HC Todd Bowles, TB (1 Viewer)

[rockaction]

Oh my.

You probably all heard about Bowles and the timeout. Let's consolidate our love for the man here.

 

[rockaction]

This is what I'm referring to.

Why Buccaneers didn’t use timeout with chance to get ball back at end of Lions loss

Todd Bowles must not believe in miracles.

nypost.com

 

[Ignoratio Elenchi]

Made no sense not to take the timeout on third down after the Lions took a knee with like 30 seconds left on the clock (also made no sense for the Lions to put Bowles in a position to take a timeout with that much time on the clock).

 

[rockaction]

I'd fire him. He quit.

The ball would have been somewhere around their own thirty-five at the least. You would have had twelve seconds left. What on earth. You run a play to get out of bounds and then throw a Hail Mary with Baker, who can throw the ball sixty yards. You give your team a chance.

Instead, with all that on the line, he chose not to. He folded his tent and quit.

I don't want that guy as my coach. I'm livid if I'm a GM or a player or anyone who has anything to do with anyone inside their building.

 

[Dez]

It actually would been about 30 seconds left (They kneed down at around 36 seconds) and the FG would been almost 50 yards not exactly a gimme.

If he missed the FG TB has 30 seconds and the ball around the 40 yard line.

 

[Ilov80s]

This is what I'm referring to.

Why Buccaneers didn’t use timeout with chance to get ball back at end of Lions loss

Todd Bowles must not believe in miracles.

nypost.com

We were all so puzzled watching that- so much that we assumed it was a mistake by the network's graphic team and Tampa didn't actually have a TO.

 

[Ilov80s]

I'd fire him. He quit.

The ball would have been somewhere around their own thirty-five at the least. You would have had twelve seconds left. What on earth. You run a play to get out of bounds and then throw a Hail Mary with Baker, who can throw the ball sixty yards. You give your team a chance.

Instead, with all that on the line, he chose not to. He folded his tent and quit.

I don't want that guy as my coach. I'm livid if I'm a GM or a player or anyone who has anything to do with anyone inside their building.

In the first half, when he punted instead of going for it on 4th we all felt like that's where he lost the game. Played scared.

 

[Hatch]

I'd fire him. He quit.

The ball would have been somewhere around their own thirty-five at the least. You would have had twelve seconds left. What on earth. You run a play to get out of bounds and then throw a Hail Mary with Baker, who can throw the ball sixty yards. You give your team a chance.

Instead, with all that on the line, he chose not to. He folded his tent and quit.

I don't want that guy as my coach. I'm livid if I'm a GM or a player or anyone who has anything to do with anyone inside their building.

I can't believe the media and sports talk shows haven't made a bigger deal of this.... As a fan of the NFL, I was screaming at the TV on how stupid the team was for not taking the TO. If I was the owner or GM I woulda have walked straight into the locker room and fired Bowles on the spot!!!!

 

[Ignoratio Elenchi]

I have to imagine the explanation is pretty simple. Detroit should have basically run the clock down to single digits before being forced to run a 4th down play. Knowing this, Bowles conceded to not waste everyone's time by calling a timeout (still not sure that's defensible, but I get it - Detroit theoretically should've been able to run around with the ball long enough to not give it back to the Bucs). Detroit inexplicably not using all of the clock on their kneeldowns didn't even register for Bowles, he'd already mentally checked out. Huge gaffes by both teams, imo. Bowles obviously should have used a timeout on third down but in his defense, who could have imagined Detroit would put him in a position to do so? I'd already changed the channel since there should've been no real opportunity for TB to get that ball back. I get the feeling Bowles had already changed the channel too. I mean, that's an inexcusable thing for an NFL head coach to do, I'm just guessing that's what happened.

 

[TampaMike19]

Once Bowles didn’t call a timeout on the first kneel it felt like a gentleman’s agreement. Unlike idiot Brandon Staley

 

[Spartans Rule]

Once Bowles didn’t call a timeout on the first kneel it felt like a gentleman’s agreement.

Yeah, I figured once the Lions see that, they're not monitoring the clock down to the second anymore.

If Bowles does take the timeout right away, maybe Goff has to wait a few seconds before kneeling each time, but the Lions can still kill the game without giving the ball back.

I don't really view this as "quitting" any more than when a basketball team stops fouling down 10 with 30 seconds to go.

 

[Hatch]

Well, I guess if my options are losing or getting the ball back with 1 second left at the 1 yard line with 99 yards to get a TD and still need a 2pt conversion... I still think the decision is an absolute no brainer...

 

[Hatch]

Once Bowles didn’t call a timeout on the first kneel it felt like a gentleman’s agreement.

Yeah, I figured once the Lions see that, they're not monitoring the clock down to the second anymore.

If Bowles does take the timeout right away, maybe Goff has to wait a few seconds before kneeling each time, but the Lions can still kill the game without giving the ball back.

I don't really view this as "quitting" any more than when a basketball team stops fouling down 10 with 30 seconds to go.

Any way you cut it... Bowles had an opportunity to call a timeout on 4th down with 35 seconds left...

 

[Gally]

This is what I'm referring to.

Why Buccaneers didn’t use timeout with chance to get ball back at end of Lions loss

Todd Bowles must not believe in miracles.

nypost.com

We were all so puzzled watching that- so much that we assumed it was a mistake by the network's graphic team and Tampa didn't actually have a TO.

We did the same. Someone had to look up the play-by-play to make sure they still had a TO left.

 

[Gally]

Made no sense not to take the timeout on third down after the Lions took a knee with like 30 seconds left on the clock (also made no sense for the Lions to put Bowles in a position to take a timeout with that much time on the clock).

This. I didn't fault him for not taking the timeout after the first kneel down. That was basically useless if Detroit used the full play clock after that. But since Detroit screwed up and left him 30 seconds left why not call the timeout and force a kick. Anything can happen then. That was the asinine part.

 

[Grahamburn]

@Joe Bryant

There's already an existing Todd Bowles thread and also proof the search function works!!

Bowles is 9-3 in his last 12 games with the Bucs. Two straight division titles and the inside track on a third after 4 games. Baker is resurrected. The defense is playing well without two of its best players.

Maybe give some of these guys more than one chance when they're stuck with awful franchises. Jets, Browns, Panthers, etc.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

@Joe Bryant

There's already an existing Todd Bowles thread and also proof the search function works!!

Bowles is 9-3 in his last 12 games with the Bucs. Two straight division titles and the inside track on a third after 4 games. Baker is resurrected. The defense is playing well without two of its best players.

Maybe give some of these guys more than one chance when they're stuck with awful franchises. Jets, Browns, Panthers, etc.

Meh!


GO BUCS!

 

[Joe Bryant]

@Joe Bryant

There's already an existing Todd Bowles thread and also proof the search function works!!

Bowles is 9-3 in his last 12 games with the Bucs. Two straight division titles and the inside track on a third after 4 games. Baker is resurrected. The defense is playing well without two of its best players.

Maybe give some of these guys more than one chance when they're stuck with awful franchises. Jets, Browns, Panthers, etc.

Nice!

When you posted, "Where's the Todd Bowles thread?" I didn't think we had one yet.

 

[Joe Bryant]

I also would be ecstatic as a Tampa Bay fan if I though the media was sleeping on our team.

Always best to be underestimated and keep stacking those wins.

 

[rockaction]

Todd Bowles leaves Godwin in the game down 41-31. Godwin suffers grevious bodily injury after Joe Buck and Aikman lectured him from the booth about it. Stupid.

Great job, Todd. Maybe we can draft another WSLB in the first round.

 

[Jppaul]

Todd Bowles leaves Godwin in the game down 41-31. Godwin suffers grevious bodily injury after Joe Buck and Aikman lectured him from the booth about it. Stupid.

Great job, Todd. Maybe we can draft another WSLB in the first round.

And announcers had just commented before that... Why is baker in the Game?

 

[rockaction]

It's so unfunny. This guy and Hackett. Everybody should be able to see it. Casual fans. That's why we (or I) start threads about the obviously overrated or underrated. See: Pacheco, Iosivas back before they made a team.

The threads are there to be made and talked about, fellas. Let's make them and make the SP better! Or at least more fun to chat about the obvious stuff within the game!!!!

 

[rockaction]

And everybody on this board should know that of all the players, Godwin is my favorite guy in football.

I want to seriously

****ing a, man. ****ing a.

eta* That was worded clunkily. You might know he's my favorite guy. You should know means that I should explain to you that he is. I meant it to serve as both, and it winds up presumptuous. No reason you should know anything. It just is that way.

 

[rockaction]

This guy is a landlubber moran.

I don't think he's irish

*But we won't give any land to the Irish!*

If you can name the movie . . .

 

[SoBeDad]

New NFL rule, only 2 onsides kicks per game. Now i agree with @rockaction

From Google AI Overview:

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Yes, the NFL's new kickoff rules limit teams to two onside kicks per game:

Onside kick attempts: Teams are limited to two attempts per game.

 

[rockaction]

New NFL rule, only 2 insides kicks per game. Now i agree with @rockaction

From Google AI Overview:

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Yes, the NFL's new kickoff rules limit teams to two onside kicks per game:

Onside kick attempts: Teams are limited to two attempts per game.

OLOR=var(--m3c11)]Yes, the NFL's new kickoff rules limit teams to two onsi

The. game. was. over.

Just like the playoff game wasn't.

Let's listen in to him now on ESPN.

 

[rockaction]

I let myself veer off the rails and have deleted the comments that were. Peace, y'all.

Awful coach.

 

[Desert_Power]

New NFL rule, only 2 onsides kicks per game. Now i agree with @rockaction

From Google AI Overview:

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Yes, the NFL's new kickoff rules limit teams to two onside kicks per game:

Onside kick attempts: Teams are limited to two attempts per game.

That’s an awful rule.

 

[ignatiusjreilly]

New NFL rule, only 2 onsides kicks per game. Now i agree with @rockaction

From Google AI Overview:

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Yes, the NFL's new kickoff rules limit teams to two onside kicks per game:

Onside kick attempts: Teams are limited to two attempts per game.

That’s an awful rule.

Disagree. The NFL needs to make sure the ends of games don't get too exciting

 

[Harry Frogfish]

I have no skin in this whatsoever. Don't play FF anymore, didn't bet it, nothing. I actually came here just to read the outrage. Surprised it's relatively quiet. I mean, the broadcasters have to keep quiet about it for the most part, sure, but here?

That was unbelievably stupid.

 

[ignatiusjreilly]

Todd Bowles leaves Godwin in the game down 41-31. Godwin suffers grevious bodily injury after Joe Buck and Aikman lectured him from the booth about it. Stupid.

Great job, Todd. Maybe we can draft another WSLB in the first round.

And announcers had just commented before that... Why is baker in the Game?

The initial decision was bad, although it was a bit of a freak injury. But why on earth did he run SIX additional plays after the injury?

• 1st & 10 at TB 39​

  (0:41 - 4th) (Shotgun) B.Mayfield pass incomplete deep right to T.Palmer.

• 2nd & 10 at TB 39​

  (0:36 - 4th) (Shotgun) B.Mayfield pass short left to C.Otton pushed ob at TB 48 for 9 yards (K.Hamilton).

• 3rd & 1 at TB 48​

  (0:30 - 4th) (Shotgun) B.Mayfield pass short right to S.Tucker ran ob at BLT 43 for 9 yards (R.Smith).

• 1st & 10 at BAL 43​

  (0:23 - 4th) Timeout #1 by BLT at 00:23.

• 1st & 10 at BAL 43​

  (0:23 - 4th) (Shotgun) B.Mayfield pass incomplete short right to J.McMillan (N.Wiggins).

• 2nd & 10 at BAL 43​

  (0:18 - 4th) (Shotgun) B.Mayfield pass incomplete short middle to S.Tucker.

• 3rd & 10 at BAL 43​

  (0:13 - 4th) (Shotgun) B.Mayfield scrambles up the middle to BLT 31 for 12 yards (K.Hamilton).

 

[Saint]

This guy is a landlubber moran.

I don't think he's irish

*But we won't give any land to the Irish!*

If you can name the movie . . .

Brutal for Godwin… awesome dude.

… and blazing saddles

 

[SoBeDad]

Disagree. The NFL needs to make sure the ends of games don't get too exciting

Both of McLaughlin's onsides kicks were perfect, a big bounce over the first wave of Ravens 10 yards away. I was hoping for a 3rd chance.

 

[rockaction]

I have no skin in this whatsoever. Don't play FF anymore, didn't bet it, nothing. I actually came here just to read the outrage. Surprised it's relatively quiet. I mean, the broadcasters have to keep quiet about it for the most part, sure, but here?

That was unbelievably stupid.

I've already moved on and am listening to Devo. Nothing, including a lack of reaction, surprises me anymore.

I'm sure teams have their starters in tons of games they can't win. I'm sure they leave All-Pros in along the line and in the backfield. Not enough guys to sub in. That Bowles left Godwin in, who takes a regular beating and is coming off an ACL about two years ago, seems stupid, but what do I know?

edited for public consumption. I'm sure tons of people read it. Don't care nor backing away. Just not what Joe is going for, I'm sure.

 

[Grahamburn]

Disagree. The NFL needs to make sure the ends of games don't get too exciting

Both of McLaughlin's onsides kicks were perfect, a big bounce over the first wave of Ravens 10 yards away. I was hoping for a 3rd chance.

That AI generated content is inaccurate. You can kick as many as you want as long as you’re trailing and it’s the 4th quarter.

Players play. I’m disgusted today. But, the players get paid to play. With hindsight? Yeah, I wish he’d have taken him out.

Honestly, it probably never even crossed his mind.

 

[Grahamburn]

I have no skin in this whatsoever. Don't play FF anymore, didn't bet it, nothing. I actually came here just to read the outrage. Surprised it's relatively quiet. I mean, the broadcasters have to keep quiet about it for the most part, sure, but here?

That was unbelievably stupid.

I've already moved on and am listening to Devo. Nothing, including a lack of reaction, surprises me anymore.

I'm sure teams have their starters in tons of games they can't win. I'm sure they leave All-Pros in along the line and in the backfield. Not enough guys to sub in. That Bowles left Godwin in, who takes a regular beating and is coming off an ACL about two years ago, seems stupid, but what do I know?

edited for public consumption. I'm sure tons of people read it. Don't care nor backing away. Just not what Joe is going for, I'm sure.

He has said something similar before when Winfield got hurt late in the Washington game. You only dress 45 guys. You can’t have a sub for everyone.

 

[rockaction]

I have no skin in this whatsoever. Don't play FF anymore, didn't bet it, nothing. I actually came here just to read the outrage. Surprised it's relatively quiet. I mean, the broadcasters have to keep quiet about it for the most part, sure, but here?

That was unbelievably stupid.

I've already moved on and am listening to Devo. Nothing, including a lack of reaction, surprises me anymore.

I'm sure teams have their starters in tons of games they can't win. I'm sure they leave All-Pros in along the line and in the backfield. Not enough guys to sub in. That Bowles left Godwin in, who takes a regular beating and is coming off an ACL about two years ago, seems stupid, but what do I know?

edited for public consumption. I'm sure tons of people read it. Don't care nor backing away. Just not what Joe is going for, I'm sure.

He has said something similar before when Winfield got hurt late in the Washington game. You only dress 45 guys. You can’t have a sub for everyone.

That math doesn't add up but I get what he's saying. You also need to sub for Godwin in this instance. There's really no excuse. Plenty of WR on the sideline. I don't want to litigate Bowles to death. I have my opinions of him and I'm fairly certain I'm right, but honest discussion about this guy is pretty much precluded.

 

[Capella]

I have no skin in this whatsoever. Don't play FF anymore, didn't bet it, nothing. I actually came here just to read the outrage. Surprised it's relatively quiet. I mean, the broadcasters have to keep quiet about it for the most part, sure, but here?

That was unbelievably stupid.

I've already moved on and am listening to Devo. Nothing, including a lack of reaction, surprises me anymore.

I'm sure teams have their starters in tons of games they can't win. I'm sure they leave All-Pros in along the line and in the backfield. Not enough guys to sub in. That Bowles left Godwin in, who takes a regular beating and is coming off an ACL about two years ago, seems stupid, but what do I know?

edited for public consumption. I'm sure tons of people read it. Don't care nor backing away. Just not what Joe is going for, I'm sure.

He has said something similar before when Winfield got hurt late in the Washington game. You only dress 45 guys. You can’t have a sub for everyone.

Take a knee, go home. Game was over. There were 3 other wideouts dressed if you still want to play it out. Just have Baker hand it to a RB. What was the point? Ugh. I’m so GD disappointed. Blew the whole season up for nothing. Guy was going to be an All-Pro.

 

[Grahamburn]

I have no skin in this whatsoever. Don't play FF anymore, didn't bet it, nothing. I actually came here just to read the outrage. Surprised it's relatively quiet. I mean, the broadcasters have to keep quiet about it for the most part, sure, but here?

That was unbelievably stupid.

I've already moved on and am listening to Devo. Nothing, including a lack of reaction, surprises me anymore.

I'm sure teams have their starters in tons of games they can't win. I'm sure they leave All-Pros in along the line and in the backfield. Not enough guys to sub in. That Bowles left Godwin in, who takes a regular beating and is coming off an ACL about two years ago, seems stupid, but what do I know?

edited for public consumption. I'm sure tons of people read it. Don't care nor backing away. Just not what Joe is going for, I'm sure.

He has said something similar before when Winfield got hurt late in the Washington game. You only dress 45 guys. You can’t have a sub for everyone.

Take a knee, go home. Game was over. There were 3 other wideouts dressed if you still want to play it out. Just have Baker hand it to a RB. What was the point? Ugh. I’m so GD disappointed. Blew the whole season up for nothing. Guy was going to be an All-Pro.

I don’t necessarily disagree.

I also don’t think most players/coaches are wired that way.

 

[Grahamburn]

I have no skin in this whatsoever. Don't play FF anymore, didn't bet it, nothing. I actually came here just to read the outrage. Surprised it's relatively quiet. I mean, the broadcasters have to keep quiet about it for the most part, sure, but here?

That was unbelievably stupid.

I've already moved on and am listening to Devo. Nothing, including a lack of reaction, surprises me anymore.

I'm sure teams have their starters in tons of games they can't win. I'm sure they leave All-Pros in along the line and in the backfield. Not enough guys to sub in. That Bowles left Godwin in, who takes a regular beating and is coming off an ACL about two years ago, seems stupid, but what do I know?

edited for public consumption. I'm sure tons of people read it. Don't care nor backing away. Just not what Joe is going for, I'm sure.

He has said something similar before when Winfield got hurt late in the Washington game. You only dress 45 guys. You can’t have a sub for everyone.

That math doesn't add up but I get what he's saying. You also need to sub for Godwin in this instance. There's really no excuse. Plenty of WR on the sideline. I don't want to litigate Bowles to death. I have my opinions of him and I'm fairly certain I'm right, but honest discussion about this guy is pretty much precluded.

I’m just explaining his mentality. He certainly could have taken every single starter out if he wanted to.

He doesn’t want to.

 

[rockaction]

I have no skin in this whatsoever. Don't play FF anymore, didn't bet it, nothing. I actually came here just to read the outrage. Surprised it's relatively quiet. I mean, the broadcasters have to keep quiet about it for the most part, sure, but here?

That was unbelievably stupid.

I've already moved on and am listening to Devo. Nothing, including a lack of reaction, surprises me anymore.

I'm sure teams have their starters in tons of games they can't win. I'm sure they leave All-Pros in along the line and in the backfield. Not enough guys to sub in. That Bowles left Godwin in, who takes a regular beating and is coming off an ACL about two years ago, seems stupid, but what do I know?

edited for public consumption. I'm sure tons of people read it. Don't care nor backing away. Just not what Joe is going for, I'm sure.

He has said something similar before when Winfield got hurt late in the Washington game. You only dress 45 guys. You can’t have a sub for everyone.

That math doesn't add up but I get what he's saying. You also need to sub for Godwin in this instance. There's really no excuse. Plenty of WR on the sideline. I don't want to litigate Bowles to death. I have my opinions of him and I'm fairly certain I'm right, but honest discussion about this guy is pretty much precluded.

I’m just explaining his mentality. He certainly could have taken every single starter out if he wanted to.

He doesn’t want to.

Gotcha, but his mentality is part of the discussion when it comes to whether he's a good coach or not. His mentality is the kind of mentality where you advocate for weakside linebackers as your number one pick and set your organization back three years by doing so.

I get it. I get where people like him as a coach. I don't really. And there's nothing more to say about that on my end.

 

[Grahamburn]

I have no skin in this whatsoever. Don't play FF anymore, didn't bet it, nothing. I actually came here just to read the outrage. Surprised it's relatively quiet. I mean, the broadcasters have to keep quiet about it for the most part, sure, but here?

That was unbelievably stupid.

I've already moved on and am listening to Devo. Nothing, including a lack of reaction, surprises me anymore.

I'm sure teams have their starters in tons of games they can't win. I'm sure they leave All-Pros in along the line and in the backfield. Not enough guys to sub in. That Bowles left Godwin in, who takes a regular beating and is coming off an ACL about two years ago, seems stupid, but what do I know?

edited for public consumption. I'm sure tons of people read it. Don't care nor backing away. Just not what Joe is going for, I'm sure.

He has said something similar before when Winfield got hurt late in the Washington game. You only dress 45 guys. You can’t have a sub for everyone.

That math doesn't add up but I get what he's saying. You also need to sub for Godwin in this instance. There's really no excuse. Plenty of WR on the sideline. I don't want to litigate Bowles to death. I have my opinions of him and I'm fairly certain I'm right, but honest discussion about this guy is pretty much precluded.

I’m just explaining his mentality. He certainly could have taken every single starter out if he wanted to.

He doesn’t want to.

Gotcha, but that is part of the discussion. His mentality is the kind of mentality where you advocate for weakside linebackers as your number one pick and set your organization back three years by doing so.

I get it. I get where people like him as a coach. I don't really. And there's nothing more to say about that on my end.

I don’t like him either and don’t believe the Bucs will ever be a legitimate contender if he’s the HC.

 

[rockaction]

I have no skin in this whatsoever. Don't play FF anymore, didn't bet it, nothing. I actually came here just to read the outrage. Surprised it's relatively quiet. I mean, the broadcasters have to keep quiet about it for the most part, sure, but here?

That was unbelievably stupid.

I've already moved on and am listening to Devo. Nothing, including a lack of reaction, surprises me anymore.

I'm sure teams have their starters in tons of games they can't win. I'm sure they leave All-Pros in along the line and in the backfield. Not enough guys to sub in. That Bowles left Godwin in, who takes a regular beating and is coming off an ACL about two years ago, seems stupid, but what do I know?

edited for public consumption. I'm sure tons of people read it. Don't care nor backing away. Just not what Joe is going for, I'm sure.

He has said something similar before when Winfield got hurt late in the Washington game. You only dress 45 guys. You can’t have a sub for everyone.

That math doesn't add up but I get what he's saying. You also need to sub for Godwin in this instance. There's really no excuse. Plenty of WR on the sideline. I don't want to litigate Bowles to death. I have my opinions of him and I'm fairly certain I'm right, but honest discussion about this guy is pretty much precluded.

I’m just explaining his mentality. He certainly could have taken every single starter out if he wanted to.

He doesn’t want to.

Gotcha, but that is part of the discussion. His mentality is the kind of mentality where you advocate for weakside linebackers as your number one pick and set your organization back three years by doing so.

I get it. I get where people like him as a coach. I don't really. And there's nothing more to say about that on my end.

I don’t like him either and don’t believe the Bucs will ever be a legitimate contender if he’s the HC.

Very fair. But upthread you're quoted as saying maybe guys deserve a second chance if their previous org was a dumpster fire.

That's also fair. The Jets stink from ownership on down.

So you're fair and in the clear either way, really. I think the Jets stink. I also think part of that stink was hiring Todd Bowles and that Todd Bowles is part of it rather than a casualty of it. My distinction needs to be made—yours really doesn't as your positions aren't mutually exclusive. You're fine.

Sorry about today. It must suck to wake up and either find this out or have gotten a rotten night's sleep over it. Terrible. I felt the same sickened way after last night watching the Jets wave at the Steelers as they ran past and the Jets looked . . . old af.

 

[Grahamburn]

Bowles’ Explanation

 

[wgoldsph]

I've already moved on and am listening to Devo.

No offense to anyone else, but that might be the be the best single response to a terrible coaching move ever.

Didn't see the game so I don't feel like I can weigh in outside of saying that I too am a huge Godwin fan. This year was what I /expected/ of him when healthy and he was going to get his dues. Then this... Just gross.

 

[Grahamburn]

I have no skin in this whatsoever. Don't play FF anymore, didn't bet it, nothing. I actually came here just to read the outrage. Surprised it's relatively quiet. I mean, the broadcasters have to keep quiet about it for the most part, sure, but here?

That was unbelievably stupid.

I've already moved on and am listening to Devo. Nothing, including a lack of reaction, surprises me anymore.

I'm sure teams have their starters in tons of games they can't win. I'm sure they leave All-Pros in along the line and in the backfield. Not enough guys to sub in. That Bowles left Godwin in, who takes a regular beating and is coming off an ACL about two years ago, seems stupid, but what do I know?

edited for public consumption. I'm sure tons of people read it. Don't care nor backing away. Just not what Joe is going for, I'm sure.

He has said something similar before when Winfield got hurt late in the Washington game. You only dress 45 guys. You can’t have a sub for everyone.

That math doesn't add up but I get what he's saying. You also need to sub for Godwin in this instance. There's really no excuse. Plenty of WR on the sideline. I don't want to litigate Bowles to death. I have my opinions of him and I'm fairly certain I'm right, but honest discussion about this guy is pretty much precluded.

I’m just explaining his mentality. He certainly could have taken every single starter out if he wanted to.

He doesn’t want to.

Gotcha, but that is part of the discussion. His mentality is the kind of mentality where you advocate for weakside linebackers as your number one pick and set your organization back three years by doing so.

I get it. I get where people like him as a coach. I don't really. And there's nothing more to say about that on my end.

I don’t like him either and don’t believe the Bucs will ever be a legitimate contender if he’s the HC.

Very fair. But upthread you're quoted as saying maybe guys deserve a second chance if their previous org was a dumpster fire.

That's also fair. The Jets stink from ownership on down.

So you're fair and in the clear either way, really. I think the Jets stink. I also think part of that stink was hiring Todd Bowles and that Todd Bowles is part of it rather than a casualty of it. My distinction needs to be made—yours really doesn't as your positions aren't mutually exclusive. You're fine.

Sorry about today. It must suck to wake up and either find this out or have gotten a rotten night's sleep over it. Terrible. I felt the same sickened way after last night watching the Jets wave at the Steelers as they ran past and the Jets looked . . . old af.

The team seems to lack the necessary consistency. One week he’s brilliant. The next he does something incredibly stupid and doesn’t seem to have a plan.

I think the players love him and play hard for him. I think he’s been a part of building a great culture.

Just don’t know that he has the extra gear to get them back to the promised land.

 

[rockaction]

No offense to anyone else, but that might be the be the best single response to a terrible coaching move ever.

Thank you, brother.

My reaction emoji is for your second paragraph. Awful. I'm an enormous Godwin fan, too.

 

[SoBeDad]

That AI generated content is inaccurate. You can kick as many as you want as long as you’re trailing and it’s the 4th quarter.

Yep, I mentioned that elsewhere. That was Google AI Review hallucinating for many. ChatGPT 4o got it right and cites sources.

 

[Capella]

I would like to point out that forgetting the Godwin thing for a second, it’s the second time in three games his defense has been shredded for over 500 yards. A defense with Vita, Yaya, Lavonte, Winfield and other very talented players. What’s the point of a defensive head coach if your defense is always getting shredded?

 

[Desert_Power]

I would like to point out that forgetting the Godwin thing for a second, it’s the second time in three games his defense has been shredded for over 500 yards. A defense with Vita, Yaya, Lavonte, Winfield and other very talented players. What’s the point of a defensive head coach if your defense is always getting shredded?

Interesting point. And that third game was against a rookie QB/very banged up offense.