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No problem finding work? Maybe.As a quasi fan living here (wife is a fan and we have season tickets), I was hoping he would not be retained.Maybe it was Fisher, but I have not been all that impressed with Dinger's offense in quite some time.I think this team needed more of a fresh start (even with hiring the HC from within).
Even if the reasons for firing him were totally valid?
If you're going to critique, do us the courtesy of actually reading what was said:So he should have kept him just because he has cancer?Even if the reasons for firing him were totally valid?
He's supposedly in the clear, and he put together one of the most boring, conservative offenses in the NFL that failed to do anything to take advantage of the skill sets of Vince Young or Chris Johnson.Can't see any reason why his health should be a factor regardless. Thats more Bud Adams' karmic issue to deal with than Munchak's.
I read it too, came up with the same conclusion as GroveDiesel, reread it and didn't change my mind. I guess I must be obviously misreading this, but you seem to be suggesting that Heimerdinger should have been retained because of the cancer (irrespective of any other issue) or Munchak will face a karmic payback.If you're going to critique, do us the courtesy of actually reading what was said:So he should have kept him just because he has cancer?Even if the reasons for firing him were totally valid?
Exactly. For the OP to say something about 'not believing in Karma' he would have to be referring to Heimedinger's battle with cancer. What else would it be?I don't see why the Titans are obligated to keep him. They love him in the locker room, so that COULD be an issue, who knows? But do keep in mind that there is a long offseason upon us now, andI read it too, came up with the same conclusion as GroveDiesel, reread it and didn't change my mind. I guess I must be obviously misreading this, but you seem to be suggesting that Heimerdinger should have been retained because of the cancer (irrespective of any other issue) or Munchak will face a karmic payback.If you're going to critique, do us the courtesy of actually reading what was said:So he should have kept him just because he has cancer?Even if the reasons for firing him were totally valid?
Yeah, I'm just not getting it apparently, because it's like he's trying to come across as saying that maybe they made the right decision, but it's still kind of wrong or something. If it's the right decision it's the right decision. I mean, I understand that in a normal business environment if someone with cancer just got fired, that would suck. But in this case, the guy is still going to get paid for next year without having to do any work and most likely won't have too much of a problem getting another job in the NFL when he's back from fighting cancer. Not to mention that we really don't know what exactly went down either. Maybe Munchak said that he had concerns about Heimerdinger being able to handle all the duties of an OC at this point and offered to retain him as a position coach at his current salary and Heimerdinger refused to take the demotion.I read it too, came up with the same conclusion as GroveDiesel, reread it and didn't change my mind. I guess I must be obviously misreading this, but you seem to be suggesting that Heimerdinger should have been retained because of the cancer (irrespective of any other issue) or Munchak will face a karmic payback.If you're going to critique, do us the courtesy of actually reading what was said:So he should have kept him just because he has cancer?Even if the reasons for firing him were totally valid?
Thta's likely the biggest issue - it has to create a difficult dynamic.
Not commenting for Jason.I do think that would have been a fine reason to keep him around though. He's given the team a zillion years of productive work. Nothing wrong with supporting him in his time of need. There's a real difficult dynamic with a tough stubborn guy like Dinger. His family wants him to take time off and he probably wants to work even more. Supposedly they had to almost force him to go see a doc and that's why it was all last minute and all happened so fast. People seem to paint a picture of this guy that probably missed birthdays and anniversaries due to watching game film and then here they had to tell him to stop working and take it easy.So he should have kept him just because he has cancer?
What do you mean by "supporting him"? Keeping him in a role that you no longer think he is qualified for, to the detriment of the coaches, players, fans, and the owner spending millions and millions of dollars? If not, I'm not sure what else they can do to support him beyond what they're doing...giving him a salary, keeping his benefits, etc. I'd bet anything that if he hasn't found another job next year and he is still going through medical procedures, the Titans will make sure his medical bills keep getting paid.Not commenting for Jason.I do think that would have been a fine reason to keep him around though. He's given the team a zillion years of productive work. Nothing wrong with supporting him in his time of need. There's a real difficult dynamic with a tough stubborn guy like Dinger. His family wants him to take time off and he probably wants to work even more. Supposedly they had to almost force him to go see a doc and that's why it was all last minute and all happened so fast. People seem to paint a picture of this guy that probably missed birthdays and anniversaries due to watching game film and then here they had to tell him to stop working and take it easy.So he should have kept him just because he has cancer?
I don't disagree with what you're saying. I think it's good but also proper that the Titans pay him this year for many reasons. I think that if (and that seemed to be the gist of it) he has to be kept working, they could sure find something for him to do-productively not as a detriment but to use a knowledgable, experienced NFL mind in some fashion. I don't care if it's watching tape, scouting college guys etc.There sure is a fine line and I think that's what Jason meant is ya don't say "aww sorry you got cancer, feel better, oh and you're fired." That didn't happen which is why this tangent the thread is on is pretty silly. The NFL is absolutely a year to year thing for coaches, but the Titans staff is unique with many having been there a long time. Dinger left for Denver (as I understand it, not his choice GM wanted Chow) and returned to see many of the same faces. I don't think the profession matters though. You don't fire a career employee a couple months after he is diagnosed with cancer. You find an alternative work environment if necessary but you don't kick him to the curb. Again, this is a silly tangent, what you said about paying for a year is absolutely fine then he does have time to follow the doctor's orders and take care of himself etc.What do you mean by "supporting him"? Keeping him in a role that you no longer think he is qualified for, to the detriment of the coaches, players, fans, and the owner spending millions and millions of dollars? If not, I'm not sure what else they can do to support him beyond what they're doing...giving him a salary, keeping his benefits, etc. I'd bet anything that if he hasn't found another job next year and he is still going through medical procedures, the Titans will make sure his medical bills keep getting paid.Not commenting for Jason.I do think that would have been a fine reason to keep him around though. He's given the team a zillion years of productive work. Nothing wrong with supporting him in his time of need. There's a real difficult dynamic with a tough stubborn guy like Dinger. His family wants him to take time off and he probably wants to work even more. Supposedly they had to almost force him to go see a doc and that's why it was all last minute and all happened so fast. People seem to paint a picture of this guy that probably missed birthdays and anniversaries due to watching game film and then here they had to tell him to stop working and take it easy.So he should have kept him just because he has cancer?
Probably but Woodrow isn't a bad guy and many of us on this board have been chatting 5-10 years. His post doesn't indicate the he knew Dinger was getting paid still. Without the pay, it does have a different feel to it all.
Of course he's getting paid still. His contract wasn't up and coaching contracts are guaranteed. Pretty standard. Why wouldn't he have been paid?I'm not bashing Wood at all, I think he's one of the better staff members. Even if he wasn't, I've certainly said my share of goofy things and try to give people the benefit of the doubt. I just think that what he said here IS goofy.
Sorry if my initial response came off as terse GroveDiesel
Truth is the forums have been going a little batty (post Super Bowl reactionary stuff) and I probably was on a bit of pins and needles.A couple of things:1) I didn't realize he was still getting paid (although I should have known that, ) so yes, that makes this decision much less onerous2) Having not realized that, I was just thinking out loud that it's a COLD decision to fire a guy battling cancer3) You are, of course, right that cancer or not, Munchak needs to base his decision on whether Dinger can do the job
Terse? Dude, I hang out in the FFA most of the time. That was borderline man-love compared to the FFA.Sorry if my initial response came off as terse GroveDieselTruth is the forums have been going a little batty (post Super Bowl reactionary stuff) and I probably was on a bit of pins and needles.A couple of things:1) I didn't realize he was still getting paid (although I should have known that,
) so yes, that makes this decision much less onerous2) Having not realized that, I was just thinking out loud that it's a COLD decision to fire a guy battling cancer3) You are, of course, right that cancer or not, Munchak needs to base his decision on whether Dinger can do the job
I can certainly understand the sentiment. It was part of my initial reaction at first too. It's hard to not think of it as a kick in the teeth when a guy has cancer and then gets fired. It just happens that the NFL isn't a typical working environment and it's a case where it may actually work out BETTER for Dinger. If he wasn't still going to get his salary for 2011, it definitely would have seemed a lot colder if they just dumped him and that was the end of the story.
