Hillary Clinton: “Don’t let anybody tell you that it's corporation (1 Viewer)

[mr roboto]

Since you guys are talking about college debt... I have a good job, with a paid off car but cannot get a home loan of any kind due to my outstanding college loans. I know there are many more like me even though I have quite a secure job and all.

Yes, because everybody deserves to be able to buy a home on whatever salary they make. That type of thinking got us into the previous mortgage crisis.Oh, I see the problem - you should have been born into a rich family that could either have paid for your college or will co-sign your home loan. Get to work on that.

 

[rockaction]

To fix the economy, we need to drive down the cost of a college education. Our current situation where we force young adult consumers to divert their earnings into paying off huge college loans for years is deflationary and unacceptable.

Or we need to change professional licensing so that aptitude counts more than a degree, and somehow convince employers that the efficiency of screening a resume for a college education is actually counterproductive to their own ends.

Also, for all the talk of social responsibility on college campuses, it would help if they practiced what they preached (or often invited to preach in their own space).

 

[Christo]

To fix the economy, we need to drive down the cost of a college education. Our current situation where we force young adult consumers to divert their earnings into paying off huge college loans for years is deflationary and unacceptable.

Or we need to change professional licensing so that aptitude counts more than a degree, and somehow convince employers that the efficiency of screening a resume for a college education is actually counterproductive to their own ends.

Also, for all the talk of social responsibility on college campuses, it would help if they practiced what they preached (or often invited to preach in their own space).

That's never going to happen. How can an employer gauge aptitude in an interview?

 

[rockaction]

To fix the economy, we need to drive down the cost of a college education. Our current situation where we force young adult consumers to divert their earnings into paying off huge college loans for years is deflationary and unacceptable.

Or we need to change professional licensing so that aptitude counts more than a degree, and somehow convince employers that the efficiency of screening a resume for a college education is actually counterproductive to their own ends.

Also, for all the talk of social responsibility on college campuses, it would help if they practiced what they preached (or often invited to preach in their own space).

That's never going to happen. How can an employer gauge aptitude in an interview?

Licensing tests that don't require degrees can happen. The employer bit is much, much more difficult, and I don't foresee it happening.

I think you'd be surprised how often licensing requirements affect barriers to entry regarding certain professions that legally depend on a degree or schooling. Relaxing those requirements might help to ease the burden on people looking to break into those professions.

For instance, in order to become a licensed engineer (or something like it), I know my friend has to have a degree even though he helps people with degrees pass the exam and is a brilliant dude who had a rough time in his first college go-round and then got married and had a child.

Also, bar exam, amirite? I mean, why shouldn't people outside NY be able to apprentice and then take it instead of going to school?

 

[Christo]

To fix the economy, we need to drive down the cost of a college education. Our current situation where we force young adult consumers to divert their earnings into paying off huge college loans for years is deflationary and unacceptable.

Or we need to change professional licensing so that aptitude counts more than a degree, and somehow convince employers that the efficiency of screening a resume for a college education is actually counterproductive to their own ends.

Also, for all the talk of social responsibility on college campuses, it would help if they practiced what they preached (or often invited to preach in their own space).

That's never going to happen. How can an employer gauge aptitude in an interview?

Licensing tests that don't require degrees can happen. The employer bit is much, much more difficult, and I don't foresee it happening.

I think you'd be surprised how often licensing to do certain professions legally depends on a degree or schooling. Relaxing those requirements might help to ease the burden on people looking to break into those professions.

For instance, in order to become a licensed engineer (or something like it), I know my friend has to have a degree even though he helps people with degrees pass the exam and is a brilliant dude who had a rough time in his first college go-round and then got married and had a child.

Also, bar exam, amirite? I mean, why shouldn't people outside NY be able to apprentice and then take it instead of going to school?

Most jobs don't have licensing.

 

[Christo]

And why would I let someone who can't even go to court apprentice when I can just hire a law school grad desperate for a job?

 

[NutterButter]

Since you guys are talking about college debt... I have a good job, with a paid off car but cannot get a home loan of any kind due to my outstanding college loans. I know there are many more like me even though I have quite a secure job and all.

How much do you have in loans?

 

[rockaction]

To fix the economy, we need to drive down the cost of a college education. Our current situation where we force young adult consumers to divert their earnings into paying off huge college loans for years is deflationary and unacceptable.

Or we need to change professional licensing so that aptitude counts more than a degree, and somehow convince employers that the efficiency of screening a resume for a college education is actually counterproductive to their own ends.

Also, for all the talk of social responsibility on college campuses, it would help if they practiced what they preached (or often invited to preach in their own space).

That's never going to happen. How can an employer gauge aptitude in an interview?

Licensing tests that don't require degrees can happen. The employer bit is much, much more difficult, and I don't foresee it happening.

I think you'd be surprised how often licensing to do certain professions legally depends on a degree or schooling. Relaxing those requirements might help to ease the burden on people looking to break into those professions.

For instance, in order to become a licensed engineer (or something like it), I know my friend has to have a degree even though he helps people with degrees pass the exam and is a brilliant dude who had a rough time in his first college go-round and then got married and had a child.

Also, bar exam, amirite? I mean, why shouldn't people outside NY be able to apprentice and then take it instead of going to school?

Most jobs don't have licensing.

A good amount do.

 

[Christo]

To fix the economy, we need to drive down the cost of a college education. Our current situation where we force young adult consumers to divert their earnings into paying off huge college loans for years is deflationary and unacceptable.

Or we need to change professional licensing so that aptitude counts more than a degree, and somehow convince employers that the efficiency of screening a resume for a college education is actually counterproductive to their own ends.

Also, for all the talk of social responsibility on college campuses, it would help if they practiced what they preached (or often invited to preach in their own space).

That's never going to happen. How can an employer gauge aptitude in an interview?

Licensing tests that don't require degrees can happen. The employer bit is much, much more difficult, and I don't foresee it happening.

I think you'd be surprised how often licensing to do certain professions legally depends on a degree or schooling. Relaxing those requirements might help to ease the burden on people looking to break into those professions.

For instance, in order to become a licensed engineer (or something like it), I know my friend has to have a degree even though he helps people with degrees pass the exam and is a brilliant dude who had a rough time in his first college go-round and then got married and had a child.

Also, bar exam, amirite? I mean, why shouldn't people outside NY be able to apprentice and then take it instead of going to school?

Most jobs don't have licensing.

A good amount do.

What percentage of the workforce?

 

[boots11234]

Since you guys are talking about college debt... I have a good job, with a paid off car but cannot get a home loan of any kind due to my outstanding college loans. I know there are many more like me even though I have quite a secure job and all.

dont feel the least bit sorry for you. When you have children please teach them to livr within their means. just Because they really really really want to go to a school that costs 80 k a year, its probably not econimically wise if their degree is in history.

ok doosh.

So I'm the doosh because I've pointed out to you what you should have been told by your parents or advisor at school? What would you like us to do, change the way in which banks determine risk? No, what you want is to have your loan forgiven and put the tax payers on the hook for your decision to rack up huge debt instead of working 3 jobs and go to a junior college for your generals. I bet you perhaps worked in the summers, partied like a rock star during school and went on multiple spring break trips. So instead of whining like a girl why don't you put every extra penny towards your loan, perhaps even get a second job as a waiter to pay it down quicker. Like I said I have no sympathy. Doosh.

 

[rockaction]

To fix the economy, we need to drive down the cost of a college education. Our current situation where we force young adult consumers to divert their earnings into paying off huge college loans for years is deflationary and unacceptable.

Or we need to change professional licensing so that aptitude counts more than a degree, and somehow convince employers that the efficiency of screening a resume for a college education is actually counterproductive to their own ends.

Also, for all the talk of social responsibility on college campuses, it would help if they practiced what they preached (or often invited to preach in their own space).

That's never going to happen. How can an employer gauge aptitude in an interview?

Licensing tests that don't require degrees can happen. The employer bit is much, much more difficult, and I don't foresee it happening.

I think you'd be surprised how often licensing to do certain professions legally depends on a degree or schooling. Relaxing those requirements might help to ease the burden on people looking to break into those professions.

For instance, in order to become a licensed engineer (or something like it), I know my friend has to have a degree even though he helps people with degrees pass the exam and is a brilliant dude who had a rough time in his first college go-round and then got married and had a child.

Also, bar exam, amirite? I mean, why shouldn't people outside NY be able to apprentice and then take it instead of going to school?

Most jobs don't have licensing.

A good amount do.

What percentage of the workforce?

BLS might have those stats, but that's long beyond my job requirements.

I mean, check Table 1 a few pages in. Professional occupations, which presumably are licensed, make up 20% of the economy or so. Not being rude here, but finding all licensing requirements is a bit of a tall order for a message board. I'd say maybe 30-35%. Plus certifications as a job requirement, which would also require schooling.

http://www.bls.gov/opub/mlr/2009/11/art5full.pdf

eta* Good article here.

In 2006, the NYT cites an author that has it at three in ten workers. This increases in the BLS table.

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/03/02/business/yourmoney/02scene.html?_r=0

 

[Mario Kart]

Since you guys are talking about college debt... I have a good job, with a paid off car but cannot get a home loan of any kind due to my outstanding college loans. I know there are many more like me even though I have quite a secure job and all.

dont feel the least bit sorry for you. When you have children please teach them to livr within their means. just Because they really really really want to go to a school that costs 80 k a year, its probably not econimically wise if their degree is in history.

ok doosh.

So I'm the doosh because I've pointed out to you what you should have been told by your parents or advisor at school? What would you like us to do, change the way in which banks determine risk? No, what you want is to have your loan forgiven and put the tax payers on the hook for your decision to rack up huge debt instead of working 3 jobs and go to a junior college for your generals. I bet you perhaps worked in the summers, partied like a rock star during school and went on multiple spring break trips. So instead of whining like a girl why don't you put every extra penny towards your loan, perhaps even get a second job as a waiter to pay it down quicker. Like I said I have no sympathy. Doosh.

you sure project your own thoughts onto others pretty good there. My initial post said nothing about forgiving of any loans nor am I seeking that. The posts before me began talking about college being expensive and that being one reason why the economy isn't growing as fast... ie... banks not lending even though risk for the banks is lower. You get on some high horse talking about me, my parents, my schooling and so forth without even knowing who I am. The only doosh here is you.

And, you couldn't be more wrong about what you just posted but I'm not about to write you about my life. Have fun being a doosh and projecting your "holier than thou" attitude. Good day.

 

[timschochet]

Since you guys are talking about college debt... I have a good job, with a paid off car but cannot get a home loan of any kind due to my outstanding college loans. I know there are many more like me even though I have quite a secure job and all.

dont feel the least bit sorry for you. When you have children please teach them to livr within their means. just Because they really really really want to go to a school that costs 80 k a year, its probably not econimically wise if their degree is in history.

ok doosh.

So I'm the doosh because I've pointed out to you what you should have been told by your parents or advisor at school? What would you like us to do, change the way in which banks determine risk? No, what you want is to have your loan forgiven and put the tax payers on the hook for your decision to rack up huge debt instead of working 3 jobs and go to a junior college for your generals. I bet you perhaps worked in the summers, partied like a rock star during school and went on multiple spring break trips. So instead of whining like a girl why don't you put every extra penny towards your loan, perhaps even get a second job as a waiter to pay it down quicker. Like I said I have no sympathy. Doosh.

You make a lot of assumptions about Hell Toupee without knowing anything about him. It strikes me as very rude of you.

Also, maybe we should, as a society, forgive much of these student loans. If that would stimulate the economy and help a few people out, it might make a lot of sense.

 

[Christo]

I think that number is a lot less than you are making it out to be. It's not professional occupations. It's professional and related occupations, which includes (1) life, physical and social science occupations, (2) community and social services occupations, (3) arts, design, entertainment, sports and media occupations, and (4) healthcare practitioners and technical occupations. Plenty of people there aren't licensed. Take a look at Table 2.

 

[Christo]

Table 3 shows it a little better. First professional degrees, master's degrees and doctoral degrees make up just 4.7% of all occupations.

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

To fix the economy, we need to drive down the cost of a college education. Our current situation where we force young adult consumers to divert their earnings into paying off huge college loans for years is deflationary and unacceptable.

Or we need to change professional licensing so that aptitude counts more than a degree, and somehow convince employers that the efficiency of screening a resume for a college education is actually counterproductive to their own ends.

Also, for all the talk of social responsibility on college campuses, it would help if they practiced what they preached (or often invited to preach in their own space).

That's never going to happen. How can an employer gauge aptitude in an interview?

Licensing tests that don't require degrees can happen. The employer bit is much, much more difficult, and I don't foresee it happening.

I think you'd be surprised how often licensing to do certain professions legally depends on a degree or schooling. Relaxing those requirements might help to ease the burden on people looking to break into those professions.

For instance, in order to become a licensed engineer (or something like it), I know my friend has to have a degree even though he helps people with degrees pass the exam and is a brilliant dude who had a rough time in his first college go-round and then got married and had a child.

Also, bar exam, amirite? I mean, why shouldn't people outside NY be able to apprentice and then take it instead of going to school?

Most jobs don't have licensing.

A good amount do.

What percentage of the workforce?

BLS might have those stats, but that's long beyond my job requirements.

I mean, check Table 1 a few pages in. Professional occupations, which presumably are licensed, make up 20% of the economy or so. Not being rude here, but finding all licensing requirements is a bit of a tall order for a message board. I'd say maybe 30-35%. Plus certifications as a job requirement, which would also require schooling.

http://www.bls.gov/opub/mlr/2009/11/art5full.pdf

eta* Good article here.

In 2006, the NYT cites an author that has it at three in ten workers. This increases in the BLS table.

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/03/02/business/yourmoney/02scene.html?_r=0

The latter article is right: way too many jobs require licensing. If we want to reduce unemployment and stimulate the economy, we should cut way down on licensing requirements that mainly aim to restrict competition (which is most licensing requirements).

 

[HellToupee]

Since you guys are talking about college debt... I have a good job, with a paid off car but cannot get a home loan of any kind due to my outstanding college loans. I know there are many more like me even though I have quite a secure job and all.

dont feel the least bit sorry for you. When you have children please teach them to livr within their means. just Because they really really really want to go to a school that costs 80 k a year, its probably not econimically wise if their degree is in history.

ok doosh.

So I'm the doosh because I've pointed out to you what you should have been told by your parents or advisor at school? What would you like us to do, change the way in which banks determine risk? No, what you want is to have your loan forgiven and put the tax payers on the hook for your decision to rack up huge debt instead of working 3 jobs and go to a junior college for your generals. I bet you perhaps worked in the summers, partied like a rock star during school and went on multiple spring break trips. So instead of whining like a girl why don't you put every extra penny towards your loan, perhaps even get a second job as a waiter to pay it down quicker. Like I said I have no sympathy. Doosh.

You make a lot of assumptions about Hell Toupee without knowing anything about him. It strikes me as very rude of you.

Also, maybe we should, as a society, forgive much of these student loans. If that would stimulate the economy and help a few people out, it might make a lot of sense.

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

For all the Hillary v. Warren talk these two could not be have in more in common in-that they both are Disciples of the "do as I say not as I do" club...they made their money now it's time to give more of yours...

Idiotic.

Yes. I have no idea what Hillary's or Warren's views are on tax policy. But since they're Democrats, let's assume they want to increase taxes especially on the rich. Since they are both rich, that's the exact opposite of the hypocrisy that some posts seem to be suggesting.

 

[squistion]

For all the Hillary v. Warren talk these two could not be have in more in common in-that they both are Disciples of the "do as I say not as I do" club...they made their money now it's time to give more of yours...

Idiotic.

Yes. I have no idea what Hillary's or Warren's views are on tax policy. But since they're Democrats, let's assume they want to increase taxes especially on the rich. Since they are both rich, that's the exact opposite of the hypocrisy that some posts seem to be suggesting.

Maurile, don't try to confuse them with the facts.

 

[timschochet]

Since you guys are talking about college debt... I have a good job, with a paid off car but cannot get a home loan of any kind due to my outstanding college loans. I know there are many more like me even though I have quite a secure job and all.

dont feel the least bit sorry for you. When you have children please teach them to livr within their means. just Because they really really really want to go to a school that costs 80 k a year, its probably not econimically wise if their degree is in history.

ok doosh.

So I'm the doosh because I've pointed out to you what you should have been told by your parents or advisor at school? What would you like us to do, change the way in which banks determine risk? No, what you want is to have your loan forgiven and put the tax payers on the hook for your decision to rack up huge debt instead of working 3 jobs and go to a junior college for your generals. I bet you perhaps worked in the summers, partied like a rock star during school and went on multiple spring break trips. So instead of whining like a girl why don't you put every extra penny towards your loan, perhaps even get a second job as a waiter to pay it down quicker. Like I said I have no sympathy. Doosh.

You make a lot of assumptions about Hell Toupee without knowing anything about him. It strikes me as very rude of you.

Also, maybe we should, as a society, forgive much of these student loans. If that would stimulate the economy and help a few people out, it might make a lot of sense.

What are you confused about? First, I thought he was being rude to you and told him so. Second, I think his argument about how we should have no sympathy for those with student loans is dumb. We should have sympathy and we might want to consider forgiving a whole lot of them.

 

[HellToupee]

Since you guys are talking about college debt... I have a good job, with a paid off car but cannot get a home loan of any kind due to my outstanding college loans. I know there are many more like me even though I have quite a secure job and all.

dont feel the least bit sorry for you. When you have children please teach them to livr within their means. just Because they really really really want to go to a school that costs 80 k a year, its probably not econimically wise if their degree is in history.

ok doosh.

So I'm the doosh because I've pointed out to you what you should have been told by your parents or advisor at school? What would you like us to do, change the way in which banks determine risk? No, what you want is to have your loan forgiven and put the tax payers on the hook for your decision to rack up huge debt instead of working 3 jobs and go to a junior college for your generals. I bet you perhaps worked in the summers, partied like a rock star during school and went on multiple spring break trips. So instead of whining like a girl why don't you put every extra penny towards your loan, perhaps even get a second job as a waiter to pay it down quicker. Like I said I have no sympathy. Doosh.

You make a lot of assumptions about Hell Toupee without knowing anything about him. It strikes me as very rude of you.

Also, maybe we should, as a society, forgive much of these student loans. If that would stimulate the economy and help a few people out, it might make a lot of sense.

What are you confused about? First, I thought he was being rude to you and told him so. Second, I think his argument about how we should have no sympathy for those with student loans is dumb. We should have sympathy and we might want to consider forgiving a whole lot of them.

Tim I believe you are in the right church but wrong pew

 

[timschochet]

Since you guys are talking about college debt... I have a good job, with a paid off car but cannot get a home loan of any kind due to my outstanding college loans. I know there are many more like me even though I have quite a secure job and all.

dont feel the least bit sorry for you. When you have children please teach them to livr within their means. just Because they really really really want to go to a school that costs 80 k a year, its probably not econimically wise if their degree is in history.

ok doosh.

So I'm the doosh because I've pointed out to you what you should have been told by your parents or advisor at school? What would you like us to do, change the way in which banks determine risk? No, what you want is to have your loan forgiven and put the tax payers on the hook for your decision to rack up huge debt instead of working 3 jobs and go to a junior college for your generals. I bet you perhaps worked in the summers, partied like a rock star during school and went on multiple spring break trips. So instead of whining like a girl why don't you put every extra penny towards your loan, perhaps even get a second job as a waiter to pay it down quicker. Like I said I have no sympathy. Doosh.

You make a lot of assumptions about Hell Toupee without knowing anything about him. It strikes me as very rude of you.

Also, maybe we should, as a society, forgive much of these student loans. If that would stimulate the economy and help a few people out, it might make a lot of sense.

What are you confused about? First, I thought he was being rude to you and told him so. Second, I think his argument about how we should have no sympathy for those with student loans is dumb. We should have sympathy and we might want to consider forgiving a whole lot of them.

Tim I believe you are in the right church but wrong pew

Now I'm the one confused.

 

[HellToupee]

Since you guys are talking about college debt... I have a good job, with a paid off car but cannot get a home loan of any kind due to my outstanding college loans. I know there are many more like me even though I have quite a secure job and all.

dont feel the least bit sorry for you. When you have children please teach them to livr within their means. just Because they really really really want to go to a school that costs 80 k a year, its probably not econimically wise if their degree is in history.

ok doosh.

So I'm the doosh because I've pointed out to you what you should have been told by your parents or advisor at school? What would you like us to do, change the way in which banks determine risk? No, what you want is to have your loan forgiven and put the tax payers on the hook for your decision to rack up huge debt instead of working 3 jobs and go to a junior college for your generals. I bet you perhaps worked in the summers, partied like a rock star during school and went on multiple spring break trips. So instead of whining like a girl why don't you put every extra penny towards your loan, perhaps even get a second job as a waiter to pay it down quicker. Like I said I have no sympathy. Doosh.

You make a lot of assumptions about Hell Toupee without knowing anything about him. It strikes me as very rude of you.

Also, maybe we should, as a society, forgive much of these student loans. If that would stimulate the economy and help a few people out, it might make a lot of sense.

What are you confused about? First, I thought he was being rude to you and told him so. Second, I think his argument about how we should have no sympathy for those with student loans is dumb. We should have sympathy and we might want to consider forgiving a whole lot of them.

Tim I believe you are in the right church but wrong pew

Now I'm the one confused.

Stay thirsty my friend

 

[MaxThreshold]

Since you guys are talking about college debt... I have a good job, with a paid off car but cannot get a home loan of any kind due to my outstanding college loans. I know there are many more like me even though I have quite a secure job and all.

dont feel the least bit sorry for you. When you have children please teach them to livr within their means. just Because they really really really want to go to a school that costs 80 k a year, its probably not econimically wise if their degree is in history.

ok doosh.

So I'm the doosh because I've pointed out to you what you should have been told by your parents or advisor at school? What would you like us to do, change the way in which banks determine risk? No, what you want is to have your loan forgiven and put the tax payers on the hook for your decision to rack up huge debt instead of working 3 jobs and go to a junior college for your generals. I bet you perhaps worked in the summers, partied like a rock star during school and went on multiple spring break trips. So instead of whining like a girl why don't you put every extra penny towards your loan, perhaps even get a second job as a waiter to pay it down quicker. Like I said I have no sympathy. Doosh.

You make a lot of assumptions about Hell Toupee without knowing anything about him. It strikes me as very rude of you.

Also, maybe we should, as a society, forgive much of these student loans. If that would stimulate the economy and help a few people out, it might make a lot of sense.

What are you confused about? First, I thought he was being rude to you and told him so. Second, I think his argument about how we should have no sympathy for those with student loans is dumb. We should have sympathy and we might want to consider forgiving a whole lot of them.

Tim I believe you are in the right church but wrong pew

Now I'm the one confused.

boots was talking about Mario Kart, not Hell Toupee.

 

[NutterButter]

Since you guys are talking about college debt... I have a good job, with a paid off car but cannot get a home loan of any kind due to my outstanding college loans. I know there are many more like me even though I have quite a secure job and all.

dont feel the least bit sorry for you. When you have children please teach them to livr within their means. just Because they really really really want to go to a school that costs 80 k a year, its probably not econimically wise if their degree is in history.

ok doosh.

So I'm the doosh because I've pointed out to you what you should have been told by your parents or advisor at school? What would you like us to do, change the way in which banks determine risk? No, what you want is to have your loan forgiven and put the tax payers on the hook for your decision to rack up huge debt instead of working 3 jobs and go to a junior college for your generals. I bet you perhaps worked in the summers, partied like a rock star during school and went on multiple spring break trips. So instead of whining like a girl why don't you put every extra penny towards your loan, perhaps even get a second job as a waiter to pay it down quicker. Like I said I have no sympathy. Doosh.

You make a lot of assumptions about Hell Toupee without knowing anything about him. It strikes me as very rude of you.

Also, maybe we should, as a society, forgive much of these student loans. If that would stimulate the economy and help a few people out, it might make a lot of sense.

What are you confused about? First, I thought he was being rude to you and told him so. Second, I think his argument about how we should have no sympathy for those with student loans is dumb. We should have sympathy and we might want to consider forgiving a whole lot of them.

Tim I believe you are in the right church but wrong pew

Now I'm the one confused.

boots was talking about Mario Kart, not Hell Toupee.

why did you have to ruin it?

 

[timschochet]

Ah. Duh. Don't know why I did that.

Well in any case, Boots was still rude.

 

[fatness]

I think you'd be surprised how often licensing requirements affect barriers to entry regarding certain professions that legally depend on a degree or schooling. Relaxing those requirements might help to ease the burden on people looking to break into those professions.

For instance, in order to become a licensed engineer (or something like it), I know my friend has to have a degree even though he helps people with degrees pass the exam and is a brilliant dude who had a rough time in his first college go-round and then got married and had a child.

How to get bridges to fall down more quickly.

 

[rockaction]

I think you'd be surprised how often licensing requirements affect barriers to entry regarding certain professions that legally depend on a degree or schooling. Relaxing those requirements might help to ease the burden on people looking to break into those professions.

For instance, in order to become a licensed engineer (or something like it), I know my friend has to have a degree even though he helps people with degrees pass the exam and is a brilliant dude who had a rough time in his first college go-round and then got married and had a child.

How to get bridges to fall down more quickly.

Not if the test is about aptitude. Not sure what your point is.

eta* Whoa, you didn't read my whole point, fatness. Why do you selectively quote so often?

Or we need to change professional licensing so that aptitude counts more than a degree, and somehow convince employers that the efficiency of screening a resume for a college education is actually counterproductive to their own ends.

eta2* I thought you were kind of funny the other day, but you've done this to me before, and I don't appreciate it. At all. You pulled the same stuff when it came to feminism. I want to be hospitable, but good day, mang.

eta3* Your quote of mine is ####### bull####. It's not political, it's dirty.

 

[jonessed]

That was a pretty dumb thing to say. I expect it will be used on quite a few ad runs.

 

[Milkman]

Just work harder guys! Get two or three jobs for the next 10 years. Maybe four jobs for seven years.

 

[Milkman]

Five jobs for five years you doosh!

 

[pizzatyme]

Tim, I have a lot of debt, can you get the debt fairies to forgive mine too? I'll promise to spend away and pump money into the economy if you do so.

 

[timschochet]

Tim, I have a lot of debt, can you get the debt fairies to forgive mine too? I'll promise to spend away and pump money into the economy if you do so.

I'm open to any idea that will help. What you just described was basically the stimulus package, except that we paid off corporate debt, not yours.

 

[Milkman]

Seventeen and a half jobs for one year!

 

[Mario Kart]

Seventeen and a half jobs for one year!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Opq8YCkFV9s

Hey Mon!

 

[jon_mx]

Tim, I have a lot of debt, can you get the debt fairies to forgive mine too? I'll promise to spend away and pump money into the economy if you do so.

I'm open to any idea that will help. What you just described was basically the stimulus package, except that we paid off corporate debt, not yours.

Would you mind speaking in facts instead of false talking points. What part of the stimulus paid off corporate debt?

 

[jon_mx]

Stimulus - Over $100 billion in tax credits to people who did not pay any taxes. $20 Billion in additiona Food Stamps. $30 Billion in Highway Construction. $90 Billion to States. $90 Billion for Temporary Assistance to Medicare. $50 Billion for School Renovations and other Education Programs. $17 Billion for additional Pell Grants. $40 Billion in Extended Unemployment and additional unemployment compensation. Outside of Energy Programs, I am not sure of anything in the stimulus that were targeted for corporations.

 

[Bottomfeeder Sports]

Stimulus - Over $100 billion in tax credits to people who did not pay any taxes. $20 Billion in additiona Food Stamps. $30 Billion in Highway Construction. $90 Billion to States. $90 Billion for Temporary Assistance to Medicare. $50 Billion for School Renovations and other Education Programs. $17 Billion for additional Pell Grants. $40 Billion in Extended Unemployment and additional unemployment compensation. Outside of Energy Programs, I am not sure of anything in the stimulus that were targeted for corporations.

Everything you listed except maybe the first item is ultimately corporate welfare.

 

[fatness]

I think you'd be surprised how often licensing requirements affect barriers to entry regarding certain professions that legally depend on a degree or schooling. Relaxing those requirements might help to ease the burden on people looking to break into those professions.

For instance, in order to become a licensed engineer (or something like it), I know my friend has to have a degree even though he helps people with degrees pass the exam and is a brilliant dude who had a rough time in his first college go-round and then got married and had a child.

How to get bridges to fall down more quickly.

Not if the test is about aptitude. Not sure what your point is.

There are thousands of people who didn't sit for professional exams but say they have the ability to practice. All that means is that they've failed to meet the requirements, and talk as though they can. Fortune-telling licenses don't require a degree to the best of my knowledge, but those for engineering, medicine, and law do. If you want to go to a "doctor" with no degree go right ahead. If you want a "lawyer" with no degree to represent you go ahead. But don't inflict those low standards on the public. If you want bridges designed by those with no degree, no way to demonstrate the underlying understanding it takes, don't inflict that on the public either.

Sorry to hear you friend's rough go of it in college. When he finally finishes college he'll have the underlying understanding of everything involved to get an engineering degree and not be a risk to the public.

 

[Christo]

Stimulus - Over $100 billion in tax credits to people who did not pay any taxes. $20 Billion in additiona Food Stamps. $30 Billion in Highway Construction. $90 Billion to States. $90 Billion for Temporary Assistance to Medicare. $50 Billion for School Renovations and other Education Programs. $17 Billion for additional Pell Grants. $40 Billion in Extended Unemployment and additional unemployment compensation. Outside of Energy Programs, I am not sure of anything in the stimulus that were targeted for corporations.

Everything you listed except maybe the first item is ultimately corporate welfare.

 

[mr roboto]

Stimulus - Over $100 billion in tax credits to people who did not pay any taxes. $20 Billion in additiona Food Stamps. $30 Billion in Highway Construction. $90 Billion to States. $90 Billion for Temporary Assistance to Medicare. $50 Billion for School Renovations and other Education Programs. $17 Billion for additional Pell Grants. $40 Billion in Extended Unemployment and additional unemployment compensation. Outside of Energy Programs, I am not sure of anything in the stimulus that were targeted for corporations.

Everything you listed except maybe the first item is ultimately corporate welfare.

 

[jon_mx]

Stimulus - Over $100 billion in tax credits to people who did not pay any taxes. $20 Billion in additiona Food Stamps. $30 Billion in Highway Construction. $90 Billion to States. $90 Billion for Temporary Assistance to Medicare. $50 Billion for School Renovations and other Education Programs. $17 Billion for additional Pell Grants. $40 Billion in Extended Unemployment and additional unemployment compensation. Outside of Energy Programs, I am not sure of anything in the stimulus that were targeted for corporations.

Everything you listed except maybe the first item is ultimately corporate welfare.

I have no doubt you could twist refund checks sent directly to taxpayers into being corporate welfare.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

Stimulus - Over $100 billion in tax credits to people who did not pay any taxes. $20 Billion in additiona Food Stamps. $30 Billion in Highway Construction. $90 Billion to States. $90 Billion for Temporary Assistance to Medicare. $50 Billion for School Renovations and other Education Programs. $17 Billion for additional Pell Grants. $40 Billion in Extended Unemployment and additional unemployment compensation. Outside of Energy Programs, I am not sure of anything in the stimulus that were targeted for corporations.

Everything you listed except maybe the first item is ultimately corporate welfare.

I think you're defining corporate welfare way too broadly for that term to have any helpful descriptive value.

 

[avoiding injuries]

Stimulus - Over $100 billion in tax credits to people who did not pay any taxes. $20 Billion in additiona Food Stamps. $30 Billion in Highway Construction. $90 Billion to States. $90 Billion for Temporary Assistance to Medicare. $50 Billion for School Renovations and other Education Programs. $17 Billion for additional Pell Grants. $40 Billion in Extended Unemployment and additional unemployment compensation. Outside of Energy Programs, I am not sure of anything in the stimulus that were targeted for corporations.

Everything you listed except maybe the first item is ultimately corporate welfare.

I have no doubt you could twist refund checks sent directly to taxpayers into being corporate welfare.

Haha. Before the edit, there wasn't even "except maybe the first item".

 

[Bottomfeeder Sports]

Stimulus - Over $100 billion in tax credits to people who did not pay any taxes. $20 Billion in additiona Food Stamps. $30 Billion in Highway Construction. $90 Billion to States. $90 Billion for Temporary Assistance to Medicare. $50 Billion for School Renovations and other Education Programs. $17 Billion for additional Pell Grants. $40 Billion in Extended Unemployment and additional unemployment compensation. Outside of Energy Programs, I am not sure of anything in the stimulus that were targeted for corporations.

Everything you listed except maybe the first item is ultimately corporate welfare.

I think you're defining corporate welfare way too broadly for that term to have any helpful descriptive value.

I think you agree with me but won't admit it!

If you give me a dollar that I can only spend in a certain way even if I benefit from that dollar the real target for that dollar was those interests where I must spend it.

 

[Bottomfeeder Sports]

Stimulus - Over $100 billion in tax credits to people who did not pay any taxes. $20 Billion in additiona Food Stamps. $30 Billion in Highway Construction. $90 Billion to States. $90 Billion for Temporary Assistance to Medicare. $50 Billion for School Renovations and other Education Programs. $17 Billion for additional Pell Grants. $40 Billion in Extended Unemployment and additional unemployment compensation. Outside of Energy Programs, I am not sure of anything in the stimulus that were targeted for corporations.

Everything you listed except maybe the first item is ultimately corporate welfare.

I have no doubt you could twist refund checks sent directly to taxpayers into being corporate welfare.

Haha. Before the edit, there wasn't even "except maybe the first item".

True, but anyone that knows my posting history and pays attentions knows that "cash" that can be used anyhow one wants is different than "cash equivalents" that can only be used for designated purposes.

 

[Bottomfeeder Sports]

I love the right wing anti spending folks laughing at me for expressing a classic right wing anti spending idea.

 

[jon_mx]

I love the right wing anti spending folks laughing at me for expressing a classic right wing anti spending idea.

I have not gotten through the thing yet, but the first part it is interesting and reminds me of the vote fraud debate. The reason that people can tout there is very little fraud in the food stamp program (like Tim has done several times) is that no one is policing it.

 

[jon_mx]

I love the right wing anti spending folks laughing at me for expressing a classic right wing anti spending idea.

OK, so the government contracts out with several financial companies the EBT payments of about $75 Billion because they provide the service more cost-effective than the government could and these companies recieve roughly $2 billion in payments for their services, it is all considered corporate welfare? They are being paid for providing a service, the people are getting food stamps for nothing. And yet you consider this $75 Billion corporate welfare?

 

[IvanKaramazov]

Stimulus - Over $100 billion in tax credits to people who did not pay any taxes. $20 Billion in additiona Food Stamps. $30 Billion in Highway Construction. $90 Billion to States. $90 Billion for Temporary Assistance to Medicare. $50 Billion for School Renovations and other Education Programs. $17 Billion for additional Pell Grants. $40 Billion in Extended Unemployment and additional unemployment compensation. Outside of Energy Programs, I am not sure of anything in the stimulus that were targeted for corporations.

Everything you listed except maybe the first item is ultimately corporate welfare.

I think you're defining corporate welfare way too broadly for that term to have any helpful descriptive value.

I think you agree with me but won't admit it!

If you give me a dollar that I can only spend in a certain way even if I benefit from that dollar the real target for that dollar was those interests where I must spend it.

This is kind of a hijack -- sort of -- but I get what you're saying. I just think it's useless as a descriptive tool. If the Earned Income Tax Credit, for example, is corporate welfare, what isn't corporate welfare?

A more helpful way might be to define corporate welfare as any policy the primary purpose of which (or maybe the only rational purpose of which) is to aid a particular sector of business. Building a school obviously benefits the contractor who gets the job, but that's not the main purpose of building schools. Farm price supports and ethanol subsidies, however, make absolutely no sense until you realize that they're a transfer from consumers and taxpayers to multinational agribusinesses, and then these policies make all sorts of sense. That's why school construction isn't corporate welfare but agricultural subsidies are.