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For the record, this last post was phrased correctly. Merriman will lead his team to the playoffs. Eli's merely attending.Merriman may lead the Chargers to the playoffs in a few years. Eli has already been there.TIA.1 and done for the Giants, have fun with that.Sincerely,Eli's In.
You're Out.
Shawne Merriman
Bah, I said MAY not WILL. Eli WILL lead his team to the Super Bowl eventually.For the record, this last post was phrased correctly. Merriman will lead his team to the playoffs. Eli's merely attending.Merriman may lead the Chargers to the playoffs in a few years. Eli has already been there.TIA.1 and done for the Giants, have fun with that.Sincerely,Eli's In.
You're Out.
Shawne Merriman
Neither is a bonafide contender, true... but no 5/6 seed ever is. If we don't want teams that aren't bonafide contenders in the playoffs, why not reduce down to 4 teams per conference?The goal of the playoffs is to get the 6 best teams from each conference. I don't think that happened this year in the AFC. Kansas City has a better chance of winning a playoff game or two than Jacksonville, at the very least, in my humble opinion. I'd also put them in over Pittsburgh and *gasp* New England. Again, 6-4 against teams above .500. Only Denver and Indy can make a stronger claim.
Turn the Tool Volume WAY down if you want to keep posting here.TIA.
Not with this style.J
Cut him a little slack. A moderately above-average season is apparently a big cause for celebration in New York.
Hearing a group of fans bash a kid just out of college for the better part of 2 years, and that kid is playing while the team that was "jilted( 
)" sits at home is cause for celebration.
You don't think Charger fans are justified in bashing Eli after his actions?
Hearing a group of fans bash a kid just out of college for the better part of 2 years, and that kid is playing while the team that was "jilted(
I never heard Bucs fans bash Steve Young or Colts fans bash Elway the way the Whiny Tool Chargers fans have bashed Eli.
We are over it. We didn't start this thread. You did.You don't think Charger fans are justified in bashing Eli after his actions?
Hearing a group of fans bash a kid just out of college for the better part of 2 years, and that kid is playing while the team that was "jilted(
He told you not to draft him. So go draft someone else and pay him millions. It's not like he said he was excited to be a Charger and couldn't wait to be drafted by them, and then drag out an impossibly long hold out hoping to get traded.
Grow up and root for the guys you got for him. Get over it!
Apparently you weren't listening. Bucs and Colts fans had quite a bit to say about Young and Elway at the time.You don't think Charger fans are justified in bashing Eli after his actions?
Hearing a group of fans bash a kid just out of college for the better part of 2 years, and that kid is playing while the team that was "jilted(
Again, the trade doesnt matter to me except the player we received (Eli), the one we decided not to trade (Umi) and how the team does. I hope the chargers and all their picks do great.Merriman has looked great - but no player (outside of a once in a generation LT) can take over a team like a franchise QB ... so a lot of this trades judgement down the road will be whether or not one, both or neither of the top 4 picks in that draft who were traded becomes just that.
Agree 100%. The lemming mentality among Charger fans has made me laugh since the '04 draft. Very vocal in their opinions of Eli and the Giants. Blindingly misinformed defenses of AJ Smith. Never letting an opportunity to kick the Giants or Eli go to waste.
In what way are they mininformed in this regard?
More thoughts fom the AJ Smith alternate universe:Yeah, that Sammy Davis pick has been lights out.
I take it you will just ignore my main point then - that the only way I measure this trade is how many wins the Giants get from it. I like the bolts and hope their side of the deal works out well.That said, an elite, franchise QB is something so rare and so important that if either of the QBs involved becomes that, and the other doesnt, the team that gains the franchise QB would "win" the trade. Unless Merriman becomes the next LT.
Umm he tried to make Osi part of the Eli trade. NYG wouldnt part with him.He corrected the Boston mistake. Something alot of GM's in this league dont do.
You are correct about Osi, I'm sure 31 gm's in the league would love to have him but you can't force a team to trade with you to the best of my knowledge.Actually Boston was signed(more than a month) and Harrison was released(almost two months) before AJ was even promoted to GM. I'm not sure if those calls were completely his to make at the time or if he was just one voice of many but it's kind of hard to be critical of a job performence as GM...... when he wasn't the GM yet.
LOL. AJ's drafts have been fantastic. Name a GM who has nailed every single one of his picks.
He handled the Gates situation very well, IMO, but I know some people disagree. In any event, the Chargers would have missed the playoffs even if they'd beaten the Cowboys, so stun on you.
Correct. Kaeding is very good.
Harrison didn't fit the Chargers' defensive scheme, but I don't know what that has to do with AJ Smith.
Umenyiora. Again, I don't know what that has to do with AJ Smith. AJ tried to trade for him, and in hindsight, it would have been a great move.
No, actually, Boston sucked. Which is why getting rid of him was one of the first things AJ Smith did when he became GM.If we give you a break and ignore the completely irrelevant criticisms (Harrison, Boston, Osi), what's left is the fact that he didn't strike it big on every single draft pick he's ever made (although he's done better than any other GM I can think of), he drafted Kaeding who's been very good, and he tried to trade for Osi but the Giants said no.Good criticisms.
I agree that letting Harrison go was a major mistake.Part of the blame has to fall in the lap of Marty for not adjusting his schemes to take full advantage of Harrison's strengths. His mis-use of Harrison along with the lack of development of the highly drafted CB's are probably my only two gripes about Marty's time in SD.
Eli didn't want to play for the Chargers, because he thought that the Chargers sucked. He forced a trade to the Giants. The joke was on him, because the Chargers have been a drastically better team than the Giants.Cheering because you made the playoffs and they did not is ignorant. If you played in the AFC West, then you wouldn't have made the playoffs, either. Our division, as well as our conference, is quite simply better than yours.
Hearing a group of fans bash a kid just out of college for the better part of 2 years, and that kid is playing while the team that was "jilted(
That and the fact that everyone picked the Giants to finish last.
Just giving it back to them for all the fun they had last year.
:fore!:
First off, go read recaps of Elway's first game in Baltimore.Second off, Elway at least had a reason for forcing the trade- his family hated Baltimore's head coach, and always had, and he refused to play for him. And Steve Young *DID* play for Tampa. Eli had no reason not to play for San Diego, except that he thought that San Diego sucked. That was an insult to the entire organization, and it's only reasonable for SD's fans to take it as such.
I never heard Bucs fans bash Steve Young or Colts fans bash Elway the way the Whiny Tool Chargers fans have bashed Eli.
He told you not to draft him. So go draft someone else and pay him millions. It's not like he said he was excited to be a Charger and couldn't wait to be drafted by them, and then drag out an impossibly long hold out hoping to get traded.
Grow up and root for the guys you got for him. Get over it!
A GM has one job, and one job only- assembling talent under the salary cap. San Diego is one of the most talented teams in the entire NFL (evidence: 6 pro bowlers). San Diego is the healthiest team in the NFL in regards to the salary cap (evidence: they have the most room under next season's cap). Conclusion: San Diego's general manager has done one hell of a job.You can argue the specific moves all you want, but the bottom line is that he had ONE job- assembling talent under the cap- and he has assembled MORE talent for LESS than anyone else in the league. That's known as a "good job".
Yeah, must be more of that 'sloppy' reporting.
My post was more about the kind of topics and threads that cause Charger fans to gather, and stick their collective heads in the sand over.
How was Eli better than Brees?TD-INT ratio:
Brees earned more ProTrade dividends than E.Manning this year, which I think are the best measure of a player's statistical effectiveness.
Well it wasn't a very good post, IMO. It was a tough topic that you picked, though, so you didn't have much to work with. Kudos for trying.
Granted, this may apply to ThisGuy at times as well... but logic definately goes out the window when people get into innernet team pride feuds.Eli didn't want to play for the Chargers, because he thought that the Chargers sucked. He forced a trade to the Giants. The joke was on him, because the Chargers have been a drastically better team than the Giants.Cheering because you made the playoffs and they did not is ignorant. If you played in the AFC West, then you wouldn't have made the playoffs, either. Our division, as well as our conference, is quite simply better than yours.
Hearing a group of fans bash a kid just out of college for the better part of 2 years, and that kid is playing while the team that was "jilted(
That and the fact that everyone picked the Giants to finish last.
Just giving it back to them for all the fun they had last year.
:fore!:
First off, go read recaps of Elway's first game in Baltimore.Second off, Elway at least had a reason for forcing the trade- his family hated Baltimore's head coach, and always had, and he refused to play for him. And Steve Young *DID* play for Tampa. Eli had no reason not to play for San Diego, except that he thought that San Diego sucked. That was an insult to the entire organization, and it's only reasonable for SD's fans to take it as such.
I never heard Bucs fans bash Steve Young or Colts fans bash Elway the way the Whiny Tool Chargers fans have bashed Eli.
He told you not to draft him. So go draft someone else and pay him millions. It's not like he said he was excited to be a Charger and couldn't wait to be drafted by them, and then drag out an impossibly long hold out hoping to get traded.
Grow up and root for the guys you got for him. Get over it!
A GM has one job, and one job only- assembling talent under the salary cap. San Diego is one of the most talented teams in the entire NFL (evidence: 6 pro bowlers). San Diego is the healthiest team in the NFL in regards to the salary cap (evidence: they have the most room under next season's cap). Conclusion: San Diego's general manager has done one hell of a job.You can argue the specific moves all you want, but the bottom line is that he had ONE job- assembling talent under the cap- and he has assembled MORE talent for LESS than anyone else in the league. That's known as a "good job".
Keep 'em coming.
SSOG isn't a Charger fan, and he was referring to the last two seasons, over which the Chargers have 21 wins to the Giants' 17.
Seems kind of even to me. Respond all you want about Orton, but the fact that Manning took the Giants to the Division Championship gives him the edge.Particularly when you factor in that he did in 'that NY media circus' that most Charger fans gleefully pointed out that he would 'get eaten alive in'.
Well I must say, I am all broken up about you not liking the quality of my post.
But I guess you would be able to spot a bad one, given your posts on the difference between 'suspended' and 'placed on the Roster Exempt List' had more spin in them than all the washing machines in a busy laundromat.
It looks even? Have you been drinking this morning? Brees' completion percentage is 12 points higher which is like comparing a RB who ran for 1700 yards to one who ran for 900. His passer rating is significantly higher. His YPA is higher. He threw just as many TD's as Manning, but threw less INT's. Manning threw for more yards. So, in the five categories, Brees has the edge (and a significant one in three of them) in four of them vs. one for Manning. How is that even?Manning playing on a team that won its division does NOT give him the edge, especially when you consider the Giants might not have won their division if the NFL hadn't given them an extra home game (which did give them a competitive advantage regardless of whom their opponent was). Was Kyle Orton better than Jake Delhomme because he led his team to a division title and Delhomme didn't?
I don't think I am going out on a limb in saying that, aside from your beloved AJ, there is not one GM in the league that would prefer Brees over Eli. I think you may just need to drink a nice tall glass of Deal With It.Agreed on the NY media circus. That is more in response to the clueless posts that have littered this board from Charger fans regarding the 'evil NY media'. It was a popular theme amongst the many Manning bashers here for a solid 18 months.
We are not talking about who has more potential or about who will have a better career. We are talking about which QB had a better 2005 season and you were the one who said Manning had a better year than Brees and I have shown that not to be true. Deal with it.
Okay, but I have not been one of those relentless Manning bashers, so leave me out of it.
AJ did prefer Eli over Brees. Thats why he drafted him with the #1 overall pick and did everything he could in the days leading up to the draft to try to convince Eli to play for the Chargers. Unfortunately Eli refused so he had to make the best of a bad situation and made the best possible deal. I don't see how you can criticize AJ Smith for the way he handled this situation.
If there are any tough guys in San Diego, its all the transients from NY, Philly, Boston etc. San Diego is America's finest city, and its patrons are the reason for it. Eli has proved that he has improved and will most likely be a solid QB. But your arguements are weak. The G Men are a short time away from losing Tiki, Strahan, and a load of other aging talents. Be happy with your NFC East title, it wont happen again in 06.Just trying to defend Eli is all. All 70,000 tough guys in SD that were threatening and booing Eli back in September, can do it all over again...from their couches with Keading, Merriman, Rivers and Oben.Im not A Charger Fan but your post says to me, this guy is an Idiot!Eli's In.
You're Out.
You've showed nothing.All you did was post statistics that showed 2 pretty even seasons. That alone must be a shock to most Boltheads, because after all Eli sucks right.
IMO, AJ should be criticized by all Charger fans on how he handled that situation. He is the one who chose to go public with what Manning felt about the Chargers front office, not the Mannings. And he did it largely because his ego was bruised, and not because it best served the Chargers.
Incorrect. ProTrade is based off of DVOA, the proprietary stats of that indie website I keep pimping, www.footballoutsiders.com. Protrade measures improvements as well as performance, while DVOA is strictly performance.According to DVOA, Brees was the 7th best QB in the entire NFL. Eli Manning was the 17th.
You are absolutely correct. You have wrongly assumed that SSoG was a fan. That couldn't have been further from the truth. I'm a Denver Bronco fan, and have never made any secret of that fact. I'm secretly hoping that the Chargers trade Drew Brees and Phillip Rivers winds up becoming Ryan Leaf Jr. But I definitely want the Chargers to trade Brees, because he was the 6th best QB in the entire NFL last year, and I can't stand the fact that he plays in my division.If there was logic missing from my post, I assure you it came from the sections I quoted and not the sections that I wrote. As I said, I'm neither a NYG nor a SDC fan. I have no dog in this fight. I only posted because I found the claims the NYG fans were making to be ludicrous in the extreme.
A.J. preferred Eli over Brees when he thought Brees was a bust. He also preferred Rivers over Brees, but we can clearly see that he's changed his mind.Also, there's nothing to show that AJ even preferred Manning over Rivers. Even if he thought that Rivers was the #1 QB in the draft, he would have drafted Manning #1 overall since he had a much higher market value. Drafting Manning and trading for Rivers netted him extra picks which drafting Rivers straight up would not have, even if he thought that Rivers was the better player.
You think those statistics show 2 pretty even seasons? ARE YOU HIGH?Drew Brees's QB rating was 10th, immediately behind Plummer, Green, and Leftwich. Eli's QB rating was 23rd, immediately behind Collins, Carr, and Dilfer. Oh yeah, clearly those are "pretty even" seasons. Clearly, any objective viewer would conclude that David Carr and Trent Green are more or less the same ballpark.You've showed nothing.
All you did was post statistics that showed 2 pretty even seasons. That alone must be a shock to most Boltheads, because after all Eli sucks right.
You even prefaced your intial post on the topic with that Kyle Orton line, because you concluded, just as I did, that the NFC East Championship was the last rock to tip the scales. Yeah, Eli had a better year than Brees, IMO.
With regards to the relentless Manning bashers, appologies if you are not part of that boarderline cult mentality that exists here.
Actually, you might be on to something, he seems to have quite some serious paranoia/persecution complex issues...
