Jason Wood
Zoo York
LOL at Gunz, at least you're funny :rotflmao:
So now you'll be lucky if Matt Jones falls to you at 28
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So now you'll be lucky if Matt Jones falls to you at 28
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Colin Dowling
Footballguy
I also wonder what happens if Smith or Rodgers slips down to 9 or 10. Would this be a scenario where they do what Baltimore did with Boller and give up 2006 #1 (or whatever) for a shot at the free-falling QB?ColinPhil Savage was instrumental in the Ravens decision to draft Kyle Boller and give up the following year's #1. He's hardly anti-QB early, nor will he be afraid to take a player at a position just because the previous regime failed at the same position (i.e., Couch).BROWNS FANS:
I understand the logic in thinking that a QB isn't going to Cleveland 3rd overall. I really do. I think Spears, Merriman, Johnson, a WR, or even a solid Olineman would make a ton of sense. Heck, even Antrell Rolle would be fitting.
However, IIRC, the QBs on the roster are Trent Dilfer and Luke McCown. I simply CAN NOT envision a scenario where a new coach and new front office looking to make a fresh start for a city that truly loves its football would gamble that Jason Campbell, Charlie Frye, or David Greene will end up on its roster with a later pick.
I think that the person who will be the "starter" for the Browns by Thanksgiving is NOT currently on the roster. If it was a Vet, they would have already brought him in. So, logic says they're going to add a rookie.
The Browns may not have the talent to win 10 games this year, but they could conceivably be WORSE than last year if Dilfer is expected to be the starter. I'm not saying I don't like Dilfer. I actually think he is a quality performer. But to count on him staying (a) productive and (b) healthy for 17 weeks is a scary proposition. Would things be even better to end up with the 1st or 2nd pick next year and then, be FORCED to take a QB (Leinart, Jacobs, Young) when Kiwanuka, Ferguson, or Winston would be there?
So, I'm asking Browns fans, while the team has MAJOR needs at other spots, isn't QB a major need too? The Tim Couch thing shouldn't have left a bad taste because he never should have been run out of town. Couch threw too many interceptions, yes, but he was not a bad QB considering the circumstances).
ColinAs I've said for some time, the Browns are one of a handful of teams (Miami and SF are others) that have the enviable position of being able to draft a franchise QB and let him develop for a year or two. An entire new regime (GM and coaching staff) means that expectations of an immediate success are diminished. Savage is going to do his best to turn Cleveland into a perennial winner, and won't be deluded into thinking he has to somehow win in 2005 at the expense of building the franchise back to health.
If they really see Rodgers or Smith as a franchise caliber QB (we don't know if they do, but for argument sake), I don't think they'll have any problem pulling the trigger and explaining to fans it was the right move.
Jason Wood
Zoo York
I think several teams would give up a 1st in 2006 for one of these guys in that scenario. Certainly a team like the Packers would have to consider such a move.I also wonder what happens if Smith or Rodgers slips down to 9 or 10. Would this be a scenario where they do what Baltimore did with Boller and give up 2006 #1 (or whatever) for a shot at the free-falling QB?ColinPhil Savage was instrumental in the Ravens decision to draft Kyle Boller and give up the following year's #1. He's hardly anti-QB early, nor will he be afraid to take a player at a position just because the previous regime failed at the same position (i.e., Couch).BROWNS FANS:
I understand the logic in thinking that a QB isn't going to Cleveland 3rd overall. I really do. I think Spears, Merriman, Johnson, a WR, or even a solid Olineman would make a ton of sense. Heck, even Antrell Rolle would be fitting.
However, IIRC, the QBs on the roster are Trent Dilfer and Luke McCown. I simply CAN NOT envision a scenario where a new coach and new front office looking to make a fresh start for a city that truly loves its football would gamble that Jason Campbell, Charlie Frye, or David Greene will end up on its roster with a later pick.
I think that the person who will be the "starter" for the Browns by Thanksgiving is NOT currently on the roster. If it was a Vet, they would have already brought him in. So, logic says they're going to add a rookie.
The Browns may not have the talent to win 10 games this year, but they could conceivably be WORSE than last year if Dilfer is expected to be the starter. I'm not saying I don't like Dilfer. I actually think he is a quality performer. But to count on him staying (a) productive and (b) healthy for 17 weeks is a scary proposition. Would things be even better to end up with the 1st or 2nd pick next year and then, be FORCED to take a QB (Leinart, Jacobs, Young
So, I'm asking Browns fans, while the team has MAJOR needs at other spots, isn't QB a major need too? The Tim Couch thing shouldn't have left a bad taste because he never should have been run out of town. Couch threw too many interceptions, yes, but he was not a bad QB considering the circumstances).
Colin
If they really see Rodgers or Smith as a franchise caliber QB (we don't know if they do, but for argument sake), I don't think they'll have any problem pulling the trigger and explaining to fans it was the right move.
= me if the jets spend ANOTHER 1st round pick on a D-lineman. i realize that we lost ferguson, but we have so many other positions of needif fabian washington, marlin jackson and heath miller are available, there is no way we can go D-line, especially a tweener like Cody
msommer
Footballguy
Not a Browns fan but I could easily see them go qb at #3 if their guy is their and have Dilfer teach him the ropes in 2005 for him to take over in 2006. Savage knows Dilfer, knows what he can and cannot do - manage the game used to be one of the things he did well. With Droughns and Suggs taking on the running game, with an improved O-line with three young if unspectacular receivers, I could also see them go for DJ if they felt that they could not get a Crowder at 2.02- getting DJ would probably involve a move down though.I just don't see Crennel throwing a rookie to the wolves in week 1.my $.0.02Edited to correct pick in second round
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Colin Dowling
Footballguy
Why? The Packers will be selecting Kyle Orton in the 1st round.I think several teams would give up a 1st in 2006 for one of these guys in that scenario. Certainly a team like the Packers would have to consider such a move.I also wonder what happens if Smith or Rodgers slips down to 9 or 10. Would this be a scenario where they do what Baltimore did with Boller and give up 2006 #1 (or whatever) for a shot at the free-falling QB?ColinPhil Savage was instrumental in the Ravens decision to draft Kyle Boller and give up the following year's #1. He's hardly anti-QB early, nor will he be afraid to take a player at a position just because the previous regime failed at the same position (i.e., Couch).BROWNS FANS:
I understand the logic in thinking that a QB isn't going to Cleveland 3rd overall. I really do. I think Spears, Merriman, Johnson, a WR, or even a solid Olineman would make a ton of sense. Heck, even Antrell Rolle would be fitting.
However, IIRC, the QBs on the roster are Trent Dilfer and Luke McCown. I simply CAN NOT envision a scenario where a new coach and new front office looking to make a fresh start for a city that truly loves its football would gamble that Jason Campbell, Charlie Frye, or David Greene will end up on its roster with a later pick.
I think that the person who will be the "starter" for the Browns by Thanksgiving is NOT currently on the roster. If it was a Vet, they would have already brought him in. So, logic says they're going to add a rookie.
The Browns may not have the talent to win 10 games this year, but they could conceivably be WORSE than last year if Dilfer is expected to be the starter. I'm not saying I don't like Dilfer. I actually think he is a quality performer. But to count on him staying (a) productive and (b) healthy for 17 weeks is a scary proposition. Would things be even better to end up with the 1st or 2nd pick next year and then, be FORCED to take a QB (Leinart, Jacobs, Young
So, I'm asking Browns fans, while the team has MAJOR needs at other spots, isn't QB a major need too? The Tim Couch thing shouldn't have left a bad taste because he never should have been run out of town. Couch threw too many interceptions, yes, but he was not a bad QB considering the circumstances).
Colin
If they really see Rodgers or Smith as a franchise caliber QB (we don't know if they do, but for argument sake), I don't think they'll have any problem pulling the trigger and explaining to fans it was the right move.
tommyGunZ
Footballguy
LOL at Gunz, at least you're funny :rotflmao:
So now you'll be lucky if Matt Jones falls to you at 28
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I'm just surprised that Colin's mock doesn't accurately reflect the value that Jones carries at this point. It's easy to dismiss the Jones hype by saying that those hyping Jones are putting too much weight into his measurables. I think that's selling the importance of combine #'s short. Fabian Washington is a first rounder STRICTLY b/c of his 40 time.Jones is a wild card, and I think every year wild cards are sold short on mock drafts. No way Jones lasts until #49 as Colin has him projected here. There is simply no chance that a 6-6, 240, 4.37 kid with a basketball background who played WR as a freshmen doesn't go top 40.
Hell, this morning I read somewhere that the Vikes may be interested in Jones at 18.
Jason Wood
Zoo York
Did you also read Len Pasquarelli's column citing the Jones hype and fact that despite his athleticism there are legitimate questions about his intensity and his complete lack of interest in becoming a better blocker?I agree with you that this kid probably goes high enough for you get my $20, but there are still 3 weeks left and usually when someone's hype reaches supernova so many days prior to the draft, there's a good chance it could cool back off some.LOL at Gunz, at least you're funny :rotflmao:
So now you'll be lucky if Matt Jones falls to you at 28
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Jones is a wild card, and I think every year wild cards are sold short on mock drafts. No way Jones lasts until #49 as Colin has him projected here. There is simply no chance that a 6-6, 240, 4.37 kid with a basketball background who played WR as a freshmen doesn't go top 40.
Hell, this morning I read somewhere that the Vikes may be interested in Jones at 18.
We'll see. I'm just hoping that my team isn't the one who's notorious in a few years for "that team that wasted a 1st round pick on Matt "Combine Killer" Jones."
Colin Dowling
Footballguy
1. I wouldn't be suprised to see the Vikings trade the 7 and the 19 to San Fran to make sure they get Jones 1st overall. NOTHING that team does suprises me. Nothing.2. I'm not Anti-Matt Jones. Far from it. I think he is a very intriguing prospect and frankly, it wouldn't be the least bit shocking for him to emerge as one of the best players in this draft. However, its important also to realize that there is talk, and there is "actual picking." Last year, teams were talking Steven Jackson as high as 6 to Detroit. Oops. Teams were talking about Randy Starks as going "no later than the middle of the 1st!" 3rd round, here we come. Would I be suprised for Jones to get in to the top 30? No. TOp 20? A little, but that wouldn't suprise me as much as say, the aforementioned Starks free-fall in 2004.LOL at Gunz, at least you're funny :rotflmao:
So now you'll be lucky if Matt Jones falls to you at 28
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Jones is a wild card, and I think every year wild cards are sold short on mock drafts. No way Jones lasts until #49 as Colin has him projected here. There is simply no chance that a 6-6, 240, 4.37 kid with a basketball background who played WR as a freshmen doesn't go top 40.
Hell, this morning I read somewhere that the Vikes may be interested in Jones at 18.
I'm simply trying to look at team need, current roster, past history, and player(s) available when doing these mocks. Sometimes I hit, sometimes I miss. RIght now, I think that Jones will be in the 40s on many draft boards. He may go higher. But for NOW, I see him in the 40s.
Colin
humans_being
Footballguy
Two questionso you really think that Rodgers will go before Smith? And with the Vikings RB cup flowing over, why does everyone have them targeting another one?
o you really think that Rodgers will go before Smith? And with the Vikings RB cup flowing over, why does everyone have them targeting another one?
Jason Wood
Zoo York
I've made the case of why I think ultimately Alex Smith will be the better pro, but right now, assuming SF stays at 1, I agree with Colin that Rodgers is the pick. Not saying it's the right decision, but I think its' the way the 49ers are leaning.
tommyGunZ
Footballguy
No doubt - you're far more knowledgeable and more experienced at putting mocks together than I am. Mocks are always hit and miss, i don't expect you to hit them all. But you're whiffing on Jones bro. Those measurables won't change in 3 weeks, they're quite honestly the most incredible combine #'s I've ever seen. Jones is D'Angelo Hall +50 pounds and 7 inches.1. I wouldn't be suprised to see the Vikings trade the 7 and the 19 to San Fran to make sure they get Jones 1st overall. NOTHING that team does suprises me. Nothing.2. I'm not Anti-Matt Jones. Far from it. I think he is a very intriguing prospect and frankly, it wouldn't be the least bit shocking for him to emerge as one of the best players in this draft. However, its important also to realize that there is talk, and there is "actual picking." Last year, teams were talking Steven Jackson as high as 6 to Detroit. Oops. Teams were talking about Randy Starks as going "no later than the middle of the 1st!" 3rd round, here we come. Would I be suprised for Jones to get in to the top 30? No. TOp 20? A little, but that wouldn't suprise me as much as say, the aforementioned Starks free-fall in 2004.LOL at Gunz, at least you're funny :rotflmao:
So now you'll be lucky if Matt Jones falls to you at 28
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Jones is a wild card, and I think every year wild cards are sold short on mock drafts. No way Jones lasts until #49 as Colin has him projected here. There is simply no chance that a 6-6, 240, 4.37 kid with a basketball background who played WR as a freshmen doesn't go top 40.
Hell, this morning I read somewhere that the Vikes may be interested in Jones at 18.
I'm simply trying to look at team need, current roster, past history, and player(s) available when doing these mocks. Sometimes I hit, sometimes I miss. RIght now, I think that Jones will be in the 40s on many draft boards. He may go higher. But for NOW, I see him in the 40s.
Colin
Just fruit for discussion, nothing more. But you're wrong, and I'm right.
tommyGunZ
Footballguy
Yep, read it - Len P is a must read. I've also read other accounts of Jones bawling after close losses and chastising teammates for not doing the same. I think the "lack of interest in becoming a better blocker" is complete bogus BS. Did Jones actually say that? When has he ever even been involved in blocking drills, giving him the chance to appear uninterested? That comment reaks of misinformation to me.
Quite possibly. I think it's much more likely that you'll be saying, "Damn, I wish my Iggles would have traded up for Jones; how in the world did he slip to the middle/late 1st round? Jerome would have his title by now."
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Colin Dowling
Footballguy
Aren't they almost exactly the same numbers Ben Watson, an experienced Tight End, put up last year at this time? I thought I had read that somewhere...COlinNo doubt - you're far more knowledgeable and more experienced at putting mocks together than I am. Mocks are always hit and miss, i don't expect you to hit them all. But you're whiffing on Jones bro. Those measurables won't change in 3 weeks, they're quite honestly the most incredible combine #'s I've ever seen. Jones is D'Angelo Hall +50 pounds and 7 inches.1. I wouldn't be suprised to see the Vikings trade the 7 and the 19 to San Fran to make sure they get Jones 1st overall. NOTHING that team does suprises me. Nothing.2. I'm not Anti-Matt Jones. Far from it. I think he is a very intriguing prospect and frankly, it wouldn't be the least bit shocking for him to emerge as one of the best players in this draft. However, its important also to realize that there is talk, and there is "actual picking." Last year, teams were talking Steven Jackson as high as 6 to Detroit. Oops. Teams were talking about Randy Starks as going "no later than the middle of the 1st!" 3rd round, here we come. Would I be suprised for Jones to get in to the top 30? No. TOp 20? A little, but that wouldn't suprise me as much as say, the aforementioned Starks free-fall in 2004.LOL at Gunz, at least you're funny :rotflmao:
So now you'll be lucky if Matt Jones falls to you at 28
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Jones is a wild card, and I think every year wild cards are sold short on mock drafts. No way Jones lasts until #49 as Colin has him projected here. There is simply no chance that a 6-6, 240, 4.37 kid with a basketball background who played WR as a freshmen doesn't go top 40.
Hell, this morning I read somewhere that the Vikes may be interested in Jones at 18.
I'm simply trying to look at team need, current roster, past history, and player(s) available when doing these mocks. Sometimes I hit, sometimes I miss. RIght now, I think that Jones will be in the 40s on many draft boards. He may go higher. But for NOW, I see him in the 40s.
Colin
Just fruit for discussion, nothing more. But you're wrong, and I'm right.
Collin, nice job. However, you are way off on the PATS (shocking I know ).No way that Belichek takes a CB from Nebraska in the first round. Nebraska CB's have a long history of failure in the NFL and Belichek is not a pure speed guy. It is more likely that he would try and stay pat in the 2nd for Corey Webster from LSU or move up in the 2nd to get him. Based on the mock that you have, the most likely scenario for the Pats in the 1st round would be taking Channing Crowder.I could see a WR in the 2nd round as the PATS lost Patten and Brown this offseason and Givens will be an unrestricted FA next year if they dont sign him longterm. They have a very nice base with Branch, Givens, B. Johnson, and PK Sam but could probably use 1 more.
).No way that Belichek takes a CB from Nebraska in the first round. Nebraska CB's have a long history of failure in the NFL and Belichek is not a pure speed guy. It is more likely that he would try and stay pat in the 2nd for Corey Webster from LSU or move up in the 2nd to get him. Based on the mock that you have, the most likely scenario for the Pats in the 1st round would be taking Channing Crowder.I could see a WR in the 2nd round as the PATS lost Patten and Brown this offseason and Givens will be an unrestricted FA next year if they dont sign him longterm. They have a very nice base with Branch, Givens, B. Johnson, and PK Sam but could probably use 1 more.
Gargoylez
Footballguy
They had the leagues best defense. I can't understand why people are failing to see the obvious here. No offese, if you truly think they will waste a pick on a QB, then good for you.NEVER compare Baltimores Defense against Clevelands defense. Its not even in the same atmosphere.If Cleveland had a solid great defense... then sure Smith/Rogers is a good pickup. Right now, its an assinine move that reminds me of teh old regime that lead the browns to well... nothing.
dynastyguru32
Footballguy
Colin,Great mock as usual. I wouldn't be surprised if SD will go after Matt Jones at the 28th spot. With their success with gates and this being their 2nd pick in the 1st round I could see them taking a chance on an extremely athletic receiver/TE. Yes he is Raw when it comes to receiving but with his height and speed it is a risk worth taking in my opinion. Could you imagine trying to guard Jones and Gates at the same time while keeping in mind that there is a stud rb somewhere out on the field too. I can see the red zone scoring percentage off the charts.
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The Man Who Met Andy Griffith
Footballguy
They are indeed pretty similar numbers-wise. Watson ran a 4.44, and has 10 inch hands. He is also, as you say, an experienced TE.The main difference is that Watson is 6'3" 250 lb, Jones is 6'6" 240 lb.
Personally I think those extra 3" are worth more than the extra 10 pounds.
People drool over Calico, but Jones has 3 inches and 20 pounds on him, and his hands are reputedly excellent.
ConstruxBoy
Kate's Daddy
Great as always Colin. You should go "pro" with these things. Love the Smith pick for the Bills. I really think he could end up being better than Miller. Maybe I'm just crazy though. Still hoping they take the Henry deal where they move up in the 2nd because maybe one of the Gs will slip. But otherwise TE is the way to go. Especially Smith instead of the overrated (IMHO) Everett.
Reservoir Dog
Footballguy
Braylon is the best player in the draft, so why not take him with the first pick? I don't get the whole "got to take a QB with the first pick" philosophy.Would you select Tim Couch over Jerry Rice?Nice to see you finally come to your senses, sir!
wadegarrett
FFA Legend™
Bear with us Browns fans about the whole QB thing HERD. The Couch thing is still fresh in our minds. It was the right move to dump him though. He was atrocious. Believe me, I was there for all of them.
While we'll agree to disagree on taking a QB at #3, take a look at today's article on Charlie Frye. This guy looks good and like JWood said previously, something Savage may pull the trigger on moving up into the late First Round to grab him.
Charlie Frye workout
While we'll agree to disagree on taking a QB at #3, take a look at today's article on Charlie Frye. This guy looks good and like JWood said previously, something Savage may pull the trigger on moving up into the late First Round to grab him.
Charlie Frye workout
jurb26
Footballguy
Am I tho only Steeler fan around here that absoultly HATES the idea of them going TE in the 1st? Yeah they have a need for one, but not a pass catching one. When have the Steelers EVER used the TE as a vialbe pass catching option under Cowher? The answer is never! This is an extrem waste of a pick IMO. Pitt needs to be considering only 2 positions (possible 3 if a slip occurs) with that 1st round pick, Cb, T, and maybe RB.
fatness
Footballguy
I don't know Casserly's feelings about it at present. But I'm sure he has read the recent interview with Dan Snyder. In it Snyder said he regretted letting Casserly go, that things were hostile between Norv Turner and Casserly when Snyder took over the team, that it was shortly before the season was starting, and since he felt he had to choose one of them he chose the coach with the season a couple months away.
Link
I found this link on Watson with his results from the combine. It only says he ran under 4.6, not 4.44. Still impressive, but not the 4.37 that Jones ran. The only thing is I don't remember Watson playing at all at NE, so I don't remember how good he was at Georgia or if he got into the end of the 1st round based on his great combine numbers for a decent sized TE.LINK
Bojang0301
Omar4Heisman
This is the wrong way to look at it, IMO. If a player has the skills to catch the ball the Steelers will us that. I am suprised that it has been this long since they went after a pass-catching TE (Their past 2 OC's have been TE's in the league). The Steelers have never had the personal to use the TE has an option in the passing game.
jurb26
Footballguy
Riemersma was supposedly brought in for this very reason. But how quickly we forget about Eric Green. He was a great Rec TE for 2 years. Pitt has simply gone away from using them. Maybe they can go back, but still I think there are far greater needs than TE. T and CB inparticular.
nerangers
Footballguy
Collin, nice job. However, you are way off on the PATS (shocking I know
No way that Belichek takes a CB from Nebraska in the first round. Nebraska CB's have a long history of failure in the NFL and Belichek is not a pure speed guy. It is more likely that he would try and stay pat in the 2nd for Corey Webster from LSU or move up in the 2nd to get him. Based on the mock that you have, the most likely scenario for the Pats in the 1st round would be taking Channing Crowder.
I could see a WR in the 2nd round as the PATS lost Patten and Brown this offseason and Givens will be an unrestricted FA next year if they dont sign him longterm. They have a very nice base with Branch, Givens, B. Johnson, and PK Sam but could probably use 1 more.
The pats also have Graham, and Watson as options too. Plus I thought the Pats got Tim Dwight too? That was the replacement for Brown.With Tedy probably not playing and the average age of the LBs at 32, this draft goes after that need.
CB would be nice, but that is why they signed Stark before the draft.
harrycarey
Footballguy
I think you are right on with the colts picks. everyone has them going CB, but first they need a DT to wreak havoc on the interior like sapp or "booger" and a starting caliber LB that can make plays. Castillo and CJ Mosley are two of those DT's (i guess Shaun Cody is, but I like the others' combination of size and speed. Blackstock and Burnett are two linebackers. The Bucs rarely spent high picks on their db's, they used them on dt's and lbs.
cstu
Footballguy
I'm looking for the Chargers to take Spears or Williamson at #12. They need a FS, not another CB, unless they want to convert Jammer to FS.Ware with the #28 is a sure thing if he's there. If not it will probably be one of the OG's.I would be very upset with Henry in the 2nd round because of recent bad memories of David Boston. FS Josh Bollocks would be a much better pick in the 2nd round.That's my ideal Chargers draft - Spears/Williamson, Ware and Bollocks.
Atomic Punk
Footballguy
Nice Mock. It is extermely difficult to try and predict trades, but I think it is safe to say there will be at lease 4-8 trades in the first 2 rounds.
What other teams do you think will be making moves?
Additional comments are in bold.
HERD's NFL MOCK Version 2.0 - Post Combines and Workouts - First 2 rounds
Round 1
1. San Fransisco - Aaron Rodgers - QB - Cal
2. Miami - Ronnie Brown - RB - Auburn
3. Cleveland - ALex Smith - QB - Utah (I understand your argument but I think the Browns will be going defense, especially with the number of decent QB that will be available in rounds 2-4)
4. Chicago - Braylon Edwards - WR - Michigan (The Bears have concerns about Grossman being "the man" so I see them going for Benson to take the pressure off the passing gamen.)
5. Tampa Bay - Mike Williams - WR - USC
6. Tennessee - Adam Jones - CB - WVU (He'll probably drop a little due to the drug test.)
7. Minnesota - Cedric Benson - RB - UTexas (I like Benson in Minny but I think they will have to move up to get him.)
8. Arizona - Carnell Williams - RB - Auburn
9. Houston (via Wash) - Shawne Merriman - DE/LB - Maryland (Houston will probably move down rather than up, they have too many holes.)
10. Detroit - Derrick Johnson - LB - UTexas
11. Dallas - Marcus Spears - DE - LSU (I can't see a stud DE dropping this far.)
12. San Diego - Antrell Rolle - CB - UMiami
13. Washington - Troy WIlliamson -WR - USC
14. Carolina - Travis Johnson - DT - FSU
15. Kansas City (via Houston) - Carlos Rogers - CB - Auburn (I agree 100% with this pick if the Surtain deal doesn't go through.)
16. New Orleans - Alex Barron - OT - FSU (Will probably go higher.)
17. Cincinatti - Erasmus James - DE - Wisconsin
18. Minnesota - Dan Cody - DE - OU
19. St. Louis - Mark Clayton - WR - OU (Wouldn't surprise.)
20. Dallas - Khalif Barnes - OT - Stanford
21. Jacksonville - David Pollack - DE - UGA
22. Baltimore - Roddy White - WR - UAB
23. Seattle - Matt Roth - DE - Iowa
24. Green Bay - Thomas Davis - FS - UGA
25. Denver - Justin Miller - CB - Clemson (Denver is hard to figure this year. I could see them making a move up to get Clayton or Williamson.)
26. New York Jets - Shaun Cody - DL - USC
27. Atlanta Falcons - Jammal Brown - OT - OU (Fills a need but OL Coach Alex Gibbs prefers "mudders".)
28. San Diego - Demarcus Ware - DE/LB - Troy State (This would be ideal for SD.)
29. Indianapolis - Luis Castillo - DT - Northwestern (I could see him climb into the 1st round.)
30. Pittsburgh - Heath Miller - TE - UVA
31. Philadelphia - Odell Thurman - LB - UGA
32. New England - Fabian Washington - CB - Nebraska
Round 2
1. San Fransisco - David Bass - G - Michigan
2. Cleveland - Channing Crowder - ILB - UF
3. Philadelphia (via Miami) - Elton Brown - G - UVA
4. Tampa Bay - Ciatrick Fason - RB - UF
5. Tennessee - Jason Campbell - QB - Auburn
6. Oakland - Attiyah Ellison - DT - Missouri (If Burnett is available, I think the Raiders would grab him.)
7. Chicago - Marcus Johnson - OG - Mississippi
8. New Orleans - Kevin Burnett - LB - UTenn
9. Detroit - Brodney Pool - FS - Okalahoma
10. Dallas - Marlin Jackson - CB - Michigan
11. New York Giants - Mike Patterson - DT - USC
12. Arizona - Eric Green - CB - VTech (QB here is possible.)
13. Carolina - CJ Mosley - DT - Missouri
14. Kansas City - Barrett Ruud - LB - Nebraska (K. Bell signing suggests Tuck may be a better fit here.)
15. Houston - Corey Webster - CB - LSU
16. Cincinatti - Antajj Hawthorne - DT - UWis (Two DL's is unlikely.)
17. Minnesota - Matt Jones - WR - Ark
18. St. Louis - Justin Tuck - DE - Notre Dame
19. Green Bay - Charlie Frye - QB - Akron
20. Jacksonville - Reggie Brown - WR - UGA (Perfect fit as he is ready to contribute and the Jags need help at WR.)
21. Baltimore - Jonathan Babineaux- DT - Iowa
22. Seattle - Ernest Shazor - SS - Michigan
23. Buffalo - Alex Smith - TE - Stanford
24. Denver - JJ Arrington - RB - Cal
25. New York Jets - Brandon Browner - DB - OSU
26. Green Bay - Chris Canty - DE - UVA
27. Atlanta - Mike Nugent - K - OSU
28. Indianapolis - Daryl Blackstock - LB - UVA (Shouldn't fall this far with more teams switching to the 3-4.)
29. San Diego - Chris Henry - WR - WVU
30. Pittsburgh - Bryant McFadden - CB - FSU
31. Philadelphia - Marion Barber III - RB - Minnesota
32. New England - Vincent Jackson - WR - Northern Colorada
What other teams do you think will be making moves?
Additional comments are in bold.
HERD's NFL MOCK Version 2.0 - Post Combines and Workouts - First 2 rounds
Round 1
1. San Fransisco - Aaron Rodgers - QB - Cal
2. Miami - Ronnie Brown - RB - Auburn
3. Cleveland - ALex Smith - QB - Utah (I understand your argument but I think the Browns will be going defense, especially with the number of decent QB that will be available in rounds 2-4)
4. Chicago - Braylon Edwards - WR - Michigan (The Bears have concerns about Grossman being "the man" so I see them going for Benson to take the pressure off the passing gamen.)
5. Tampa Bay - Mike Williams - WR - USC
6. Tennessee - Adam Jones - CB - WVU (He'll probably drop a little due to the drug test.)
7. Minnesota - Cedric Benson - RB - UTexas (I like Benson in Minny but I think they will have to move up to get him.)
8. Arizona - Carnell Williams - RB - Auburn
9. Houston (via Wash) - Shawne Merriman - DE/LB - Maryland (Houston will probably move down rather than up, they have too many holes.)
10. Detroit - Derrick Johnson - LB - UTexas
11. Dallas - Marcus Spears - DE - LSU (I can't see a stud DE dropping this far.)
12. San Diego - Antrell Rolle - CB - UMiami
13. Washington - Troy WIlliamson -WR - USC
14. Carolina - Travis Johnson - DT - FSU
15. Kansas City (via Houston) - Carlos Rogers - CB - Auburn (I agree 100% with this pick if the Surtain deal doesn't go through.)
16. New Orleans - Alex Barron - OT - FSU (Will probably go higher.)
17. Cincinatti - Erasmus James - DE - Wisconsin
18. Minnesota - Dan Cody - DE - OU
19. St. Louis - Mark Clayton - WR - OU (Wouldn't surprise.)
20. Dallas - Khalif Barnes - OT - Stanford
21. Jacksonville - David Pollack - DE - UGA
22. Baltimore - Roddy White - WR - UAB
23. Seattle - Matt Roth - DE - Iowa
24. Green Bay - Thomas Davis - FS - UGA
25. Denver - Justin Miller - CB - Clemson (Denver is hard to figure this year. I could see them making a move up to get Clayton or Williamson.)
26. New York Jets - Shaun Cody - DL - USC
27. Atlanta Falcons - Jammal Brown - OT - OU (Fills a need but OL Coach Alex Gibbs prefers "mudders".)
28. San Diego - Demarcus Ware - DE/LB - Troy State (This would be ideal for SD.)
29. Indianapolis - Luis Castillo - DT - Northwestern (I could see him climb into the 1st round.)
30. Pittsburgh - Heath Miller - TE - UVA
31. Philadelphia - Odell Thurman - LB - UGA
32. New England - Fabian Washington - CB - Nebraska
Round 2
1. San Fransisco - David Bass - G - Michigan
2. Cleveland - Channing Crowder - ILB - UF
3. Philadelphia (via Miami) - Elton Brown - G - UVA
4. Tampa Bay - Ciatrick Fason - RB - UF
5. Tennessee - Jason Campbell - QB - Auburn
6. Oakland - Attiyah Ellison - DT - Missouri (If Burnett is available, I think the Raiders would grab him.)
7. Chicago - Marcus Johnson - OG - Mississippi
8. New Orleans - Kevin Burnett - LB - UTenn
9. Detroit - Brodney Pool - FS - Okalahoma
10. Dallas - Marlin Jackson - CB - Michigan
11. New York Giants - Mike Patterson - DT - USC
12. Arizona - Eric Green - CB - VTech (QB here is possible.)
13. Carolina - CJ Mosley - DT - Missouri
14. Kansas City - Barrett Ruud - LB - Nebraska (K. Bell signing suggests Tuck may be a better fit here.)
15. Houston - Corey Webster - CB - LSU
16. Cincinatti - Antajj Hawthorne - DT - UWis (Two DL's is unlikely.)
17. Minnesota - Matt Jones - WR - Ark
18. St. Louis - Justin Tuck - DE - Notre Dame
19. Green Bay - Charlie Frye - QB - Akron
20. Jacksonville - Reggie Brown - WR - UGA (Perfect fit as he is ready to contribute and the Jags need help at WR.)
21. Baltimore - Jonathan Babineaux- DT - Iowa
22. Seattle - Ernest Shazor - SS - Michigan
23. Buffalo - Alex Smith - TE - Stanford
24. Denver - JJ Arrington - RB - Cal
25. New York Jets - Brandon Browner - DB - OSU
26. Green Bay - Chris Canty - DE - UVA
27. Atlanta - Mike Nugent - K - OSU
28. Indianapolis - Daryl Blackstock - LB - UVA (Shouldn't fall this far with more teams switching to the 3-4.)
29. San Diego - Chris Henry - WR - WVU
30. Pittsburgh - Bryant McFadden - CB - FSU
31. Philadelphia - Marion Barber III - RB - Minnesota
32. New England - Vincent Jackson - WR - Northern Colorada
crazygutgut
Footballguy
I like Johnson and Mosley at DT, but I don't see Carolina picking two DTs in the first two rounds. Maybe one in the 1st or 2nd round.
Any discussion about Cleveland trading the third pick to the Vikings for the 7th and change?Cleveland would get to draft their QB and pay him less.The Vikings would get to grab the WR they wanted before a division opponent in the Bears may grab them.I personally think the Vikings are targeting Edwards. He is older and more experienced than Mike Williams, and will be more able to step in and produce the first two years. I can't see the vikings going RB early at all. Bennett, Smith, Moore, and Williams all are decent and Culpepper needs more help at WR. Otherwise I think they would get better production from Merriman and continuing to build their D Line.
Jason Wood
Zoo York
You presume that one of the QBs would fall to 7. While it's entirely possible that could happen, if CLE really does view Smith or Rodgers as worthy of a high first round pick, it's fodder for them to gamble on the selection by dropping down. They should (and would) only drop down if they were either a) unsure of whether one of the QBs/RBs were an ideal fit or b) were prepared to select from any number of players relatively equivalent on their board.
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Colin Dowling
Footballguy
Agreed. Terrell's signing means that a WR would likely be a latter BPA type of pick.Colin
Colin Dowling
Footballguy
I think Cody is a more solid performer. I tend to like Dlinemen that just won't quit, which is an apt way to describe Cody.Colin
Gold Plated Nails
Footballguy
Nice mock Colin. I enjoy reading them, hopefully you'll do another right before the draft. As far as my Chargers are concerned, I hope they will go another direction with pick #12. In the past 3 years they have spent 2 first rd and 2 second rd picks on CBs and safetys. They also signed a safety in free agency. I should hope the front office brass will give those guys another season to play together before they give up on one of them (sammy davis especially). I think the Chargers are going to surprise most people and go with Alex Barron or Travis Johnson.
radballs.
Footballguy
But, aren't you "other people" too? You're not making actual picks at the NFL draft either, right?When NFL Draft Countdown starts making actual picks at the NFL draft, let me know. Until then, I'll continue trying to value players the way I think they'll actually go, not the way other people think they'll go.
By the way, nice mock Colin.Atomic Punk
Footballguy
This is exactly why I think a Cleveland/Minny trade is feasible. Regardless of whether they are interested in WR or RB, Minny has to be concerned that the hated Bears may take their guy.Assume SF goes QB and Miami goes RB. At least one other RB and one WR will most likely be taken by Chicago, TB, Minny and even the Titans. That would leave Cleveland one of Spears, Alex Smith and Johnson. I think Savage and Crennel would be drooling at the prospect of having one of those three and an additional first day pick.
Atomic Punk
Footballguy
Colin, what is your take on Roth and whether he would be able to stand up to the punishment of a 3-4 DE?
