Tau837
Footballguy
Fair enough. I am a NC State fan, and our public institution is in the same boat.
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Fair enough. I am a NC State fan, and our public institution is in the same boat.
massraider
Footballguy
They added 65 transfers, I think? Not super shocked they got beat up, but really early to call this little venture a disaster.
And really, he's in his 70s, whatever he does now is incidental to his legacy. He's like the Rolling Stones. All time great no matter how many times they drag their tired bones onstage and embarrass themselves.
And really, he's in his 70s, whatever he does now is incidental to his legacy. He's like the Rolling Stones. All time great no matter how many times they drag their tired bones onstage and embarrass themselves.
J Giles Band
Footballguy
I would add UVA to that list.
You'll have to excuse the NC State guys... just touchy because NC State definitely is not.
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BubbaFridge
Footballguy
Belichick won a playoff game with the Cleveland Browns Carl.
The Cleveland Browns.
GOAT
The Cleveland Browns.
GOAT
Gatorade
Footballguy
He didn't have his Gold Digger hanging around then to distract him.
nittanylion
Footballguy
I'm *not* going to go any further down this path, at least not in *this* Forum, but appearances are not always what they seem...
...the public perception that she's a parasite may be miscast.
It's as likely as anything else that they are engaged in a very typical, classic D/s relationship, behind closed doors, with him being one in charge.
Some very typical signs, if you know what to look for...
...the public perception that she's a parasite may be miscast.
It's as likely as anything else that they are engaged in a very typical, classic D/s relationship, behind closed doors, with him being one in charge.
Some very typical signs, if you know what to look for...
Chaka
Footballguy
Great now I need to bleach my eyeballs because you forced the image of Belichick as a minor character in Dodgeball into my head.
rockaction
Footballguy
This just got totally bizarre. I'm not sure how true this is because it sounds so damn bizarre and weird. A grain of salt about this story would seem to be in order.
Boston Herald now reporting the same thing
Boston Herald now reporting the same thing
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rockaction
Footballguy
Getting even weirder. Confirms that Patriots scouts are banned from UNC facilities and says he’s not welcome around Pats facilities why should he allow them at his,
What a bizarre and self-absorbed guy. Missing the point as always. I’m glad that he and the Patriots are donezo and I’m realizing I never hated the Pats or Brady at all. Just Bill. What a cheating, dour, paranoid joke of a man.
What a bizarre and self-absorbed guy. Missing the point as always. I’m glad that he and the Patriots are donezo and I’m realizing I never hated the Pats or Brady at all. Just Bill. What a cheating, dour, paranoid joke of a man.
Godsbrother
Footballguy
Isn’t banning an NFL team potentially hurting your players?
Boston
Footballguy
As someone who used to be a "in Bill we trust " guy there is something very off/wrong with him now...IMO you can pin-point it directly to meeting Jor-DON...he is such an embarrassment now...for a guy who only listened to one person in his career (Ernie Adams) after being with Parcells and the Giants the only person he now listens to is a 24-year-old self-absorbed cheerleader from Bridgewater State who is making him look like a complete fool...one of the tenets of his coaching was to limit distractions and he now does nothing but lob distraction grenades...just a bizarre (and sad for Patriot fans) way to finish out such a great career...he has always had his quirks but this just isn't the same person anymore.
rockaction
Footballguy
Gotta tell ya, Boston. This is the way the rest of the world outside of New England saw him. He was a corrupt Godless sonofabitch you’d never want in charge of you or people you loved. The people that volunteered defenses of his obviously problematic and scarily opportunistic self should be embarrassed for misjudging an obvious and flagrant immoralist.
Sorry bro, this is as surprising as a brick in the face from that guy convicted thirteen times of hitting people with bricks in the face.
Sorry bro, this is as surprising as a brick in the face from that guy convicted thirteen times of hitting people with bricks in the face.
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rockaction
Footballguy
There’s an assumption tucked in there that I don’t think is accurate. Makes everything the writer is about to conclude unsound.
karl.Racki
Footballguy
Guy is going to get canned soon... He is running his players like they are in Russia, and he is also losing big..
karl.Racki
Footballguy
I just saw UNC Football tweeted twice today about Maye, so Ross Martin might be full of BS.
Lansdowne
Footballguy
The directive could’ve still come from BB but got overridden by the university, especially considering the Maye family’s legacy at UNC.
SeniorVBDStudent
Footballguy
This is a fairly vicious take. I'm amused by thinking about these words through the lens of how folks have gotten bent recently about "cancel culture". It's widely known that the players who were a part of BB's tenure in New England were/are rabidly loyal to him despite how he comes across to third parties who think they "know stuff". Spygate and having an adulterous relationship with some woman in New York don't qualify someone as "a corrupt Godless sonofabitch" and/or "an obvious and flagrant immoralist" but judge as you see fit. I don't have any expectation that you or any other BB critic's are going to align with those of us who are BB fans, but the rhetoric here is really over the top for someone who contributed as much to defensive football theory as Paul Brown to modern football and Bill Walsh to offense. Have a good one.
fruity pebbles
Footballguy
Think that’s exactly what happened. Bill’s “pull” is being diminished by the week.
Yeah this rhetoric is a bit much, I'm sure you'll find some people to like these posts and I really don't care all that much but don't really think you're adding anything to this discussion.
btemp
Footballguy
If I'm a UNC fan, the most concerning part to me is his willingness to put his own pettiness before the players and the organisation.
Any banning of Patriots personnel, or any digs at the Patriots, are purely for his own pleasure and harm the players and org. This is not the message BB used to preach and seemed to live by during his glory years.
More than any actual coaching ability, these repeated reports tell me he's done. NFL teams were all correct in not hiring him and perhaps NE would have been better to fire him earlier if this is what he had become.
Any banning of Patriots personnel, or any digs at the Patriots, are purely for his own pleasure and harm the players and org. This is not the message BB used to preach and seemed to live by during his glory years.
More than any actual coaching ability, these repeated reports tell me he's done. NFL teams were all correct in not hiring him and perhaps NE would have been better to fire him earlier if this is what he had become.
rockaction
Footballguy
Cool. Please define how I can start "adding anything to this discussion"? Would you like to set the parameters about what can be said? What you think is relevant or irrelevant? What is a value addition here?
Somebody said he was "off" and that there was something "wrong" with him. I agreed and told the commenter lots of people felt that way about him.
Talk to Mac Jones about him. Talk to Jonas Gray. Talk to the people that are now coming forward and talking about egomaniacal tendencies and how petty he is and was. Now check the story about how he won't let the football department of UNC even mention who Drake Maye is publicly because he plays for the team Bill won't allow on campus.
Tell me what would add to this discussion, please. Eh, forget adding value; I'd like to say this: there are some people we get salty about in life. You might not like my choice of words or target, but I can assure you there are reasons for the distaste so many of feel towards Bill, and those reasons should be apparent and obvious to anybody outside of New England who follows football. And I'd venture they're obvious to New Englanders also. They just don't like those particular opinions about that particular man.
You have every right to subject my contributions to scrutiny. I'm here to tell you I pretty much reject your judgment of "adding anything to this discussion" absolutely and without delay or consternation. Peace.
I dunno man think toning down the rhetoric would be a start, just seems like you're trolling at this point. But obviously you're free to post what you want.
rockaction
Footballguy
Nope. Not trolling. I called him exactly what I wanted to without a thought of trying to provoke anybody.
That's right there how and what I think of him.
rockaction
Footballguy
This is much less vitriolic than what I had to say, but it gets at the idea that while sports are somewhat set aside from the most stringent ethical judgments because of their nature, there is a bit of a danger of overlap and adopting a stance that rejects all ethics or morality within sport as irrelevant and never overlapping. I'll use this anecdote. His last quip alludes to two things, I think. People who have no moral compass or lose it for sports run the risk of two things: 1) going over the line in their own sport in such a manner that the entire integrity of the game is in question, and 2) that unused or discarded moral compass might overlap into real life if constantly unattended to in sport. One last thing is that it might degrade or impugn your supporters in a way you aren't aware of, which might cause them dissonance, reduce their good feelings when they cheer for your club, or get them to dislike you or even the club entirely. I have that feeling about Alex Cora for running a cheating ring for my beloved Red Sox in probably their greatest year, 2018. He ruined it. They fired him and then gutlessly hired him back in 2021 (?) or something like that. Awful.
Anyway, from the Indy Star around Degflategate, which they needed to grow up bit about, but this was something I thought considered and thoughtful:
"Stephen Mosher, a professor at Ithaca College who studies sports ethics, said he was at the first game of the then-Boston Patriots in 1960.
But he hardly has a romantic view of the NFL or Belichick.
"If the National Football League were about sports rather than making money, I'd say this is a big deal," Mosher said. "I'd say it's a big deal if it were elementary school football or high school football. But after high school, let's face it, as far as business goes, anything goes. If you can get away with something like this, you're going to try it.
Of all the jerks who coach teams in the National Football League, Bill Belichick is about the 'jerkiest,' that I would grant you. Whatever serves his purposes, he's going to do. But I don't think we live in a society that is so naive that professional athletics is anything but entertainment."
He noted that baseball groundskeepers might let the infield grass grow too high to help a ground-ball pitcher.
And, Mosher added, "Every pitcher who gets a ball from an umpire does something to it."
It might even be considered part of the culture of the game.
"I don't think there's a hard and fast rule here or line to be drawn — push to here and that's it," Klein said. "But one criticism I have about Belichick as a Patriot fan is that when you're pushing against the rules, you have to be more careful knowing that you're on the edge and not go over the cliff.
"It seems from the outside that he's not always paying attention to that. It seems he's not always cognizant of, 'Hey I'm in gray area.' "
Anyway, from the Indy Star around Degflategate, which they needed to grow up bit about, but this was something I thought considered and thoughtful:
"Stephen Mosher, a professor at Ithaca College who studies sports ethics, said he was at the first game of the then-Boston Patriots in 1960.
But he hardly has a romantic view of the NFL or Belichick.
"If the National Football League were about sports rather than making money, I'd say this is a big deal," Mosher said. "I'd say it's a big deal if it were elementary school football or high school football. But after high school, let's face it, as far as business goes, anything goes. If you can get away with something like this, you're going to try it.
Of all the jerks who coach teams in the National Football League, Bill Belichick is about the 'jerkiest,' that I would grant you. Whatever serves his purposes, he's going to do. But I don't think we live in a society that is so naive that professional athletics is anything but entertainment."
He noted that baseball groundskeepers might let the infield grass grow too high to help a ground-ball pitcher.
And, Mosher added, "Every pitcher who gets a ball from an umpire does something to it."
It might even be considered part of the culture of the game.
"I don't think there's a hard and fast rule here or line to be drawn — push to here and that's it," Klein said. "But one criticism I have about Belichick as a Patriot fan is that when you're pushing against the rules, you have to be more careful knowing that you're on the edge and not go over the cliff.
"It seems from the outside that he's not always paying attention to that. It seems he's not always cognizant of, 'Hey I'm in gray area.' "
SeniorVBDStudent
Footballguy
as a counterpoint to some of the thoughtful analysis of BB, I offer the below article.
in short, it highlights the fact that neither he nor I care a single iota about your morality and judgement. I will not criticize you for your opinion.
having said that, I embrace your right to despise the man. in fact, I enjoy it.
From here on out, he's Suge Belichick
in short, it highlights the fact that neither he nor I care a single iota about your morality and judgement. I will not criticize you for your opinion.
having said that, I embrace your right to despise the man. in fact, I enjoy it.
From here on out, he's Suge Belichick
Lansdowne
Footballguy
Jewell
Footballguy
Per Pro Football Talk:
Bill Belichick coached the Patriots for 24 seasons. He may not finish one at the college level.
It sounds as if there’s a non-zero chance he doesn’t finish the current week.
Andrew Jones of 247Sports.com, an outlet owned by CBS, reports that “potential exit strategy discussions” occurred this morning at North Carolina. And while it doesn’t mean Belichick will be fired, “preliminary conversations” about the possibility have occurred.
The goal reportedly would be to eliminate or minimize Belichick’s buyout.
The fast-rolling snowball seems to be related to accounts of potential rules violations. This week, reports emerged that an assistant coach was suspended for providing extra benefits to player families and that players were selling free tickets they had received for games.
FULL ARTICLE: https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profo...y-discussions-have-begun-as-to-bill-belichick
Report: “Potential exit strategy” discussions have begun as to Bill Belichick
Bill Belichick coached the Patriots for 24 seasons. He may not finish one at the college level.
It sounds as if there’s a non-zero chance he doesn’t finish the current week.
Andrew Jones of 247Sports.com, an outlet owned by CBS, reports that “potential exit strategy discussions” occurred this morning at North Carolina. And while it doesn’t mean Belichick will be fired, “preliminary conversations” about the possibility have occurred.
The goal reportedly would be to eliminate or minimize Belichick’s buyout.
The fast-rolling snowball seems to be related to accounts of potential rules violations. This week, reports emerged that an assistant coach was suspended for providing extra benefits to player families and that players were selling free tickets they had received for games.
FULL ARTICLE: https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profo...y-discussions-have-begun-as-to-bill-belichick
SeniorVBDStudent
Footballguy
This read as a garden variety attack piece until I read "there are many other violations that have occurred, many on the recruiting front". That would seem to be the central pivot given NC's stated desire to weasel out of buyout dollars.
Jewell
Footballguy
If that report is accurate, I presume that UNC has buyer’s remorse over Belichick’s performance, and they’re now looking for violations as a pretext to fire Belichick for cause and hopefully get out from paying off the entirety of his contract.
SeniorVBDStudent
Footballguy
agreed, which is humorous given the turnover in personnel that by definition meant that anyone with a brain would realize that the team's record would be trash this year. so, either the powers that be don't understand football or they don't want bad press, or both.
rockaction
Footballguy
Fair enough. You do realize there’s very much an argumentative disconnect when I’m clearly discussing the man and the second-to-last sentence of your post is your stirring defense of his character. Football knowledge and how much of it Bill had or has is irrelevant.
I mean, the following is similar to what you and I just did.
“I loathe that man. His character is terrible. He lies, is obviously unfaithful to his wife, slanders his brother with egregious lies about how the brother abuses his father, steals from that father, and neglects his doting son.”
“I find it it odd that you would judge a man like that when he designed a cover-two shell with a zone blitz underneath!”
Think about it for a moment. Was that really the rebuttal you thought it was with the efficacy you hoped for?
SeniorVBDStudent
Footballguy
I follow your point. What I failed to say explicitely was judge not lest ye be judged. We live in a society where elected leaders are felons and rapists, where draft dodgers call veterans losers, and military commitments to allies are abandoned for financial expediency and you want to begrudge a mean for cheating in athletic contests and for being mean to Jonas Gray (a professional athelete who can't be bothered to show to work on time). In the big picture, Bill Belichick is a nobody but people choose to villify him because they have nothing better to do with their time. I don't have a problem if you dislike the man because you question his character. My perspective of your judgement is who cares. "I am not a role model." - Charles Barkley
InDitkaWeTrust
Footballguy
But the game in Raleigh will be a glorious one this year!
SeniorVBDStudent
Footballguy
the info posted by Faust aligns with your take.
fruity pebbles
Footballguy
fatness
Footballguy
I can't see him lasting much longer if the football beatings go on while he's behaving arrogantly.
www.nbcsports.com
Report: Bill Belichick has discussed buyout options with North Carolina
As reports of a potential exit mount, UNC remains silent.
www.nbcsports.com
SeniorVBDStudent
Footballguy
A new chapter unfolds...BB and the school have issued a joint statement reiterating BB's commitment to UNC and vice versa.
Its clear there are some operators involved with their own agendas...and its also clear that BB and his administration have been mis-managing relationships based on all the sniping.
I was surprised to see the statement given the agenda being pushed by the media.
Its clear there are some operators involved with their own agendas...and its also clear that BB and his administration have been mis-managing relationships based on all the sniping.
I was surprised to see the statement given the agenda being pushed by the media.
rockaction
Footballguy
That was meandering and I’m not sure what your point is because it is again a red herring; just like when you answered my concerns about his character with a rousing appeal to his football prowess.
Your comments have no cohesion and are akin to a baby eating strained baby pears and then spitting them up. You seem to assume I do not have plenty of room or the wherewithal to dislike people who allow for a society "where draft dodgers call veterans losers, and military commitments to allies are abandoned for financial expediency.” There is no serious time crunch where I can’t dislike all of these men. And Bill Belichick is not a politician, yet he is an important leader and civic figure. He is now the face of and is employed by one of the best education institutions in the Mid-Atlantic.
And here is the point I was making, and you make it for me in your own way. I have watched a general degradation of our culture and our burgeoning nihilism has been my bone of contention with Bill Belichick since the first serious indications of his rampant cheating back in ’02. I had begun to notice back then that there were more and more men like Bill in our institutions. They were taciturn and angry; all that mattered was a result that they deemed important, and the means to achieve their goals no longer mattered. I began to see a public acceptance of their methodology of cheating or corruption as the products of an admirable authenticity and drive rather than the realization that they were morally compromised men who practiced situationally convenient ethics for only their own benefit. They almost never acted with an idea or aim towards the beautiful, just, or good—never mind for the good of the public.
I could go on ad nauseam, but I don’t think you understand what I’m saying nor would you. You aren’t straw manning my argument. I’m not accusing you of that. You seem to have a functional inability to understand my argument, which is that Bill Belichick, wherever he goes, puts people in a situation in which their ethical integrity and moral uprightness is compromised en toto, and that this happens because he acts in such a way that it becomes apparent he is not guided by any moral compass nor a sense of decency. He transgresses in ways that have no regard for rules that have enacted over years that ensure fairness, decency, and our sense of what the good is in our lives.
And to make things worse than just being a man who wrecks places or ruins situations, Bill Belichick always seems to be in charge of or a significant part of big, public-facing institutions that we all benefit from when those institutions act in accordance with standards and practices we all recognize as the right ones. These are institutions that we put trust and time into, and when he is not a part of them they often bestow upon the public certain benefits that are just and they bring forth individuals that are upright—decent people who do things we all want to be witness to. And we see this as a good thing, and therefore, many people contribute their time, effort, and labor to make these institutions function the way they do because we respect others’ humanity qua being human.
But he never has. Not for any institution that he has been a part of. Those institutions that he is a part of; that allow him to be a part of them and lead them? They wind up with confused leaderships and disgraced adherents. Everything Bill touches turns to ****. Always.
I’ll speak commonly so you understand it. Bill wrecks big things that we all enjoy, love, and need. He leaves a trail of ****, anger, and confusion wherever he goes. He is a selfish ******* and he ruins places and people like the worst of the immoralists.
Now do you understand what I am saying?
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