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ericttspikes
Footballguy
I was on the Griese is the better QB bandwagon too, and I still think he is from a pure QB sense. Rex is showing why the staff loves the guy, he has "it". He's a gamer; gutsy, firey competitor and a leader who the players love...all things Griese isn't. If Rex comes down to earth or gets hurt, Griese should be able to keep of O moving. I called Griese starting by week 6, but hope that isn't the case now as Rex is doing great.
comfortably numb
Footballguy
Im still wondering where he was going with that gun his hand
Horses Mouth
Footballguy
I was dreaming last night that Rex is like a younger Favre. don't where that came from.
Hi Bertha,I think I'd have to be crazy not to with as good as he's played. I definitely was one of the guys calling for Griese but Grossman has proven me wrong, no doubt. I'm certain it won't be the last time.
J
shuke
Black Ice Skeptic
Way down south.
Otis
Footballguy
Bump.In "Bold as Love" Hendrix says:
"I'm bold as love
just ask the axis
he knows, he knows"
WTF means this
Who is the axis?
TIA
wraith5
Footballguy
Joe, how many more times can Grossman prove you wrong, exactly??!?Hi Bertha,I think I'd have to be crazy not to with as good as he's played. I definitely was one of the guys calling for Griese but Grossman has proven me wrong, no doubt. I'm certain it won't be the last time.
Marc Levin
Hangs out with Oscar Zeta Acosta
I'm most impressed with Grossman's touch on the deep ball.
That's been their entire offense - a big hit downfield and then stomp on the opponent defensively.
That's been their entire offense - a big hit downfield and then stomp on the opponent defensively.
wraith5
Footballguy
Those comments had me scratching my head as well.BrentBlack
Footballguy
This thread was much better when it was about the Dead.
Kit Fisto
Footballguy
Just as soon as he admits Reggie Williams is better than Earnest Wilford.
redman
Footballguy
perry147
Footballguy
wraith5,I think Joe was like most of us - How often has a Bears QB factor into fantasy football? (Maybe when Slash was traded there a few years ago but other than that I do not recall a bears QB being a solid fantasy option.)The Bear play outdoors in the snow and cold - other than Farve most QB playing outdoors do not do as well as those in domes.Everyone thought the bears would be a running team this year but not until last night did they have a solid running effort.I watched Grossman in college and thought he would be a good pro but the injuries and being drafted by the Chicago put a damper on my expectations. I have been pleasantly surprised (I am a Grossman owner in a dynasty league).Joe, how many more times can Grossman prove you wrong, exactly??!?Hi Bertha,I think I'd have to be crazy not to with as good as he's played. I definitely was one of the guys calling for Griese but Grossman has proven me wrong, no doubt. I'm certain it won't be the last time.
jurb26
Footballguy
I think he was saying it will not be the last time he is wrong on a player evaluation. We all have hits and misses and that wont change. Especially when we come to finalized conclusions after far too small a sample size. Honestly, I could care less that he was wrong on the evaluation. What is concerning is the candid nature of which he came to the conclusion after a mear 8 games. I mean this is a QB we are talking about. Not a RB.Joe, how many more times can Grossman prove you wrong, exactly??!?Hi Bertha,I think I'd have to be crazy not to with as good as he's played. I definitely was one of the guys calling for Griese but Grossman has proven me wrong, no doubt. I'm certain it won't be the last time.
jurb26
Footballguy
No actually, that is not true. Joe claimed outspokenly that Grossman "sucked." That he was not even deserving to be a starting NFL QB. He was certianly not alone in that stance however.wraith5,I think Joe was like most of us - How often has a Bears QB factor into fantasy football? (Maybe when Slash was traded there a few years ago but other than that I do not recall a bears QB being a solid fantasy option.)The Bear play outdoors in the snow and cold - other than Farve most QB playing outdoors do not do as well as those in domes.Everyone thought the bears would be a running team this year but not until last night did they have a solid running effort.I watched Grossman in college and thought he would be a good pro but the injuries and being drafted by the Chicago put a damper on my expectations. I have been pleasantly surprised (I am a Grossman owner in a dynasty league).Joe, how many more times can Grossman prove you wrong, exactly??!?Hi Bertha,I think I'd have to be crazy not to with as good as he's played. I definitely was one of the guys calling for Griese but Grossman has proven me wrong, no doubt. I'm certain it won't be the last time.
redman
Footballguy
It's way early, is it not? He's looked good, but then so did Chris Simms during stretches last year. He needs to do it for a wee bit longer before I'm willing to say anyone was "wrong" about him.
wraith5
Footballguy
:sigh: Thanx - I appreciate you clearing up my "misunderstanding." BTW - what the ### is a mear?!?I think he was saying it will not be the last time he is wrong on a player evaluation. We all have hits and misses and that wont change. Especially when we come to finalized conclusions after far too small a sample size. Honestly, I could care less that he was wrong on the evaluation. What is concerning is the candid nature of which he came to the conclusion after a mear 8 games. I mean this is a QB we are talking about. Not a RB.Joe, how many more times can Grossman prove you wrong, exactly??!?Hi Bertha,I think I'd have to be crazy not to with as good as he's played. I definitely was one of the guys calling for Griese but Grossman has proven me wrong, no doubt. I'm certain it won't be the last time.
Mister CIA
Footballguy
See if this clears it up.Bump.In "Bold as Love" Hendrix says:
"I'm bold as love
just ask the axis
he knows, he knows"
WTF means this
Who is the axis?
TIA
arrow1
Footballguy
..down Mexico-way
M
MLBrandow
Guest
I remember when I made the "Rex Grossman will be the No.1 Fantasy QB in 2006" thread and it was laughed off of the forums and deleted within 10 minutes... But Aaron Brooks... we can talk for 15 pages about him....
After 4 weeks:
Rex Grossman - No.2 Fantasy QB in 2006, behind Peyton Manning
Aaron Brooks - No.97 Fantasy QB in 2006, behind such notables as Kyle Boller, Jared Lorenzen and Mike Brandow.
After 4 weeks:
Rex Grossman - No.2 Fantasy QB in 2006, behind Peyton Manning
Aaron Brooks - No.97 Fantasy QB in 2006, behind such notables as Kyle Boller, Jared Lorenzen and Mike Brandow.
Nobody is laughing now mlb. Good call.JI remember when I made the "Rex Grossman will be the No.1 Fantasy QB in 2006" thread and it was laughed off of the forums and deleted within 10 minutes... But Aaron Brooks... we can talk for 15 pages about him....After 4 weeks:Rex Grossman - No.2 Fantasy QB in 2006, behind Peyton ManningAaron Brooks - No.97 Fantasy QB in 2006, behind such notables as Kyle Boller, Jared Lorenzen and Mike Brandow.
Colin Dowling
Footballguy
I have been surprised by Grossman, particularly his deep touch. Honestly, after watching the guy all through college and in his first couple of years in the NFL, i never thought he'd be able to pass the deep ball with any consistency. Heck, in the Rookie CHallenge (or whatever they call that), he didn't even get his long pass in between the ropes, which cover like 1/3 of the width of the field. I too thought Griese would be a much better choice (and was angry the Titans didn't end up with him in the offseason).
However, while it is early, it isn't so early that we shouldn't be paying attention to Grossman. His deep touch is improved and most importantly, he looks as "in control" out there as anyone. He spreads the ball around, makes good reads, picks his spots, doesn't force the issue. If he can play like that for the entire season, Chicago should be a very tough out for anyone in the league.
I think it was ESPN radio yesterday saying that losing last night's game would have still left Chicago 3-1 and looking good, but a convincing win could let the fan base know that they had a QB they could get behind for the first time since McMahon. I thought that was interesting.
However, while it is early, it isn't so early that we shouldn't be paying attention to Grossman. His deep touch is improved and most importantly, he looks as "in control" out there as anyone. He spreads the ball around, makes good reads, picks his spots, doesn't force the issue. If he can play like that for the entire season, Chicago should be a very tough out for anyone in the league.
I think it was ESPN radio yesterday saying that losing last night's game would have still left Chicago 3-1 and looking good, but a convincing win could let the fan base know that they had a QB they could get behind for the first time since McMahon. I thought that was interesting.
Jason Wood
Zoo York
Let me jump in here too, I was definitely on the "it's a matter of when, not if" Griese bandwagon. Color me completely wrong.
I'll tell you what, the more seasons we get under our belts, the more I realize how much there is that you just can't predict.
I'll tell you what, the more seasons we get under our belts, the more I realize how much there is that you just can't predict.
Mungo Burrows
Footballguy
This is the part I'm still not sold on. I haven't seen much of him, but I did see a cutup of him against detroit where he really jammed the ball into coverage and should have probably been picked 2-3 times with at least one of them looking like a probable pick-6. He had the Pick-6 against MIN as well that was just horrible judgement. What I saw against Seattle, he did fairly well. The problem is, there are very few defenses on his schedule that are going to be able to take advantage of this before the playoffs.
B-Deep
Footballguy
Geez Joeall he was trying to do was call you out for not being perfect in front of everyone, did you have to go and ruin his fun by admitting you were wrong?Hi Bertha,I think I'd have to be crazy not to with as good as he's played. I definitely was one of the guys calling for Griese but Grossman has proven me wrong, no doubt. I'm certain it won't be the last time.
Stompin' Tom Connors
Footballguy
I believe that he is referring to a spotted Asian/Indian deer that lives in the gardens of Queen Jealousy. Apparently, the deer is the one who can tell you whether the brown acid is good or bad.Bump.In "Bold as Love" Hendrix says:
"I'm bold as love
just ask the axis
he knows, he knows"
WTF means this
Who is the axis?
TIA
Bertha
dickey moe alias
Thanks for your participation!Geez Joeall he was trying to do was call you out for not being perfect in front of everyone, did you have to go and ruin his fun by admitting you were wrong?Hi Bertha,I think I'd have to be crazy not to with as good as he's played. I definitely was one of the guys calling for Griese but Grossman has proven me wrong, no doubt. I'm certain it won't be the last time.
wraith5
Footballguy
J, Please don't feed the animals.TIA. WraithNobody is laughing now mlb. Good call.JI remember when I made the "Rex Grossman will be the No.1 Fantasy QB in 2006" thread and it was laughed off of the forums and deleted within 10 minutes... But Aaron Brooks... we can talk for 15 pages about him....After 4 weeks:Rex Grossman - No.2 Fantasy QB in 2006, behind Peyton ManningAaron Brooks - No.97 Fantasy QB in 2006, behind such notables as Kyle Boller, Jared Lorenzen and Mike Brandow.
houndirish
Footballguy
I read the title of the thread and figured someone was calling out Joe THEISMANN, not Bryant, for saying something dopey. Once I realized I was off base I found it humurous that any statement deemed unintelligent that's attributed to a "Joe" is easily assumed to be Joey T.
Some beautiful Joey T's from last night:
"Green Bay's young guards are backing up to quick. They keep stepping on Favre." Hey Joe, maybe Favre needs to get away from center a bit quicker, no?
"When you see Donovan McNabb throwing the ball into the ground it's because of sloppy footwork. You see, here he overthrows the ball, he's putting too much on it ... it's like he's throwing it too hard. Thus it goes to the receivers feet." Replays show McNabb's footwork was near identical on his low passes and his perfect ones. It was his delivery that was off. Joey T simply equated bad footwork and poor delivery, because ... you know, it's pretty much teh same, right?
OK, threadjack complete, feel free to continue bashing Joey B!
Some beautiful Joey T's from last night:
"Green Bay's young guards are backing up to quick. They keep stepping on Favre." Hey Joe, maybe Favre needs to get away from center a bit quicker, no?
"When you see Donovan McNabb throwing the ball into the ground it's because of sloppy footwork. You see, here he overthrows the ball, he's putting too much on it ... it's like he's throwing it too hard. Thus it goes to the receivers feet." Replays show McNabb's footwork was near identical on his low passes and his perfect ones. It was his delivery that was off. Joey T simply equated bad footwork and poor delivery, because ... you know, it's pretty much teh same, right?
OK, threadjack complete, feel free to continue bashing Joey B!
Chaos Commish
Footballguy
I agree. Grossman like Hendrix is doing it with incredible boldness and psychedelic creativity. There's no hesitation in Hendrix' guitar or Grossman's arm. As great as Jimi was he couldn't sustain it for long. He was in the historical sense a flash in the pan. Grossman will likely follow.
wraith5
Footballguy
Anyone who is actually paying attention knows that.Most of the world was calling for Griese during the pre-season. I think many of us in Chicago are still coming to grips with the fact that we have a QB who is playing well and don't dare get too excited. Any minute Steve Bartman is going to knock down a pass and ruin the season...It was never meant to be personal, anyways. I just found it interesting that he kept saying Rex Grossman is not a good QB, when I don't think any of us had enough information or opportunity to see him play enough to make an accurate assessment. He WAS injured last year
You are correct. One of Grossman's downfalls is that he does sometimes try to make too much happen. As you mentioned, the Minnesota game is a perfect example. You can tell that after the Minny game someone got it into his head to throw it away or if need be, take the sack. If you watched the Seattle game this was very evident. He's still going to take risks though.
BoulderBob
Footballguy
Green Bay might begin to kick themselves for allowing the Bears to swoop in and steal their QB of the future. Time will tell, but all indications point to Grossman having a nice career ahead of him.
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Hi BD,No worries there, that's part of the deal with some folks. Always has been.Geez Joeall he was trying to do was call you out for not being perfect in front of everyone, did you have to go and ruin his fun by admitting you were wrong?Hi Bertha,I think I'd have to be crazy not to with as good as he's played. I definitely was one of the guys calling for Griese but Grossman has proven me wrong, no doubt. I'm certain it won't be the last time.
J
Marc Levin
Hangs out with Oscar Zeta Acosta
Colin Dowling said:
-me, post #11.Scary.
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Marc Levin
Hangs out with Oscar Zeta Acosta
:corrected:Mungo Burrows said:
Marc Levin
Hangs out with Oscar Zeta Acosta
He played three years of college ball for Florida, which is plenty of football to make an informed decision on him as a QB. I watched him a lot. I was NEVER impressed with him. I was also a bit surprised with Lovie's continual support of him when - as you stated - he had, so far, proved nothing in the NFL.I now understand. he has a solid head on his shoulders, great touch on his deep ball, and he doesn't get rattled under pressure. He also (obviously, based on his injury history) has lots of courage - he stands in there till the last instant.Bertha said:It was never meant to be personal, anyways. I just found it interesting that he kept saying Rex Grossman is not a good QB, when I don't think any of us had enough information or opportunity to see him play enough to make an accurate assessment. He WAS injured last year
jurb26
Footballguy
HUH?He played three years of college ball for Florida, which is plenty of football to make an informed decision on him as a QB. I watched him a lot.Bertha said:It was never meant to be personal, anyways. I just found it interesting that he kept saying Rex Grossman is not a good QB, when I don't think any of us had enough information or opportunity to see him play enough to make an accurate assessment. He WAS injured last year
You do understand the difference from College -----------> NFL, right?
Marc Levin
Hangs out with Oscar Zeta Acosta
no - explain it to me.HUH?He played three years of college ball for Florida, which is plenty of football to make an informed decision on him as a QB. I watched him a lot.Bertha said:It was never meant to be personal, anyways. I just found it interesting that he kept saying Rex Grossman is not a good QB, when I don't think any of us had enough information or opportunity to see him play enough to make an accurate assessment. He WAS injured last year
College ball gives you a lot of information on a player - whether he can translate it into the NFL game is always a question.There are going to be Akili Smiths and Ryan Leafs out there - but you could tell in college that they had the SKILLS to play NFL ball. They couldn't translate those skills into the NFL game.Please. I've been watching football for 30 years.
jurb26
Footballguy
Then why would you make a judgement on Grossman as an NFL player before he ever got the chance? All he was when you watched him in college was an NFL prospect. A prospect at what is historically one of the hardest positions to judge in all of football. The transition from College to NFL is most difficult for QBs and careers take years to gage. This is why it is so diappointing that many staffers here, made absolute judements on college and minimal samples of NFL games in regards to Grossman. Sure, you're saying you know, but did not act it. That's all I'm saying.no - explain it to me.HUH?He played three years of college ball for Florida, which is plenty of football to make an informed decision on him as a QB. I watched him a lot.Bertha said:It was never meant to be personal, anyways. I just found it interesting that he kept saying Rex Grossman is not a good QB, when I don't think any of us had enough information or opportunity to see him play enough to make an accurate assessment. He WAS injured last year
Marc Levin
Hangs out with Oscar Zeta Acosta
I didn't - you didn't read my post. But, I don't feel like arguing.Then why would you makea judgement on Grossman as an NFL player before he ever got the chance?no - explain it to me.HUH?He played three years of college ball for Florida, which is plenty of football to make an informed decision on him as a QB. I watched him a lot.Bertha said:It was never meant to be personal, anyways. I just found it interesting that he kept saying Rex Grossman is not a good QB, when I don't think any of us had enough information or opportunity to see him play enough to make an accurate assessment. He WAS injured last year
There are going to be Akili Smiths and Ryan Leafs out there - but you could tell in college that they had the SKILLS to play NFL ball. They couldn't translate those skills into the NFL game.
Please. I've been watching football for 30 years.
Possum
Footballguy
you watched him for three years at UF and weren't impressed? I'm wondering what games you were watching, because I've been watching Gator football for nearly 30 years - and in terms of all-time UF QBs I'd put him behind only Danny Wuerffel (and possibly Kerwin Bell). Neither of them had the NFL-caliber arm and quick release that Grossman has, though - I think he has all the tools to be a star in the league, if he can just stay healthy, and he's showing that now.He played three years of college ball for Florida, which is plenty of football to make an informed decision on him as a QB. I watched him a lot. I was NEVER impressed with him. I was also a bit surprised with Lovie's continual support of him when - as you stated - he had, so far, proved nothing in the NFL.I now understand. he has a solid head on his shoulders, great touch on his deep ball, and he doesn't get rattled under pressure. He also (obviously, based on his injury history) has lots of courage - he stands in there till the last instant.Bertha said:It was never meant to be personal, anyways. I just found it interesting that he kept saying Rex Grossman is not a good QB, when I don't think any of us had enough information or opportunity to see him play enough to make an accurate assessment. He WAS injured last year
jurb26
Footballguy
Marc, maybe you should clarify exactly what you are saying here then.
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