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I'm a long time lurker but rarely if ever post. Feel free to check it out, i've been around for probably 20 years now. I figured i'd get a quick shot in before i faded away again. it was cheap and i don't like personal attacks but i couldn't help it. I'm weak. Mea culpa.
Human nature, not political affiliation, causes people to react emotionally to a variety of stimuli. Certainly Trump elicits a visceral reaction in many, causing them not to give credit, even when he get things right.
It will be facinating to see how History Views Trump. (At least once the memory of how annoying he is fades a bit and we judge him more on his acts then his behavior. There's no defending much of his behavior) Whether you like Trump or Hate Trump, he was different
I think the left is expected to take the high road, it's supposed to be part of their DNA, hell it was part of Hilary's campaigning (When they go low...). It was never expected of Trump. Look at his Twitter timeline over the last 4 years for all the evidence you'd ever need.
And not only that, but they are trying to take the high road. They are trying to reach out. They are saying they would like to work together. And yet, we see posts like this how "it's easier to take the high road when you are on top".
Well that was about the last time there were actually newspeople who actually REPORTED the news, not create their own versions and slant eveyrthing like todays media.
Yes. Clearly Hillary Clinton had taking the high road as part of her DNA...
The D word was an obvious mistake, but racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, Islamaphobic views should never be accepted as ok as a part of any healing process.
Hillary is still very bitter from losing to Trump and her spot in history. Looks like she will never get over it.
I have to agree, never in my life have I seen someone get so upset at losing an election that they're willing to violate all known protocols(and maybe a few laws?) to try and change it, despite officials from both parties stating no fraud occurred. For what it's worth, here on the ground where I am in Florida, everyone seems relatively chilled out, so that's a plus. Still, the faster the courts can stop this, the better.
There’s been two different sets of rules for my entire lifetime. The beltway media accepts republican daddies that have every right to throw the ashtray against the wall and democratic mommies who should clean everything up and make him a sandwich. It’s exhausting.Pitchfork said:
Your first sentence is likely true. However, your second sentence here is unfair in context, as the article linked above is from 2016 before the election. It's not a recent article.Da Guru said:
"Yes. We agree that Trump was cheated. Trump won the 2020 election". That's pretty much it. Past few days, the more I talk to my Trump friends/family.....the more I realize this thing hit them like a ton of bricks as they (despite what the polls said) felt there was NO WAY Biden could beat Trump in a fair election. It's beyond comprehension.gianmarco said:
And why do they believe this? Because their news sources told them so. Which brings us back to the central problem.
Exactly.
Actually the central problem is Trump started it and then there's other duly elected officials and organizations willing to amplify that line of thinking.
As has been pointed out many times on a variety of issues: Trump’s statements would be meaningless except for the fact that there are millions of people eager to accept them.
This is where my particular disconnect happens. The man lies nearly constantly, on easily verifiable stuff, too. Why would anyone believe someone who does that?
Because they don't think he's lying. As much as Joe diminishes the news side of this, Fox/Facebook/etc. do provide validity to what he/the Republican leadership say. I mean it's much the same feedback mechanism as the coastal elites and the NYTimes or CNN. I'd argue social media is an even stronger reinforcer than traditional media as the feedback loop is even quicker and self selecting, but I do think these social media platforms have made these feedback loops even stronger than the media landscape 20 years ago and further push away the two camps.
Maybe start with the 30%? That's 21 million people right there.
But the way things work right now, those 30% might just as well not exist. I'm guessing that if you are part of that 30% you hate me saying it, but you hate even more feeling it everyday. To get things done GOP elected officials can't fear that 70% to such a degree that they are unwilling to even look for common ground because that "weakness" gets them out of office. Unfortunately that has been the reality since the GOP went "populist", went "politiphobe" and reject the "contentious give-and-take of politics".
I agree completely. This isn't like an issue such as abortion or capital punishment, where I can at least understand the other side of the argument and there is valid debate to be had. We're talking about things that are objectively wrong like racism, covid being not a big deal, etc. Healing is not worth it if we have to pretend like these stances are ok for people to hold.
I think it is a losing proposition to wait for people to not hold horrible, dare I say deplorable positions before bringing them along as we as a nation try to heal and move forward. People are complex beings and we can use the good as we try to get past the bad. Besides sooner or later my flaws are going to expose themselves...
That's cool. I guess we quickly went in the other direction from 70% that are forever hopeless to 100%. Congrats on the Democrats' win. Good luck pushing your agenda facing another four years of partisanship.
This is what I was driving at when I posted before:
And it ain't just politics. The potential reach of one's platform has convinced far too many the universe is egocentric.
That's right. Only three Senators on the Republican side could have stopped any actions of the last four years. I can't think of one time they grew a spine and stood up to extremists.
What do you think about the fact dems have won the popular vote 7 out of 8 presidential elections? Not much to show for outvoting them. The system is structurally tilted and that in itself lends to some unwillingness to compromise. The Senate is regularly ruled by Republican Senators who have less collective votes than the Dems. Drives me crazy.
I guess it depends on what you mean by "campaign" but I think I disagree. If you believe in something strongly such a Gay Marriage in the recent past, or maybe you are big on FairTax like a few around here are, or a universal basic income like the smart
folks are around here, or pro Medicare for All, or whatever then I think it good that one advocates sometimes endlessly for that position. Granted if someone is arguing against you they probably aren't going to be convinced anytime soon (or ever), but maybe a lurker or two will join your position. Maybe we don't change much of the world from this "fake football" message board but it is not true that we don't change minds participating and how else are we supposed to gain an understanding of other perspectives - the empathy - if we don't engage? Sure those discussions can go bad just like any other; can turn inappropriately personal - guilty!; and some minds are never going to change; and there are plenty who don't like being anywhere near the mud that is just politics; and whatever else but those discussions are what is missed around here.
I don't see what it has to do with maintaining a well-mannered discourse about politics. I completely understand how frustrating it is to lose.
I like to see passionately researched, convincing arguments - much like a debate. In fact, as you so implied, I did indeed become an ardent supporter of UBI many years ago thanks to things I read here and elsewhere.I guess it depends on what you mean by "campaign" but I think I disagree. If you believe in something strongly such a Gay Marriage in the recent past, or maybe you are big on FairTax like a few around here are, or a universal basic income like the smart
But again maybe I missed your point!
