HBO - Song of Ice&Fire Series -Varsity Thread - no TV only whiners (1 Viewer)

[JerseyToughGuys]

Could they have made the sand snakes and dorne any worse?

It's the director IMO. Just awful, awkward scenes.

I think you could have taken the same general content and shot it in a completely different way to make it at least a little more palatable.

Jamie and Bronn "in disguise" was just silly.

 

[CletiusMaximus]

The TV writers have botched several storylines imo - not fatally so yet, but several bad decisions. Margery imprisoned for perjury based on the squire's testimony? With the king sitting there almost a teenager and doing nothing? The whole Dorne storyline has been badly ruined, and I still don't understand the need to have Stansa go to Winterfell and marry Ramsay.

 

[rascal]

Felt like I was suddenly watching Xena.

 

[JerseyToughGuys]

The TV writers have botched several storylines imo - not fatally so yet, but several bad decisions. Margery imprisoned for perjury based on the squire's testimony? With the king sitting there almost a teenager and doing nothing? The whole Dorne storyline has been badly ruined, and I still don't understand the need to have Stansa go to Winterfell and marry Ramsay.

They wasted an opportunity on that story line. But, I bet the TV only folks would piss and moan about things moving too slowly if they let Cersei's plotting play all the way out.

Are they going to flip the switch on Cersei via Lancel? They almost have to at this point since they are giving him so much face time.

 

[CletiusMaximus]

The TV writers have botched several storylines imo - not fatally so yet, but several bad decisions. Margery imprisoned for perjury based on the squire's testimony? With the king sitting there almost a teenager and doing nothing? The whole Dorne storyline has been badly ruined, and I still don't understand the need to have Stansa go to Winterfell and marry Ramsay.

They wasted an opportunity on that story line. But, I bet the TV only folks would piss and moan about things moving too slowly if they let Cersei's plotting play all the way out.

Are they going to flip the switch on Cersei via Lancel? They almost have to at this point since they are giving him so much face time.

One of the main leaks pre-season was that Cersei does the naked walk.

 

[Sinn Fein]

The TV writers have botched several storylines imo - not fatally so yet, but several bad decisions. Margery imprisoned for perjury based on the squire's testimony? With the king sitting there almost a teenager and doing nothing? The whole Dorne storyline has been badly ruined, and I still don't understand the need to have Stansa go to Winterfell and marry Ramsay.

remind me again where are Sansa and Littlefinger in the books? Maybe the books will go on to have The Knights from the Vale re-take Winterfell after Stannis attacks? If that happens, Sansa is the heir to Winterfell?

I do wonder if Theon will end up telling Sansa the truth about her brothers - he seems a lot more composed than I recall in the books.

 

[Sinn Fein]

The TV writers have botched several storylines imo - not fatally so yet, but several bad decisions. Margery imprisoned for perjury based on the squire's testimony? With the king sitting there almost a teenager and doing nothing? The whole Dorne storyline has been badly ruined, and I still don't understand the need to have Stansa go to Winterfell and marry Ramsay.

They wasted an opportunity on that story line. But, I bet the TV only folks would piss and moan about things moving too slowly if they let Cersei's plotting play all the way out.

Are they going to flip the switch on Cersei via Lancel? They almost have to at this point since they are giving him so much face time.

Cersei is certainly going down (aside from the article I read detailing her walk of shame), the show foreshadowed it with the Septon having to do his walk of shame early on.

 

[JerseyToughGuys]

Is John going to be betrayed at Hardhome instead of at the Wall?

That would throw a pretty huge wrench in the "Maybe Melisandre saves him!~@" works. Unless she accompanies him on the expedition.

 

[JerseyToughGuys]

The TV writers have botched several storylines imo - not fatally so yet, but several bad decisions. Margery imprisoned for perjury based on the squire's testimony? With the king sitting there almost a teenager and doing nothing? The whole Dorne storyline has been badly ruined, and I still don't understand the need to have Stansa go to Winterfell and marry Ramsay.

They wasted an opportunity on that story line. But, I bet the TV only folks would piss and moan about things moving too slowly if they let Cersei's plotting play all the way out.

Are they going to flip the switch on Cersei via Lancel? They almost have to at this point since they are giving him so much face time.

Cersei is certainly going down (aside from the article I read detailing her walk of shame), the show foreshadowed it with the Septon having to do his walk of shame early on.

Oh, I know. But how? The script has changed. Is Lancel going to dime her out? (if they go that route, it would be a bit silly since he already knows she's a "sinner").

 

[Sinn Fein]

The TV writers have botched several storylines imo - not fatally so yet, but several bad decisions. Margery imprisoned for perjury based on the squire's testimony? With the king sitting there almost a teenager and doing nothing? The whole Dorne storyline has been badly ruined, and I still don't understand the need to have Stansa go to Winterfell and marry Ramsay.

They wasted an opportunity on that story line. But, I bet the TV only folks would piss and moan about things moving too slowly if they let Cersei's plotting play all the way out.

Are they going to flip the switch on Cersei via Lancel? They almost have to at this point since they are giving him so much face time.

Cersei is certainly going down (aside from the article I read detailing her walk of shame), the show foreshadowed it with the Septon having to do his walk of shame early on.

Oh, I know. But how? The script has changed. Is Lancel going to dime her out? (if they go that route, it would be a bit silly since he already knows she's a "sinner").

Queen of Thorns must figure into it somehow - can't see them bring her back just for last nights episode. Maybe she levels the incest charge, Lancel then decides he must come clean, and she cops a plea to Lancel, but not the incest.

 

[Gr00vus]

Starting to look like the show writers can't do any better with post book 3 stuff than Martin did. This season's been pretty weak.

 

[Sabertooth]

The TV writers have botched several storylines imo - not fatally so yet, but several bad decisions. Margery imprisoned for perjury based on the squire's testimony? With the king sitting there almost a teenager and doing nothing? The whole Dorne storyline has been badly ruined, and I still don't understand the need to have Stansa go to Winterfell and marry Ramsay.

I agree. The king has tasted the flesh. He's be like "bullllll####"

 

[JerseyToughGuys]

The TV writers have botched several storylines imo - not fatally so yet, but several bad decisions. Margery imprisoned for perjury based on the squire's testimony? With the king sitting there almost a teenager and doing nothing? The whole Dorne storyline has been badly ruined, and I still don't understand the need to have Stansa go to Winterfell and marry Ramsay.

They wasted an opportunity on that story line. But, I bet the TV only folks would piss and moan about things moving too slowly if they let Cersei's plotting play all the way out.

Are they going to flip the switch on Cersei via Lancel? They almost have to at this point since they are giving him so much face time.

Cersei is certainly going down (aside from the article I read detailing her walk of shame), the show foreshadowed it with the Septon having to do his walk of shame early on.

Oh, I know. But how? The script has changed. Is Lancel going to dime her out? (if they go that route, it would be a bit silly since he already knows she's a "sinner").

Queen of Thorns must figure into it somehow - can't see them bring her back just for last nights episode. Maybe she levels the incest charge, Lancel then decides he must come clean, and she cops a plea to Lancel, but not the incest.

Maybe Kevan reappears / gets involved too.

 

[sn0mm1s]

Starting to look like the show writers can't do any better with post book 3 stuff than Martin did. This season's been pretty weak.

There was quite a bit of good stuff in those books (though after ASOS almost anything would be a bit of a let down). I would've preferred they kept the Quentyn storyline instead of the Sand Snakes considering the Sand Snakes weren't anything more than a footnote in the books. A much better way to play this out would be for Arianne (or Ellaria) want to kill Myrcella for revenge. Doran reveals the old Targ + Martell alliance/wedding pact early in the season to prove to Arianne/Ellaria that he isn't weak and to be patient. The Quentyn story could play out similarly in the books, but when the news reaches Dorne that Quentyn was killed by the dragons, Myrcella and any would be rescuers (if they kept to that plot - Jaime and Bronn in the Riverlands trying to be Tywin is much better than him being in Dorne) get killed. You get a season of many people rooting for Quentyn, him getting killed, and a payoff of possibly a combination of Jaime, Myrcella, or Bronn getting killed.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

They rushed the faith militant part too. Why not go into the crown owing the church money and the debt being forgiven as part of the deal. It would make more sense. Also, but for the Margery stuff earlier in the season, they are not showing Cersei drunk and crazy enough.

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

They rushed the faith militant part too. Why not go into the crown owing the church money and the debt being forgiven as part of the deal. It would make more sense. Also, but for the Margery stuff earlier in the season, they are not showing Cersei drunk and crazy enough.

Agreed.

 

[sn0mm1s]

They rushed the faith militant part too. Why not go into the crown owing the church money and the debt being forgiven as part of the deal. It would make more sense. Also, but for the Margery stuff earlier in the season, they are not showing Cersei drunk and crazy enough.

They should've had the High Septon approach Margaery since she is the queen. Her refuse repayment immediately and refuse the request to rearm the faith - with Margaery saying only an idiot would allow the rearming and that when her father got back from Essos the faith would get paid with Tyrell gold. The Septon then approaches Cersei who thinks it is a great deal to rearm the faith to absolve the debt. That explains both why it is bad and that it is Cersei being stupid. Then I would've had Lancel play the part of the Osney Kettleblack. Cersei sleeps with Lancel, hatches the same plot (more or less) as the books, Lancel "confesses", gets tortured admits to banging both Cersei and Margaery, everyone is arrested and in the same position without involving Loras and the Dorne shaped birthmark.

 

[JerseyToughGuys]

oooof, forgot about the dumb birthmark thing. so bad.

 

[Rick James]

AFFC and ADWD were not as concise as ASOS, but damn they were much better than the interpretation we're seeing. The show-runners are making weird decisions left and right, most notably the decision to devote precious screen time to the Sand Snakes-- a group that were nothing more than a footnote in AFFC. This decision wouldn't be so bad if the dialogue and plot were up to par, but holy #### every scene plays out like some low-rate fan fiction.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

I loved xena

 

[Uruk-Hai]

Welp, I'm not gonna say they've jumped the shark as a lot of fan board posters are. I'll wait & see how it all plays out. But the showrunners are out on a limb of their own making now. Martin's steadily distancing himself on his blog. The feminist-leaning sites that follow the show have gone ape #### over last night's wedding, even moreso than the Jamie/Cersei scene from last year. I think Westeros.com might actually implode from indignant book readers.

I don't have much new to add that hasn't already been said here, but #### it.

They've done an awful job with Dorne. It's not that they changed it so much from the books for me, it's that - for maybe the first time in my viewing experience with this show - it's so damned cheesy. The Snakes, especially Obara, are cartoons.

I think Bronn may be toast. Jaime might be, too. All I could think of when they showed Bronn bleeding was Duke in Rocky IV: "He's cut!".....by a daughter of spear-poisoning Red Viper.

 

[Gr00vus]

I guess Sansa's stitching skills aren't quite top shelf yet.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

All the ##### about rape and i dont recall the out rage of khal drogo and dany in season 1

 

[John Bender]

For all the talk about the show moving ahead of the books...they aren't doing so in a very effective way.

There's a lot of stuff being "set up" is the positive I'm hearing. A sure sign that nothing interesting is really happening.

I think we're going to have this weird meandering season that doesn't really move too far ahead of the books with anything major other than a few nuggets that don't seem all that consequential to the game of thrones itself.

We're still getting nothing from Bran (as we knew we would not), Arya, even Cersei, Jon/The Wall, Dany, others I'm sure I'm forgetting.

Selmy death notwithstanding, I think what's going to happen is, we're going to get some situations that seem exciting for an episode or two but basically resolve themselves out so that Martin can move the story forward with his next book.

The above make any sense to anyone else? Or have I had way too much cold medicine?

 

[Gr00vus]

For all the talk about the show moving ahead of the books...they aren't doing so in a very effective way.

There's a lot of stuff being "set up" is the positive I'm hearing. A sure sign that nothing interesting is really happening.

I think we're going to have this weird meandering season that doesn't really move too far ahead of the books with anything major other than a few nuggets that don't seem all that consequential to the game of thrones itself.

We're still getting nothing from Bran (as we knew we would not), Arya, even Cersei, Jon/The Wall, Dany, others I'm sure I'm forgetting.

Selmy death notwithstanding, I think what's going to happen is, we're going to get some situations that seem exciting for an episode or two but basically resolve themselves out so that Martin can move the story forward with his next book.

The above make any sense to anyone else? Or have I had way too much cold medicine?

Seems right to me. I was just thinking myself there haven't been many memorable moments this season so far. Selmy getting killed is about it.

 

[shuke]

Could they have made the sand snakes and dorne any worse?

The whole scene was like something out of a horrible 80's TV show.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

Could they have made the sand snakes and dorne any worse?

The whole scene was like something out of a horrible 80's TV show.

There's weird edits during that fight, right? Plus the girls just seem like horrible actors.

 

[Thunderlips]

Welp, I'm not gonna say they've jumped the shark as a lot of fan board posters are. I'll wait & see how it all plays out. But the showrunners are out on a limb of their own making now. Martin's steadily distancing himself on his blog. The feminist-leaning sites that follow the show have gone ape #### over last night's wedding, even moreso than the Jamie/Cersei scene from last year. I think Westeros.com might actually implode from indignant book readers.

I don't have much new to add that hasn't already been said here, but #### it.

They've done an awful job with Dorne. It's not that they changed it so much from the books for me, it's that - for maybe the first time in my viewing experience with this show - it's so damned cheesy. The Snakes, especially Obara, are cartoons.

I think Bronn may be toast. Jaime might be, too. All I could think of when they showed Bronn bleeding was Duke in Rocky IV: "He's cut!".....by a daughter of spear-poisoning Red Viper.

To be fair to the show runners....it's not like the book gave them a lot to work with in regards to Dorne. To be honest, what they came up with (Jamie going) is better than what the book presented.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

so seeing the Arya story reminds me, what do we think her end game is? I really don't see how she ties in.

 

[sn0mm1s]

Welp, I'm not gonna say they've jumped the shark as a lot of fan board posters are. I'll wait & see how it all plays out. But the showrunners are out on a limb of their own making now. Martin's steadily distancing himself on his blog. The feminist-leaning sites that follow the show have gone ape #### over last night's wedding, even moreso than the Jamie/Cersei scene from last year. I think Westeros.com might actually implode from indignant book readers.

I don't have much new to add that hasn't already been said here, but #### it.

They've done an awful job with Dorne. It's not that they changed it so much from the books for me, it's that - for maybe the first time in my viewing experience with this show - it's so damned cheesy. The Snakes, especially Obara, are cartoons.

I think Bronn may be toast. Jaime might be, too. All I could think of when they showed Bronn bleeding was Duke in Rocky IV: "He's cut!".....by a daughter of spear-poisoning Red Viper.

To be fair to the show runners....it's not like the book gave them a lot to work with in regards to Dorne. To be honest, what they came up with (Jamie going) is better than what the book presented.

I disagree, Quentyn + Jaime in Riverlands is far better than Sand Snakes in Dorne.

 

[SeveredHorseHeads]

I've been a fan of the changes the show has made up until this season. But they have botched it this season. The Dorne stuff is brutal.

 

[JerseyToughGuys]

One of my favorite chapters in the book is where Jamie is dealing with the Blackfish at Riverrun (and dealing with his new role in general, as his character evolved and changed in the wake of the Tyrion - Twyin plot point).

I don't get the same flavor watching him banter with Bronn, but it may still come.

 

[Uruk-Hai]

Welp, I'm not gonna say they've jumped the shark as a lot of fan board posters are. I'll wait & see how it all plays out. But the showrunners are out on a limb of their own making now. Martin's steadily distancing himself on his blog. The feminist-leaning sites that follow the show have gone ape #### over last night's wedding, even moreso than the Jamie/Cersei scene from last year. I think Westeros.com might actually implode from indignant book readers.

I don't have much new to add that hasn't already been said here, but #### it.

They've done an awful job with Dorne. It's not that they changed it so much from the books for me, it's that - for maybe the first time in my viewing experience with this show - it's so damned cheesy. The Snakes, especially Obara, are cartoons.

I think Bronn may be toast. Jaime might be, too. All I could think of when they showed Bronn bleeding was Duke in Rocky IV: "He's cut!".....by a daughter of spear-poisoning Red Viper.

To be fair to the show runners....it's not like the book gave them a lot to work with in regards to Dorne. To be honest, what they came up with (Jamie going) is better than what the book presented.

I'll agree in that the Sand Snakes in the books were pretty comic book-y: one character trait/one weapon/one look per woman.

 

[Sabertooth]

All the ##### about rape and i dont recall the out rage of khal drogo and dany in season 1

Sansa wasn't raped.

 

[Sabertooth]

so seeing the Arya story reminds me, what do we think her end game is? I really don't see how she ties in.

She kills Dany, thrusting Westeros back into civil war. Just my guess.

 

[Gr00vus]

so seeing the Arya story reminds me, what do we think her end game is? I really don't see how she ties in.

She kills Dany, thrusting Westeros back into civil war. Just my guess.

She kills Jon, with Needle. That would be the ultimate Martin.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

One of my favorite chapters in the book is where Jamie is dealing with the Blackfish at Riverrun (and dealing with his new role in general, as his character evolved and changed in the wake of the Tyrion - Twyin plot point).

I don't get the same flavor watching him banter with Bronn, but it may still come.

Totally agree. They are really missing out on Jaime's development.

If anything, this season reiterates that no matter what they spoil, we all need to read the books still.

I do think Sansa in winterfell and eliminating lady stone heart are good choices though. Other than that, not so much.

 

[KarmaPolice]

All the ##### about rape and i dont recall the out rage of khal drogo and dany in season 1

Sansa wasn't raped.

How do you figure that?

 

[parrot]

So, cut a guy's #### off and mail it to his dad in a box = <crickets>

But a rape scene where nothing is really shown = "THEY'VE GONE TOO FAR!"

 

[Thunderlips]

One of my favorite chapters in the book is where Jamie is dealing with the Blackfish at Riverrun (and dealing with his new role in general, as his character evolved and changed in the wake of the Tyrion - Twyin plot point).

I don't get the same flavor watching him banter with Bronn, but it may still come.

Totally agree. They are really missing out on Jaime's development.

If anything, this season reiterates that no matter what they spoil, we all need to read the books still.

I do think Sansa in winterfell and eliminating lady stone heart are good choices though. Other than that, not so much.

The only thing I don't like about losing Stoneheart is that she seemed to be the instrument of vengenance against the Frey's......and by the way the show's shaping up.....that might not happen.

Although it wouldn't surprise me if Arya ends up doing it.

 

[JerseyToughGuys]

One of my favorite chapters in the book is where Jamie is dealing with the Blackfish at Riverrun (and dealing with his new role in general, as his character evolved and changed in the wake of the Tyrion - Twyin plot point).

I don't get the same flavor watching him banter with Bronn, but it may still come.

Totally agree. They are really missing out on Jaime's development.

If anything, this season reiterates that no matter what they spoil, we all need to read the books still.

I do think Sansa in winterfell and eliminating lady stone heart are good choices though. Other than that, not so much.

The only thing I don't like about losing Stoneheart is that she seemed to be the instrument of vengenance against the Frey's......and by the way the show's shaping up.....that might not happen.

Although it wouldn't surprise me if Arya ends up doing it.

Arya could be a good instrument of Vengenance.

Wasn't there speculation a faceless man took out Balon Greyjoy too?

 

[sn0mm1s]

One of my favorite chapters in the book is where Jamie is dealing with the Blackfish at Riverrun (and dealing with his new role in general, as his character evolved and changed in the wake of the Tyrion - Twyin plot point).

I don't get the same flavor watching him banter with Bronn, but it may still come.

Totally agree. They are really missing out on Jaime's development.

If anything, this season reiterates that no matter what they spoil, we all need to read the books still.

I do think Sansa in winterfell and eliminating lady stone heart are good choices though. Other than that, not so much.

The only thing I don't like about losing Stoneheart is that she seemed to be the instrument of vengenance against the Frey's......and by the way the show's shaping up.....that might not happen.

Although it wouldn't surprise me if Arya ends up doing it.

Arya could be a good instrument of Vengenance.

Wasn't there speculation a faceless man took out Balon Greyjoy too?

Yes - old dwarf lady on the hill with visions saw and told the Lord Beric's crew.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

Also, where the hell is Ghost?

 

[Officer Pete Malloy]

All the ##### about rape and i dont recall the out rage of khal drogo and dany in season 1

Sansa wasn't raped.

How do you figure that?

Did you see how that little slut was dressed?

 

[Tusken Raider]

One of my favorite chapters in the book is where Jamie is dealing with the Blackfish at Riverrun (and dealing with his new role in general, as his character evolved and changed in the wake of the Tyrion - Twyin plot point).

I don't get the same flavor watching him banter with Bronn, but it may still come.

Totally agree. They are really missing out on Jaime's development.

If anything, this season reiterates that no matter what they spoil, we all need to read the books still.

I do think Sansa in winterfell and eliminating lady stone heart are good choices though. Other than that, not so much.

The only thing I don't like about losing Stoneheart is that she seemed to be the instrument of vengenance against the Frey's......and by the way the show's shaping up.....that might not happen.

Although it wouldn't surprise me if Arya ends up doing it.

Could be. They haven't had any doings in the Riverlands since the Red Wedding, and I hope we see the Blackfish surface again.

But we don't know Martin's endgame for Stoneheart & Brienne yet. Last we saw in ADWD, she was about to execute Brienne.

I bet we see Ramsey/Reek/Miranda fed to the kennel dogs at some point this season.

 

[babydemon90]

Would not surprise me if Littlefinger ends up on the iron throne when it's all said and done.

 

[Sinn Fein]

Stannis sacks Winterfell, Brienne kills Stannis (avenging Renly) and takes Sansa.

 

[Sabertooth]

All the ##### about rape and i dont recall the out rage of khal drogo and dany in season 1

Sansa wasn't raped.

How do you figure that?

How do you figure she was? She married Ramsay and he didn't threaten her or anything. He was incredible crude and even brutal but I don't think she resisted or anything. She just did what she had to do right? She didn't say anything at all. That was kind of the point of the scene IMO. Innocence lost.

 

[Sweet J]

All the ##### about rape and i dont recall the out rage of khal drogo and dany in season 1

Sansa wasn't raped.

How do you figure that?

How do you figure she was? She married Ramsay and he didn't threaten her or anything. He was incredible crude and even brutal but I don't think she resisted or anything. She just did what she had to do right? She didn't say anything at all. That was kind of the point of the scene IMO. Innocence lost.

Interesting take. I'd like to see someone post this on Facebook (not it) just to see the hounds of war let loose.

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

All the ##### about rape and i dont recall the out rage of khal drogo and dany in season 1

Sansa wasn't raped.

How do you figure that?

How do you figure she was? She married Ramsay and he didn't threaten her or anything. He was incredible crude and even brutal but I don't think she resisted or anything. She just did what she had to do right? She didn't say anything at all. That was kind of the point of the scene IMO. Innocence lost.

Interesting take. I'd like to see someone post this on Facebook (not it) just to see the hounds of war let loose.

Or just call in Henry Ford...or is it BobbyLayne? I always mix those two up.