Hernandez convicted of first-degree murder; found deceased in his cell. (3 Viewers)

[QuizGuy66]

Santonio was traded, not cut. And he's a

decent WR but far from a superstar. Ben made him, which is pretty obvious based on how he's done since leaving Pittsburgh.

All reports indicate that they were going to release him if no trade partner was found. Regardless of your feeling about Holmes, he is not a "scrub" as you implied.

You really don't see the difference between Ben and Holmes as far as value to the team? GTFO of here.

[SIZE=10.5pt]Can we please get back to wild, unsubstantiated speculations? Thank you! [/SIZE]

I'll bite and I think one comment way early in this thread expressed this possibility but not so fleshed out.

A lawsuit was recently filed against Hernandez involving him shooting someone in the face.

Now while it got thrown out the first time perhaps he already knew it was going to get refiled after a technicality.

The initial Florida story is seen as having credibility issues because the guy who was shot clammed up and didn't name names or give much in the way of specifics at the time. What he did say was that there were 2 african american and 2 hispanic males involved. At first glance this would seem to deflect from Hernandez a bit.

However, in Massachusetts Hernandez was just in a car with 4 total people. He's hispanic and the murder victim is african american (not sure that's it's known in terms of the race of the other 2 in the car at least publicly).

While speculative on a level that only FBG is capable of it's at least conceivable that these same 4 were the ones involved in the Florida shooting. And perhaps Hernandez somehow got the idea/fear that one was going to testify in that case.

There's some for ya.

-QG

 

[Grigs Allmoon]

Patriots locked him out of team facilities

I'm interested if he has any offseason storage there - i.e. could he have been looking to get rid of more evidence?

-QG

That's a good point.

No, it really isn't. You don't get rid of evidence at your workplace, you throw it in the Charles River.

I think he meant Hernandez was potentially retrieving evidence from storage at the facility to get rid of.

 

[QuizGuy66]

Patriots locked him out of team facilities

I'm interested if he has any offseason storage there - i.e. could he have been looking to get rid of more evidence?

-QG

That's a good point.

No, it really isn't. You don't get rid of evidence at your workplace, you throw it in the Charles River.

You're assuming that he's bringing evidence to the workplace to destroy it there. Of course given the Patriots' track record it actually may be quite adept at getting rid of evidence

I'm thinking more along the lines that Hernandez had personal effects or something else in his locker/storage there that could be considered evidentiary in nature. Stuff that he would want to pick up from the facilities and then go to the Charles River and dump.

-QG

 

[KellysHeroes]

Rotoworld:

Two teammates tell Sports Illustrated's Greg A. Bedard Aaron Hernandez "got more brazen" after signing his seven-year, $41.115 million extension last August.
Worries about Hernandez's past apparently extended beyond his marijuana issues in college, with reports indicating in recent days teams were concerned about reported gang ties in his native Connecticut. "Brazenness" is certainly suggested by Hernandez's rumored/alleged pattern of violence this offseason. His NFL future is as clear as mud.

Source: Greg A. Bedard on Twitter

I read this and kind of chuckled a bit. I'm sure gangs are gangs but somehow it just doesn't seem as bad if they're from Connecticut,lol.

Shane McMahon and his "Mean Street Posse" were pretty tough. They were from the mean streets of Greenwich after all.... LOL

Gangs are gangs, still a bunch of people w/ guns shooting other people. I come from CT and there are some bad ones there

 

[habsfan]

Patriots locked him out of team facilities

I'm interested if he has any offseason storage there - i.e. could he have been looking to get rid of more evidence?

-QG

That's a good point.

No, it really isn't. You don't get rid of evidence at your workplace, you throw it in the Charles River.

Hernandez seems to be accumulating a healthy list of "things you don't do" lately...

 

[mikel0254]

Santonio was traded, not cut. And he's a

decent WR but far from a superstar. Ben made him, which is pretty obvious based on how he's done since leaving Pittsburgh.

All reports indicate that they were going to release him if no trade partner was found. Regardless of your feeling about Holmes, he is not a "scrub" as you implied.

You really don't see the difference between Ben and Holmes as far as value to the team? GTFO of here.

[SIZE=10.5pt]Can we please get back to wild, unsubstantiated speculations? Thank you! [/SIZE]

I'll bite and I think one comment way early in this thread expressed this possibility but not so fleshed out.

A lawsuit was recently filed against Hernandez involving him shooting someone in the face.

Now while it got thrown out the first time perhaps he already knew it was going to get refiled after a technicality.

The initial Florida story is seen as having credibility issues because the guy who was shot clammed up and didn't name names or give much in the way of specifics at the time. What he did say was that there were 2 african american and 2 hispanic males involved. At first glance this would seem to deflect from Hernandez a bit.

However, in Massachusetts Hernandez was just in a car with 4 total people. He's hispanic and the murder victim is african american (not sure that's it's known in terms of the race of the other 2 in the car at least publicly).

While speculative on a level that only FBG is capable of it's at least conceivable that these same 4 were the ones involved in the Florida shooting. And perhaps Hernandez somehow got the idea/fear that one was going to testify in that case.

There's some for ya.

-QG

I like where your head's at! Someone posted earlier that from 2 sources, the possible motive was jaw dropping. To me, that's not your typical murder over drugs, money, or some dude messing with your girlfriend's sister. Now a premeditated hit to wipe out a possible snitch, that would be jaw dropping for me.

 

[KellysHeroes]

obstruction of justice, he'll beat those charges or plea bargin out once he realizes how much he has to lose.

 

[PatsFanCT]

Patriots locked him out of team facilities

I'm interested if he has any offseason storage there - i.e. could he have been looking to get rid of more evidence?

-QG

That's a good point.

No, it really isn't. You don't get rid of evidence at your workplace, you throw it in the Charles River.

You're assuming that he's bringing evidence to the workplace to destroy it there. Of course given the Patriots' track record it actually may be quite adept at getting rid of evidence

I'm thinking more along the lines that Hernandez had personal effects or something else in his locker/storage there that could be considered evidentiary in nature. Stuff that he would want to pick up from the facilities and then go to the Charles River and dump.

-QG

Ok, I guess I read it wrong. That does make more sense.

 

[ghostguy123]

Patriots locked him out of team facilities

No loyalty at all. The dude hasn't been charged with anything yet, much less convicted and they're already giving him the cold shoulder.

My guess here is they aren't standing there with their arms crossed telling him to get the F out. They are likely telling him to go take care the of the situation and find his dang lawyer and do what he needs to do.

Another skewed media phrase. If he goes in an Kraft or BB or whoever politely says "hey man, forget practice, sounds like a lot is going on, go find your lawyer and take care of things and let us know, keep us updated".

The media takes that and will say "Patriots ban hernandez from practice, fines, and sanctions, suspensions, and possibly termination to folllow".

I mean, cmon, how on earth could that be a normal day of practice if he is there?? PLus they know the media circus will be all over it, so it's just not worth it for a few days or even weeks of practice.

 

[KCitons]

Patriots locked him out of team facilities

No loyalty at all. The dude hasn't been charged with anything yet, much less convicted and they're already giving him the cold shoulder.

My guess here is they aren't standing there with their arms crossed telling him to get the F out. They are likely telling him to go take care the of the situation and find his dang lawyer and do what he needs to do.

Another skewed media phrase. If he goes in an Kraft or BB or whoever politely says "hey man, forget practice, sounds like a lot is going on, go find your lawyer and take care of things and let us know, keep us updated".

The media takes that and will say "Patriots ban hernandez from practice, fines, and sanctions, suspensions, and possibly termination to folllow".

I mean, cmon, how on earth could that be a normal day of practice if he is there?? PLus they know the media circus will be all over it, so it's just not worth it for a few days or even weeks of practice.

Lot of people feel the same way about Tebow

 

[yankdog]

Heard a report that State Police just entered his home again. White SUV chase is the only reasonable option here.

 

[Plorfu]

Santonio was traded, not cut. And he's a

decent WR but far from a superstar. Ben made him, which is pretty obvious based on how he's done since leaving Pittsburgh.

All reports indicate that they were going to release him if no trade partner was found. Regardless of your feeling about Holmes, he is not a "scrub" as you implied.

You really don't see the difference between Ben and Holmes as far as value to the team? GTFO of here.

Can we please get back to wild, unsubstantiated speculations? Thank you!

I'll bite and I think one comment way early in this thread expressed this possibility but not so fleshed out.A lawsuit was recently filed against Hernandez involving him shooting someone in the face.

Now while it got thrown out the first time perhaps he already knew it was going to get refiled after a technicality.

The initial Florida story is seen as having credibility issues because the guy who was shot clammed up and didn't name names or give much in the way of specifics at the time. What he did say was that there were 2 african american and 2 hispanic males involved. At first glance this would seem to deflect from Hernandez a bit.

However, in Massachusetts Hernandez was just in a car with 4 total people. He's hispanic and the murder victim is african american (not sure that's it's known in terms of the race of the other 2 in the car at least publicly).

While speculative on a level that only FBG is capable of it's at least conceivable that these same 4 were the ones involved in the Florida shooting. And perhaps Hernandez somehow got the idea/fear that one was going to testify in that case.

There's some for ya.

-QG

Yeah, this is the wild speculation I'm clinging to right now.

 

[GregR]

Cue the white bronco.

(Not you, Tim.)

I laughed.

 

[GregR]

Ian Rapoport ‏@RapSheet 3m

Per @richholl -- our @nflnetwork reporter on the scene -- state police have just entered Aaron Hernandez's house with a warrant.

Ian Rapoport ‏@RapSheet 2m

That was fast RT @KevinGArmstrong: 2 Mass. State police officers just knocked on Aaron Hernandez's door, were allowed to enter, quickly left

 

[yankdog]

Ian Rapoport ‏@RapSheet 3m

Per @richholl -- our @nflnetwork reporter on the scene -- state police have just entered Aaron Hernandez's house with a warrant.

Ian Rapoport ‏@RapSheet 2m

That was fast RT @KevinGArmstrong: 2 Mass. State police officers just knocked on Aaron Hernandez's door, were allowed to enter, quickly left

Needed to use restroom?

 

[ghostguy123]

I mean, cmon, how on earth could that be a normal day of practice if he is there?? PLus they know the media circus will be all over it, so it's just not worth it for a few days or even weeks of practice.

Lot of people feel the same way about Tebow

Incredibly correct

 

[ghostguy123]

Ian Rapoport ‏@RapSheet 3m

Per @richholl -- our @nflnetwork reporter on the scene -- state police have just entered Aaron Hernandez's house with a warrant.

Ian Rapoport ‏@RapSheet 2m

That was fast RT @KevinGArmstrong: 2 Mass. State police officers just knocked on Aaron Hernandez's door, were allowed to enter, quickly left

arrest warrant or search warrant?

 

[werdnoynek]

Wheres the ####### live feed helicopter now!? C'mon!

 

[mikel0254]

Ian Rapoport ‏@RapSheet 3m

Per @richholl -- our @nflnetwork reporter on the scene -- state police have just entered Aaron Hernandez's house with a warrant.

Ian Rapoport ‏@RapSheet 2m

That was fast RT @KevinGArmstrong: 2 Mass. State police officers just knocked on Aaron Hernandez's door, were allowed to enter, quickly left

arrest warrant or search warrant?

Arrest Warrant...updated 10 min ago

http://www.myfoxboston.com/story/22652122/arrest-warrant-issued-for-pats-hernandez

Could explain why they left so quick. He's probably still holed up at his lawyers office.

 

[Bronx Bomber]

Do we know for a fact that he destroyed the survailance system? Did they come out and report that or could it have been one of his buddies. All I remember seeing is that the system was destroyed sometime before monday morning. At that point weren't his other 3 friends still with him or had they left?

 

[PatsFanCT]

This thing needs to end in a shootout. I'm spending way too much time in this thread.

 

[Coeur de Lion]

Boning someone too drunk to consent is absolutely a crime. It's just impossible to prove if the victim doesn't want to move forward with the process.

Have heard from two Patriots teammates who said, in their opinion, Hernandez got more brazen after contract extension.

That's from Greg A. Bedard on Twitter.

This, to me, speaks volumes. Given the usual

info lockdown from Patriots players and staff, the fact that two players shared this same sentiment to the press indicates to me that the team is cutting all ties with Hernandez, regardless of the

outcome of the legal proceedings.

This incident will show us if the Pats are as classy as the Steelers. The Steelers were willing to release one of their star players forsmoking weed and allegedly throwing a glass at a lady at a bar. I have to think if the Rooneys were in charge Hernandez might have already been cut/traded. I doubt Robert Kraft wants to

be seen as an accomplice to murder, regardless of how dubious that moniker is for him.

What did the Steelers do to their star player that raped a girl?

Apples and oranges. Both of those rapes were alleged, and Ben was never charged. The first of which, if you research it, is almost certainly fabricated by the "victim". The second allegation seems more valid/serious, but even then Ben was never charged with anything, and the alleged victim backtracked, saying, "a boy kind of raped me." No offense to rape victims, but murder is a much more serious crime. Beyond that, there is no proof any rape ever occurred. No physical evidence, no surveillance footage, no eye-witnesses, no neighbor that heard gunshots, etc. In the Hernandez case, a crime was definitely committed. A man was definitely murdered, and justice has definitely been obstructed by Hernandez's destruction of evidence.

LOL, you really don't see the irony of your post, do you?

Are you implying it's ironic because I give Ben the benefit of the doubt, while essentially convicting Hernandez before he is even charged?If so, I would argue that in Hernandez's case we know a crime has been committed, and we know he destroyed evidence. In Ben's case we don't know if a crime was committed, and we don't know if he destroyed evidence. To compare the two is misguided.

 

[KellysHeroes]

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/goodell-watching-developments-hernandez-case-074203549--nfl.html

Go(d)odell is watching

 

[Plorfu]

from Pro Football Talk Comments:

Destroying video footage and playing for the Patriots kind of goes hand and hand, doesnt it?

A poster made this joke about .0000005 seconds after the story was originally released.

 

[ShaHBucks]

I'm still not bumping Jake Ballard

 

[GregR]

Ian Rapoport ‏@RapSheet 3m

Per @richholl -- our @nflnetwork reporter on the scene -- state police have just entered Aaron Hernandez's house with a warrant.

Ian Rapoport ‏@RapSheet 2m

That was fast RT @KevinGArmstrong: 2 Mass. State police officers just knocked on Aaron Hernandez's door, were allowed to enter, quickly left

Needed to use restroom?

I'm going with, "Hey Aaron, mentioned to my wife how clean your house was when we searched it. She asked me to get the name of your maid service."

 

[Bad_Mo]

Rotoworld:

Two teammates tell Sports Illustrated's Greg A. Bedard Aaron Hernandez "got more brazen" after signing his seven-year, $41.115 million extension last August.
Worries about Hernandez's past apparently extended beyond his marijuana issues in college, with reports indicating in recent days teams were concerned about reported gang ties in his native Connecticut. "Brazenness" is certainly suggested by Hernandez's rumored/alleged pattern of violence this offseason. His NFL future is as clear as mud.

Source: Greg A. Bedard on Twitter

I read this and kind of chuckled a bit. I'm sure gangs are gangs but somehow it just doesn't seem as bad if they're from Connecticut,lol.

Obviously never heard of the much feared (non-caucasian) gang...Greenwich Gatos.

The initiation is the toughest in the world.

Prospects have to gain entry to an exclusive country club, purchase a yacht for use by members and drive around in vehicles costs more than $100,000.

That's one tough initiation!

 

[Anarchy99]

from Pro Football Talk Comments:

Destroying video footage and playing for the Patriots kind of goes hand and hand, doesnt it?

A poster made this joke about .0000005 seconds after the story was originally released.

How about this one? Hernandez is going to go from being a tight end to a wide receiver once he goes to jail.

 

[GregR]

From NFL.com, on what transpired at Gilette:

New England Patriots tight end Aaron Hernandez arrived Thursday at Gillette Stadium to much fanfare, as reporters and helicopters tracked his every move. He was inside the stadium for a period of approximately 35 minutes before Patriots security asked him to leave and escorted him out and away from the media, according to a source informed of the decision.

Patriots security, upon consultation with owner Robert Kraft and perhaps other decision-makers, asked Hernandez to leave because they didn't feel the stadium should be the site of a media stakeout, per the source.

While the facility is mostly empty, with coaches and players on vacation, Massachussets Governor Deval Patrick did have an event Thursday at Gillette to announce the creation of an academy designed to improve access to manufacturing jobs.

As for why Hernandez was there, it's still unclear. He did not work out, as he did not change into workout clothes upon arrival. His gear was displayed Wednesday, so he might have worked out then.

Hernandez is unlikely to make any more trips to Gillette prior to July 25, when players are slated to report for training camp.

 

[PatsFanCT]

from Pro Football Talk Comments:

Destroying video footage and playing for the Patriots kind of goes hand and hand, doesnt it?

A poster made this joke about .0000005 seconds after the story was originally released.

How about this one? Hernandez is going to go from being a tight end to a wide receiver once he goes to jail.

Or a tight end to a loose end.

 

[Bad_Mo]

I'm still not bumping Jake Ballard

I wouldn't at this point either. I mean, he is not off of my potential suspect list.

Think about it. With Gronk banged up, maybe Ballard set Hernandez up so he would be the clear cut 1b TE on the roster.

 

[HughHoney]

from Pro Football Talk Comments:

Destroying video footage and playing for the Patriots kind of goes hand and hand, doesnt it?

That's been told here, at your site, more than once.

 

[cstu]

From NFL.com, on what transpired at Gilette:

Hernandez is unlikely to make any more trips to Gillette prior to July 25, when players are slated to report for training camp.

Fixed.

 

[HughHoney]

I'd like to see the Pats put all his stuff in a storage locker and then forget to pay. Then the guys from Storage Wars could bid on his stuff. Brandi and Jarrod would probably go to at least 2k on something like that. Darrell might go a little higher tho. Dont think that's Barry's cup of tea.

 

[tombonneau]

I gotta say it's pretty impressive we went 20 pages before we started a stupid team-vs-team pissing match.

Shark Pool is all grownsed up. :'-(

 

[FunkyTeaParty]

Until proven otherwise I'll continue to think this has something to so with Putin and the ring

 

[DocHoliday]

from Pro Football Talk Comments:

Destroying video footage and playing for the Patriots kind of goes hand and hand, doesn’t it?

Fantastic

 

[HughHoney]

They shoulda paid Wilfork's wife to eat the guy.

 

[DevilDog919]

Until proven otherwise I'll continue to think this has something to so with Putin and the ring

Putin saw that Kraft had went public about the ring, and knew with Gronk down that the Pats would rely heavily on Hernandez, so he kills a man and frames AHern? Hmm...

 

[The_Man]

From NFL.com, on what transpired at Gilette:

Hernandez is unlikely to make any more trips to Gillette prior to July 25, when players are slated to report for training camp.

Fixed.

Maybe he can still come for games on Sunday, under the same work release program as the snow plow driver

 

[Faust]

Not sure if this has been added yet (Rotoworld):

A law enforcement official told the Boston Globe that 27-year-old murder victim Odin Lloyd was shot "multiple times" before his death in a Massachusetts industrial park.
"He was killed where they found the body," said the official. "He was shot multiple times." Multiple shots likely rule out a Jayson Williams-style accidental shooting, where Williams attempted to cover up the incident post-event. The same law official told the Globe that Aaron Hernandez continues to be uncooperative with police. He's expected to be arrested on obstruction-of-justice charges Friday, which could later be upgraded pending more evidence.

Source: Boston Globe

 

[PatsFanCT]

It's pretty clear here that Hernandez is just a Patsy in all this.

 

[Faust]

Rotoworld:

A source tells the Boston Globe there are no "arrest warrants issued currently in Odin Lloyd murder investigation."
Per reporter Wesley Lowery, that doesn't mean they won't soon be issued, but for now, Aaron Hernandez has yet to be charged with a crime. Earlier Friday, a "law enforcement source" told CBS Boston a warrant for obstruction of justice had been issued for the Patriots' tight end. Judging by the range of speculation, the local media doesn't have a terribly good grip on what law enforcement is actually planning to do in the case.

Source: Wesley Lowery on Twitter

 

[Yitbos69]

It's pretty clear here that Hernandez is just a Patsy in all this.

this is funny stuff

 

[kOOk]

from Pro Football Talk Comments:

Destroying video footage and playing for the Patriots kind of goes hand and hand, doesn’t it?

Fantastic

 

[Tony Jabroni]

Was this a love triangle gone bad? As in Hernandez also likes tight ends? Serious question.

 

[MaxThreshold]

CytoSport terminates contract with Hernandez, effective immediately.

 

[Faust]

Man suing Aaron Hernandez for shooting is convicted drug dealerBy Josh Katzowitz | NFL Writer
June 21, 2013 1:10 pm ET

While Aaron Hernandez has plenty of legal issues at the moment, the man who's suing the Patriots tight end for allegedly shooting him in the face has some legal problems of his own.

As CBS Boston points out, Alexander Bradley, who lost his right eye in the February incident in which he says Hernandez shot him in the face, is a convicted drug dealer.

Bradley, who re-filed his $100,000 lawsuit against Hernandez this week after it was dismissed because of a paperwork mistake, says the two were riding in a car together and that Hernandez aimed a gun at Bradley. Then, the gun allegedly went off, leading to the loss of Hernandez's eye.

But in 2006, Bradley was sentenced to five years in prison for selling drugs, though that sentence was suspended after 18 months.

This past April, two months after the alleged confrontation he had with Hernandez, Bradley was arrested and charged with burglary, disorderly conduct, assault and criminal mischief.

That case remains ongoing.

 

[Faust]

Aaron Hernandez’s scouting report was ominous

 

[PatsFanCT]

Aaron Hernandez’s scouting report was ominous

Man suing Aaron Hernandez for shooting is convicted drug dealer

By Josh Katzowitz | NFL Writer
June 21, 2013 1:10 pm ET

While Aaron Hernandez has plenty of legal issues at the moment, the man who's suing the Patriots tight end for allegedly shooting him in the face has some legal problems of his own.

As CBS Boston points out, Alexander Bradley, who lost his right eye in the February incident in which he says Hernandez shot him in the face, is a convicted drug dealer.

Bradley, who re-filed his $100,000 lawsuit against Hernandez this week after it was dismissed because of a paperwork mistake, says the two were riding in a car together and that Hernandez aimed a gun at Bradley. Then, the gun allegedly went off, leading to the loss of Hernandez's eye.

But in 2006, Bradley was sentenced to five years in prison for selling drugs, though that sentence was suspended after 18 months.

This past April, two months after the alleged confrontation he had with Hernandez, Bradley was arrested and charged with burglary, disorderly conduct, assault and criminal mischief.

That case remains ongoing.

Wow. Bet Aaron didn't see that coming.