Hernandez convicted of first-degree murder; found deceased in his cell. (1 Viewer)

[Ignoramus]

ESPN.com

Don't expect roster claim for Hernandez

By James Walker | ESPN.com

Former New England Patriots tight end Aaron Hernandez is one of the top 10 players at his position. He’s young, athletic, versatile and has a world of talent.

And now, any NFL team can claim him for the 2013 season within the next 24 hours.

However, chances are slim that another team will take that risk. New England released Hernandez on Wednesday, the same day he was arrested on murder and gun charges. The other 31 teams have until 4 p.m. ET Thursday to claim Hernandez -- and the rest of his $40 million contract. The safe play for other teams is to let the legal process play itself out.

"I would say almost zero," ESPN's Chris Mortensen said Wednesday on "SportsCenter" of Hernandez's chances of being claimed.

Hernandez's guilt or innocence is yet to be determined. But the immense distraction and potential legal ramifications were enough for the Patriots to distance themselves immediately. We will find out by tomorrow evening if the NFL's other 31 teams will do the same.

No ####? Good work, Scoop!

[To ESPN, not Faust]

 

[RUSF18]

So AH goes back in front of the judge for another bail hearing today. Will prosecution be allowed to site this new double murder investigation as a reason to deny bail? Or is it mute, since no charges have been filed in that case.

It would be moot.

 

[matttyl]

Ok, call me "ignorant" or whatever, but what will the murder weapon actually do for the prosecution?

I mean, if everything they have currently is being deemed "circumstantial", wouldn't saying "here's the gun used in the murder" also be? Just because they have it, and even if it has AH's prints on it (I would assume the gun is owned by him, or at least has been held by him at sometime in the past), they can't 100% say that AH actually used the gun when it was fired and killed him, can they?

I mean, I own guns, I'm sure they have my prints on them from handling them previously, but someone could take them from where they are now and kill someone with them and hide them - that doesn't mean that I'm a killer. Wouldn't they still need someone saying they personally saw Hernandez use that gun and fire it and it killed the victim?

All that being said, I personally believe that he's fully guilty of these charges.

Maybe if there are no prints from the other people in the car then it would prove that he was the one who pulled the trigger.

Maybe "the shooter" was wearing gloves. Maybe there were no prints on it at all until Hernandez picked up the gun after the murder and carried it into the house.

Don't get me wrong, I fully believe that he did this. I hope he goes away for a long, long time. I'm just saying with all the evidence that they already have - what more is actually having the gun that was used going to do for the prosecution?!

I've heard (no idea of the truth of this) that actually having the murder weapon is a difference maker in the eyes of a jury.

Ok, this may be true - and they have the shell casings and they have AH ON VIDEO with a gun in hand. I just don't see what more having the gun (no matter where it's found) that was used in the killing (even if it has AH's prints on it, as it's likely "his" just like the rental was was/is) will do for them.

 

[QuizGuy66]

http://www.myfoxboston.com/story/22702430/2013/06/27/source-hernandez-investigated-in-boston-double-killing

Source: Hernandez investigated in Boston double-killing

BOSTON (MyFoxBoston.com) -- FOX 25 has learned exclusively that investigators are looking into Aaron Hernandez as a possible suspect in a double murder that happened on July 16, 2012 in downtown Boston.

According to the Boston Police blog from that date, officers responded to the intersection of Shawmut Avenue and Herald Street just after 2 a.m. When they arrived, they found three people had been shot, two fatally, as they sat in a car at a traffic light.

The men were identified as Safiro Furtado and Daniel Abreu. The FOX 25 source said the men, who worked at a cleaning company in Dorchester, had just left a bar in the area.

Furtado and Abreu were sitting in the front seat of the vehicle when witnesses said the occupants of a gray or silver SUV with Rhode Island plates opened fire on it. The surviving victim was in the back seat. Investigators believed two others in the car fled the scene.

The source said that investigators were looking into Aaron Hernandez's connection to the killing.

On Wednesday, Hernandez was charged with murder in the death of 27-year-old Odin Lloyd, of Dorchester.

An investigation is ongoing.

Read more: http://www.myfoxboston.com/story/22702430/2013/06/27/source-hernandez-investigated-in-boston-double-killing#ixzz2XQSnc7eY

 

[Raiderfan32904]

They have AH with a gun on his hand in the video. It may be too grainy to confirm that its the 45. But in any case, he's not cooperated with the police to tell them where that gun is. Wouldn't this key piece of evidence coupled with his non-cooperation be enough evidence to pin the murder weapon on him. Put another way, couldn't the prosecution say, if you didn't do it, then produce the gun and absolve yourself of guilt. If you don't produce the weapon, everyone assumes your guilt. At some point, he's going to have to produce the weapon if he wants to continue to maintain his innocence, or cop to the guilty plea.

 

[jurb26]

http://www.myfoxboston.com/story/22702430/2013/06/27/source-hernandez-investigated-in-boston-double-killing

Source: Hernandez investigated in Boston double-killing

BOSTON (MyFoxBoston.com) -- FOX 25 has learned exclusively that investigators are looking into Aaron Hernandez as a possible suspect in a double murder that happened on July 16, 2012 in downtown Boston.

According to the Boston Police blog from that date, officers responded to the intersection of Shawmut Avenue and Herald Street just after 2 a.m. When they arrived, they found three people had been shot, two fatally, as they sat in a car at a traffic light.

The men were identified as Safiro Furtado and Daniel Abreu. The FOX 25 source said the men, who worked at a cleaning company in Dorchester, had just left a bar in the area.

Furtado and Abreu were sitting in the front seat of the vehicle when witnesses said the occupants of a gray or silver SUV with Rhode Island plates opened fire on it. The surviving victim was in the back seat. Investigators believed two others in the car fled the scene.

The source said that investigators were looking into Aaron Hernandez's connection to the killing.

On Wednesday, Hernandez was charged with murder in the death of 27-year-old Odin Lloyd, of Dorchester.

An investigation is ongoing.

Read more: http://www.myfoxboston.com/story/22702430/2013/06/27/source-hernandez-investigated-in-boston-double-killing#ixzz2XQSnc7eY

In a related note, Boston Police now looking into Hernandez's connection to the Marathon bombing, Whitey Bulger, the Isabella Stewart Gardner heist, the Boston Strangler, and the decision to trade Jeff Bagwell for Larry Andersen.

I could be wrong here but I'm reading this as they were already investigating him for the other shootings BEFORE this murder happened.

 

[KCitons]

So AH goes back in front of the judge for another bail hearing today. Will prosecution be allowed to site this new double murder investigation as a reason to deny bail? Or is it mute, since no charges have been filed in that case.

It would be moot.

yes, thanks.

 

[QuizGuy66]

I think it's all really going to boil down to Hernandez being a hard-core gang member who never left the life even when the NFL came calling. That July drive-by shooting seems like it'd be a gang-related type of deal. The shooting in Florida where the victim wouldn't rat him out seems the same way as well. Light's comments make more sense in this context as well.

If the guy in Florida had pointed him out to the police at the time of the incident, Lloyd's family wouldn't be burying him.

An 8-month old left behind too.



-QG

 

[PatsFanCT]

loooool pats fans discuss what to do with their hernandez jerseys

best answer:

Those of you with #85 Hernandez jerseys from his rookie season, replace the name bar with "Ochocinco", then throw it out.

I'll bet none of them recommended making the #81 into a Russ Francis jersey. Mainly because there were no Patriots fans back then.

I had a Russ Francis and Steve Grogan jersey back in the day, As much as I like Tom Brady, Grogan is and will always be my favorite Pats QB, and I never bought another Pats QB jersey since. Including Tom Brady's.

 

[Tau837]

At this point, aside from the victim, I'm feeling incredibly sorry for the 8 month old girl he's now leaving behind fatherless.

As bad as it is to be fatherless, odds are she is better off without him.

 

[QuizGuy66]

Having the murder weapon enables them to definitely prove it was the gun used (via ballistics). There can be Hernandez prints or DNA on it. There could be purchasing records. There's a reason that the phrase "smoking gun" is in the vernacular.

Prosecutors go about the business of putting the gun in the perp's hands in the trial. Easier when they have it.

-QG

 

[jurb26]

Having the murder weapon enables them to definitely prove it was the gun used (via ballistics). There can be Hernandez prints or DNA on it. There could be purchasing records. There's a reason that the phrase "smoking gun" is in the vernacular.

Prosecutors go about the business of putting the gun in the perp's hands in the trial. Easier when they have it.

-QG

Given the level of intelligence AH conducted the rest of this "hit" with, it's only a matter of time until they have they gun IMO. That of course is if they don't already have it.

 

[Max Power]

http://www.myfoxboston.com/story/22702430/2013/06/27/source-hernandez-investigated-in-boston-double-killing

Source: Hernandez investigated in Boston double-killing

BOSTON (MyFoxBoston.com) -- FOX 25 has learned exclusively that investigators are looking into Aaron Hernandez as a possible suspect in a double murder that happened on July 16, 2012 in downtown Boston.

According to the Boston Police blog from that date, officers responded to the intersection of Shawmut Avenue and Herald Street just after 2 a.m. When they arrived, they found three people had been shot, two fatally, as they sat in a car at a traffic light.

The men were identified as Safiro Furtado and Daniel Abreu. The FOX 25 source said the men, who worked at a cleaning company in Dorchester, had just left a bar in the area.

Furtado and Abreu were sitting in the front seat of the vehicle when witnesses said the occupants of a gray or silver SUV with Rhode Island plates opened fire on it. The surviving victim was in the back seat. Investigators believed two others in the car fled the scene.

The source said that investigators were looking into Aaron Hernandez's connection to the killing.

On Wednesday, Hernandez was charged with murder in the death of 27-year-old Odin Lloyd, of Dorchester.

An investigation is ongoing.

Read more: http://www.myfoxboston.com/story/22702430/2013/06/27/source-hernandez-investigated-in-boston-double-killing#ixzz2XQSnc7eY

If true, this makes me feel dirty for even having cheered this man on. I know I need to stop trying to make sense of all this, but at the same time, I just can't look away from this trainwreck.

I also think if this turns out to be true, the NFL is going to have to explore more options to uphold the integrity of the league.

 

[My Hope Street Alias]

I've read about 3 of every 10 pages in this thread. Practically everyone vocal in this thread is saying this is a slam dunk. The media really does control most of your thoughts and ideas, you pathetic herd of cattle. There's a reason a person is considered innocent until proven guilty and it's because the horror of a sending an innocent man to prison is thousands times worse than freeing a guilty man. It's also easy to conclude a verdict without seeing all the evidence. I hope none of you have ever been on a jury with a person's fate in your hands. Let's let this trial play out before we condemn someone.

There are several plausible scenarios that could justify AH's innocence. Perhaps he's so deep in gang b.s. that he was forced to murder his buddy. If he doesn't comply then he would be tortured/killed/ or his family tortured/killed. There have probably been thousands of "slam dunk" cases historically where the defendant is legitimately innocent (sometimes not discovered until years later). Being setup should not be ruled out as an explanation for AH's involvement. It's hard for me to understand how dumb he'd have to be to do everything exactly wrong. In fact, it's so ridiculous I think a setup is more likely than AH murdering someone.

you are 100% entirely correct about the innocent until proven guilty, and I in no way can state for a fact that ahern is actually a murderer.

however, what you might be overlooking is that you are currently posting on a fantasy football messageboard --- maybe you googled the site and didn't realize it, and oftentimes people on a board such as this speculate about the future of the occasional player.

I would guess this is not the first player speculated upon, and my guess is that hernandez is more of an avoid than an exploit, at this point in time.

I, however, am not a professional ff player.

I'm a FF guru, tbh. This thread stopped relating to FF after page 1. He was at the bottom of my TE rankings 2 days ago. I'm just disappointed at the blatant disregard for a fair trial. There is quite possibly a different story than the picture being painted by the media. Of course, maybe the picture being painted is the right one, which is definitely a possibility too. I'm not saying one scenario is right or wrong. I'm saying, open your minds to ALL scenarios, not the easiest one.For the record, I own AH in zero of my 7 leagues.

Wait, when did he go to trial?Jeremy Schaap just said (on ESPNews) it could take years to go trial.

Until then you are not to have, desire or express an opinion on the matter, you low-intelligence farm animal!

LOL

 

[gianmarco]

At this point, aside from the victim, I'm feeling incredibly sorry for the 8 month old girl he's now leaving behind fatherless.

As bad as it is to be fatherless, odds are she is better off without him.

Not disagreeing here. Just sad that being a new father and "having it all" wasn't enough to keep him from being a despicable human being.

 

[PatsFanCT]

someone said it earlier, anyone would have given his left nut to be this guy two weeks ago. he was on top of the world, magabuck contract extension. living in a mansion at age 23. probably had some costly workout supplements and a strict diet to stay in game shape. built like a beast, his body was his temple, and his key to independent wealth till he got old and gray. celebrity for life, no money worries....

now, he's being fed cut canned green beans and wonder bread for dinner. and he can say bye to his relatively cheap pot habit. the world will forget about him soon enough, and he'll get old and gray in another way. he'll have all the time in the world to think about just how stupid he was. what a waste.

He doesn't even get Wonder bread. They went out of business when Hostess did. Now he's stuck with Arnold's.

 

[Sinn Fein]

They have AH with a gun on his hand in the video. It may be too grainy to confirm that its the 45. But in any case, he's not cooperated with the police to tell them where that gun is. Wouldn't this key piece of evidence coupled with his non-cooperation be enough evidence to pin the murder weapon on him. Put another way, couldn't the prosecution say, if you didn't do it, then produce the gun and absolve yourself of guilt. If you don't produce the weapon, everyone assumes your guilt. At some point, he's going to have to produce the weapon if he wants to continue to maintain his innocence, or cop to the guilty plea.

DA does not need the gun to convict.

Also, DA does not need to prove AH was the shooter to convict of murder 1 - DA will just need to prove that one of the three killed Lloyd, and that they acted together - hence the info about the texts from AH to his buddies to hurry up.

Best case scenario for AH at this point, he was not the shooter, wanted to scare the guy, but one of the other two got trigger happy and shot the Lloyd.

AH agrees to testify against the shooter, and accepts plea of twenty years with possibility of parole.

They were there, out of the car, for like 2-3 minutes. That's not much time to escalate from 'scare' to 'kill'.

I did not say it was a likely scenario, only best case. I could see a scenario where they get out, force Lloyd on the ground threatening to kill him, per AH's "plan", then one of the other guys gets an itchy trigger finger and started shooting. Its not that far fetched - but again, I see that as his upside, and doing 20 years as part of a plea bargain.

Downside is he goes down for murder 1 on this - life no parole.

 

[menobrown]

http://www.myfoxboston.com/story/22702430/2013/06/27/source-hernandez-investigated-in-boston-double-killing

Source: Hernandez investigated in Boston double-killing

BOSTON (MyFoxBoston.com) -- FOX 25 has learned exclusively that investigators are looking into Aaron Hernandez as a possible suspect in a double murder that happened on July 16, 2012 in downtown Boston.

According to the Boston Police blog from that date, officers responded to the intersection of Shawmut Avenue and Herald Street just after 2 a.m. When they arrived, they found three people had been shot, two fatally, as they sat in a car at a traffic light.

The men were identified as Safiro Furtado and Daniel Abreu. The FOX 25 source said the men, who worked at a cleaning company in Dorchester, had just left a bar in the area.

Furtado and Abreu were sitting in the front seat of the vehicle when witnesses said the occupants of a gray or silver SUV with Rhode Island plates opened fire on it. The surviving victim was in the back seat. Investigators believed two others in the car fled the scene.

The source said that investigators were looking into Aaron Hernandez's connection to the killing.

On Wednesday, Hernandez was charged with murder in the death of 27-year-old Odin Lloyd, of Dorchester.

An investigation is ongoing.

Read more: http://www.myfoxboston.com/story/22702430/2013/06/27/source-hernandez-investigated-in-boston-double-killing#ixzz2XQSnc7eY

In a related note, Boston Police now looking into Hernandez's connection to the Marathon bombing, Whitey Bulger, the Isabella Stewart Gardner heist, the Boston Strangler, and the decision to trade Jeff Bagwell for Larry Andersen.

I could be wrong here but I'm reading this as they were already investigating him for the other shootings BEFORE this murder happened.

I'm not saying you are wrong, maybe I'm missing something,but why do you infer this murder investigation was ongoing before this latest murder?

Makes a big difference IMO since if he was not a suspect before and is now I would think it's highly likely they uncovered evidence in his house which led to the connection. Like as an example the gun they did find that Hernandez tried to bury.

 

[Bruce Hammond]

At this point, aside from the victim, I'm feeling incredibly sorry for the 8 month old girl he's now leaving behind fatherless.

As bad as it is to be fatherless, odds are she is better off without him.

Exactly what I was thinking.

 

[Donnybrook]

At this point, aside from the victim, I'm feeling incredibly sorry for the 8 month old girl he's now leaving behind fatherless.

As bad as it is to be fatherless, odds are she is better off without him.

Based on what? Has Odin Lloyd been linked to any crime?

 

[jurb26]

http://www.myfoxboston.com/story/22702430/2013/06/27/source-hernandez-investigated-in-boston-double-killing

Source: Hernandez investigated in Boston double-killing

BOSTON (MyFoxBoston.com) -- FOX 25 has learned exclusively that investigators are looking into Aaron Hernandez as a possible suspect in a double murder that happened on July 16, 2012 in downtown Boston.According to the Boston Police blog from that date, officers responded to the intersection of Shawmut Avenue and Herald Street just after 2 a.m. When they arrived, they found three people had been shot, two fatally, as they sat in a car at a traffic light.The men were identified as Safiro Furtado and Daniel Abreu. The FOX 25 source said the men, who worked at a cleaning company in Dorchester, had just left a bar in the area.Furtado and Abreu were sitting in the front seat of the vehicle when witnesses said the occupants of a gray or silver SUV with Rhode Island plates opened fire on it. The surviving victim was in the back seat. Investigators believed two others in the car fled the scene.The source said that investigators were looking into Aaron Hernandez's connection to the killing.On Wednesday, Hernandez was charged with murder in the death of 27-year-old Odin Lloyd, of Dorchester.An investigation is ongoing.Read more: http://www.myfoxboston.com/story/22702430/2013/06/27/source-hernandez-investigated-in-boston-double-killing#ixzz2XQSnc7eY

In a related note, Boston Police now looking into Hernandez's connection to the Marathon bombing, Whitey Bulger, the Isabella Stewart Gardner heist, the Boston Strangler, and the decision to trade Jeff Bagwell for Larry Andersen.

I could be wrong here but I'm reading this as they were already investigating him for the other shootings BEFORE this murder happened.

I'm not saying you are wrong, maybe I'm missing something,but why do you infer this murder investigation was ongoing before this latest murder?

Makes a big difference IMO since if he was not a suspect before and is now I would think it's highly likely they uncovered evidence in his house which led to the connection. Like as an example the gun they did find that Hernandez tried to bury.

I guess because of the date of the incident and their use of the word "were." It happened a year ago and they say authorities were looking into AH. Again, I could be wrong but that's just how it seemed to me as I read it.

 

[Bad_Mo]

http://www.myfoxboston.com/story/22702430/2013/06/27/source-hernandez-investigated-in-boston-double-killing

Source: Hernandez investigated in Boston double-killing

BOSTON (MyFoxBoston.com) -- FOX 25 has learned exclusively that investigators are looking into Aaron Hernandez as a possible suspect in a double murder that happened on July 16, 2012 in downtown Boston.

According to the Boston Police blog from that date, officers responded to the intersection of Shawmut Avenue and Herald Street just after 2 a.m. When they arrived, they found three people had been shot, two fatally, as they sat in a car at a traffic light.

The men were identified as Safiro Furtado and Daniel Abreu. The FOX 25 source said the men, who worked at a cleaning company in Dorchester, had just left a bar in the area.

Furtado and Abreu were sitting in the front seat of the vehicle when witnesses said the occupants of a gray or silver SUV with Rhode Island plates opened fire on it. The surviving victim was in the back seat. Investigators believed two others in the car fled the scene.

The source said that investigators were looking into Aaron Hernandez's connection to the killing.

On Wednesday, Hernandez was charged with murder in the death of 27-year-old Odin Lloyd, of Dorchester.

An investigation is ongoing.

Read more: http://www.myfoxboston.com/story/22702430/2013/06/27/source-hernandez-investigated-in-boston-double-killing#ixzz2XQSnc7eY

wow! the hits keep coming. unreal!

The fact that they worked at a cleaning company certainly is a delicious coincidence, isn't it?

Well, maybe he was asking them, at the red light, if they would be willing to come to his house in about a year from then to do some work at his house. They respectfully declined, and Hernandez shot them.

Glad this POS is off the Patriots. I bet we'll find out even more dirt on this scumbag as things move forward.

 

[PatsFanCT]

little late to the party here....so I may not be aware of some details....but one of the first things I was thinking is that AH wouldn't be the one actually pulling the trigger, he would have one of his boys do it....the eventual connection from the victim to AH would be pretty easy.....so you know he is going to be questioned...they were out in public together, etc....you would think that one of his buddies would be the trigger man since AH is the money maker/gravy train of the "operation"......

"yo Aaron...I got this man....I'll do this for you...you just keep ballin".....

now I know him being there still puts him in some deep ####, and he will get some charges for obstruction, etc....but if he didn't do it and his boys back up a story of he didn't want us to do it and tried to stop it....he could get some lesser charges that get him out of prison and back on a field pretty quick.....where he then "takes care of his boys" as best as he can while they are in prison....

They have intent, Aaron was driving. They have fear in the text messages. It doesn't matter who pulled the trigger, they're all getting the same charge in the eyes of the law.

I've seen this a couple times already. What is this "fear" you speak of?

Its a inference drawn from two texts he sent:

(Might be Paraphrasing)

1. I'm with NFL

2. Just so you know

The inference being - if I don't show up tomorrow, you know who killed me.

That's not how I read it. Hey, I'm with a star football player, just so you know... As in, yeah, this is cool.

They didn't just happen to meet at an Applebees that night; they've known each other for a year and Lloyd was dating Hernandez' baby momma's sister. Lloyd was picked up at 2:32. The "Just so you know" text went out at 3:22 - one minute before he was executed. The guy wasn't checking in on Foursquare, Columbo.

Ah the irony. If you read any further than that post, you would have seen where I retracted and realized the context... Pink Panther.

 

[Bad_Mo]

At this point, aside from the victim, I'm feeling incredibly sorry for the 8 month old girl he's now leaving behind fatherless.

I also feel sorry for her, however, she has a better chance at survival in life if her POS daddy is locked up until he dies. She shouldn't run the risk of being taken out if POS daddy rubs one gang member the wrong way and that gang member goes after POS daddy's family. Still has POS daddy's money that the Patriots could have recouped if they waited.

 

[Hinezer]

http://www.myfoxboston.com/story/22702430/2013/06/27/source-hernandez-investigated-in-boston-double-killing

Source: Hernandez investigated in Boston double-killing

BOSTON (MyFoxBoston.com) -- FOX 25 has learned exclusively that investigators are looking into Aaron Hernandez as a possible suspect in a double murder that happened on July 16, 2012 in downtown Boston.

According to the Boston Police blog from that date, officers responded to the intersection of Shawmut Avenue and Herald Street just after 2 a.m. When they arrived, they found three people had been shot, two fatally, as they sat in a car at a traffic light.

The men were identified as Safiro Furtado and Daniel Abreu. The FOX 25 source said the men, who worked at a cleaning company in Dorchester, had just left a bar in the area.

Furtado and Abreu were sitting in the front seat of the vehicle when witnesses said the occupants of a gray or silver SUV with Rhode Island plates opened fire on it. The surviving victim was in the back seat. Investigators believed two others in the car fled the scene.

The source said that investigators were looking into Aaron Hernandez's connection to the killing.

On Wednesday, Hernandez was charged with murder in the death of 27-year-old Odin Lloyd, of Dorchester.

An investigation is ongoing.

Read more: http://www.myfoxboston.com/story/22702430/2013/06/27/source-hernandez-investigated-in-boston-double-killing#ixzz2XQSnc7eY

Makes sense. With all the evidence Hernandez left behind, he must have a good reason to think he could get away with it. If he had gotten away with this double murder and also shooting a guy in the face earlier this year, why not believe that he could get away with this one? It could also explain why he felt the need to kill Lloyd. Maybe the guys at the club that Lloyd was talking to were connected to these two victims. Or maybe Hernandez is just a bat-#### crazy thug.

 

[disatro]

At this point, aside from the victim, I'm feeling incredibly sorry for the 8 month old girl he's now leaving behind fatherless.

As bad as it is to be fatherless, odds are she is better off without him.

Based on what? Has Odin Lloyd been linked to any crime?

Hernandez left the daughter behind, not Lloyd

 

[Raiderfan32904]

They have AH with a gun on his hand in the video. It may be too grainy to confirm that its the 45. But in any case, he's not cooperated with the police to tell them where that gun is. Wouldn't this key piece of evidence coupled with his non-cooperation be enough evidence to pin the murder weapon on him. Put another way, couldn't the prosecution say, if you didn't do it, then produce the gun and absolve yourself of guilt. If you don't produce the weapon, everyone assumes your guilt. At some point, he's going to have to produce the weapon if he wants to continue to maintain his innocence, or cop to the guilty plea.

DA does not need the gun to convict.

Also, DA does not need to prove AH was the shooter to convict of murder 1 - DA will just need to prove that one of the three killed Lloyd, and that they acted together - hence the info about the texts from AH to his buddies to hurry up.

Yes, I understand they have a ton of evidence that is enough to convict him. Just surmising that the prosecution would use the video as physical evidence that cannot be refuted by Hernandez and he will have to explain what happened to the gun. That is if he hangs on to any illusions that he can get off with a plea deal. That gun is going to be found, if not Hernandez fessing where it's at, one or both of the other guys will tell. The video itself serves as the smoking gun.

 

[Shutout]

Having the murder weapon enables them to definitely prove it was the gun used (via ballistics). There can be Hernandez prints or DNA on it. There could be purchasing records. There's a reason that the phrase "smoking gun" is in the vernacular.

Prosecutors go about the business of putting the gun in the perp's hands in the trial. Easier when they have it.

-QG

The other side of the coin in regards to having the gun or not is, like you said, they can prove so much WITH it but if they can't produce it then the defense team could then play the other side, saying "you can't prove it WAS him without it". Granted, there may be ebough other evidence to say guilty, etc, but if this plays out along the lines of showing that three men were involved, a jury might be reluctant to push a stiffer penalty towards one over the others.

In other words, he can still be up the creek without a paddle but might not get the fullest extension of penalty unless they do have the gun and tie it directly. Humans in a jury are an odd group. As easy as it has been for a lot of people discussing it here to basically say he's guilty and throw the book at him, it is different when you actually sit on the jury. A trial like this will make danged sure it gets jurors that are going to be as about as un pre-disposed as they can possibly find and then when you have a person with an open mind and a concious sitting there, it is not uncommon that juries don't render what the public expects. One of the biggest reasons for that is that sometimes the jurors are sitting there knowing they have to live with the guilt if they doubt themselves and a lot of people need things to be absolutely in concrete to avoid that.

 

[Raiderfan32904]

A baby losing her daddy to life in jail is a tragedy. There's no need to qualify it or say, "yes but her daddy was a POS". It's a terrible loss for her regardless.

 

[Ignoramus]

little late to the party here....so I may not be aware of some details....but one of the first things I was thinking is that AH wouldn't be the one actually pulling the trigger, he would have one of his boys do it....the eventual connection from the victim to AH would be pretty easy.....so you know he is going to be questioned...they were out in public together, etc....you would think that one of his buddies would be the trigger man since AH is the money maker/gravy train of the "operation"......

"yo Aaron...I got this man....I'll do this for you...you just keep ballin".....

now I know him being there still puts him in some deep ####, and he will get some charges for obstruction, etc....but if he didn't do it and his boys back up a story of he didn't want us to do it and tried to stop it....he could get some lesser charges that get him out of prison and back on a field pretty quick.....where he then "takes care of his boys" as best as he can while they are in prison....

They have intent, Aaron was driving. They have fear in the text messages. It doesn't matter who pulled the trigger, they're all getting the same charge in the eyes of the law.

I've seen this a couple times already. What is this "fear" you speak of?

Its a inference drawn from two texts he sent:

(Might be Paraphrasing)

1. I'm with NFL

2. Just so you know

The inference being - if I don't show up tomorrow, you know who killed me.

That's not how I read it. Hey, I'm with a star football player, just so you know... As in, yeah, this is cool.

They didn't just happen to meet at an Applebees that night; they've known each other for a year and Lloyd was dating Hernandez' baby momma's sister. Lloyd was picked up at 2:32. The "Just so you know" text went out at 3:22 - one minute before he was executed. The guy wasn't checking in on Foursquare, Columbo.

Ah the irony. If you read any further than that post, you would have seen where I retracted and realized the context... Pink Panther.

Sick burn. Forgive me for having not read through all 50+ pages yet, sport.

 

[Donnybrook]

At this point, aside from the victim, I'm feeling incredibly sorry for the 8 month old girl he's now leaving behind fatherless.

As bad as it is to be fatherless, odds are she is better off without him.

Based on what? Has Odin Lloyd been linked to any crime?

Hernandez left the daughter behind, not Lloyd

Thanks for clarification. I have read a lot of crazy theories earlier in this thead making Lloyd out to be a child molester or a women beater. As far as I know, he was a regular guy who knew too much about AH business.

 

[Bad_Mo]

A baby losing her daddy to life in jail is a tragedy. There's no need to qualify it or say, "yes but her daddy was a POS". It's a terrible loss for her regardless.

Just speaking the truth, brother.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

Or maybe Hernandez is just a bat-#### crazy thug.

Leaning this way myself. Straight out psycho.

 

[Ignoramus]

A baby losing her daddy to life in jail is a tragedy. There's no need to qualify it or say, "yes but her daddy was a POS". It's a terrible loss for her regardless.

Her dad is allegedly a murderous, gang-banging POS. I'll roll the dice on her life turning out better without him around.

 

[Bad_Mo]

It'd be interesting to hear from Lloyd's GF or Hernandez's fiancee.

You can't tell me they don't know what has gone on, why this happened, etc.

 

[PatsFanCT]

little late to the party here....so I may not be aware of some details....but one of the first things I was thinking is that AH wouldn't be the one actually pulling the trigger, he would have one of his boys do it....the eventual connection from the victim to AH would be pretty easy.....so you know he is going to be questioned...they were out in public together, etc....you would think that one of his buddies would be the trigger man since AH is the money maker/gravy train of the "operation"......

"yo Aaron...I got this man....I'll do this for you...you just keep ballin".....

now I know him being there still puts him in some deep ####, and he will get some charges for obstruction, etc....but if he didn't do it and his boys back up a story of he didn't want us to do it and tried to stop it....he could get some lesser charges that get him out of prison and back on a field pretty quick.....where he then "takes care of his boys" as best as he can while they are in prison....

They have intent, Aaron was driving. They have fear in the text messages. It doesn't matter who pulled the trigger, they're all getting the same charge in the eyes of the law.

I've seen this a couple times already. What is this "fear" you speak of?

Its a inference drawn from two texts he sent:

(Might be Paraphrasing)

1. I'm with NFL

2. Just so you know

The inference being - if I don't show up tomorrow, you know who killed me.

That's not how I read it. Hey, I'm with a star football player, just so you know... As in, yeah, this is cool.

They didn't just happen to meet at an Applebees that night; they've known each other for a year and Lloyd was dating Hernandez' baby momma's sister. Lloyd was picked up at 2:32. The "Just so you know" text went out at 3:22 - one minute before he was executed. The guy wasn't checking in on Foursquare, Columbo.

Ah the irony. If you read any further than that post, you would have seen where I retracted and realized the context... Pink Panther.

Sick burn. Forgive me for having not read through all 50+ pages yet, sport.

You only had to read a few more posts, chief.

 

[PatsFanCT]

A baby losing her daddy to life in jail is a tragedy. There's no need to qualify it or say, "yes but her daddy was a POS". It's a terrible loss for her regardless.

Her dad is allegedly a murderous, gang-banging POS. I'll roll the dice on her life turning out better without him around.

I hate to agree with Ignoramus after his recent needling, but he is absolutely correct.

 

[Bad_Mo]

There is no clause or special power the NFL has over the cap/bonus implications, correct?

I mean, what happened in the Rae Carruth situation? Did the Panthers just have to suck it up as if their guy were injured?

 

[KCitons]

At this point, aside from the victim, I'm feeling incredibly sorry for the 8 month old girl he's now leaving behind fatherless.

As bad as it is to be fatherless, odds are she is better off without him.

Based on what? Has Odin Lloyd been linked to any crime?

Hernandez left the daughter behind, not Lloyd

Thanks for clarification. I have read a lot of crazy theories earlier in this thead making Lloyd out to be a child molester or a women beater. As far as I know, he was a regular guy who knew too much about AH business.

I would like to know more about Lloyd before passing judgement. But, if he knew Hernandez and was going to clubs with him regularly, I have my reservations that he was a "regular" guy.

 

[Donnybrook]

Thanks for clarification. I have read a lot of crazy theories earlier in this thead making Lloyd out to be a child molester or a women beater. As far as I know, he was a regular guy who knew too much about AH business.

I would like to know more about Lloyd before passing judgement. But, if he knew Hernandez and was going to clubs with him regularly, I have my reservations that he was a "regular" guy.

I am not passing judgement. I wrote "as far as I know" .

 

[KCitons]

Thanks for clarification. I have read a lot of crazy theories earlier in this thead making Lloyd out to be a child molester or a women beater. As far as I know, he was a regular guy who knew too much about AH business.

I would like to know more about Lloyd before passing judgement. But, if he knew Hernandez and was going to clubs with him regularly, I have my reservations that he was a "regular" guy.

I am not passing judgement. I wrote "as far as I know" .

didn't say you were. Sorry for the misunderstanding.

I am waiting to pass judgement. If we find out that Lloyd was just another thug, then I won't have much sympathy. As, I mentioned yesterday, I do feel bad for his Mother. No parent wants to bury their child.

 

[Raiderfan32904]

Now we're villainizing the victim? nice.

 

[Sarnoff]

Flat out murdering someone is not something someone with a Super Bowl ring would do. I wonder if losing in 2010 got the best of Hernandez. Ironic that the crazy Plaxico Burress catch could be responsible for this, as well as for derailing Plaxico's career too.

 

[massraider]

Flat out murdering someone is not something someone with a Super Bowl ring would do. I wonder if losing in 2010 got the best of Hernandez. Ironic that the crazy Plaxico Burress catch could be responsible for this, as well as for derailing Plaxico's career too.

 

[KCitons]

Now we're villainizing the victim? nice.

Who's villainizing? I'm holding my decision until we find out more facts.

But honestly, with what we are finding out about AH over the past couple of years, I doubt he is hanging out with a lot of born again christians or boy scouts.

Remember, two weeks ago everyone thought Hernandez was a somewhat troubled pot smoker that was getting his life in order now after a baby and a new contract. What do you think of Hernandez now?

 

[Anarchy99]

There is no clause or special power the NFL has over the cap/bonus implications, correct?

I mean, what happened in the Rae Carruth situation? Did the Panthers just have to suck it up as if their guy were injured?

I believe the Patriots will eventually try to recoup some of the $12.5 million he was paid as a signing bonus or some of the additional money that was guaranteed but not paid as a signing bonus. By releasing him before he was suspended by the league, to the letter of the CBA, they are not entitled to cap relief as he would be recorded as a regular player release and subject to an accelerated cap hit for his unaccounted for signing bonus money. NE would have the option of taking the cap hit all at once or spreading it out over this season and next season.

However, they may be able to file special circumstances or argue that AH voided his contract first by breaking morals or conducting unbecoming clauses in the player conduct section of the CBA (even if it was not written directly into his contract with NE). That's what I was alluding to pages and pages ago that there could have been discussions between the team and the league as to whether they could pursue that at a later date.

But as things stand right now, the Pats will have to eat the cap hit for the remainder of his signing bonus.

8/27/2012: Signed a seven-year, $41.115 million contract. The deal contains $16.4 million guaranteed, including a $12.5 million signing bonus. An annual $500,000 roster bonus is due in years four through seven. An annual $500,000 workout bonus is available in years three through seven. 2013: $1.323 million, 2014: $1.2 million, 2015: $2.3 million, 2016: $5 million, 2017-2018: $6 million, 2019: Free Agent

 

[Sinn Fein]

Flat out murdering someone is not something someone with a Super Bowl ring would do. I wonder if losing in 2010 got the best of Hernandez. Ironic that the crazy Plaxico Burress catch could be responsible for this, as well as for derailing Plaxico's career too.

Tell that to Putin.

 

[Sarnoff]

Flat out murdering someone is not something someone with a Super Bowl ring would do. I wonder if losing in 2010 got the best of Hernandez. Ironic that the crazy Plaxico Burress catch could be responsible for this, as well as for derailing Plaxico's career too.

Tell that to Putin.

A fair point. When all's said and done, Putin will retire with more rings than Hernandez. Crazy.

 

[tombonneau]

Flat out murdering someone is not something someone with a Super Bowl ring would do. I wonder if losing in 2010 got the best of Hernandez. Ironic that the crazy Plaxico Burress catch could be responsible for this, as well as for derailing Plaxico's career too.

You might need to re-watch your Super Bowls.

ETA: As a Pats fan I get it though, the Giants beat us so many times it's hard to keep track. :(

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

Former New England Patriots player Aaron Hernandez, already facing charges in a murder last week in North Attleborough, is also being investigated in connection with a 2012 double murder in Boston, according to two law enforcement officials briefed on the investigation.

Investigators believe a fight broke out at Cure, a club in the South End, between two men and a group that included Hernandez.

The two men, Daniel Abreu and Safiro Furtado, friends who grew up in Cape Verde, left the club with three other men in a BMW sedan.

Abreu, who was driving, stopped at a traffic light on Shawmut Avenue, about to make a left onto Herald Street, when a silver or gray SUV with Rhode Island license plates pulled alongside the sedan. Someone from the SUV opened fire, killing Abreu, 29, and Furtado, 28.

The men who were with them survived the attack and the killings were left unsolved.

The officials said investigators now believe that Odin Lloyd, the man Hernandez is charged with killing in a North Attleboro industrial park June 17, may have had information about Hernandez’s role in the double slaying.

“The motive might have been that the victim knew [Hernandez] might have been involved,” one of the officials said.

The new revelations raised the specter that Hernandez might have been playing football games last season with the Patriots after he had participated in a double murder.

Hernandez pleaded not guilty Wednesday to murder and firearms charges in Attleboro District Court in the killing of Lloyd, who was shot to death June 17 in an industrial park near Hernandez’s North Attleborough home.

In other news today, a second man connected to the Lloyd murder was identified: Carlos Ortiz, a 27-year-old man who lives in Bristol, Conn., Hernandez’s hometown.

The attack in Boston occurred just after 2 a.m. on July 16, 2012. Police said the shooter fired numerous times into the car, striking Abreu and Furtado, who was in the passenger seat.

One of the back-seat passengers was shot three times in the arm but survived. He was rushed to Tufts Medical Center and was treated and released. The other two occupants fled the car and were unharmed.

The two men’s deaths at the time were a mystery to their families and police, who said they had no ties to criminal activity.

Furtado was a tour guide on the idyllic island of Boa Vista in Cape Verde, where he led a mostly European clientele on jaunts along silky sand dunes, whispering palm trees, and world-class beaches, his family said. He arrived in Dorchester five months before he was killed to reconnect with his mother and sister, whom he had not seen in a decade.

Abreu grew up in Cape Verde, where he worked as a police officer there. He arrived in Dorchester around 2008 and became friends with Furtado. The two men were working together for a cleaning company based on Hamilton Street in Dorchester at the time of their deaths.

Authorities never found the SUV tied to the shooting.