HBO - Song of Ice&Fire Series -Varsity Thread - no TV only whiners (2 Viewers)

[Arsenal of Doom]

Wonder how they are going to reintroduce the whole Tysha aspect of Tyrion's character. As it stands, it was a quick snippet in season 1 that no viewer is really going to remember. That issue is at the very core of the character and coming events.

The big reveal in the books happens between Tyrion and Jamie right before Tyrion escapes. I imagine they will keep that scene largely intact, considering how important it is for both characters.

 

[Brady Marino]

we are watching a series that has had scenes of beheadings, child murder, castration, and the stabbing of a pregnant woman in her stomach, and this is the scene that people get their panties in a wad about?

yea, you still don't get it

ok

I'm with karma here. Not the worse thing vividly depicted on the show, by a long way.

Ripping an infant from the arms of its mother and shoving a dagger through it does come to mind. Yet another liberal sacred cow I suppose.

Dammit I erased that from my mind. The only moment in the series I can't bear to watch.

 

[Brady Marino]

Wonder how they are going to reintroduce the whole Tysha aspect of Tyrion's character. As it stands, it was a quick snippet in season 1 that no viewer is really going to remember. That issue is at the very core of the character and coming events.

Not sure Tyrion has much else to do while in captivity besides reflect. Flashback scenes?

 

[JerseyToughGuys]

Wonder how they are going to reintroduce the whole Tysha aspect of Tyrion's character. As it stands, it was a quick snippet in season 1 that no viewer is really going to remember. That issue is at the very core of the character and coming events.

The big reveal in the books happens between Tyrion and Jamie right before Tyrion escapes. I imagine they will keep that scene largely intact, considering how important it is for both characters.

right. hopefully the audience remembers the story.

 

[Ramsay Hunt Experience]

we are watching a series that has had scenes of beheadings, child murder, castration, and the stabbing of a pregnant woman in her stomach, and this is the scene that people get their panties in a wad about?

yea, you still don't get it

ok

I'm with karma here. Not the worse thing vividly depicted on the show, by a long way.

Ripping an infant from the arms of its mother and shoving a dagger through it does come to mind. Yet another liberal sacred cow I suppose.

I don't think the complaints are so much "OMG, I can't believe Game of Thrones depicted a rape!" I don't think anyone would have batted an eyelash if it depicted Ramsey Snow raping someone.

The complaints are happening, IMO, because its out of character with the way the books and the show have attempted to humanize Jaime.

 

[Mister Martie]

I think Tyrion mentioned his previous wife to his father once also in season 3. But I agree, they are going to have to revisit that story somehow for the viewers.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

Wonder how they are going to reintroduce the whole Tysha aspect of Tyrion's character. As it stands, it was a quick snippet in season 1 that no viewer is really going to remember. That issue is at the very core of the character and coming events.

The big reveal in the books happens between Tyrion and Jamie right before Tyrion escapes. I imagine they will keep that scene largely intact, considering how important it is for both characters.

right. hopefully the audience remembers the story.

They could always begin with a flashback scene and actually depict Tyrion with his wife, Jaimee's involvement, and Tywin's handling of the situation. Link it to the present as something Tyrion is remembering while sitting in the black cells. It's not like he has much else to do but reminisce.

ETA: plus I'm sure this director would love to film a gangbang rape.

 

[EYLive]

No chain in the Blackwater!

That, and when Dany's dragons were stolen. <_<

 

[Clifford]

we are watching a series that has had scenes of beheadings, child murder, castration, and the stabbing of a pregnant woman in her stomach, and this is the scene that people get their panties in a wad about?

yea, you still don't get it

ok

I'm with karma here. Not the worse thing vividly depicted on the show, by a long way.

Ripping an infant from the arms of its mother and shoving a dagger through it does come to mind. Yet another liberal sacred cow I suppose.

I don't think the complaints are so much "OMG, I can't believe Game of Thrones depicted a rape!" I don't think anyone would have batted an eyelash if it depicted Ramsey Snow raping someone.

The complaints are happening, IMO, because its out of character with the way the books and the show have attempted to humanize Jaime.

I thought it was because the director said it wasn't rape. That's why salon jumped his nuts.

 

[Clifford]

No chain in the Blackwater!

That, and when Dany's dragons were stolen. <_<

 

[Brady Marino]

No chain in the Blackwater!

That, and when Dany's dragons were stolen. <_<

:tips40forDoreah:

 

[Crazy Canuck]

we are watching a series that has had scenes of beheadings, child murder, castration, and the stabbing of a pregnant woman in her stomach, and this is the scene that people get their panties in a wad about?

yea, you still don't get it

ok

I'm with karma here. Not the worse thing vividly depicted on the show, by a long way.

Ripping an infant from the arms of its mother and shoving a dagger through it does come to mind. Yet another liberal sacred cow I suppose.

I don't think the complaints are so much "OMG, I can't believe Game of Thrones depicted a rape!" I don't think anyone would have batted an eyelash if it depicted Ramsey Snow raping someone.

The complaints are happening, IMO, because its out of character with the way the books and the show have attempted to humanize Jaime.

I thought it was because the director said it wasn't rape. That's why salon jumped his nuts.

That was pretty dumb of him, yea (and it wasn't just salon.com that went crazy, pretty much everyone with half a brain did), but that isn't why we're taking umbrage here.

 

[KarmaPolice]

we are watching a series that has had scenes of beheadings, child murder, castration, and the stabbing of a pregnant woman in her stomach, and this is the scene that people get their panties in a wad about?

yea, you still don't get it

ok

I'm with karma here. Not the worse thing vividly depicted on the show, by a long way.

Ripping an infant from the arms of its mother and shoving a dagger through it does come to mind. Yet another liberal sacred cow I suppose.

I don't think the complaints are so much "OMG, I can't believe Game of Thrones depicted a rape!" I don't think anyone would have batted an eyelash if it depicted Ramsey Snow raping someone.

The complaints are happening, IMO, because its out of character with the way the books and the show have attempted to humanize Jaime.

I thought it was because the director said it wasn't rape. That's why salon jumped his nuts.

That was pretty dumb of him, yea (and it wasn't just salon.com that went crazy, pretty much everyone with half a brain did), but that isn't why we're taking umbrage here.

so if none of the makers of the show think it showed what we think it did or intended it to be that, I think jamies arc is still going to go on as we think it should. nothing to get fired up or worried about- they just slightly screwed up one scene of a great show.and lol at "everyone with half a brain".

 

[(HULK)]

Wonder how they are going to reintroduce the whole Tysha aspect of Tyrion's character. As it stands, it was a quick snippet in season 1 that no viewer is really going to remember. That issue is at the very core of the character and coming events.

The big reveal in the books happens between Tyrion and Jamie right before Tyrion escapes. I imagine they will keep that scene largely intact, considering how important it is for both characters.

right. hopefully the audience remembers the story.

They could always begin with a flashback scene and actually depict Tyrion with his wife, Jaimee's involvement, and Tywin's handling of the situation. Link it to the present as something Tyrion is remembering while sitting in the black cells. It's not like he has much else to do but reminisce.

ETA: plus I'm sure this director would love to film a gangbang rape.

The director would say it wasn't a rape... Tyrion's wife was clearly paid a silver coin for each man (and a gold dragon for each Lannister).

 

[Sabertooth]

Martin would direct that seen himself.

 

[Kraft...]

Martin would direct that seen himself.

And there would be "seed" everywhere

 

[CBusAlex]

They could always begin with a flashback scene and actually depict Tyrion with his wife, Jaimee's involvement, and Tywin's handling of the situation. Link it to the present as something Tyrion is remembering while sitting in the black cells. It's not like he has much else to do but reminisce.

I don't think they've done a single flashback scene in 3+ seasons. Not really their style.

 

[bonesman]

They could always begin with a flashback scene and actually depict Tyrion with his wife, Jaimee's involvement, and Tywin's handling of the situation. Link it to the present as something Tyrion is remembering while sitting in the black cells. It's not like he has much else to do but reminisce.

I don't think they've done a single flashback scene in 3+ seasons. Not really their style.

Was just about to say this. The closest they've gotten is visions by Bran when he's warging out and seeing the past. Wouldn't really consider that a flashback though.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

They could always begin with a flashback scene and actually depict Tyrion with his wife, Jaimee's involvement, and Tywin's handling of the situation. Link it to the present as something Tyrion is remembering while sitting in the black cells. It's not like he has much else to do but reminisce.

I don't think they've done a single flashback scene in 3+ seasons. Not really their style.

Was just about to say this. The closest they've gotten is visions by Bran when he's warging out and seeing the past. Wouldn't really consider that a flashback though.

Oh I know it's wishful thinking. I was just musing.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

So the books don't exist in the show this week either I guess.

 

[Eviloutsider]

Very dramatic changes north of the wall, should be interesting.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

So the books don't exist in the show this week either I guess.

I like It the Locke thing is an interesting twist, need more of the Others too

 

[Frostillicus]

I like it. The show's so well done it'll be nice to have a few things happen that I don't already know about. Probably.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

So the books don't exist in the show this week either I guess.

I was waiting until the books and series were over to watch, but it sounds more and more like they may be tugging on threads that end up unwinding big chunks of the story.

Small angles over long distances kind of thing.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

the other that touches the baby had a white darth maul feel to him, need to see it again

 

[Abrantes]

SER POUNCE DEBUT~

 

[Clifford]

What the #### was that?

I guess they are just re-writing the whole series now?

 

[Bigboy10182000]

Who is Lock again? Have I just had a few too many?

 

[Kraft...]

Who is Lock again? Have I just had a few too many?

The guy that cut of Jamie's hand, a Bolton cronie

 

[Abrantes]

What the #### was that?

I guess they are just re-writing the whole series now?

What, the Bran stuff? You'd rather have him doing crochet for a full season while everyone else catches up to his arc?

 

[Clifford]

Brans story line seemed pretty important to the overall arc of the series. They have completely changed that. Really hard to see how they bring things back from here.

 

[Premier]

Will be great if they change a lot, throwing book reader snobs and non-book readers together.

 

[Abrantes]

Brans story line seemed pretty important to the overall arc of the series. They have completely changed that. Really hard to see how they bring things back from here.

How is it really hard to see how they bring it back? Bran & crew free themselves from Craster's and get back on their way to find the three-eyed crow. What has been irrevocably changed to keep that from happening? His story arc was way ahead of everyone else's.

One of the series' better episodes. Great mix of book material and new scenes. The glimpse at the inner workings of the Others at the end was cool and wholly unexpected, and something that wouldn't be possible in the books.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

Brans story line seemed pretty important to the overall arc of the series. They have completely changed that. Really hard to see how they bring things back from here.

Really? Jon n his band free them from the crasters mutiny clan, then bran keeps going north

 

[Clifford]

Don't like this at all.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

Who is Lock again? Have I just had a few too many?

The guy that cut of Jamie's hand, a Bolton cronie

Thanks! He's not in the books, right?

 

[Bigboy10182000]

Brans story line seemed pretty important to the overall arc of the series. They have completely changed that. Really hard to see how they bring things back from here.

How is it really hard to see how they bring it back? Bran & crew free themselves from Craster's and get back on their way to find the three-eyed crow. What has been irrevocably changed to keep that from happening? His story arc was way ahead of everyone else's.One of the series' better episodes. Great mix of book material and new scenes. The glimpse at the inner workings of the Others at the end was cool and wholly unexpected, and something that wouldn't be possible in the books.

 

[munga30]

Martin has given up the ghost. Tonight was the admission that the books will never be finished. Make your time.

 

[Clifford]

Yep. That was my first thought. They know he can't finish it and they are taking over from here.

 

[shuke]

Who is Lock again? Have I just had a few too many?

The guy that cut of Jamie's hand, a Bolton cronie

Thanks! He's not in the books, right?

Isn't that Vargo Hoat?

 

[sn0mm1s]

I don't mind the North of the Wall stuff changing in regards to us getting glimpses of The Others - that needs to be done for the show. I don't particularly like the arc changes that require everyone to meet at Craster's for a made up purpose - nor do I need to hear some random dude's fighting credentials so when Jon kills him we think Jon is a decent fighter (or Mance or whomever).

King's Landing changes are a wash. I don't think they harm the book story in any way.

The *huge* change - that I think is horrible - is Ser Jorah wasn't called out by Ser Barristan before the sacking of Meereen. In the books, Daenerys send Ser Barristan and Jorah into the sewers as a punishment - followed by Jorah's exile. Maybe that will still come into play but at this point I have no idea what they are doing with some of the character arcs. All I know is that Ygritte better damn die.

 

[sn0mm1s]

Who is Lock again? Have I just had a few too many?

The guy that cut of Jamie's hand, a Bolton cronie

Thanks! He's not in the books, right?

Isn't that Vargo Hoat?

Hoat leads the Brave Companions in the books - but I don't think he did the actual cutting. IIRC, it was done with an Arakh so it was probably the Dothraki guy in the group.

 

[Frostillicus]

Will be great if they change a lot, throwing book reader snobs and non-book readers together.

Totally agree. I've been watching and enjoying it because it's really well done, but I know everything that's going to happen. I don't have a problem with a few things that throw me off. I had to text my brother tonight to make sure i wasn't missing something, then we debated about where we thought it was going to go. Doesn't happen most weeks. Nice change.

 

[Mario Kart]

I know we don't see everyone each episode but is Arya's story slow or very slow for the rest of the season?

And, I think George will finish things. He just has to dot his "I's" and cross his "t's".

 

[Kraft...]

Who is Lock again? Have I just had a few too many?

The guy that cut of Jamie's hand, a Bolton cronie

Thanks! He's not in the books, right?

Yup, Not in the books. Seems like a vehicle for a combo of characters for the show.

 

[Mister Martie]

Brans story line seemed pretty important to the overall arc of the series. They have completely changed that. Really hard to see how they bring things back from here.

How is it really hard to see how they bring it back? Bran & crew free themselves from Craster's and get back on their way to find the three-eyed crow. What has been irrevocably changed to keep that from happening? His story arc was way ahead of everyone else's.One of the series' better episodes. Great mix of book material and new scenes. The glimpse at the inner workings of the Others at the end was cool and wholly unexpected, and something that wouldn't be possible in the books.

It was a great episode. I don't mind the changes for the most part. We knew it was going to happen. Somethings that work well in print wouldn't have worked as well on the screen.

 

[Kraft...]

I don't mind the North of the Wall stuff changing in regards to us getting glimpses of The Others - that needs to be done for the show. I don't particularly like the arc changes that require everyone to meet at Craster's for a made up purpose - nor do I need to hear some random dude's fighting credentials so when Jon kills him we think Jon is a decent fighter (or Mance or whomever).

King's Landing changes are a wash. I don't think they harm the book story in any way.

The *huge* change - that I think is horrible - is Ser Jorah wasn't called out by Ser Barristan before the sacking of Meereen. In the books, Daenerys send Ser Barristan and Jorah into the sewers as a punishment - followed by Jorah's exile. Maybe that will still come into play but at this point I have no idea what they are doing with some of the character arcs. All I know is that Ygritte better damn die.

The random dude leading the traitors was a little off putting. I thought I forgot him or something, nope just a random

 

[Mister Martie]

They'll do Jorah's exile at the end of the season, probably. They already set the stage for it in season 1. I don't think it really matters when they do it as long as it happens.

 

[Good Posting Judge]

Man that baby must have been cold. Wrap that kid up, dude (?).

 

[renesauz]

Interesting changes. Some I liked and some I didn't, but nothing that seemed like it would adversely affect the general story arc.

Good episode overall.