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Anarchy99
Footballguy
Bill wouldn't admit the Matt Patricia / Joe Judge experiment didn't work. He tried to be the smartest GM in the league by getting the Lions and Giants to pay for those two while turning them into usable offensive coaches. It didn't work out. I expect a lot of changes to the coaching staff (not BB) next season.
Cowboysfan8
Footballguy
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
What would we do if BB wasn't on the sidelines with his "What's that SMELL?" face?
Anarchy99
Footballguy
I believe yesterday it was their kick coverage. And it was pretty rancid.
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
Albert Breer
@AlbertBreer
Patriots owner Robert Kraft said Meek Mill texted him three or four days ago saying Lamar Jackson wanted to come to New England. Kraft responded that would be Bill Belichick’s decision.
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Patriots HC Bill Belichick clarifies focus on 2023, not 'last 25 years': 'We're not resting on our past laurels'
...uncertainty abounds in New England...
...a stagnant offense and the regression of quarterback Mac Jones. Jones' future as the franchise QB ...
@AlbertBreer
Patriots owner Robert Kraft said Meek Mill texted him three or four days ago saying Lamar Jackson wanted to come to New England. Kraft responded that would be Bill Belichick’s decision.
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Patriots HC Bill Belichick clarifies focus on 2023, not 'last 25 years': 'We're not resting on our past laurels'
...uncertainty abounds in New England...
...a stagnant offense and the regression of quarterback Mac Jones. Jones' future as the franchise QB ...
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
Anarchy99
Footballguy
I'm shocked by this development.
Samuel and BB butted heads over Samuel's contract. BB didn't think he was worth paying top dollar for and wouldn't do it. Bill was happy to pay Samuel on his original rookie contract as a 4th round draft pick. Asante got franchise tagged for a season after that, he potentially dropped an INT in the SB that would have iced an undefeated season for NE, and Samuel bolted Foxboro from there. Their relationship has been icy ever since. I don't know everything that Asante has said about BB and NE in those 15 years, but I would guess the next good thing Samuel has to say about NE might be his first.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
They had their two decades.
Anarchy99
Footballguy
I've been saying for a while now that the QBs in the AFC East (Allen, Tua, and now Rodgers) are all likely better than any QBs that were around when Brady was there.
Bills: Van Pelt, Johnson, Bledsoe, Holcomb, Losman, Edwards, Lewis, Fitzpatrick, Manuel, Orton, Taylor, Peterman
Dolphins: Fiedler, Lucas, Griese, Feeley, Frerotte, Culpepper, Harrington, Lemon, Pennington, Green, Henne, Moore, Tannehill, Cutler, Osweiler, Fitzpatrick, Rosen
Jets: Testaverde, Pennington, Clemens, Bollinger, Favre, Sanchez, Smith, Fitzpatrick, McCown, Petty, Darnold, Wilson, Flacco, White
Did people expect the rest of the division to be incompetent and irrelevant forever? The rest of the division got way better. The Patriots got worse without Brady. IMO, the NE roster isn't that much different. The other teams got better. It was bound to happen. The fact the AFC East was so mediocre for so long is the bigger surprise than NE no longer being a force.
eighsse2
Footballguy
Very good point. So crazy to look at those lists in light of their current QB's.
The Duff Man
Footballguy
Bill should have packed it in. Every year he just looks worse.
greenmountaingoat
Footballguy
I don't share your opinion on sentence 1 but hard to argue with the facts in sentence 2.
"Should have" not hired tweedle dee and tweedle dumb to run the offense. Someone to help him draft would have been good too.
Boston
Footballguy
Yup...stop trying to build the team the same way you did with the greatest player of all time...it is not gonna work...you are not building a contender in today's NFL without legit talent...if you can't understand that it's time to go.
SeniorVBDStudent
Footballguy
If we look at the limited SB data points we have since NE beat LAR, we have
KC over SF
TB over KC
LAR over CIN
KC over PHI
LAR and TB have regressed. CIN and PHI have been working with a rookie QB contract. SF has used a patch work of QBs in combination with an allegedly unparalleled defense.
KC has a generational QB and head coach. They also have a DC in Spags that has done a great job managing employee turnover on defense. The machine kept rolling when Tyreek left, and I would venture to say the machine can keep rolling if/when they lose Kelce.
There are not a lot of teams out there like KC. Buffalo is close, but in a game of inches being 95% of KC is not the same as being KC. KC is following the blue print from the Brady era Patriots.
I won't defend the coaching choices last year, nor the spending spree the year before that. At the same time, I'm not ready to throw dirt on the future with BB at the helm, and I find the narrative that Bill has mellowed and he's fine if he passes Schula with 3 years of 9 and 8 and wanders of into the sunset. This narrative has been constructed based on a few key 3rd party quotes ("Bill just wants to work with people he likes", etc.)....but no one is pointing out that the new narrative flies in the face of the old persona. Say for example that Tiger Woods had never had that car crash and was just playing for participation awards because "he has just mellowed out over the years". The narrative is suspect but is not being challenged, in part because the NE machine took a huge shot when Brady hit the door after the roster and cap had been laid bare.
Whatever happens, it will be interesting to watch, as its likely that BB only has 1-2 QBs remaining in his tenure.
Boston
Footballguy
My issue is not with BB the HC it is with BB the GM...I just don't see what direction they are taking with regard to this roster...there was always going to be a dip post TB12 but we are now entering year 4 and I see a team with nothing but questions at almost every position on the roster...and if either Jones or Zappe don't turn into a legit QB than the path to being a contender is almost non-existent.
greenmountaingoat
Footballguy
Bingo. Beating a drum at this point so I’ll shut it but.. imagine if Mac had improved last year from 21. Not an impossibility to have imagined a year ago. All the narratives would be different. Call it the GM or the Coach but it’s maddening. I get more frustrated every time I think about it. So, so dumb.
Anarchy99
Footballguy
Not to beat a dead horse, but what gets reported these days by members of the media is highly selective. Curran has been saying that BB has a lifetime contract with NE and all the talk and hype in the past 4 years is noise. Where are the SportsEdge updates from Curran from the past 4 years? How about Curran's perspective on this year's team (he has them with 11 or 12 wins).
Kraft has been asked directly multiple times by local media guys and Kraft has had nothing but praise and adulation for Bill, that he put the franchise on the map, and they would be lucky if they could keep him from year to year. Some of Kraft's comments are more for the fans than anything else.
I watch and read Curran every day. For those that don't have access to Boston sports media, they are RELENTLESS in beating the drum that BB should have been fired years ago. You can't listen to radio or TV without the hosts piling on that his entire career has been a mirage, that Brady was the only reason they won, and then they list 1,001 ways Bill has destroyed the team. Anyone with positive feelings for BB or things they will be a strong team gets bashed over the head over it. Recently, there have been countless reports from people reading the tealeaves and connecting the dots and concluding that Bill is on notice. But the Kraft's have been saying the same thing for several years and Bill is still there.
The universal thought process across the NE beat guys is BB would have to have a 3-4 win season for any Bill replacement talk to start percolating. At some point, Bill will want to retire (after he gets the career wins record). The Kraft's know that if Bill still wants to coach and they fire him, teams would be lining up to sign him. It's bad enough Brady won someplace else. If Bill did that, the Krafts would look even worse (especially if they went on a stretch of seasons with 3-4 wins).
I have been saying for several years now that what changed is multiple other franchises got way better and all have franchise QBs. How many years went by where the only real bonafide QBs other than Brady were Peyton and Ben? Now the majority of AFC teams have legit, top-flight QBs. In a rough order . . . Mahomes, Burrow, Allen, Herbert, Rodgers, Lamar, Lawrence, Watson, Tua, Wilson, Jimmy G . . . that's a better list than the top 10-12 names across the entire Brady era.
So yeah, NE is not going to get 5-6 easy wins in the AFCE anymore, and they will struggle to get 6-7 wins outside their division. The conference overall is just way stronger. That has nothing to do with BB, the roster, who they drafted, who they have at QB, etc. I don't think the talent level across the NE roster is all that different (with the huge exception that they don't have Brady). They mostly won without a lot of high end talent and with a roster of good but not exceptional players (save for Brady).
NE probably can't win the way they won before (strong defense, a decent running game, and hope the other team messes up). That won't cut it when you need Mac Jones to be the magic eraser. That strategy could keep them competitive and in the hunt for a wildcard spot, but until they have a more consistent and reliable offense, they will be stuck as a playoff bubble team. (I don't see them being a 5-win team like some have suggested.)
Boston
Footballguy
You really have a bad habit of turning Felger and Mazz into all of Boston media and as we have gone over before I cannot disagree with you more about the talent issue…the bottom line is BB has not done a good job post-Brady and due to that BB the GM should absolutely be on the hot seat…right now there is no vision…they are an average team that does not have the type of young core to get you excited for the future and BB seems to have little interest in changing how he builds his team as the game changes around him (the obsession with special teams is almost comical right now)…if Mac does not solidify himself as their QB of the future they are totally screwed…with so much on the line the kid may have to be successful with an awful situation at tackle and a nothing special group of weapons outside of Stevenson…this is coming off a year where he gave him Matt Patricia as his OC…is that really the correct way to develop a young QB…the Pats could be anywhere from a 6-10 win team and to win 10 a real lot has to go right…if they end up closer to 6 and Mac is not the answer at QB why should BB be back…at what point will he change…anyone who has done business with the Kraft family knows they can be hard asses if you effect their bottom-line and right now BB is not showing he is the man to get the Pats back to the level they want.
Anarchy99
Footballguy
I am talking about Curran. He's on TV all the time. He's on the radio all the time. He has his own TV and podcasts. He's given his opinion all the time that he thinks BB has a lifetime contract. There are plenty of other media guys besides Felger and Mazz that want BB gone. Bedard and Volin for sure, Hart is likely another.
Trenni on Early Edition almost only talks about BB in a negative light. Here's what was actually discussed on the air. LINK
The stuff in the SportsEdge commentary was not discussed at all and was editorialized by them. IMO, the general tone and discussion was more about maybe the heat is getting runed up, but no one on the panel makes it out like this year is a win and or go home season for BB. To me, it's more a talk about what would it take to get the Kraft's to that point . . . and we clearly haven't gotten there.
We can agree to disagree on the talent level, and they have multiple guys that can very easily be in position to have strong seasons. That still doesn't change that the rest of the conference is loaded when that didn't happen for almost 20 years.
Boston
Footballguy
IMO it is not just wins and losses but direction and laying the groundwork for the future…if they were to win 7-8 games but there is a high quality young core developing that is one thing but if they win 7-8 and Mac has not solidified himself into a legit NFL starter and players like Strong, Thornton and some of the recent O line draft picks are not legit that is completely unacceptable in today’s NFL…on D it is about Barmore, Duggar and Gonzalez becoming top-shelf players and having this year’s second and third round picks becoming foundation pieces…if a lot of that stuff happens than there is now a path to success and you can go forward with BB but if not it is time to think seriously about a change because you know BB is not gonna change and it is not working…BB should absolutely be on the hot seat and if any player performed like he has the past 3.5 years he would absolutely get rid of them…we can go round and round but at the end of the day how the team performs this year will dictate whether the BB era should continue…I hope I am wrong but right now I don’t like how this team is currently constructed and have not since #12 left.
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Anarchy99
Footballguy
You just listed a bunch of young players Strong, Thornton, OL picks, Barmore, Duggar, and Gonzalez. You didn't list young guys that have already done well . . . Stevenson, Uche, Onwenu, the two Jones, and Bentley. Those are all recent draft picks and young players that have either showed a lot or have shown flashes. What are you expecting? Every draft pick is an All-Pro right out of the gate? They have a core of a dozen guys that have shown flashes and / or are already good. White, Mapu, Boutte, and Douglas could be interesting from this year's crop. Not sure where the "not working part" of that equation fits here.
IMO, it's too soon to tell with Jones. With a real OC and guys another year int he system, he should have a much better footing to do well. If he is horrible by the end of the season, then yes, they have a big problem. But we still don't know what he is or isn't.
I know you are concerned about the RBs. Along the way, I listed all the guys they've had that went from not playing or limited playing time that made solid contributions, going all the way back to Faulk, BJGE, Ridley, Vereen, White, Harris, Stevenson. That's how they bring guys along. Not sure why after all these years having success with drafting and not using RBs until Year 2 that NOW will by the time that the guys they drafted don't work out.
Again, not sure what isn't working. If not for dumb plays and unfortunate outcomes, NE was very close to going 11-6 last year. Would that still be considered "not working?" If your standard is win a SB and anything short of that is a failure, then there are 31 teams that get an F each season. Playing in a week division in a conference with only a couple of perennially good teams for 2 decades is not the landscape the AFC is in now.
IMO, people are looking at this all wrong. They should be evaluating what happened over 20 years and concluding that NE was fortunate to have weak divisional opponents for so long and being able to win a ton of titles when they probably weren't a dominate team . . . RATHER THAN saying now they are doing everything wrong. The competition is way tougher now. But let's see how this season plays out before we conclude "it's not working." If "not working" means they aren't in the SB every other year, then yes, that's true.
Boston
Footballguy
We just see things totally different both now and during their 20 year run…if you think this team is heading in the right direction under BB we will just have to agree to disagree and let actual results and not excuses or what happened a long time ago be the final judge of what they are In 2023.
Anarchy99
Footballguy
I agree. Let's not go back 20 years. How about we only go back 5 years? That was the last time they won the SB. The scheduling gods were kind to them then, as they got to beat up on the likes of Brock Osweiler, Mitchell Trubisky, Derek Anderson, Josh McCown, and Sam Darnold. They even got to play Blake Bortles and Marcus Mariota (and lost both games).
The Pats had JE11 and Gronk to throw to and both guys were hurt throughout the season. The alternatives were Gordon, Hogan, Dorsett, Patterson, and Dwayne Allen. The primary back was Michel, who had a very nondescript regular season. No player had 1,000 yards rushing or receiving. The defense had Gilmore and not much else as true playmakers. As discussed frequently. they didn't have much pass rush then.
Now look at the schedule THIS YEAR. The QBs they are slated to face are Allen x 2, Rodgers x 2, Tua x 2, Mahomes, Herbert, Wilson, Jimmy G, Hurts, Prescott, Jones, Howell, Carr, Pickett, and Richardson. That is LEAPS AND BOUNDS a tougher schedule than 2018. The offense now has Stevenson (an upgrade over Michel). When you consider that Edleman and Gronk were often hurt, the receiving corps overall this year could actually be better. Defensively, Gonzalez could end up being like Gilmore (Gilmour was DPOY the following year, not that one) . . . and now they actually have a pass rush. The biggest difference is Jones is no Brady, but I don't see how 1) that gauntlet of a schedule has anything to do with BB (he didn't pick the schedule), 2) we would be comparing a 41-year-old QB to a 25-year-old, and 3) that 2018 squad relied on many older, established players (which the 2023 team doesn't really have). So sure, if you want to make a case that BB messed up the roster by not having more home-grown veterans due to a stretch of poor drafting, I am right there with you. But other than Brady, I don't see where that 2018 was loaded compared to the current team.
But I am guessing we will disagree on that as well.
Boston
Footballguy
You are right…we don’t agree…keep building the roster as if the greatest player in the NFL is still there but blame any failures on the schedule.
SeniorVBDStudent
Footballguy
From the department of redundant redundancy file, I will repeat my summary thoughts expressed previously.
2020 Brady is gone and the offensive cupboard has been laid bare. The roster was highly leveraged at this point....typically that happens to most teams after winning one superbowl. Cam Newton's running ability can't save a situation where there is literally zero receiving prowess after JE11 goes down.
2021 A reasonable rookie year for Jones.
2022 The Patricia / Judge experiment was an abject failure.
Boston media and an overly entitled disloyal fan base doing its best impression of crybaby New York / Philly fans villifies Bill the GM and concludes the game has passed him by after two decades of abject domination of the National Football League. I can signoff on the Patricia / Judge fiasco, but I still remember what the Grogan years were like and remain grateful and optimistic for the future.
2020 Brady is gone and the offensive cupboard has been laid bare. The roster was highly leveraged at this point....typically that happens to most teams after winning one superbowl. Cam Newton's running ability can't save a situation where there is literally zero receiving prowess after JE11 goes down.
2021 A reasonable rookie year for Jones.
2022 The Patricia / Judge experiment was an abject failure.
Boston media and an overly entitled disloyal fan base doing its best impression of crybaby New York / Philly fans villifies Bill the GM and concludes the game has passed him by after two decades of abject domination of the National Football League. I can signoff on the Patricia / Judge fiasco, but I still remember what the Grogan years were like and remain grateful and optimistic for the future.
Boston
Footballguy
Curran: Pats ‘continue to increase the degree of difficulty' on Mac
Tom E. Curran reacts to DeAndre Hopkins signing with the Titans over the Patriots and what it says about Bill Belichick’s decision-making when building the roster.
www.nbcsportsboston.com
Tau837
Footballguy
As a non-NE fan (Chargers fan), I think this is a solid take. Yes, the OC decision last season was a fiasco. But, other than that, which should be corrected this year, there is no smoking gun to suggest that Belichick is an abject failure without Brady. I think the opposite.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
….but…,but…but…the Browns
As a non-NE fan (Chargers fan), I think this is a solid take. Yes, the OC decision last season was a fiasco. But, other than that, which should be corrected this year, there is no smoking gun to suggest that Belichick is an abject failure without Brady. I think the opposite.
Da Franchise
Footballguy
Pats are boring and irrelevant in their current form. BB owns that just as much as the rings. He’s not likely to change and the needle is pointing sideways at best. I’d call it a steady 4 o’clock.
Anarchy99
Footballguy
REPORT: Patriots Bill Belichick Is In Real Danger Of Losing His Job
I find this explosion of "BB is about to lose his job" narratives funny at this point. Curran didn't even start this current round of discussion. Greg Bedard did. Curran was asked on TV to comment on what Bedard wrote / said, and Curran essentially said, "Sure, at some point Bill could end up on the hot seat, but Robert Kraft has made ominous statements that he's been disappointed for 3 years and nothing's happened to BB." Then that turned into Curran leading the charge that Bill is on the hot seat, and he was on Eisen's show where they said there's a chance that BB could at some point be on the hot seat. Yet the end result is the headline I just posted.
This has been discussed in the Boston sports media ad nauseum, and the same people on the same networks on the same talk shows mostly agree that at some point Kraft may want to revisit his relationship with Bill. But last night they played a slew of Kraft's comments from this offseason where Kraft mentioned he hopes the team will improve. That they play in the toughest division in football and it will be very difficult. That he hopes that they can do better than last year. That he's rooting for the team. The consensus for most of the Boston sports media and Patriots beat writers is it would take a colossal implosion this year with only 3-4 wins to get Kraft to seriously consider replacing Bill. Mac Jones would have to be terrible and lose his starting job. The team would have to be constantly bickering with in-fighting (and essentially all revolting against BB). The team would have to be totally dysfunctional, and BB would have to completely lose the team for that to happen.
I find this explosion of "BB is about to lose his job" narratives funny at this point. Curran didn't even start this current round of discussion. Greg Bedard did. Curran was asked on TV to comment on what Bedard wrote / said, and Curran essentially said, "Sure, at some point Bill could end up on the hot seat, but Robert Kraft has made ominous statements that he's been disappointed for 3 years and nothing's happened to BB." Then that turned into Curran leading the charge that Bill is on the hot seat, and he was on Eisen's show where they said there's a chance that BB could at some point be on the hot seat. Yet the end result is the headline I just posted.
This has been discussed in the Boston sports media ad nauseum, and the same people on the same networks on the same talk shows mostly agree that at some point Kraft may want to revisit his relationship with Bill. But last night they played a slew of Kraft's comments from this offseason where Kraft mentioned he hopes the team will improve. That they play in the toughest division in football and it will be very difficult. That he hopes that they can do better than last year. That he's rooting for the team. The consensus for most of the Boston sports media and Patriots beat writers is it would take a colossal implosion this year with only 3-4 wins to get Kraft to seriously consider replacing Bill. Mac Jones would have to be terrible and lose his starting job. The team would have to be constantly bickering with in-fighting (and essentially all revolting against BB). The team would have to be totally dysfunctional, and BB would have to completely lose the team for that to happen.
fuzzy_dunlop
Footballguy
The only thing worse than the Felger/Mazz troll media style is their callers. The bandwagon really did become overstuffed these past 2 decades. If we stink for a stretch it'll come with the silver lining of these spoiled fairweather fans hitting the bricks. Did these morons think it would last forever??
Boston
Footballguy
Where are you seeing this consensus of 3-4 wins (or the other issues) from the Boston media?
Anarchy99
Footballguy
Looking back at the other multi-championship winning teams with HOF-caliber QBs and coaches . . .
It took the Packers 29 years to win a championship after their run with Lombardi and Starr.
It took the Steelers 26 years to win a championship after their run with Bradshaw and Noll.
It's been 27 years since the Cowboys won 3 times in 4 years with Aikman and Switzer / Johnson.
It's been 28 years since the 49ers last won with Montana / Young and Walsh / Seifert.
It's been 49 years since the Dolphins won back-to-back titles with Griese and Shula.
Teams can go a long time before finding the right mix of QB / head coach / OC / roster to win multiple titles and stay competitive consistently, and in the salary cap era it's harder for teams to keep the band together.
Anarchy99
Footballguy
I see / hear / read stuff all the time. BST, Early Edition, local radio shows, national shows, syndicated shows, podcasts, articles, tweets, interviews, local news segments, YouTube videos. There's plenty of stuff being discussed everywhere, but only a fraction of it gets picked up both nationally and locally (like the recent Curran comments).
Boston
Footballguy
I see the same stuff and am not hearing the definitive stuff you just said...what I am hearing is the seat is warm (as it should be) but Kraft is allowing Bill to continue making all the football decisions (although there is healthy speculation that it was Kraft who facilitated the BOB hire after the Patricia disaster) and they are not overly pleased with the direction the team is heading and want to see better results ...the issue is beginning with the decision to let Brady go, not having a succession plan for post-Brady, waiting till the last second to get Cam, the misses in the spending free agency spending spree, the Patricia/Judge debacle, Mac's development, the fact the team is not showing the discipline they once had and just the overall product on the field they are starting to get impatient...if the Pats have a solid year and it looks they have a core they can move forward with it will be all is well but if they take another step backwards and it is due to stuff like not addressing your tackle position or other obvious flaws not addressed in the offseason than all the cards are on the table because it is very apparent BB is not going to change how he does things...I do think the one thing that is agreed upon is if BB were not close to Shula's record the seat would be even warmer.
Anarchy99
Footballguy
Here's the thing. No one is arguing that things have gone smoothly since TB left the organization. If Brady stuck around and was as visibly angry and unhappy, they weren't going anywhere anyway. For all the griping over BB not trying to improve the offense and the WRs over the last few Brady years, they tried adding guys and things didn't work out (Cooks, Britt, Dorsett, Patterson, Gordon, Harry, AB, Sanu, Meyers).
No one will argue that they had several terrible drafts in a row that caused them to pivot to signing a bunch of free agents. Unfortunately, the free agents available that offseason weren't great and they overpaid for several guys that didn't contribute much. And everyone is in alignment that the Patricia / Judge plan was the most epic of epic failures.
Their recent teams have had flaws and holes . . . and you can only try to fix so many things at a time. The options this year for top level guys had them taking a top CB or an OT. They took a CB. They took 3 other OL players later. I know some folks wanted them to draft a RB . . . but they drafted 2 of them last year. People wanted them to draft a high octane WR . . . they did that last year. People moaned for years they had no pass rushers. Now they have 2 of them (and potentially some other options this draft).
No one will argue that they had several terrible drafts in a row that caused them to pivot to signing a bunch of free agents. Unfortunately, the free agents available that offseason weren't great and they overpaid for several guys that didn't contribute much. And everyone is in alignment that the Patricia / Judge plan was the most epic of epic failures.
Their recent teams have had flaws and holes . . . and you can only try to fix so many things at a time. The options this year for top level guys had them taking a top CB or an OT. They took a CB. They took 3 other OL players later. I know some folks wanted them to draft a RB . . . but they drafted 2 of them last year. People wanted them to draft a high octane WR . . . they did that last year. People moaned for years they had no pass rushers. Now they have 2 of them (and potentially some other options this draft).
Boston
Footballguy
Other than wanting to give BB a complete blank check I don't understand your point...anyone who thought they weren't going to take a big step backwards after #12 was delusional...that being said we are now entering year 4 post-#12 and they don't seem to be heading anywhere fast and BB seems intent to build a team the same way he did with the greatest player of all time at a time the game is changing...I will go to the mat saying BB is the best ever but right now I am very skeptical he has a solid plan in place that will do anything other than turn them into an average, flawed, irrelevant team...for some fans they are good with that because of all the success he brought them and BB being their binky but at some point something has to give here and what happens this season will go a long way towards what that is...if they win 10-11 games and Mac is a franchise QB than it is full speed ahead with BB but if they win 6-7 games without much of a young core it is just kicking the can down the road.
