HOF Semifinalists Announced (1 Viewer)

[PaperBagHead]

RB Marshall Faulk

RB Curtis Martin

RB Jerome Bettis

CB/WR/KR/PR Deion Sanders

WR Chris Carter

WR Tim Brown

WR Andre Reed

TE Shannon Sharpe

OT Willie Roaf

C Dermontti Dawsom

DE/LB Charles Haley

DE/LB Chris Doleman

LB Kevin Greene

DT Cortez Kennedy

DE Richard Dent

CB Aeneas Williams

CB Lester Hayes

P Ray Guy

Commish Paul Taglibue

Browns/Ravens owner Art Modell

49ers owner Ed Debartolo Jr.

Giants GM George Young

Coach Don Coryell

NFL Films Creator Ed Sabol

 

[Instinctive]

Carter, Deion, Faulk

Greene and Guy I would like to see in as well this year.

 

[CalBear]

Carter, Deion, FaulkGreene and Guy I would like to see in as well this year.

There is absolutely no reason for any punter to be in the Hall of Fame. Ray Guy only makes it on the list because John Madden flaps his lips too much; there is no logical reason for him to be considered significantly better than other punters of his era.

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

Sanders, Faulk, Roaf, Charles Haley, Shannon Sharpe

 

[Jous]

Those are all great players... hope that all of them make it in one day.

 

[Eviloutsider]

Carter, Deion, FaulkGreene and Guy I would like to see in as well this year.

There is absolutely no reason for any punter to be in the Hall of Fame. Ray Guy only makes it on the list because John Madden flaps his lips too much; there is no logical reason for him to be considered significantly better than other punters of his era.

# 7× Pro Bowl selection (1973, 1974, 1975, 1976, 1977, 1978, 1980)# 6× First-team All-Pro selection (1973, 1974, 1975, 1976, 1977, 1978)# 2× Second-team All-Pro Selection (1979, 1980)# 3× Super Bowl champion (XI, XV, XVIII)# NFL's 75th Anniversary Team# NFL 1970s All-Decade Team

 

[Eviloutsider]

Jerry Kramer

 

[ThePittbully]

RB Marshall Faulk

RB Curtis Martin

RB Jerome Bettis

CB/WR/KR/PR Deion Sanders

WR Chris Carter

WR Tim Brown

WR Andre Reed

TE Shannon Sharpe

OT Willie Roaf

C Dermontti Dawsom

DE/LB Charles Haley

DE/LB Chris Doleman

LB Kevin Greene

DT Cortez Kennedy

DE Richard Dent

CB Aeneas Williams

CB Lester Hayes

P Ray Guy

Commish Paul Taglibue

Browns/Ravens owner Art Modell

49ers owner Ed Debartolo Jr.

Giants GM George Young

Coach Don Coryell

NFL Films Creator Ed Sabol

 

[golfguy]

RB Marshall Faulk

RB Curtis Martin

RB Jerome Bettis

CB/WR/KR/PR Deion Sanders

WR Chris Carter

WR Tim Brown

WR Andre Reed

TE Shannon Sharpe

OT Willie Roaf

C Dermontti Dawsom

DE/LB Charles Haley

DE/LB Chris Doleman

LB Kevin Greene

DT Cortez Kennedy

DE Richard Dent

CB Aeneas Williams

CB Lester Hayes

P Ray Guy

Commish Paul Taglibue

Browns/Ravens owner Art Modell

49ers owner Ed Debartolo Jr.

Giants GM George Young

Coach Don Coryell

NFL Films Creator Ed Sabol

 

[Ministry of Pain]

RB Marshall Faulk

RB Curtis Martin

RB Jerome Bettis

CB/WR/KR/PR Deion Sanders

WR Chris Carter

WR Tim Brown

WR Andre Reed

TE Shannon Sharpe

OT Willie Roaf

C Dermontti Dawsom

DE/LB Charles Haley

DE/LB Chris Doleman

LB Kevin Greene

DT Cortez Kennedy

DE Richard Dent

CB Aeneas Williams

CB Lester Hayes

P Ray Guy

Commish Paul Taglibue

Browns/Ravens owner Art Modell

49ers owner Ed Debartolo Jr.

Giants GM George Young

Coach Don Coryell

NFL Films Creator Ed Sabol

 

[oso diablo]

Sabol

trivia: Sabol was selected for the 1936 Olympics as a swimmer, but declined to go because of Hitler and the Nazis.

 

[CalBear]

# 7× Pro Bowl selection (1973, 1974, 1975, 1976, 1977, 1978, 1980)# 6× First-team All-Pro selection (1973, 1974, 1975, 1976, 1977, 1978)# 2× Second-team All-Pro Selection (1979, 1980)# 3× Super Bowl champion (XI, XV, XVIII)# NFL's 75th Anniversary Team# NFL 1970s All-Decade Team

So? He's a punter. He's a punter with mediocre statistics. He happens to have a completely undeserved reputation for being significantly better than everyone else.

 

[Native]

Faulk

Deion

Roaf

Sharpe

 

[Osaurus]

Tags? Really?

 

[Mr. Retukes]

FIRST BALLOT LOCKS:

RB Marshall Faulk

CB/WR/KR/PR Deion Sanders

SHOULD GET IN:

WR Chris Carter

WR Tim Brown

WR Andre Reed

TE Shannon Sharpe

BORDERLINE GUYS:

RB Curtis Martin

RB Jerome Bettis

 

[by_the_sea_wannabe]

RB Marshall FaulkCB/WR/KR/PR Deion SandersWR Chris CarterWR Tim BrownC Dermontti DawsomNFL Films Creator Ed Sabol

I would put these guys in this yearFaulk was the top rb automaticSanders possibly the best cb of all time automaticCC and Tim Brown are borderline but I would put them inDawson should already be in maybe the best C of all timeSabol for what he has contributed belongs inWould be thrilled if Bettis and Martin made it but I don't think either belongs in

 

[Bri]

Love Curtis Martin, prob next year

I don't think Tim Brown is borderline and I wish after 10-20 years people would spell Cris correctly

 

[Bri]

Tags is automatic

 

[NJJets]

RB Marshall FaulkCB/WR/KR/PR Deion SandersWR Chris CarterWR Tim BrownC Dermontti DawsomNFL Films Creator Ed Sabol

I would put these guys in this yearFaulk was the top rb automaticSanders possibly the best cb of all time automaticCC and Tim Brown are borderline but I would put them inDawson should already be in maybe the best C of all timeSabol for what he has contributed belongs inWould be thrilled if Bettis and Martin made it but I don't think either belongs in

Faulk,Sanders,Carter,Sabol (I'm surprised that he wasn't in already) And Dawson (although Brown deserves it also IMHO WR's are somewhat treated unfairly by the voters)

 

[Eviloutsider]

# 7× Pro Bowl selection (1973, 1974, 1975, 1976, 1977, 1978, 1980)# 6× First-team All-Pro selection (1973, 1974, 1975, 1976, 1977, 1978)# 2× Second-team All-Pro Selection (1979, 1980)# 3× Super Bowl champion (XI, XV, XVIII)# NFL's 75th Anniversary Team# NFL 1970s All-Decade Team

So? He's a punter. He's a punter with mediocre statistics. He happens to have a completely undeserved reputation for being significantly better than everyone else.

You can make the argument that he isn't good enough to get in based on his stats but if you are basing it on his position, that is dumb in my mind. The punter is extremely important to the game of football and every team. I would rather have the best players in at there respective positions than some wide receiver that had a couple good years and big catches (Swann).

 

[N Zone]

RB Marshall Faulk

RB Curtis Martin

RB Jerome Bettis

CB/WR/KR/PR Deion Sanders

WR Chris Carter

WR Tim Brown

WR Andre Reed

TE Shannon Sharpe

OT Willie Roaf

C Dermontti Dawsom

DE/LB Charles Haley

DE/LB Chris Doleman

LB Kevin Greene

DT Cortez Kennedy

DE Richard Dent

CB Aeneas Williams

CB Lester Hayes

P Ray Guy

Commish Paul Taglibue

Browns/Ravens owner Art Modell

49ers owner Ed Debartolo Jr.

Giants GM George Young

Coach Don Coryell

NFL Films Creator Ed Sabol

There are 26 semifinalists. http://www.nfl.com/halloffame/story/09000d...e-semifinalistsThe others are:

RB Roger Craig

RB Terrell Davis

 

[Bri]

Tags is automatic

Dawson should be automatic too IMO, missed that before

 

[Adebisi]

FIRST BALLOT LOCKS:

RB Marshall Faulk

CB/WR/KR/PR Deion Sanders

SHOULD GET IN:

WR Chris Carter

WR Tim Brown

WR Andre Reed

TE Shannon Sharpe

BORDERLINE GUYS:

RB Curtis Martin

RB Jerome Bettis

The list of a true fantasy football player.

 

[moleculo]

Terrell Davis is more deserving than either Curtis Martin or Jerome Bettis.

 

[H.Wiggen]

Art Modell better not ever make it. If so I'd want to see a nation wide boycott of the place (and I'm not even a Browns fan).

A lot of good players on the list this year. I've been rooting for Dent but don't see how he'll make it with some of those others on the list.

As for Deion being "one of the best corners of all time" I would like to add the word "cover" to that statement. I will never consider a guy who didn't like to tackle one of the best at any defensive position. I'm sure that's why he wasn't ranked higher in the top 100 list. That said, he still makes it for his great all around game.

 

[Sam Quentin]

RB Marshall FaulkRB Curtis MartinCB/WR/KR/PR Deion SandersWR Tim BrownWR Andre ReedTE Shannon SharpeOT Willie RoafC Dermontti DawsomDE/LB Charles HaleyNFL Films Creator Ed Sabol

 

[CalBear]

# 7× Pro Bowl selection (1973, 1974, 1975, 1976, 1977, 1978, 1980)# 6× First-team All-Pro selection (1973, 1974, 1975, 1976, 1977, 1978)# 2× Second-team All-Pro Selection (1979, 1980)# 3× Super Bowl champion (XI, XV, XVIII)# NFL's 75th Anniversary Team# NFL 1970s All-Decade Team

So? He's a punter. He's a punter with mediocre statistics. He happens to have a completely undeserved reputation for being significantly better than everyone else.

You can make the argument that he isn't good enough to get in based on his stats but if you are basing it on his position, that is dumb in my mind. The punter is extremely important to the game of football and every team. I would rather have the best players in at there respective positions than some wide receiver that had a couple good years and big catches (Swann).

The punter is not extremely important. He's on the field for less than 10 plays a game, and the difference between the best and the worst punter is miniscule compared to the difference at every other position--even place kickers are more differentiated.

 

[NJJets]

Terrell Davis is more deserving than either Curtis Martin or Jerome Bettis.

T.Davis 3x PB 3x AP 7607-60-4.6 Rush 169-1280-5-7.6 Receiving C.Martin 5x PB 1x AP 14101-90-4.0 Rush 484-3329-10-6.9 Receiving C.Martin > T.Davis J.Bettis 6x PB 2x AP 13662-91-3.9 Rush 200-1449-3-7.2 Receiving J.bettis > C.Martin > T.DavisIMHO Bettis and Martin Are WAY more Deserving Than Terrell Davis.

 

[BroncoFreak_2K3]

RB Marshall Faulk

RB Curtis Martin

RB Jerome Bettis

CB/WR/KR/PR Deion Sanders

WR Chris Carter

WR Tim Brown

WR Andre Reed

TE Shannon Sharpe

OT Willie Roaf

C Dermontti Dawsom

DE/LB Charles Haley

DE/LB Chris Doleman

LB Kevin Greene

DT Cortez Kennedy

DE Richard Dent

CB Aeneas Williams

CB Lester Hayes

P Ray Guy

Commish Paul Taglibue

Browns/Ravens owner Art Modell

49ers owner Ed Debartolo Jr.

Giants GM George Young

Coach Don Coryell

NFL Films Creator Ed Sabol

 

[PaperBagHead]

Saboltrivia: Sabol was selected for the 1936 Olympics as a swimmer, but declined to go because of Hitler and the Nazis.

That's fascinating stuff, if this isn't a fishing attempt.

 

[PaperBagHead]

My picks -

RB Marshall FaulkCB/WR/KR/PR Deion SandersTE Shannon SharpeOT Willie RoafP Ray GuyNFL Films Creator Ed Sabol

 

[Hastur]

RB Marshall Faulk

RB Curtis Martin

RB Jerome Bettis

CB/WR/KR/PR Deion Sanders

WR Chris Carter

WR Tim Brown

WR Andre Reed

TE Shannon Sharpe

OT Willie Roaf

C Dermontti Dawsom

DE/LB Charles Haley

DE/LB Chris Doleman

LB Kevin Greene

DT Cortez Kennedy

DE Richard Dent

CB Aeneas Williams

CB Lester Hayes

P Ray Guy

Commish Paul Taglibue

Browns/Ravens owner Art Modell

49ers owner Ed Debartolo Jr.

Giants GM George Young

Coach Don Coryell

NFL Films Creator Ed Sabol

 

[PaperBagHead]

I'd add that Cortez Kennedy is really underrated by history, mostly because he played on nondescript Seahawks teams from 1990-2000.

But he dominated the position for years. He was the best DT against the run and rushing passer (combined).

8 Time pro bowler

3 time first team All-Pro

58 career sacks

He didn't get to the passer as often as Sapp did this past decade, but he was much tougher against the run than a Sapp or John Randle.

He should get in soon, IMO.

 

[BobbyLayne]

This Year

RB Marshall Faulk - mortal lock

This or Next Year

DE/LB Chris Doleman

OT Willie Roaf

CB/WR/KR/PR Deion Sanders

Next Year or Two Years

WR Tim Brown

CB Aeneas William

TE Shannon Sharpe

RB Curtis Martin

In the next 3-5 years

WR Cris Carter

DE Richard Dent

LB Kevin Greene

DT Cortez Kennedy

WR Andre Reed

Doubtful (and these guys were all awesome)

C Dermontti Dawson

P Ray Guy

DE/LB Charles Haley

CB Lester Hayes

I don't much care one way another on the non-players, but Taglibue and Sabol should go first.

 

[oso diablo]

Sabol

trivia: Sabol was selected for the 1936 Olympics as a swimmer, but declined to go because of Hitler and the Nazis.

That's fascinating stuff, if this isn't a fishing attempt.

not fishing. before i posted, i lookup up Sabol on wikipedia, to make sure i was thinking of the right guy (and not his father or son or whatever). Found that tidbit there. Here's a long feature story on Sabol from a 1967 SI article. (It has a different take on the Olympics thing, which makes you wonder which version has been sanitized.) Article is mostly about how Sabol got NFL Films up and running. It's a very good read.

 

[texasheat]

Carter, Faulk, Deion, Haley & Roaf...

 

[Deranged Hermit]

Faulk and Deion are locks. I'd say Sharpe is too but, since he was snubbed last year, who knows. In addition to those three I'd say Dent and either Roaf or Dawson (I can only see one O-lineman get in).

 

[3nOut]

I am really surprised how Richard Dent keeps getting overlooked. He was passed up several times already and deserves to get in this year.

Per Wikipedia:

At the time of his retirement, his 137.5 sacks ranked him third in NFL history behind Reggie White and Bruce Smith.

Also:

4× Pro Bowl selection (1984, 1985, 1990, 1993)

2× First-Team All-Pro selection (1984, 1985)

2× Second-Team All-Pro selection (1988, 1990)

5× All-NFC selection (1984, 1985, 1988, 1990, 1993)

2× Super Bowl champion (XX, XXIX)

Super Bowl XX MVP

ETA: He is currently still 6th all-time in sacks, tied with HOFer John Randle, and with 5 more sacks than HOFer Lawrence Taylor.

 

[Sudsy]

Ed Sabol should go in alone this year.

His speech should point out that it is a travesty that Jerry Kramer is not in the Hall. It is a shame that John Facenda will not be around to introduce him.

 

[butcher boy]

There are so many locks on that list, I doubt he'll get in, but Eddie D should get a nod for being probably the best owner ever, or at least in the modern era.

 

[Ghost Rider]

Terrell Davis is more deserving than either Curtis Martin or Jerome Bettis.

T.Davis 3x PB 3x AP 7607-60-4.6 Rush 169-1280-5-7.6 Receiving C.Martin 5x PB 1x AP 14101-90-4.0 Rush 484-3329-10-6.9 Receiving C.Martin > T.Davis J.Bettis 6x PB 2x AP 13662-91-3.9 Rush 200-1449-3-7.2 Receiving J.bettis > C.Martin > T.DavisIMHO Bettis and Martin Are WAY more Deserving Than Terrell Davis.

No way. Care to compare their postseason numbers? TD is arguably the greatest postseason RB ever, while neither Martin nor Bettis did anything noteworthy in the postseason from an individual standpoint (before anyone points out Bettis getting a ring as a backup as being a noteworthy accomplishment).

 

[Anarchy99]

Terrell Davis is more deserving than either Curtis Martin or Jerome Bettis.

T.Davis 3x PB 3x AP 7607-60-4.6 Rush 169-1280-5-7.6 Receiving C.Martin 5x PB 1x AP 14101-90-4.0 Rush 484-3329-10-6.9 Receiving C.Martin > T.Davis J.Bettis 6x PB 2x AP 13662-91-3.9 Rush 200-1449-3-7.2 Receiving J.bettis > C.Martin > T.DavisIMHO Bettis and Martin Are WAY more Deserving Than Terrell Davis.

No way. Care to compare their postseason numbers? TD is arguably the greatest postseason RB ever, while neither Martin nor Bettis did anything noteworthy in the postseason from an individual standpoint (before anyone points out Bettis getting a ring as a backup as being a noteworthy accomplishment).

As has been argued ad naseum, HOF voters care about career numbers, especially given the longer careers of recent era players.On that front, Davis ranks 45th in rushing yards and 40th in rushing TD. All the RBs that are in Canton that ranked lower played in eras well before Davis. He basically had 3 great years, one decent one, and 3 nominal ones. Voters are scared off by only 3 HOF worthy years (no matter what he did in the post season).I don't agree that that's the way it should be, but that's the way things seem to be.

 

[moleculo]

any argument for Bettis and/or Martin over Davis is an argument favoring stat compilers over short but brilliant performers.

 

[Bri]

any argument for Bettis and/or Martin over Davis is an argument favoring stat compilers over short but brilliant performers.

I don't think so.Tell me your FF team and/or any NFL team doesn't know just how valuable a quality durability is to have in a RB.Martin's a gem of a man. (I'm not saying it is or isn't but IF) If it's close with anyone, that's going to be his tiebreaking edge.

 

[Bri]

Terrell Davis is more deserving than either Curtis Martin or Jerome Bettis.

T.Davis 3x PB 3x AP 7607-60-4.6 Rush 169-1280-5-7.6 Receiving C.Martin 5x PB 1x AP 14101-90-4.0 Rush 484-3329-10-6.9 Receiving C.Martin > T.Davis J.Bettis 6x PB 2x AP 13662-91-3.9 Rush 200-1449-3-7.2 Receiving J.bettis > C.Martin > T.DavisIMHO Bettis and Martin Are WAY more Deserving Than Terrell Davis.

No way. Care to compare their postseason numbers? TD is arguably the greatest postseason RB ever, while neither Martin nor Bettis did anything noteworthy in the postseason from an individual standpoint (before anyone points out Bettis getting a ring as a backup as being a noteworthy accomplishment).

Why? Martin made the Supe and Bettis won one or two. That's noteworthy.(wise but to make a point) If post season is so important than why isn't Timmy Smith in the hall?

 

[Bri]

A lot of Broncos fans in this thread- you guys gotta say Tim Brown is HOF worthy, right?

 

[Kleck]

Jerry Kramer

Dent would also get a vote from me. Again...

 

[Csonka4life]

There is no way Andre Reed is making it this year. He is way too marginal. Also Dawson isn't even the best center in Steeler history. It's Webster. Also Guy needs to be in if the hall is about the best players at all positions. But it obviously isn't as only 1 field goal kicker is in and no punters.

 

[Hastur]

Surprised I didn't see an update in this thread with the Final inductees:

Marshall Faulk

Deion Sanders

Shannon Sharpe

Chris Hamburger

Les Richter

Richard Dent

Ed Sabol

 

[Detroit Revival]

FIRST BALLOT LOCKS:

RB Marshall Faulk

CB/WR/KR/PR Deion Sanders

SHOULD GET IN:

WR Chris Carter

WR Tim Brown

WR Andre Reed

TE Shannon Sharpe

BORDERLINE GUYS:

RB Curtis Martin

RB Jerome Bettis

The list of a true fantasy football player.

Exception. Sanders was the best pure athlete to play the game and was a guy opposing teams would have to adjust to when he was on the field.