Help me rank R. Moss, Boldin, Chambers, and Wayne (1 Viewer)

[JAMMIN]

My scoring is 1pt 10rush/rec, 6 pt per td, 0.5 pt per rec, and 4 pt bonus for 100 yd game

R. Moss -Looked bad in preseason so far. Brooks worries me but he is the most talented receiver I have ever seen. Remember the days where 100+ and 1 td were the norm.

Chambers- Will C-Pepp help his numbers or was the second half of last season a fluke. Could be huge!

Boldin- Best hands in the game and consistently gets 90+ catches a year. Will Edge hurt his numbers.

Wayne- Has Peyton Manning throwing and no Edge to vulture receptions. Does not seem to score enough Td's.

Right now I have them ranked

Moss

Boldin

Chambers

Wayne

Thanks for your rankings and any thoughts.

 

[TheWick]

I'd Go

Boldin

Wayne

Chambers

Moss

It'll be a mess in OAK this year

 

[Nigel Tufnel]

All I know is I like Boldin the most and that I'm souring on Moss. I like Wayne and Chambers equally.

 

[reg]

Boldin

Moss

Chambers

Wayne

 

[MLBrandow]

I'd GoBoldinWayneChambersMossIt'll be a mess in OAK this year

This is how I would rank them.BoldinWayneChambersMossBoldin is my #2FF WR this year, and Warner favors him over Fitz. When Warner goes down, you'll likely see Leinart in there and that will certainly downgrade Boldin a bit, but I would not be too worried about it. Boldin has exploded with Josh McCown and Jeff Blake, so I'm sure he'll be alright with Leinart later in the season. Plus, one figures that Arizona will certainly be out of contention by the time the fantasy playoffs come around, and so Denny Green is going to want to air it up a lot and see just what all Leinart has.Wayne/Chambers should put up pretty similar numbers, but ask yourself who you feel has the higher upside, and take that player. To me, Wayne has the chance to eclipse Harrison this year as Manning's primary target, while there is a risk of a hard flop in Miami.Moss is someone I would definitely avoid, as he's done in Oakland after this year. There's a good chance he might end up like Keyshawn or TO and be deactivated.He'll put up stud numbers here and there, but in all it's just too high of a risk for a 2nd/3rd round pick.

 

[phillzphan]

Moss

Chambers

Boldin

Wayne

book it.

 

[Kayoh]

Funny, I was rating them like this:

Chambers

Boldin

Wayne

Moss

Chris Chambers is the Go-To guy on his team, and I can't even name the #2 reciever on Miami. Boldin and Wayne are both great, but they're also both #2 recievers. Moss is a #1 reciever, but Brooks is no Culpepper, and he's lost his edge.

 

[Big Score]

Moss is someone I would definitely avoid, as he's done in Oakland after this year. There's a good chance he might end up like Keyshawn or TO and be deactivated.

No chance that happens with the new CBA in place.

NFLPA had rules put in there specifically to ensure that cannot happen again.

 

[Mystery Achiever]

MossChambersBoldinWaynebook it.

You're more confident than I, but this is mine,too.

 

[crowe1130]

Boldin

Wayne

Chambers

Moss

Hope I'm not overreacting to preseason here, but Oakland looks like they'll be in the Brady Quinn derby to me. Chambers could climb into the Boldin/Wayne grouping, but right now I feel the ARZ and IND offenses are just surer bets than MIA.

 

[Keys Myaths]

Hope I'm not overreacting to preseason here, but Oakland looks like they'll be in the Brady Quinn derby to me.

They will be, but people forget, they were this awful last year.Remember, Moss was one inch (a toe out of bounds) from catching about a 40 yarder in the last preseason game. He'll be fine...assuming he doesn't get hurt and shut down again.

 

[Magic Man]

Boldin

Moss

Chambers

Wayne

 

[SSOG]

Funny, I was rating them like this:

Chambers

Boldin

Wayne

Moss

Chris Chambers is the Go-To guy on his team, and I can't even name the #2 reciever on Miami. Boldin and Wayne are both great, but they're also both #2 recievers. Moss is a #1 reciever, but Brooks is no Culpepper, and he's lost his edge.

Marty Booker. You might remember him. He's the guy who caught 197 for 2254 and 14 scores over a two year span. In Chicago. With Shane Matthews, Jim Miller, Chris Chandler, Henry Burris, and Corey Sauter throwing him the ball. He also made the pro bowl in a year where he had 4 different QBs.I hate when people pretend that Chambers has no competition for passes here. As far as #2 WRs go, Marty Booker is a great one. There's also Randy McMichaels, too.

I rank them as follows:

Randy Moss. 1st, 2nd, 1st, 5th, 5th, 1st. That's where he's finished every year he didn't get injured. 19th, 15th. That's where he finished every year he *DID* get injured. If healthy, he's a stud #1. If he's injured, he's a solid #2. Low risk, high reward. Just imagine last year if someone told you that you could get Randy Moss as the 5th WR off the board- or possibly even later. I don't know about you, but I'd jump at the chance.

Anquan Boldin. I have him ranked above Fitz, even, since I think Edge will steal a lot of Fitz's red-zone production (both by vulturing short TDs, and by being involved in the passing game). Boldin's value has always been more yardage-based, which should mean Edge won't hurt it as much as Fitz's. Also, it gets lost in the shuffle, but while he and Fitz produced remarkably similar numbers last season... Boldin managed it despite missing two games. If he plays those two more games, I guarantee you it'd be no contest as to who was the better WR last year.

Reggie Wayne. He's solid. He's reliable. At this point, his position is clearly established. As long as Peyton's throwing the ball, he doesn't have much downside. As long as Marvellous Harrison is catching the ball, he doesn't have much upside. What he'll get you, though, is consistant WR1/stud WR2 numbers.

Chris Chambers. He caught 49% of the balls thrown his way last year. He caught 50% the year before, and 49% the year before that. He's just got bad concentration and bad hands. He finished well last year... because he led the league in targets. With as BRUTAL of a catch% as he's had, he'll need to lead the league in targets again to repeat- and I just don't see it happening.

Also worth noting for Chambers- through week 11, he was the 23rd ranked WR in the league. He then had back-to-back games where he averaged 26.95 points per game. Outside of those two games, he averaged 9.54 points per game on the season. Just something to be aware of.

 

[Warpig]

Funny, I was rating them like this:ChambersBoldinWayneMossChris Chambers is the Go-To guy on his team, and I can't even name the #2 reciever on Miami. Boldin and Wayne are both great, but they're also both #2 recievers. Moss is a #1 reciever, but Brooks is no Culpepper, and he's lost his edge.

You read my mind.

 

[Pat Patriot]

Funny, I was rating them like this:ChambersBoldinWayneMossChris Chambers is the Go-To guy on his team, and I can't even name the #2 reciever on Miami. Boldin and Wayne are both great, but they're also both #2 recievers. Moss is a #1 reciever, but Brooks is no Culpepper, and he's lost his edge.

Just because you are ignorant as to the 2nd receiver in Miami is not a reason to pick Chambers at the top of this list.BoldinMossChambersWayneAlthough Moss is sliding for me. I cant stand Aaron Brooks.

 

[Warpig]

Funny, I was rating them like this:

Chambers

Boldin

Wayne

Moss

Chris Chambers is the Go-To guy on his team, and I can't even name the #2 reciever on Miami. Boldin and Wayne are both great, but they're also both #2 recievers. Moss is a #1 reciever, but Brooks is no Culpepper, and he's lost his edge.

Marty Booker. You might remember him. He's the guy who caught 197 for 2254 and 14 scores over a two year span. In Chicago. With Shane Matthews, Jim Miller, Chris Chandler, Henry Burris, and Corey Sauter throwing him the ball. He also made the pro bowl in a year where he had 4 different QBs.I hate when people pretend that Chambers has no competition for passes here. As far as #2 WRs go, Marty Booker is a great one. There's also Randy McMichaels, too.

I rank them as follows:

Randy Moss. 1st, 2nd, 1st, 5th, 5th, 1st. That's where he's finished every year he didn't get injured. 19th, 15th. That's where he finished every year he *DID* get injured. If healthy, he's a stud #1. If he's injured, he's a solid #2. Low risk, high reward. Just imagine last year if someone told you that you could get Randy Moss as the 5th WR off the board- or possibly even later. I don't know about you, but I'd jump at the chance.

Anquan Boldin. I have him ranked above Fitz, even, since I think Edge will steal a lot of Fitz's red-zone production (both by vulturing short TDs, and by being involved in the passing game). Boldin's value has always been more yardage-based, which should mean Edge won't hurt it as much as Fitz's. Also, it gets lost in the shuffle, but while he and Fitz produced remarkably similar numbers last season... Boldin managed it despite missing two games. If he plays those two more games, I guarantee you it'd be no contest as to who was the better WR last year.

Reggie Wayne. He's solid. He's reliable. At this point, his position is clearly established. As long as Peyton's throwing the ball, he doesn't have much downside. As long as Marvellous Harrison is catching the ball, he doesn't have much upside. What he'll get you, though, is consistant WR1/stud WR2 numbers.

Chris Chambers. He caught 49% of the balls thrown his way last year. He caught 50% the year before, and 49% the year before that. He's just got bad concentration and bad hands. He finished well last year... because he led the league in targets. With as BRUTAL of a catch% as he's had, he'll need to lead the league in targets again to repeat- and I just don't see it happening.

Also worth noting for Chambers- through week 11, he was the 23rd ranked WR in the league. He then had back-to-back games where he averaged 26.95 points per game. Outside of those two games, he averaged 9.54 points per game on the season. Just something to be aware of.

Valid points as well.The thing with Chambers is that he got hot when most leagues would be in the playoffs. And McMichael got cold (since Chambers became the favorite). In weeks 12 - 15 he was huge and week 16 was respectable (5 rec for 75 yds...not TD's).

Boldin is a stud, but he'll have to fight for more touches this year with Edge and Pope in the mix now.

Wayne will probably consistently get you 1200 - 1300 yds and 5 - 6 Td's.

Moss is Moss, yes. But I'm not as high on him as others are. Brooks makes me want to puke because of his ignorance. I predict that Moss and Shell will clash once things start going badly in Oaktown.

 

[SSOG]

Valid points as well.The thing with Chambers is that he got hot when most leagues would be in the playoffs. And McMichael got cold (since Chambers became the favorite). In weeks 12 - 15 he was huge and week 16 was respectable (5 rec for 75 yds...not TD's).Boldin is a stud, but he'll have to fight for more touches this year with Edge and Pope in the mix now.Wayne will probably consistently get you 1200 - 1300 yds and 5 - 6 Td's.Moss is Moss, yes. But I'm not as high on him as others are. Brooks makes me want to puke because of his ignorance. I predict that Moss and Shell will clash once things start going badly in Oaktown.

I think he's drastically overrated just because he heated up in the playoffs. Players who perform huge over the last 5 games tend to be overrated going into the following season. He's done nothing to show that that incredible hot streak was anything more than a fluke.

 

[videoguy505]

I fear Santana Moss may finish higher than Randy.

 

[Q-Bert]

I fear Santana Moss may finish higher than Randy.

I don't fear it. I hope for it.

 

[massraider]

Hilarious.

Moss had a nightmare season last year, played with a QB that rarely threw it down the field, and a bad line. Missed a bunch of game.

And had a 1000 yards, and three more TD's than Wayne. Who played with Manning.

I hope Moss doesn't catch a ball this weekend, he might go undrafted.

 

[kal-el]

1) Wayne: Best passing offense in leauge; Harrison is 34; TD numbers bound to even out

2) Chambers: 4th most TD catches over last three years; yardage bound to go up with more consistent QB play

3) Moss: Don't trust Oakland offense

4) Boldin: Numbers have to do down to account for (1) Fitzgerald maturing and (2) better running game

 

[Kosar]

Hilarious. Moss had a nightmare season last year, played with a QB that rarely threw it down the field, and a bad line. Missed a bunch of game.And had a 1000 yards, and three more TD's than Wayne. Who played with Manning.I hope Moss doesn't catch a ball this weekend, he might go undrafted.

So, exactly which QB on the current Raider roster is better than K. Collins right now?

 

[massraider]

Hilarious. Moss had a nightmare season last year, played with a QB that rarely threw it down the field, and a bad line. Missed a bunch of game.And had a 1000 yards, and three more TD's than Wayne. Who played with Manning.I hope Moss doesn't catch a ball this weekend, he might go undrafted.

So, exactly which QB on the current Raider roster is better than K. Collins right now?

Collins is that much better than Brooks, huh? You shoulda watched more Raider games last year.

 

[Kosar]

Hilarious. Moss had a nightmare season last year, played with a QB that rarely threw it down the field, and a bad line. Missed a bunch of game.And had a 1000 yards, and three more TD's than Wayne. Who played with Manning.I hope Moss doesn't catch a ball this weekend, he might go undrafted.

So, exactly which QB on the current Raider roster is better than K. Collins right now?

Collins is that much better than Brooks, huh? You shoulda watched more Raider games last year.

Actually, I'd take Collins over Brooks every single time. You should be watching the preseason THIS year.

 

[SSOG]

Hilarious. Moss had a nightmare season last year, played with a QB that rarely threw it down the field, and a bad line. Missed a bunch of game.And had a 1000 yards, and three more TD's than Wayne. Who played with Manning.I hope Moss doesn't catch a ball this weekend, he might go undrafted.

So, exactly which QB on the current Raider roster is better than K. Collins right now?

Kerry Collins career comp%: 55.6Aaron Brooks career comp%: 56.4Kerry Collins career ypa: 6.6Aaron Brooks career ypa: 6.9Kerry Collins career TD:INT ratio: 1.04:1Aaron Brooks career TD:INT ratio: 1.43:1Aaron Brooks also has a demonstrated history of making stud WRs (Joe Horn anyone?).Any more stupid questions?

 

[Kosar]

Hilarious. Moss had a nightmare season last year, played with a QB that rarely threw it down the field, and a bad line. Missed a bunch of game.And had a 1000 yards, and three more TD's than Wayne. Who played with Manning.I hope Moss doesn't catch a ball this weekend, he might go undrafted.

So, exactly which QB on the current Raider roster is better than K. Collins right now?

Kerry Collins career comp%: 55.6Aaron Brooks career comp%: 56.4Kerry Collins career ypa: 6.6Aaron Brooks career ypa: 6.9Kerry Collins career TD:INT ratio: 1.04:1Aaron Brooks career TD:INT ratio: 1.43:1Aaron Brooks also has a demonstrated history of making stud WRs (Joe Horn anyone?).Any more stupid questions?

Yep, and history will save Brooks this year.Any more meaningless stats?

 

[massraider]

Hilarious. Moss had a nightmare season last year, played with a QB that rarely threw it down the field, and a bad line. Missed a bunch of game.And had a 1000 yards, and three more TD's than Wayne. Who played with Manning.I hope Moss doesn't catch a ball this weekend, he might go undrafted.

So, exactly which QB on the current Raider roster is better than K. Collins right now?

Collins is that much better than Brooks, huh? You shoulda watched more Raider games last year.

Actually, I'd take Collins over Brooks every single time. You should be watching the preseason THIS year.

Yeah, I watched all 9 pass attempts.I'm not drafting any Raiders--well, exfept for Johnnie Morant in the 3rd round.I hope Hank Baskett is there for me at the end of the 1st round! What a steal that would be!

 

[H.K.]

My scoring is 1pt 10rush/rec, 6 pt per td, 0.5 pt per rec, and 4 pt bonus for 100 yd game

R. Moss -Looked bad in preseason so far. Brooks worries me but he is the most talented receiver I have ever seen. Remember the days where 100+ and 1 td were the norm.

Chambers- Will C-Pepp help his numbers or was the second half of last season a fluke. Could be huge!

Boldin- Best hands in the game and consistently gets 90+ catches a year. Will Edge hurt his numbers.

Wayne- Has Peyton Manning throwing and no Edge to vulture receptions. Does not seem to score enough Td's.

Right now I have them ranked

Moss

Boldin

Chambers

Wayne

Thanks for your rankings and any thoughts.

Given your scoring system, I concur with your rankings. TD's and yardage are the premium, .5 PPR won't have as great an impact as 1 PPR might in this scenario. Plus, the bonus for 100 yard games tilts the scales in Moss' favor to be your #1 in the group.

 

[JAMMIN]

Wow this is split pretty evenly. I ranked Randy #1 just because he has the highest ceiling and due to the fact he is the most explosive of this group. Brooks should get better as time goes on. Remember Brooks helped Joe Horn to a few pro bowls. I also don't take much stock in the preseason.

On the other hand Chambers could absolutely explode this year. I keep dreaming of C-Pepp throwing him bomb after bomb and Chambers performing circus like catches. I never have seen Wayne as a top receiver and am suprised to see so many people think he is going to overtake Marvin as the #1 THIS YEAR. I also don't see Boldin getting as many opportunities as last year with Edge taking some of the offense.

 

[Carter_Can_Fly]

Hilarious. Moss had a nightmare season last year, played with a QB that rarely threw it down the field, and a bad line. Missed a bunch of game.And had a 1000 yards, and three more TD's than Wayne. Who played with Manning.I hope Moss doesn't catch a ball this weekend, he might go undrafted.

So, exactly which QB on the current Raider roster is better than K. Collins right now?

Collins is that much better than Brooks, huh? You shoulda watched more Raider games last year.

Actually, I'd take Collins over Brooks every single time. You should be watching the preseason THIS year.

Yeah, I watched all 9 pass attempts.I'm not drafting any Raiders--well, exfept for Johnnie Morant in the 3rd round.I hope Hank Baskett is there for me at the end of the 1st round! What a steal that would be!

 

[Carter_Can_Fly]

Hilarious. Moss had a nightmare season last year, played with a QB that rarely threw it down the field, and a bad line. Missed a bunch of game.And had a 1000 yards, and three more TD's than Wayne. Who played with Manning.I hope Moss doesn't catch a ball this weekend, he might go undrafted.

So, exactly which QB on the current Raider roster is better than K. Collins right now?

Kerry Collins career comp%: 55.6Aaron Brooks career comp%: 56.4Kerry Collins career ypa: 6.6Aaron Brooks career ypa: 6.9Kerry Collins career TD:INT ratio: 1.04:1Aaron Brooks career TD:INT ratio: 1.43:1Aaron Brooks also has a demonstrated history of making stud WRs (Joe Horn anyone?).Any more stupid questions?

Yep, and history will save Brooks this year.Any more meaningless stats?

Since when are those stats not significant to fantasy football??? You just got owned and had no better response.

 

[SSOG]

Yep, and history will save Brooks this year.Any more meaningless stats?

When were we talking about saving Brooks? And what were we talking about saving him from? You just asked which Oakland QB was better than Kerry Collins, and I pointed out that maybe it was the one with a better comp%, ypa, TD:Int ratio, TDs per game, Ints per game, yards per game passing, yards per game rushing, rushing TDs per game, yards per carry, and winning percentage than Collins.You can even call Brooks a loser if you want, but it's a fact that before last season he had a .500 career winning percentage on some pretty putrid New Orleans teams (28th, 28th, 14th, 26th, and 27th ranked scoring defenses), and also quarterbacked the only playoff win in franchise history (tossing 4 TDs in it, to boot).Oh crap, I'm sorry guys. I forgot that in order to be cool I had to mindlessly bash Aaron Brooks and pretend he's one of the bottom 5 QBs in the NFL, entirely ignorant of reality. Seriously, the dude has no heart. I'd rather start Ryan Leaf. Am I forgiven?

 

[el centro]

BoldinMossChambers Wayne

Ditto this

 

[GiantsRule]

Hilarious. Moss had a nightmare season last year, played with a QB that rarely threw it down the field, and a bad line. Missed a bunch of game.And had a 1000 yards, and three more TD's than Wayne. Who played with Manning.I hope Moss doesn't catch a ball this weekend, he might go undrafted.

So, exactly which QB on the current Raider roster is better than K. Collins right now?

Collins is that much better than Brooks, huh? You shoulda watched more Raider games last year.

Actually, I'd take Collins over Brooks every single time. You should be watching the preseason THIS year.

Yeah, I watched all 9 pass attempts.I'm not drafting any Raiders--well, exfept for Johnnie Morant in the 3rd round.I hope Hank Baskett is there for me at the end of the 1st round! What a steal that would be!

Yeah, you go ahead and waste early picks on crapshoots. I'll stick with the sure thing: Mike Bell!

 

[Delusions Of Adequacy]

BoldinMossChambers Wayne

What he said.In a ppr league Boldin is golden.

 

[Sticks2u]

I would say Boldin, Wayne, Moss-Chambers because they both have new QB's......

And yes I would like to see Walters play over brooks I think...

 

[massraider]

Hilarious. Moss had a nightmare season last year, played with a QB that rarely threw it down the field, and a bad line. Missed a bunch of game.And had a 1000 yards, and three more TD's than Wayne. Who played with Manning.I hope Moss doesn't catch a ball this weekend, he might go undrafted.

So, exactly which QB on the current Raider roster is better than K. Collins right now?

Collins is that much better than Brooks, huh? You shoulda watched more Raider games last year.

Actually, I'd take Collins over Brooks every single time. You should be watching the preseason THIS year.

Yeah, I watched all 9 pass attempts.I'm not drafting any Raiders--well, exfept for Johnnie Morant in the 3rd round.I hope Hank Baskett is there for me at the end of the 1st round! What a steal that would be!

Yeah, you go ahead and waste early picks on crapshoots. I'll stick with the sure thing: Mike Bell!

Now you're cooking with fire!!

 

[Buttmonkey]

Hilarious. Moss had a nightmare season last year, played with a QB that rarely threw it down the field, and a bad line. Missed a bunch of game.And had a 1000 yards, and three more TD's than Wayne. Who played with Manning.I hope Moss doesn't catch a ball this weekend, he might go undrafted.

So, exactly which QB on the current Raider roster is better than K. Collins right now?

Collins is that much better than Brooks, huh? You shoulda watched more Raider games last year.

Actually, I'd take Collins over Brooks every single time. You should be watching the preseason THIS year.

Yeah, I watched all 9 pass attempts.I'm not drafting any Raiders--well, exfept for Johnnie Morant in the 3rd round.I hope Hank Baskett is there for me at the end of the 1st round! What a steal that would be!

Yeah, you go ahead and waste early picks on crapshoots. I'll stick with the sure thing: Mike Bell!

Now you're cooking with fire!!

OMG. In one of my leagues I have Basket and Bell on my roster. I guess I'm drinking the kool-aid a little too much. (Their reserve players - but still)

 

[dlptown]

Moss

Boldin

Wayne

Chambers

-I've owned Boldin, Chambers and Wayne over the last couple of years, but I still believe that Randy's upside is too attractive- plus, Porter is a big ? and he isn't competing with Fitz, McMichael and Harrison

 

[Shiver44]

Kerry Collins career comp%: 55.6Aaron Brooks career comp%: 56.4Kerry Collins career ypa: 6.6Aaron Brooks career ypa: 6.9Kerry Collins career TD:INT ratio: 1.04:1Aaron Brooks career TD:INT ratio: 1.43:1Aaron Brooks also has a demonstrated history of making stud WRs (Joe Horn anyone?).Any more stupid questions?

Andrew Walter, their QB.O.T.F, will be starting by the halfway point in the season. So by proving that Aaron Brooks is mildly better than Kerry Collins, it doesn't help Moss' Fantasy value. Besides, Moss already has been singing the praises of Walter, while feuding with Brooks, who "wont throw him the ball every damn time." That Oakland situation is a mess.Not only the QB dilema, or the injuries. Moss doesn't have the same upside. Regardless of how the QB situation ends up, none of them will be up to the caliber Moss had in Minnesota. The Raiders decade old offensive system. The fact that he is playing all his games on grass and not astroturf, where he isn't as explosive. I could go on and on. Moss is a gamble.

 

[SSOG]

Kerry Collins career comp%: 55.6Aaron Brooks career comp%: 56.4Kerry Collins career ypa: 6.6Aaron Brooks career ypa: 6.9Kerry Collins career TD:INT ratio: 1.04:1Aaron Brooks career TD:INT ratio: 1.43:1Aaron Brooks also has a demonstrated history of making stud WRs (Joe Horn anyone?).Any more stupid questions?

Andrew Walter, their QB.O.T.F, will be starting by the halfway point in the season. So by proving that Aaron Brooks is mildly better than Kerry Collins, it doesn't help Moss' Fantasy value. Besides, Moss already has been singing the praises of Walter, while feuding with Brooks, who "wont throw him the ball every damn time." That Oakland situation is a mess.Not only the QB dilema, or the injuries. Moss doesn't have the same upside. Regardless of how the QB situation ends up, none of them will be up to the caliber Moss had in Minnesota. The Raiders decade old offensive system. The fact that he is playing all his games on grass and not astroturf, where he isn't as explosive. I could go on and on. Moss is a gamble.

Maybe, maybe not. That wasn't the question. The question was "So, exactly which QB on the current Raider roster is better than K. Collins right now?", and the answer was "Aaron Brooks".In the end, though, I think Randy Moss is Randy Moss. Doesn't really matter so much who is throwing him the ball, since he's such a freak. Stud WRs have proven in the past that they can produce with no-name QBs. Just as the most recent example... Marc Bulger all of weeks 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 10, and 11 last season. The rest of the season was some combination of Jamie Martin and Ryan Fitzpatrick. Torry Holt averaged 14.65 points per game with Bulger at the helm... and 11.65 points per game without him. Even if you prorate that 11.65 number to a full 16 game season, that would have been good enough for the #8 overall fantasy WR last year.There's no question that having a green QB starting would hurt his value... but at the same time, studs are still studs, no matter who is at the helm.

 

[massraider]

Kerry Collins career comp%: 55.6Aaron Brooks career comp%: 56.4Kerry Collins career ypa: 6.6Aaron Brooks career ypa: 6.9Kerry Collins career TD:INT ratio: 1.04:1Aaron Brooks career TD:INT ratio: 1.43:1Aaron Brooks also has a demonstrated history of making stud WRs (Joe Horn anyone?).Any more stupid questions?

Besides, Moss already has been singing the praises of Walter, while feuding with Brooks, who "wont throw him the ball every damn time."

People are now making stuff up. unreal.Moss hasn't been feuding with anyone, and has been a model citizen all summer.How good a guy has he been? The only "proof" that Moss doubters have is that he wanted to play more in a meaningless game. THe fact is, Moss has taken on a leadership role on this offense, and has resumed talking to the media, and has publicly supported his coach, AND Brooks.Doesn't mean things are going to be rosy, but some poor blocking by the O-line in the preseason doesn't mean the entire team is on the verge of lynching Brooks.

 

[Big Score]

People are now making stuff up. unreal.

Moss hasn't been feuding with anyone, and has been a model citizen all summer.

Moss & model citizen just do not go together. I think it was only a month ago where he said he'd rather be playing for Baltimore or Atlanta, than the Raiders.

Yesterday on ESPN he was criticizing the play calling and said he could care less about the organization.

But yeah, other than that, he's been a model citizen for the Raiders.

 

[Hue G]

People are now making stuff up. unreal.

Moss hasn't been feuding with anyone, and has been a model citizen all summer.

Moss & model citizen just do not go together. I think it was only a month ago where he said he'd rather be playing for Baltimore or Atlanta, than the Raiders.

Yesterday on ESPN he was criticizing the play calling and said he could care less about the organization.

But yeah, other than that, he's been a model citizen for the Raiders.

I think last year was the beginning of the end for Randy Moss, I think the main issue there is the fact that his poor work ethic is catching up to him. He's been able to rely on his unbelievable talent in the past and hasn't learned how to keep his body in shape or learned how to run routes, if you look at recievers that have been successful in the NFL for a long periods of time both of those qualities are ALWAYS in place, with Moss they never have been and I doubt they ever will be.

I won't be touching R. Moss with a 10 foot pole in any of my drafts unless he falls like 3 rounds below his ADP which won't happen.

 

[Kosar]

Yep, and history will save Brooks this year.Any more meaningless stats?

When were we talking about saving Brooks? And what were we talking about saving him from? You just asked which Oakland QB was better than Kerry Collins, and I pointed out that maybe it was the one with a better comp%, ypa, TD:Int ratio, TDs per game, Ints per game, yards per game passing, yards per game rushing, rushing TDs per game, yards per carry, and winning percentage than Collins.You can even call Brooks a loser if you want, but it's a fact that before last season he had a .500 career winning percentage on some pretty putrid New Orleans teams (28th, 28th, 14th, 26th, and 27th ranked scoring defenses), and also quarterbacked the only playoff win in franchise history (tossing 4 TDs in it, to boot).Oh crap, I'm sorry guys. I forgot that in order to be cool I had to mindlessly bash Aaron Brooks and pretend he's one of the bottom 5 QBs in the NFL, entirely ignorant of reality. Seriously, the dude has no heart. I'd rather start Ryan Leaf. Am I forgiven?

We'll see.

 

[Kosar]

Yep, and history will save Brooks this year.Any more meaningless stats?

When were we talking about saving Brooks? And what were we talking about saving him from? You just asked which Oakland QB was better than Kerry Collins, and I pointed out that maybe it was the one with a better comp%, ypa, TD:Int ratio, TDs per game, Ints per game, yards per game passing, yards per game rushing, rushing TDs per game, yards per carry, and winning percentage than Collins.You can even call Brooks a loser if you want, but it's a fact that before last season he had a .500 career winning percentage on some pretty putrid New Orleans teams (28th, 28th, 14th, 26th, and 27th ranked scoring defenses), and also quarterbacked the only playoff win in franchise history (tossing 4 TDs in it, to boot).Oh crap, I'm sorry guys. I forgot that in order to be cool I had to mindlessly bash Aaron Brooks and pretend he's one of the bottom 5 QBs in the NFL, entirely ignorant of reality. Seriously, the dude has no heart. I'd rather start Ryan Leaf. Am I forgiven?

You're talking about everything in the past. I said nothing about his past accomplishments. I'm talking about THIS year. He will not be starting very long, even if he wins the job for week 1. You act as if I am the only who thinks this.Decaf, dude, decaf.

 

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[SSOG]

Yep, and history will save Brooks this year.Any more meaningless stats?

When were we talking about saving Brooks? And what were we talking about saving him from? You just asked which Oakland QB was better than Kerry Collins, and I pointed out that maybe it was the one with a better comp%, ypa, TD:Int ratio, TDs per game, Ints per game, yards per game passing, yards per game rushing, rushing TDs per game, yards per carry, and winning percentage than Collins.You can even call Brooks a loser if you want, but it's a fact that before last season he had a .500 career winning percentage on some pretty putrid New Orleans teams (28th, 28th, 14th, 26th, and 27th ranked scoring defenses), and also quarterbacked the only playoff win in franchise history (tossing 4 TDs in it, to boot).Oh crap, I'm sorry guys. I forgot that in order to be cool I had to mindlessly bash Aaron Brooks and pretend he's one of the bottom 5 QBs in the NFL, entirely ignorant of reality. Seriously, the dude has no heart. I'd rather start Ryan Leaf. Am I forgiven?

You're talking about everything in the past. I said nothing about his past accomplishments. I'm talking about THIS year. He will not be starting very long, even if he wins the job for week 1. You act as if I am the only who thinks this.Decaf, dude, decaf.

I wasn't talking at all about how long he'd be starting this season. You asked who the better quarterback was. Since I can't see the future, and he's not doing anything at the present moment, the only way I know to answer that question is to base my answer on the PAST.Okay, sure, it's possible that Aaron Brooks spontaneously combusts tomorrow... but at this point in time, based on their career history, Aaron Brooks leads Kerry Collins in the following categories:completion percentageyards per gameyards per game rushingyards per attemptyards per carryTDs per gameTD:INT ratioWinning percentageand Kerry Collins leads Aaron Brooks in the following categories:INTs per gameFrom where I sit, Aaron Brooks is a clear and unequivocable upgrade over Kerry Collins. I'm not saying he's going to keep his starting job all season, I'm saying that pretending that Aaron Brooks is one of the five worst QBs in the entire NFL is utterly disingenuous.