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HERD's NFL Mock Draft - Version 2.0 (1 Viewer)

Colin Dowling

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I'll post my commentary as the tread gets moving, rather then writing out a comment on everyone.

A few note thoug before the picks...

1. I don't think the Henry/Shelton deal is going to get done. If it hinges on the Cards selecting a Round 1 RB if one is there, I think they'll get the RB they're after.

2. Sorry, I'm not buying that Cleveland is starting the season with Dilfer and McCown as the only QBs of note on the roster. No Way.

3. I don't want the Titans taking a Corner, but I can't deny the 'noise' that it will happen.

4. Denver's 2nd round pick will be the most overdiscussed rookie this season.

5. Matt Jones is going to get selected highly, but some of the fervor will die down. Where he ends up will also be highly discussed in fantasy circles.

Enjoy.

HERD's NFL MOCK Version 2.0 - Post Combines and Workouts - First 2 rounds

Round 1

1. San Fransisco - Aaron Rodgers - QB - Cal

2. Miami - Ronnie Brown - RB - Auburn

3. Cleveland - ALex Smith - QB - Utah

4. Chicago - Braylon Edwards - WR - Michigan

5. Tampa Bay - Mike Williams - WR - USC

6. Tennessee - Adam Jones - CB - WVU

7. Minnesota - Cedric Benson - RB - UTexas

8. Arizona - Carnell Williams - RB - Auburn

9. Houston (via Wash) - Shawne Merriman - DE/LB - Maryland

10. Detroit - Derrick Johnson - LB - UTexas

11. Dallas - Marcus Spears - DE - LSU

12. San Diego - Antrell Rolle - CB - UMiami

13. Washington - Troy WIlliamson -WR - USC

14. Carolina - Travis Johnson - DT - FSU

15. Kansas City (via Houston) - Carlos Rogers - CB - Auburn

16. New Orleans - Alex Barron - OT - FSU

17. Cincinatti - Erasmus James - DE - Wisconsin

18. Minnesota - Dan Cody - DE - OU

19. St. Louis - Mark Clayton - WR - OU

20. Dallas - Khalif Barnes - OT - Stanford

21. Jacksonville - David Pollack - DE - UGA

22. Baltimore - Roddy White - WR - UAB

23. Seattle - Matt Roth - DE - Iowa

24. Green Bay - Thomas Davis - FS - UGA

25. Denver - Justin Miller - CB - Clemson

26. New York Jets - Shaun Cody - DL - USC

27. Atlanta Falcons - Jammal Brown - OT - OU

28. San Diego - Demarcus Ware - DE/LB - Troy State

29. Indianapolis - Luis Castillo - DT - Northwestern

30. Pittsburgh - Heath Miller - TE - UVA

31. Philadelphia - Odell Thurman - LB - UGA

32. New England - Fabian Washington - CB - Nebraska

Round 2

1. San Fransisco - David Bass - G - Michigan

2. Cleveland - Channing Crowder - ILB - UF

3. Philadelphia (via Miami) - Elton Brown - G - UVA

4. Tampa Bay - Ciatrick Fason - RB - UF

5. Tennessee - Jason Campbell - QB - Auburn

6. Oakland - Attiyah Ellison - DT - Missouri

7. Chicago - Marcus Johnson - OG - Mississippi

8. New Orleans - Kevin Burnett - LB - UTenn

9. Detroit - Brodney Pool - FS - Okalahoma

10. Dallas - Marlin Jackson - CB - Michigan

11. New York Giants - Mike Patterson - DT - USC

12. Arizona - Eric Green - CB - VTech

13. Carolina - CJ Mosley - DT - Missouri

14. Kansas City - Barrett Ruud - LB - Nebraska

15. Houston - Corey Webster - CB - LSU

16. Cincinatti - Antajj Hawthorne - DT - UWis

17. Minnesota - Matt Jones - WR - Ark

18. St. Louis - Justin Tuck - DE - Notre Dame

19. Green Bay - Charlie Frye - QB - Akron

20. Jacksonville - Reggie Brown - WR - UGA

21. Baltimore - Jonathan Babineaux- DT - Iowa

22. Seattle - Ernest Shazor - SS - Michigan

23. Buffalo - Alex Smith - TE - Stanford

24. Denver - JJ Arrington - RB - Cal

25. New York Jets - Brandon Browner - DB - OSU

26. Green Bay - Chris Canty - DE - UVA

27. Atlanta - Mike Nugent - K - OSU

28. Indianapolis - Daryl Blackstock - LB - UVA

29. San Diego - Chris Henry - WR - WVU

30. Pittsburgh - Bryant McFadden - CB - FSU

31. Philadelphia - Marion Barber III - RB - Minnesota

32. New England - Vincent Jackson - WR - Northern Colorada

 
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Look solid. A real nice mock.Do you see the Niners standing pat in spite of the recent "they'll take a RB or WR if they can't trade down" talk or do you see another team moving up for Rogers?

 
Hey ColinFor some reason Cedric Benson sacares me and I really dont want the Vikes to pick him. I think I would rather have the guy that beat out Ronnie Brown as the starter (Cadillac).I like getting Dan Cody @ 18 and I am really intrigued with Matt Jones as the Vikings 2nd Round pick

 
Also, for the Cards, if the picks came off before #8 as you predict, I think they would in fact take Cadillac, but IMO they'd think long and hard about selecting Derrick Johnson as well.

 
Look solid. A real nice mock.

Do you see the Niners standing pat in spite of the recent "they'll take a RB or WR if they can't trade down" talk or do you see another team moving up for Rogers?
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I think that SF, Miami, and Cleveland would like everyone to think that they are taking Braylon Edwards or an RB. However, the rest of the top 10 know that no one is interested in paying a WR #1 money, and thus a bit of collusion is likely to take place IMO, meaning no one in the top-3 is sliding down. I could see Arizona trading up for Smith, but there isn't any theat that Chicago will take him and Tampa and Tenn are longshots. I just don't think anyone wants the #1.

Colin

 
This is strong..... very strong.Don't be shocked to see Baas go to Pittsburgh in round 1 if Miller is off the board. They need OL depth in the worst way with Vincent and Ross gone - Starks is unproven and Simmons is an "out for the season" waiting to happen, it seems. Baas gives them tremendous versatility, as he can play C or G - if Khalif Barnes or Jammal Brown were to slip, they'd be looked at as well.

 
This draft would be a dream for dynasty owners with high rookie picks. All of the three marquee backs end up in good situations (and I think Benson to the Vikes is a good situation), while the 2nd tier of backs (Fason, Barber, Arrington) end up in situations that magnify their value as well.Folks with picks #4-#8 are going to be loving life as their picks would be getting much more valuable.

 
Look solid. A real nice mock.

Do you see the Niners standing pat in spite of the recent "they'll take a RB or WR if they can't trade down" talk or do you see another team moving up for Rogers?
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I think that SF, Miami, and Cleveland would like everyone to think that they are taking Braylon Edwards or an RB. However, the rest of the top 10 know that no one is interested in paying a WR #1 money, and thus a bit of collusion is likely to take place IMO, meaning no one in the top-3 is sliding down. I could see Arizona trading up for Smith, but there isn't any theat that Chicago will take him and Tampa and Tenn are longshots. I just don't think anyone wants the #1.

Colin
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Makes sense although as a Cardinals homer, my take is that the Cardinals trading up is very unlikely. Denny just values his picks too highly and always feels that by going "best player available" he can squeeze good value out of every pick.For the Cards to trade up they'd have to be absolutely in love with a player and they'd be more likely to trade up by throwing in a player, than with picks. Both Green and GM Rod Graves have said over and over that their goal in this draft is to acquire more picks, and that they are not looking to give picks up.

 
Nugent has slid out of you 2nd round? Say it ain't so.
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I think he could get picked up by Atlanta in Round 2. Tennessee in round 3 is a possibility as well. I don't think there is ANY chance he gets by the Vikings #4 (3rd round) pick.Colin

 
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I think a trade that makes sense would be for the Vikings to move into the Browns' spot at 3 to take Mike Williams with the Browns to take a little bonus to move down to 8 to take Derrick Johnson. The Browns have too many holes to worry about a future QB at this point. Maybe they take a Jason Campbell when they move down. The Browns have been very active this offseason with the dealing and cutting so I'd be surprised if they stand pat at 3. Alex Smith looks real good though. Reminds me of a bigger more athletic Jeff Garcia.

 
I was going to say switch the 18th and 19th pick around but I see you have the Vikings takeing Matt Jones in the 2nd. I see this as good Mock. It is fit for the vikings (Might be 100% on the vikings picks)I do not think the vikings will draft Nuggent in the 2nd round. They will if he is there in the 3rd if not they will draft kicker later. :horns:

 
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I think a trade that makes sense would be for the Vikings to move into the Browns' spot at 3 to take Mike Williams with the Browns to take a little bonus to move down to 8 to take Derrick Johnson. The Browns have too many holes to worry about a future QB at this point. Maybe they take a Jason Campbell when they move down. The Browns have been very active this offseason with the dealing and cutting so I'd be surprised if they stand pat at 3. Alex Smith looks real good though. Reminds me of a bigger more athletic Jeff Garcia.
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My head tells me that Merriman, Speers, or DJohnson is the better choice for the Browns. No disagreement there.But my gut says they aren't going in to the season with those QBs, and picking a rookie that isn't in the top-2 of this class is no guarantee that that player will EVER be useful.

Colin

 
Looking good Colin. I'll save my explicit analysis for my next mock, but we agree in plenty of spots. One thing, although I've been singing his praises all offseason, I think this Pac Man Jones' probably falls into the mid 1st IF these rumors have any legs. In any event, I personally think Tennessee takes Alex Barron (which some will call a reach, but I don't think Reese is afraid of sticking with his own draft board) either at the 6 spot, or down a few via trade.

 
Looking good Colin. I'll save my explicit analysis for my next mock, but we agree in plenty of spots. One thing, although I've been singing his praises all offseason, I think this Pac Man Jones' probably falls into the mid 1st IF these rumors have any legs. In any event, I personally think Tennessee takes Alex Barron (which some will call a reach, but I don't think Reese is afraid of sticking with his own draft board) either at the 6 spot, or down a few via trade.
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This day was motoring along nicely until you suggested that Tennessee is going to take the only guy in the draft I want them to select LESS than Adam Jones. :X

 
There is no way, IMO, that Cincy takes 2 DL in the first 2 rounds. I would bet a lot of money that they trade down in the first to take either Thomas Davis or David Baas. Then they go DL in round 2. If they go DL in round 1, look for Ernest Shazor or possibly Matt Jones (as a TE) in round 2.

 
My hope is that the Chargers take Williamson at #12 if Spears is gone (or even if he's not). I would also love it if Ware was there at #28.The Vikings seem like an ideal team to trade up, either to the Browns or Bucs. I have a feeling Gruden would give up BMW for Cadillac and a draft pick.It's not good for FF, but Denver and Philly would be thrilled to get Arrington and Barber in the late 2nd.

 
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There is no way, IMO, that Cincy takes 2 DL in the first 2 rounds. I would bet a lot of money that they trade down in the first to take either Thomas Davis or David Baas. Then they go DL in round 2. If they go DL in round 1, look for Ernest Shazor or possibly Matt Jones (as a TE) in round 2.
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You may well be right. I think that both players I have them selecting are BPAs considering their team needs. Also, while it seems boring to take a DE and a DT in the first 2 rounds, I think teams are starting to realize that a strong Dline can more than make up for other defensive weaknesses and is as good a place as any to start taking a "decent" defense to a "scary" defense. COlin

 
Looking good Colin. I'll save my explicit analysis for my next mock, but we agree in plenty of spots. One thing, although I've been singing his praises all offseason, I think this Pac Man Jones' probably falls into the mid 1st IF these rumors have any legs. In any event, I personally think Tennessee takes Alex Barron (which some will call a reach, but I don't think Reese is afraid of sticking with his own draft board) either at the 6 spot, or down a few via trade.
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This day was motoring along nicely until you suggested that Tennessee is going to take the only guy in the draft I want them to select LESS than Adam Jones. :X
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LOL, sorry to #### on your day. Not my intent, but I had Barron going to the Titans in my current spreadsheet with a big ??? mark, and then seeing Bongo's latest comments it kind of cemented the possibility in my mind. I'm still having trouble believing the first OT won't come off the board until after the 1st ten picks as most mocks suggest.
 
Ok,did I miss something today? Did Houston and Washington make a trade today that I didn't know about, or was this just your "what could happen" theory. If so, what did Houston give up to move up in the draft?TIA,Lee

 
Nice job, as a Vikes fan in Vikes country it looks reasonable from their end. Personally I love the Benson pick for them. They are in the right spot with the right need for Matt Jones too. Was thinking that myself the lest couple days.EDIT to say: I hope they wouldn't pass on Shazor in the 2nd though. I like him and Chavous looks used up.

 
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Ok,did I miss something today? Did Houston and Washington make a trade today that I didn't know about, or was this just your "what could happen" theory. If so, what did Houston give up to move up in the draft?

TIA,

Lee
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I made it up. I think Houston is going to head north looking for Merriman, Spears, or Barron. I think the prospect of staying pat and staring at a bunch of similarly ranked 4-3 DEs is not appealing in the least to them. Washington seemed like a reasonable partner.Colin

 
Ok,did I miss something today? Did Houston and Washington make a trade today that I didn't know about, or was this just your "what could happen" theory. If so, what did Houston give up to move up in the draft?

TIA,

Lee
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I made it up. I think Houston is going to head north looking for Merriman, Spears, or Barron. I think the prospect of staying pat and staring at a bunch of similarly ranked 4-3 DEs is not appealing in the least to them. Washington seemed like a reasonable partner.Colin
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Your notion about Houston trading is probably a good one. I have done several GM mock drafts and 13 seems like a dead spot of the very top prosepcts for them being gone and the Texans having to force either a need or BPA pick. Casserly had a sound bite on local Houston radio stating that they are unlikely to pick at 13 and depending on the draft fell in the top ten they would move up or down on the clock.

As for Washington, I don't know if there is still resentment, but it has been rumored that Casserly did not exactly like the manner Synder treated him and those two team have had little or no dealings since that time.

 
Good mock, Colin, as usual.I know the Stillers have a need for a TE, and the hype machine for Matt Jones is kinda out of control, but it just strikes me as more likely they take a chance at converting Jones into a WR (with huge upside, and commensurate risk) than take the consensus best TE in an admittedly weak TE class. They have the history (with Ward, Randle-El, and dare-I-mention-him Slash).Just a thought from a homer...

 
I think a trade that makes sense would be for the Vikings to move into the Browns' spot at 3 to take Mike Williams with the Browns to take a little bonus to move down to 8 to take Derrick Johnson. The Browns have too many holes to worry about a future QB at this point. Maybe they take a Jason Campbell when they move down. The Browns have been very active this offseason with the dealing and cutting so I'd be surprised if they stand pat at 3. Alex Smith looks real good though. Reminds me of a bigger more athletic Jeff Garcia.
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My head tells me that Merriman, Speers, or DJohnson is the better choice for the Browns. No disagreement there.But my gut says they aren't going in to the season with those QBs, and picking a rookie that isn't in the top-2 of this class is no guarantee that that player will EVER be useful.

Colin
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So picking a player in the top two in this class is a guarantee that player WILL be useful?Randy Lerner just finished paying Tim Couch millions of dollars with ZERO return. You don't think he'd be a little gun shy about pulling the trigger on another QB that high again?

IMO, the chances of the Browns taking a QB at #3 is slim to none. Too many holes elsewhere especially on defense (last in the NFL against the run last year).

 
I like this one. Makes a lot of sense.For the Saints: They have made a few signings which lead me to believe that they will look at OT in round 1. Smith, Fisher and Hodge all add depth on the defensive side. They could go defense, as you have Burnett (who I would be thrilled by), in the 2nd. Maybe BPA on defense though....I'm inclined to believe they will grab a QB like Frye or Greene, if he becomes available in the 3rd though. Just a hunch.

 
I believe you have Mike Patterson going 11 and 21 in the second round.

Other than that it looks pretty good.
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It's:Mike Patterson, DT, USC

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Mike PAtterson, DT, USC

With the "a" capitalized on the one going to the Ravens, it's clear they are different people.

 
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surprised you have the Jets going DL in the first... With the needs in the secondary and on the offensive line, I would have thought they would address those needs first.. Unless you see them trading John Abraham...any chance they use Abraham to move up..he is supposedly not happy with the french-fries tag the Jets just slapped on him

 
As a Redskins fan, I wouldn't be opposed to trading down, but I'm not sold on Williamson. The Skins have speed at the WR spot, they need more of a Mike Williams type of WR. Patten, Moss and Jacobs are more speed guys if anything. Adding another speed guy in Williamson might be overkill. I'd prefer drafting Carlos Rogers in that trade with Houston scenario, or staying put and taking Merriman. At 270 lbs, I don't think he's a OLB/DE tweener anymore, he's a legit DE.

 
surprised you have the Jets going DL in the first... With the needs in the secondary and on the offensive line, I would have thought they would address those needs first.. Unless you see them trading John Abraham...

any chance they use Abraham to move up..he is supposedly not happy with the french-fries tag the Jets just slapped on him
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Especially with one of the big 3 OT's still on the board...If the 3 tackles are all gone then I could see it....

I know they were looking at Mosely - I also know that means little....

 
As a Redskins fan, I wouldn't be opposed to trading down, but I'm not sold on Williamson. The Skins have speed at the WR spot, they need more of a Mike Williams type of WR. Patten, Moss and Jacobs are more speed guys if anything. Adding another speed guy in Williamson might be overkill.

I'd prefer drafting Carlos Rogers in that trade with Houston scenario, or staying put and taking Merriman. At 270 lbs, I don't think he's a OLB/DE tweener anymore, he's a legit DE.
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I could see them holding pat and taking Merriman very easily. Colin

 
Do you think Merriman is a legit 270+ or he's going to drop back down to the 250 range when he's playing full time?

 
I believe you have Mike Patterson going 11 and 21 in the second round.

Other than that it looks pretty good.
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Fixed. I"ve been working this order for 3 days. Can't believe I didn't notice that.Also, this brings Nugent in to Round 2 (to the Falcons) which is the highest spot I see him going.

Colin

 
Looks good, except I would have a hard time seeing the Vikings passing on Clayton at #18. I think they might, if they knew they could get Jones in round 2, but they can't so I would think they take Clayton.

 
Browns are not going to draft a QB. It would probably be the worst pick they could make. Remember its Savage there now not the morons from years before.

 
I've thought it for awhile, but I firmly believe the 9ers will take Smith. Rodgers is more pro-ready, but Smith has the upside, IMO, & that's what they like. They're also flying Brandon Lloyd & Arnaz Battle to workout Smith again. It looks like they're close to making a final decision.I think Rodgers could really fall if Arizona doesn't jump on him. Anyway, this is one of the more interesting drafts in years from a mock perspective.

 
BROWNS FANS:

I understand the logic in thinking that a QB isn't going to Cleveland 3rd overall. I really do. I think Spears, Merriman, Johnson, a WR, or even a solid Olineman would make a ton of sense. Heck, even Antrell Rolle would be fitting.

However, IIRC, the QBs on the roster are Trent Dilfer and Luke McCown. I simply CAN NOT envision a scenario where a new coach and new front office looking to make a fresh start for a city that truly loves its football would gamble that Jason Campbell, Charlie Frye, or David Greene will end up on its roster with a later pick.

I think that the person who will be the "starter" for the Browns by Thanksgiving is NOT currently on the roster. If it was a Vet, they would have already brought him in. So, logic says they're going to add a rookie.

The Browns may not have the talent to win 10 games this year, but they could conceivably be WORSE than last year if Dilfer is expected to be the starter. I'm not saying I don't like Dilfer. I actually think he is a quality performer. But to count on him staying (a) productive and (b) healthy for 17 weeks is a scary proposition. Would things be even better to end up with the 1st or 2nd pick next year and then, be FORCED to take a QB (Leinart, Jacobs, Young ;) ) when Kiwanuka, Ferguson, or Winston would be there?

So, I'm asking Browns fans, while the team has MAJOR needs at other spots, isn't QB a major need too? The Tim Couch thing shouldn't have left a bad taste because he never should have been run out of town. Couch threw too many interceptions, yes, but he was not a bad QB considering the circumstances).

Colin

 
I wouldn't be shocked to see Dallas taking a guy like Matt Jones in the 2nd round instead of a CB. I even think they'd be more prone to take a LB in the 2nd over a CB.

 
Until then, I'll continue trying to value players the way I think they'll actually go, not the way other people think they'll go. ;)
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Sounds good to me. Care to join Wood in wagering a twenty spot with me that Jones won't go in the top 40? Since you're projecting him #48, you could be off by quite a bit and still cover.Jones top #40, I win.

Jones #41 or later - shoot me your paypal addy.

A small wager amongst friends always makes the NFL draft more intriguing.... :D

 
Until then, I'll continue trying to value players the way I think they'll actually go, not the way other people think they'll go.  ;)
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Sounds good to me. Care to join Wood in wagering a twenty spot with me that Jones won't go in the top 40? Since you're projecting him #48, you could be off by quite a bit and still cover.Jones top #40, I win.

Jones #41 or later - shoot me your paypal addy.

A small wager amongst friends always makes the NFL draft more intriguing.... :D
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Not right now. Lets talk the week of the draft.Colin

 
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I understand the logic in thinking that a QB isn't going to Cleveland 3rd overall. I really do. I think Spears, Merriman, Johnson, a WR, or even a solid Olineman would make a ton of sense. Heck, even Antrell Rolle would be fitting.

However, IIRC, the QBs on the roster are Trent Dilfer and Luke McCown. I simply CAN NOT envision a scenario where a new coach and new front office looking to make a fresh start for a city that truly loves its football would gamble that Jason Campbell, Charlie Frye, or David Greene will end up on its roster with a later pick.

I think that the person who will be the "starter" for the Browns by Thanksgiving is NOT currently on the roster. If it was a Vet, they would have already brought him in. So, logic says they're going to add a rookie.

The Browns may not have the talent to win 10 games this year, but they could conceivably be WORSE than last year if Dilfer is expected to be the starter. I'm not saying I don't like Dilfer. I actually think he is a quality performer. But to count on him staying (a) productive and (b) healthy for 17 weeks is a scary proposition. Would things be even better to end up with the 1st or 2nd pick next year and then, be FORCED to take a QB (Leinart, Jacobs, Young ;) ) when Kiwanuka, Ferguson, or Winston would be there?

So, I'm asking Browns fans, while the team has MAJOR needs at other spots, isn't QB a major need too? The Tim Couch thing shouldn't have left a bad taste because he never should have been run out of town. Couch threw too many interceptions, yes, but he was not a bad QB considering the circumstances).

Colin
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I am not a Browns fan, but a Great defense will always keep you in the game.IF the Oline can get some holes open, then I see a decent running game and Dilfer being, well, Dilfer. McCown is not a bad prospect, adn IMO Campbell is decent draft pick in the 2nd. I truly do not think he is that far off from Smith or Rogers...

Draft Smit/Rogers, you have a bench sitter for at LEAST one season, if not two. Draft DJ, Rolle, Jones.. you have a starter day one. Something the Browns desperately need.

Add in the Crenell factor and the Savage factor who might be the #1 fan of Defense wins championships.... Drafting a QB will send the BRowns back another couple years IMO. :yucky:

 
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I understand the logic in thinking that a QB isn't going to Cleveland 3rd overall.  I really do.  I think Spears, Merriman, Johnson, a WR, or even a solid Olineman would make a ton of sense.  Heck, even Antrell Rolle would be fitting.

However, IIRC, the QBs on the roster are Trent Dilfer and Luke McCown.  I simply CAN NOT envision a scenario where a new coach and new front office looking to make a fresh start for a city that truly loves its football would gamble that Jason Campbell, Charlie Frye, or David Greene will end up on its roster with a later pick. 

I think that the person who will be the "starter" for the Browns by Thanksgiving is NOT currently on the roster.  If it was a Vet, they would have already brought him in.  So, logic says they're going to add a rookie. 

The Browns may not have the talent to win 10 games this year, but they could conceivably be WORSE than last year if Dilfer is expected to be the starter.  I'm not saying I don't like Dilfer.  I actually think he is a quality performer.  But to count on him staying (a) productive and (b) healthy for 17 weeks is a scary proposition.  Would things be even better to end up with the 1st or 2nd pick next year and then, be FORCED to take a QB (Leinart, Jacobs, Young  ;) ) when Kiwanuka, Ferguson, or Winston would be there?

So, I'm asking Browns fans, while the team has MAJOR needs at other spots, isn't QB a major need too?  The Tim Couch thing shouldn't have left a bad taste because he never should have been run out of town.  Couch threw too many interceptions, yes, but he was not a bad QB considering the circumstances).

Colin
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I am not a Browns fan, but a Great defense will always keep you in the game.IF the Oline can get some holes open, then I see a decent running game and Dilfer being, well, Dilfer. McCown is not a bad prospect, adn IMO Campbell is decent draft pick in the 2nd. I truly do not think he is that far off from Smith or Rogers...

Draft Smit/Rogers, you have a bench sitter for at LEAST one season, if not two. Draft DJ, Rolle, Jones.. you have a starter day one. Something the Browns desperately need.

Add in the Crenell factor and the Savage factor who might be the #1 fan of Defense wins championships.... Drafting a QB will send the BRowns back another couple years IMO. :yucky:
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What happens when San Fran takes a position other than QB in the 1st and takes Campbell at 2.01? Do you overpay for Frye? Or pray that Greene makes it to round 3? Or hope McPherson can come in and develop REALLY quickly?Colin

 
Browns are not going to draft a QB. It would probably be the worst pick they could make. Remember its Savage there now not the morons from years before.
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Phil Savage was instrumental in the Ravens decision to draft Kyle Boller and give up the following year's #1. He's hardly anti-QB early, nor will he be afraid to take a player at a position just because the previous regime failed at the same position (i.e., Couch).
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I understand the logic in thinking that a QB isn't going to Cleveland 3rd overall. I really do. I think Spears, Merriman, Johnson, a WR, or even a solid Olineman would make a ton of sense. Heck, even Antrell Rolle would be fitting.

However, IIRC, the QBs on the roster are Trent Dilfer and Luke McCown. I simply CAN NOT envision a scenario where a new coach and new front office looking to make a fresh start for a city that truly loves its football would gamble that Jason Campbell, Charlie Frye, or David Greene will end up on its roster with a later pick.

I think that the person who will be the "starter" for the Browns by Thanksgiving is NOT currently on the roster. If it was a Vet, they would have already brought him in. So, logic says they're going to add a rookie.

The Browns may not have the talent to win 10 games this year, but they could conceivably be WORSE than last year if Dilfer is expected to be the starter. I'm not saying I don't like Dilfer. I actually think he is a quality performer. But to count on him staying (a) productive and (b) healthy for 17 weeks is a scary proposition. Would things be even better to end up with the 1st or 2nd pick next year and then, be FORCED to take a QB (Leinart, Jacobs, Young ;) ) when Kiwanuka, Ferguson, or Winston would be there?

So, I'm asking Browns fans, while the team has MAJOR needs at other spots, isn't QB a major need too? The Tim Couch thing shouldn't have left a bad taste because he never should have been run out of town. Couch threw too many interceptions, yes, but he was not a bad QB considering the circumstances).

Colin
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:goodposting: As I've said for some time, the Browns are one of a handful of teams (Miami and SF are others) that have the enviable position of being able to draft a franchise QB and let him develop for a year or two. An entire new regime (GM and coaching staff) means that expectations of an immediate success are diminished. Savage is going to do his best to turn Cleveland into a perennial winner, and won't be deluded into thinking he has to somehow win in 2005 at the expense of building the franchise back to health.

If they really see Rodgers or Smith as a franchise caliber QB (we don't know if they do, but for argument sake), I don't think they'll have any problem pulling the trigger and explaining to fans it was the right move.

 
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