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HBO - Song of Ice&Fire Series -Varsity Thread - no TV only whiners (1 Viewer)

Spin said:
Wouldn't that mean that Arya is dead?  If they used her face?
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Hey, I didn't claim to think that one through.  You would be right on that. 

Seems really odd that we see her holed up with Needle is one shot, and the next she is walking around mid day with a couple sacks of money (seemingly without her weapon). 

 
bicycle_seat_sniffer said:
So then its possibl to have the face of someone living?? 
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Yes, or of anything you want. The priest greets Arya with a skull and a graveworm as a face. Jaqen changes his appearance right in front of Arya. In the books using the skin of a face is more effective though. Perceptive people might be able to see through an illusion (similar to what Melisandre does with Rattleshirt/Mance switch). It is implied that using the face doesn't have this limitation - the problem being that you need a mask of skin of a dead person. 

 
sn0mm1s said:
Yes. I believe that was after her first failure. Someone had to die so Jaqen died and she pulled off a bunch of faces.
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That was right after she drank that stuff and then went blind shortly after. I took it as her hallucinating.

 
Why would the Brotherhood w/out Banners slaughter peaceful unarmed religious farmers? Does that make sense from the text? I thought their whole schtick was to roam around the riverlands protecting smallfolk.

 
CletiusMaximus said:
Why would the Brotherhood w/out Banners slaughter peaceful unarmed religious farmers? Does that make sense from the text? I thought their whole schtick was to roam around the riverlands protecting smallfolk.
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I do remember them turning more violent once LSH took over. If that's the case... from their point of view those people were harboring The Hound, a notorious Lannister soldier.

 
I think it's just a sign that Beric is no longer leading the BWB.  The BWB still robbed a bunch of children of their food and provisions and sold one of those children to the Red Woman to buy more food and provisions.  The only reason the didn't slit their throats then was because Beric was in charge and still believed he was "doing good" for the realm.

Beric dies and the next leader doesn't have the same conviction?  Kill the small folk for their food and provisions seems very likely.

 
interesting thought re: the BWB scene, from a Q&A at The Ringer 

Who says those dudes are really in the Brotherhood? Words are wind. I’m dubious until I see Beric and Thoros. I’m betting this is an adaption of a similar event from A Feast for Crows — the massacre at Saltpans — and that this trio of murderers is simply a trio of murderers.

 
Rick James said:
interesting thought re: the BWB scene, from a Q&A at The Ringer 

Who says those dudes are really in the Brotherhood? Words are wind. I’m dubious until I see Beric and Thoros. I’m betting this is an adaption of a similar event from A Feast for Crows — the massacre at Saltpans — and that this trio of murderers is simply a trio of murderers.
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Well, as mentioned above, one of those guys is credited as Lem Lemoncloack in the credits. :shrug:  

I think it makes more sense for them to be from the Brotherhood, plot wise. That's one little loose end that they could tie of neatly with the Hound.

 
Guess I'll talk about this here then because the other thread is too busy in the "who's that guy again" shtick that some people find hilarious.  I thought that little Mormont was going to ask Jon for her family's ancestral sword back, and that would be the tie in for why Sam stole his family's sword.  So that Jon could have a Valyrian sword again.  I'm really surprised it wasn't even brought up in the show.

 I don't buy the "fightclub" theory with respect to Arya, just doesn't make sense, and would be tough to show on TV.

I like this theory better.  Putting it into Spoiler tags cause not sure what the rule on theories is in this thread.  They were #####ing about someone mentioning that the Hound MIGHT appear in episode 7 based on the title in the other thread and it not being in spoilers.

 The actor that played Syrio Forel seemingly slipped up in an "after the show" type talk show when the host acts if Syrio had strong ties to the House of Black and White, and he replies "Yah... well no, I mean no" then gives a weird look like he just slipped up.

Which, if you get your tin foil cap on, could be Syrio is still alive, and Arya's water dancing training has never really ended, and this was all just an extension of that, and Syrio is going to end up helping Arya. This reddit post has a ton of ways to link Jaqen and Syrio.  

And of course, the shadow figure in the background of this episode 8 picture sure looks like Syrio.  And some possible crazy foreshadowing between the last time we see Syrio and the Titan they continue to show.
 
Leeroy Jenkins said:
Didn't we meet Lem several seasons ago?  Same actor?
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I really hope they don't do the LSH storyline at this point.  Although it would fit.  Lemoncloak tells LSH that The Hound is at that camp.  She assumes that he's still associated with the Lannisters and thus, the entire camp is, and goes and kills them all.  Plus the hanging. 

 
Spin said:
Guess I'll talk about this here then because the other thread is too busy in the "who's that guy again" shtick that some people find hilarious.  I thought that little Mormont was going to ask Jon for her family's ancestral sword back, and that would be the tie in for why Sam stole his family's sword.  So that Jon could have a Valyrian sword again.  I'm really surprised it wasn't even brought up in the show.

 I don't buy the "fightclub" theory with respect to Arya, just doesn't make sense, and would be tough to show on TV.

I like this theory better.  Putting it into Spoiler tags cause not sure what the rule on theories is in this thread.  They were #####ing about someone mentioning that the Hound MIGHT appear in episode 7 based on the title in the other thread and it not being in spoilers.

 The actor that played Syrio Forel seemingly slipped up in an "after the show" type talk show when the host acts if Syrio had strong ties to the House of Black and White, and he replies "Yah... well no, I mean no" then gives a weird look like he just slipped up.

Which, if you get your tin foil cap on, could be Syrio is still alive, and Arya's water dancing training has never really ended, and this was all just an extension of that, and Syrio is going to end up helping Arya. This reddit post has a ton of ways to link Jaqen and Syrio.  

And of course, the shadow figure in the background of this episode 8 picture sure looks like Syrio.  And some possible crazy foreshadowing between the last time we see Syrio and the Titan they continue to show.
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Could also explain away how Jaqen ended up in the black cells in the first place.

I don't buy it, but it's a much better theory than Fight Club, which I also don't buy. 

 
Spin said:
Guess I'll talk about this here then because the other thread is too busy in the "who's that guy again" shtick that some people find hilarious.  I thought that little Mormont was going to ask Jon for her family's ancestral sword back, and that would be the tie in for why Sam stole his family's sword.  So that Jon could have a Valyrian sword again.  I'm really surprised it wasn't even brought up in the show.

 I don't buy the "fightclub" theory with respect to Arya, just doesn't make sense, and would be tough to show on TV.

I like this theory better.  Putting it into Spoiler tags cause not sure what the rule on theories is in this thread.  They were #####ing about someone mentioning that the Hound MIGHT appear in episode 7 based on the title in the other thread and it not being in spoilers.

 The actor that played Syrio Forel seemingly slipped up in an "after the show" type talk show when the host acts if Syrio had strong ties to the House of Black and White, and he replies "Yah... well no, I mean no" then gives a weird look like he just slipped up.

Which, if you get your tin foil cap on, could be Syrio is still alive, and Arya's water dancing training has never really ended, and this was all just an extension of that, and Syrio is going to end up helping Arya. This reddit post has a ton of ways to link Jaqen and Syrio.  

And of course, the shadow figure in the background of this episode 8 picture sure looks like Syrio.  And some possible crazy foreshadowing between the last time we see Syrio and the Titan they continue to show.
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So Jaqen would have been in King Landing to train Arya as opposed to kill Ned?

 
Bigboy10182000 said:
So Jaqen would have been in King Landing to train Arya as opposed to kill Ned?
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Or he was sent to kill Syrio, similar to Waif being sent to kill Arya.  Maybe Syrio used to be a Faceless Man and decided he was done and left.  Although I havn't read the books, one of the redditors does comment how in the books Jaqen tells Arya she can leave at any time, so why are they trying to kill her for leaving now?

Here: 

Winterfell, she might have said. I smell snow and smoke and pine needles. I smell the stables. I smell Hodor laughing, and Jon and Robb battling in the yard, and Sansa singing about some stupid lady fair. I smell the crypts where the stone kings sit, I smell hot bread baking, I smell the godswood. I smell my wolf, I smell her fur, almost as if she were still beside me. "I don't smell anything," she said, to see what he would say.

"You lie," he said, "but you may keep your secrets if you wish, Arya of House Stark." He only called her that when she displeased him. "You know that you may leave this place. You are not one of us, not yet. You may go home anytime you wish."

"You told me that if I left, I couldn't come back."

"Just so."

Those words made her sad. Syrio used to say that too, Arya remembered.He said it all the time. Syrio Forel had taught her needlework and died for her. "I don't want to leave."
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What happens with Arya here is the kind of thing that has me scouring the internet for clues and looking forward to Sunday more than ever.  I hope it's awesome.  I hope it doesn't suck.  I can see it going either way.

 
Frostillicus said:
What happens with Arya here is the kind of thing that has me scouring the internet for clues and looking forward to Sunday more than ever.  I hope it's awesome.  I hope it doesn't suck.  I can see it going either way.
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Definitely agree with this.  Most I've looked into theories for awhile, and there's a lot of them that I can buy into, but none that just makes 100% sense as a lot of them also have some counters.  That has to be Syrio in that leaked photo though.

 
Spin said:
Definitely agree with this.  Most I've looked into theories for awhile, and there's a lot of them that I can buy into, but none that just makes 100% sense as a lot of them also have some counters.  That has to be Syrio in that leaked photo though.
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Agreed.  I can see how most of theories can kind of work, but there's holes in most of them as well.  I love the show so I'm trusting they've got something figured out that is awesome and makes sense.  Can't wait for Sunday.

 
Frostillicus said:
What happens with Arya here is the kind of thing that has me scouring the internet for clues and looking forward to Sunday more than ever.  I hope it's awesome.  I hope it doesn't suck.  I can see it going either way.
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Saw one theory that her ultimate endgame is to die, but warg into Nymeria and live out her days as a dier wolf, leading her pack.

 
IMO the "Arya was actually Jaquen during last weeks stabbing" theory makes the most sense. Watched that scene again yesterday at lunch with a coworker, and there are definitely numerous things that are "off" with how she acts.

 
Frostillicus said:
That would go in the suck category.
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Maybe, but I just don't see how her character fits into Westeros in the long-run.  She is driven by revenge. After Cersei dies, who is left that she really wants to kill.  At that point she has nothing.  She is not going to be a "Lady"   Maybe she teams up with the Hound delivering justice around the countryside, but that seems rather anti-climatic, and essentially leaves her with no role in the war with the Dead - which is the whole point of the series.  If she warged into Nymeria, she and her pack could help against the White Walker army. :shrug:

 
Sinn Fein said:
Maybe, but I just don't see how her character fits into Westeros in the long-run.  She is driven by revenge. After Cersei dies, who is left that she really wants to kill.  At that point she has nothing.  She is not going to be a "Lady"   Maybe she teams up with the Hound delivering justice around the countryside, but that seems rather anti-climatic, and essentially leaves her with no role in the war with the Dead - which is the whole point of the series.  If she warged into Nymeria, she and her pack could help against the White Walker army. :shrug:
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No maybe about it.  Would be awful.

 
Foosball God said:
What if Syrio was Jaquen.
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Again, I think it explains away the, "How did Jaqen end up in the black cells in the first place" question.  But would Meryn Trant have left him alive after he helped Arya escape?  There are other possible explanations, sure.  I just think people are looking so hard for the twists anymore that they're ignoring the likely.

 
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This one seems possible:

Another Redditor expanded upon the same basic theory, positing that Arya’s interaction with actress Lady Crane in the sixth episode was integral to her plan. “We can assume she knows enough from training to figure the waif will attack to the body,” passingwisdom wrote. “So I believe she has 1 or more pigs blood pouches around her body. She knows where and how to do this because last episode… she saved the actress. The actress then provided her help to make the scene on the bridge large and realistic. … She then leaves the water and leaves a trail of blood…. to lead her [enemies] to her. Expecting an unarmed (because she choose not to show needle during the fight scene) and injured girl; they will instead walk down a dark alley and be met with an uninjured girl who knows how to fight in the dark and carrying a sword.”

Maybe a girl wants to fake her death?

 
This is some final test for Arya, she passes, and really becomes a faceless man truly. 

She's then tasked to kill real Sansa and does so. 

 
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