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HBO - Song of Ice&Fire Series -Varsity Thread - no TV only whiners (5 Viewers)
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Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
Weddings:
they really are doing a nice job setting up tyrion as the fall guy for Jeff's death at his wedding.
mad sweeney
Footballguy
and they're continuing the extra focus on serving wine, in preparation for Joffreys wedding. Over in the other thread there's a few that expect the assault on casterly Rock coming soon.
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
I keep listening to The Rains of Castamere on youtube. It's a pretty badass song. I know the lyrics are GRRM's, but who wrote the music?
The Gator
Footballguy
mad sweeney said:
and they're continuing the extra focus on serving wine, in preparation for Joffreys wedding. Over in the other thread there's a few that expect the assault on casterly Rock coming soon.
That's why i made sure to point out that it's after the Tully/Frey wedding 
jdoggydogg
Footballguy
jdoggydogg
Footballguy
Game Of Thrones is already thinking about its end date
With each passing season bringing HBO’s Game Of Thrones ever closer to the end of George R.R. Martin’s published novels—and each passing day bringing news of Martin seemingly doing anything but writing those novels—many have wondered whether the show will be increasingly forced to pad things out to give Martin time to complete his saga. Recently, co-showrunner David Benioff addressed those concerns to Entertainment Weekly, stressing that Game Of Thrones doesn’t want to be “a show that outstays its welcome,” and rebuking the idea of dragging on for 10 seasons—even if it meant using the “broad strokes of Martin’s ending” the author has already provided to conclude the show before the final books are released.
Now producer Frank Doelger has put an even more definite, albeit still-tentative cap on the series: “I would hope that, if we all survive and if the audience stays with us, we'll probably get through to seven seasons,” Doelger said at the recent BAFTA Awards, a number that would match the promised seven books Martin says he will eventually publish… you know, whenever.
As Doelger elaborates, “[The number of series] is being discussed as we speak. The third season was the first half of book three, season four will be the second part of book three. . . George R.R. Martin has written books four and five; six and seven are pending.” And that would mean, if this plan pans out, some of the material from those later books will obviously have to be condensed in order to make it all work. (“Man, you’ll never guess who died and also who went through a complicated power struggle yesterday,” one character might say, before covering the events of an entire novel in one quick monologue over a cup of wine.) Anyway, there’s still time for producers to map all that out, and for people on the Internet to tell them how they should do it. [via Rolling Stone]
With each passing season bringing HBO’s Game Of Thrones ever closer to the end of George R.R. Martin’s published novels—and each passing day bringing news of Martin seemingly doing anything but writing those novels—many have wondered whether the show will be increasingly forced to pad things out to give Martin time to complete his saga. Recently, co-showrunner David Benioff addressed those concerns to Entertainment Weekly, stressing that Game Of Thrones doesn’t want to be “a show that outstays its welcome,” and rebuking the idea of dragging on for 10 seasons—even if it meant using the “broad strokes of Martin’s ending” the author has already provided to conclude the show before the final books are released.
Now producer Frank Doelger has put an even more definite, albeit still-tentative cap on the series: “I would hope that, if we all survive and if the audience stays with us, we'll probably get through to seven seasons,” Doelger said at the recent BAFTA Awards, a number that would match the promised seven books Martin says he will eventually publish… you know, whenever.
As Doelger elaborates, “[The number of series] is being discussed as we speak. The third season was the first half of book three, season four will be the second part of book three. . . George R.R. Martin has written books four and five; six and seven are pending.” And that would mean, if this plan pans out, some of the material from those later books will obviously have to be condensed in order to make it all work. (“Man, you’ll never guess who died and also who went through a complicated power struggle yesterday,” one character might say, before covering the events of an entire novel in one quick monologue over a cup of wine.) Anyway, there’s still time for producers to map all that out, and for people on the Internet to tell them how they should do it. [via Rolling Stone]
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
Maybe they can condense crows and dragons to one season, but there's a lot of material there.
Officer Pete Malloy
Footballguy
Somebody in the other thread complaining that they haven't killed off any major characters this season. Just you wait.
The Gator
Footballguy
yeah, this made me lool-
biggamer3 said:
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
I agree and think crows and dragons could be 3 seasons possibly (in chronological order) which would give grrm 4-5 years to finish the song.
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
Nothing is good enough for those in the other thread.
Mile High
Footballguy
yeah, this made me lool-
biggamer3 said:
Slider6
Footballguy
yeah, this made me lool-
biggamer3 said:
This is where I'm afraid the Red Wedding just isn't going to be such a huge thing like it was in the books. Rob just isn't that much of a main character. The writers or whoever seem to have dropped the ball in the previous couple of seasons in really getting the TV audience to really have any kind of emotion towards Rob.
IMO, the Purple Wedding and Tywin will both resonate much more with the TV audience because they have much more emotion invested in both characters.
IMO, the Purple Wedding and Tywin will both resonate much more with the TV audience because they have much more emotion invested in both characters.
Mile High
Footballguy
I don't think losing any of the people that where listed will be missed by the TV viewers.yeah, this made me lool-
biggamer3 said:
This is where I'm afraid the Red Wedding just isn't going to be such a huge thing like it was in the books. Rob just isn't that much of a main character. The writers or whoever seem to have dropped the ball in the previous couple of seasons in really getting the TV audience to really have any kind of emotion towards Rob.
IMO, the Purple Wedding and Tywin will both resonate much more with the TV audience because they have much more emotion invested in both characters.
IMO, the Purple Wedding and Tywin will both resonate much more with the TV audience because they have much more emotion invested in both characters.
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
I have 2 non-reader friends way ahead of the other thread learning curve. I'm trying to throw them off a bit.
EYLive
Footballguy
I don't think losing any of the people that where listed will be missed by the TV viewers.yeah, this made me lool-
biggamer3 said:
This is where I'm afraid the Red Wedding just isn't going to be such a huge thing like it was in the books. Rob just isn't that much of a main character. The writers or whoever seem to have dropped the ball in the previous couple of seasons in really getting the TV audience to really have any kind of emotion towards Rob.
IMO, the Purple Wedding and Tywin will both resonate much more with the TV audience because they have much more emotion invested in both characters.
IMO, the Purple Wedding and Tywin will both resonate much more with the TV audience because they have much more emotion invested in both characters.
EYLive
Footballguy
If they bypass most of that and focus on what the Starks are doing afterwards, it'll work.
Seeing the Hound and Arya ride to the aftermath should be good too.
Arya taking an axe to the head as the closing scene to the season would drive the non-readers nuts
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Amused to Death
Footballguy
If they bypass most of that and focus on what the Starks are doing afterwards, it'll work.
Seeing the Hound and Arya ride to the aftermath should be good too.
Arya taking an axe to the head as the closing scene to the season would drive the non-readers nutsI envision the closing visual being Grey Wind's head on Robb's body as it fades to black
The Gator
Footballguy
If they bypass most of that and focus on what the Starks are doing afterwards, it'll work.
Seeing the Hound and Arya ride to the aftermath should be good too.Arya taking an axe to the head as the closing scene to the season would drive the non-readers nutsI envision the closing visual being Grey Wind's head on Robb's body as it fades to black
shuke
Black Ice Skeptic
If they bypass most of that and focus on what the Starks are doing afterwards, it'll work.
Seeing the Hound and Arya ride to the aftermath should be good too.
Arya taking an axe to the head as the closing scene to the season would drive the non-readers nutsPeople talk about how reading the Red Wedding was shocking and difficult. For me, when I though Arya was dead, I was furious.
Maelstrom
Footballguy
If they bypass most of that and focus on what the Starks are doing afterwards, it'll work.
Seeing the Hound and Arya ride to the aftermath should be good too.
Arya taking an axe to the head as the closing scene to the season would drive the non-readers nutsI envision the closing visual being Grey Wind's head on Robb's body as it fades to blackWe were discussing this at work, and whether or not that would be going to far. I was of the opinion that a) it was in the book, and b) it's HBO - pretty sure they are going to go there. My co-worker thought it was a bit too morbid, even for HBO.
babydemon90
Footballguy
So - what gets spoiler tags in this thread? anything not in the show yet?
Amused to Death
Footballguy
If they bypass most of that and focus on what the Starks are doing afterwards, it'll work.
Seeing the Hound and Arya ride to the aftermath should be good too.
Arya taking an axe to the head as the closing scene to the season would drive the non-readers nutsI envision the closing visual being Grey Wind's head on Robb's body as it fades to blackWe were discussing this at work, and whether or not that would be going to far. I was of the opinion that a) it was in the book, and b) it's HBO - pretty sure they are going to go there. My co-worker thought it was a bit too morbid, even for HBO.
After watching all the Theon scenes, I wouldn't think that image would be crossing the line for HBO. I just finished book 3 and as I was reading this part, I thought of that as my season 3 closing and season 4 opening with
Joffrey all giddy upon hearing of Robb's death with Tywin, Cersei & Tyrion (I think those 4 were in the scene)
babydemon90
Footballguy
Anyway - seems like the Jon thread is moving much slower then the other threads. There's a lot of Jon's story in the book left to go....
babydemon90
Footballguy
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I wonder if in the show, they have Jon kill Ygritte.
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babydemon90
Footballguy
why didn't Stannis use a slug for Dany?
EYLive
Footballguy
EYLive
Footballguy
I have no idea.
babydemon90
Footballguy
ha, yea. Seems odd to blow one on Balon Greyjoy and not on Dany, assuming he's aware she is raising an army, has dragons, and wants to reclaim Westeros. I get he's not a major part of the story, and Dany is...
Of course, I have a hard time seeing a character as committed to duty and "rightful kingship" ever being involved in the revolt against the Mad King to begin with, and even then, seems like he should have been pushing for Viserys for king.
Abrantes
Footballguy
You've said this before, but I really don't see how they could dedicate 3 seasons to books 4 and 5 without making it unwatchable.
I'd also bet good money that he won't be done with the book series in 5 years (if ever), but that's just speculation.
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
The sheer length of Dragons lends itself to two seasons. It's almost 100 pages longer than Swords.
pantherclub
Footballguy
so if my math is anywhere remotely correct, we are looking at a minimum of 10 years to finish the HBO series
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
Being that book 6 is yet to be completed, I think we are looking at 9-10 seasons to A) cover all the material and B) give GRRM time to complete the writings. No way they screw him over and do seasons before he releases the books. Hopefully he is able to keep it to 7 total and if they are long, maybe HBO gives us more that 10 episodes for the final two seasons.
pantherclub
Footballguy
so a year to film a book and then break it into 2 possible 3 seasons on HBO. WIth 2 books left then we are pushing 12ish years to complete. I am not complaining just think its cool that this show will be on for a long long time
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
The issue is the kids are going to be 30.
Brady Marino
Footballguy
I snickered when Sansa told Tyrion on this week's episode that she's 14. Unless she's an Amazon woman, she ain't 14.
kneeshooter
Footballguy
Prepare to be disappointed. I know I will be, if it plays out this way:
http://www.avclub.com/articles/game-of-thrones-is-already-thinking-about-its-end,97922/
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
I think if push come to shove and the new books are not out yet and the show catches up to the end of book 5, say season 6, that HBO just moves forward with whatever GRRM has laid out. I dont think the show could go on hiatus for a year and wait for source material to come out. Hopefully GRRM puts out book 6 in 2014 and book7 in 2017.
My guess is the TV show does not end well - no chance they wrap this up in 7 seasons. And no chance Martin is finished with the books in the next 3 years.
It may be a bit macabre, but the show's best chance may be Martin dying and the show getting to wrap up on its own.
It may be a bit macabre, but the show's best chance may be Martin dying and the show getting to wrap up on its own.
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
Yea, I saw that. Would they really screw the author over like that though? It's like big spoilers for all the readers.
The Captain
Footballguy
Remind me to not open this thread again until I've finished the books. Sigh.
Thunderlips
Footballguy
If they bypass most of that and focus on what the Starks are doing afterwards, it'll work.
Seeing the Hound and Arya ride to the aftermath should be good too.
Arya taking an axe to the head as the closing scene to the season would drive the non-readers nutsI envision the closing visual being Grey Wind's head on Robb's body as it fades to blackWe were discussing this at work, and whether or not that would be going to far. I was of the opinion that a) it was in the book, and b) it's HBO - pretty sure they are going to go there. My co-worker thought it was a bit too morbid, even for HBO.
After watching all the Theon scenes, I wouldn't think that image would be crossing the line for HBO. I just finished book 3 and as I was reading this part, I thought of that as my season 3 closing and season 4 opening with
Joffrey all giddy upon hearing of Robb's death with Tywin, Cersei & Tyrion (I think those 4 were in the scene)I think they need to end this season with her leaving on the boat to Bravos. No sense splitting her Season 4 over two continents. I think EP 9 is primarily Red Wedding ending with her getting smacked...then EP 10 is her and The Hound and her leaving him. 10 will also be the reactions of everyone else; with Balon Greyjoy dying....as they need to set up the Iron Born for Season 4.That gives a Season 4 that will include: The Greyjoy's, Joff and Tywin's death, the introduction of the Martell's/Viper v. Mountain/, the Battle at The Wall and whatever they want to do for Dany and Arya.
JerseyToughGuys
Tough Guy
I think this is definitely going to happen. Season 4 will wrap up Storm of Swords and delve into the next two books I bet. There is no other way to do it. They can't ignore half the stories for a year.
JerseyToughGuys
Tough Guy
I don't think losing any of the people that where listed will be missed by the TV viewers.yeah, this made me lool-
biggamer3 said:
This is where I'm afraid the Red Wedding just isn't going to be such a huge thing like it was in the books. Rob just isn't that much of a main character. The writers or whoever seem to have dropped the ball in the previous couple of seasons in really getting the TV audience to really have any kind of emotion towards Rob.
IMO, the Purple Wedding and Tywin will both resonate much more with the TV audience because they have much more emotion invested in both characters.
IMO, the Purple Wedding and Tywin will both resonate much more with the TV audience because they have much more emotion invested in both characters.
I don't think losing any of the people that where listed will be missed by the TV viewers.yeah, this made me lool-
biggamer3 said:
This is where I'm afraid the Red Wedding just isn't going to be such a huge thing like it was in the books. Rob just isn't that much of a main character. The writers or whoever seem to have dropped the ball in the previous couple of seasons in really getting the TV audience to really have any kind of emotion towards Rob.
IMO, the Purple Wedding and Tywin will both resonate much more with the TV audience because they have much more emotion invested in both characters.
IMO, the Purple Wedding and Tywin will both resonate much more with the TV audience because they have much more emotion invested in both characters.
I think they will drive the point home through the eyes or Arya and Sansa. At that point, the family has been decimated. I think it will come across, regardless.
Gr00vus
Footballguy
If they bypass most of that and focus on what the Starks are doing afterwards, it'll work.
Seeing the Hound and Arya ride to the aftermath should be good too.
Arya taking an axe to the head as the closing scene to the season would drive the non-readers nutsPeople talk about how reading the Red Wedding was shocking and difficult. For me, when I though Arya was dead, I was furious.Me too. When I hit that I read it like three times straight just to make sure I wasn't missing anything - then I stopped reading for a few days (and I was basically pulling all night read sessions up to that point).
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