Hold your breath Brandon Marshall owners! (1 Viewer)

[Chachi]

(RotoWire) Update: Marshall met with league commissioner Roger Goodell in New York last Friday to discuss his off-field issues, the Denver Post reports. Analysis: Marshall was joined by his attorney and newly retired Broncos receiver Rod Smith to review the off-field issues that have plagued the receiver for the past couple of seasons. Though he has yet to be convicted of any crime, he has been arrested and ticketed numerous times, which could lead to a suspension under the league's conduct policy. A decision from the commissioner's office is expected next week as to whether Marshall will be suspended, and if so, how long it will be.

My best guess is we'll see him in week 5 with the brutal 3 games of Bucs, Jags, Patriots.

 

[Joe Bryant]

Genius move bringing Rod Smith. I'm sure he did the "I'll keep him under my wing" talk. Very smart.

J

 

[Buffaloes]

Genius move bringing Rod Smith. I'm sure he did the "I'll keep him under my wing" talk. Very smart.J

With Smith probably officially retiring today, I hope he stays on at some capacity with the Broncos. I think he's a good mentor for the younger WRs.

 

[Interseptopus]

Rod Smith is still alive?

...and people talk every offseason if FAVRE will retire. Man, he's gotta be in his 40s by now...

 

[Jason Wood]

I'm guessing a meeting with Goodell probably puts Marshall in the "absolutely last chance" camp. Anything else, whether it be a DUI or a domestic disturbance call or a well publicized dustup somewhere will lead to a suspension. But, for now, I would guess he won't get time out.

 

[BigJim®]

Genius move bringing Rod Smith. I'm sure he did the "I'll keep him under my wing" talk. Very smart.J

Genius move? Honestly if that transparent ploy works, it does not say much for the league's process and/or considerations when enforcing its policies.

 

[Jason Wood]

Genius move bringing Rod Smith. I'm sure he did the "I'll keep him under my wing" talk. Very smart.J

Genius move? Honestly if that transparent ploy works, it does not say much for the league's process and/or considerations when enforcing its policies.

Guys, Rod Smith is the Broncos NFLPA Player Rep. That's why he's accompanying Brandon Marshall.

 

[mozzy84]

I'm guessing a meeting with Goodell probably puts Marshall in the "absolutely last chance" camp. Anything else, whether it be a DUI or a domestic disturbance call or a well publicized dustup somewhere will lead to a suspension. But, for now, I would guess he won't get time out.

this has been my stance from the start, no way he gets 4 games imo.

 

[King of the Jungle]

IF suspended...would the Broncos stoop to entering the Chris Henry sweepstakes if gets re-instated?

 

[Banger]

I'm guessing a meeting with Goodell probably puts Marshall in the "absolutely last chance" camp. Anything else, whether it be a DUI or a domestic disturbance call or a well publicized dustup somewhere will lead to a suspension. But, for now, I would guess he won't get time out.

Agreed. I think he's being put in the penalty box with a warning that another screw up will lead him to the bench for a couple games. The Commish (this is totally my speculation) may also try to pursuade him to settle that case with his GF even if he is in the right and just move on and put it behind him and the league. Goddell is very aware of PR and putting that situation to bed would probably make him happy.

 

[ImTheScientist]

Roger Goodell rules with an IRON FIST!

 

[SSOG]

IF suspended...would the Broncos stoop to entering the Chris Henry sweepstakes if gets re-instated?

No. Denver's already thrown a lot of crap at the wall so far (DJax, Colbert, Parker, Royal), so it's time to see what sticks. I could definitely see them pursuing Eric Parker, though. JMO.

 

[joffer]

can Goodell suspend for any # of games that he wants or does it have to be 4 games, 8, 16,etc.?

 

[Joe Bryant]

Genius move bringing Rod Smith. I'm sure he did the "I'll keep him under my wing" talk. Very smart.J

Genius move? Honestly if that transparent ploy works, it does not say much for the league's process and/or considerations when enforcing its policies.

Guys, Rod Smith is the Broncos NFLPA Player Rep. That's why he's accompanying Brandon Marshall.

You think that's all it is, Jason? That's not normal protocol for the player rep to attend the meeting whenever the guy is called in is it?I think it's a "vouch" for type thing and I'd be really surprised if there wasn't the "I'll have have him under the wing" talk from Smith. Coming from a class player like him as he retires would carry a lot of weight.J

 

[qazqaz11]

Genius move bringing Rod Smith. I'm sure he did the "I'll keep him under my wing" talk. Very smart.J

Genius move? Honestly if that transparent ploy works, it does not say much for the league's process and/or considerations when enforcing its policies.

Guys, Rod Smith is the Broncos NFLPA Player Rep. That's why he's accompanying Brandon Marshall.

You think that's all it is, Jason? That's not normal protocol for the player rep to attend the meeting whenever the guy is called in is it?I think it's a "vouch" for type thing and I'd be really surprised if there wasn't the "I'll have have him under the wing" talk from Smith. Coming from a class player like him as he retires would carry a lot of weight.J

Unless Smith promises to monitor Marshall 24/7/365 I don't see his presence having any affect on Goodalls decision.

 

[Tackling Dummies]

Roger Goodell rules with an IRON FIST!

His track record is that he'll suspend players without arrest convictions, so I'd be surprised if he suits up for 16 games. 3 games with a option for reduction if he stays out of trouble.

 

[Joe Bryant]

Genius move bringing Rod Smith. I'm sure he did the "I'll keep him under my wing" talk. Very smart.J

Genius move? Honestly if that transparent ploy works, it does not say much for the league's process and/or considerations when enforcing its policies.

Guys, Rod Smith is the Broncos NFLPA Player Rep. That's why he's accompanying Brandon Marshall.

You think that's all it is, Jason? That's not normal protocol for the player rep to attend the meeting whenever the guy is called in is it?I think it's a "vouch" for type thing and I'd be really surprised if there wasn't the "I'll have have him under the wing" talk from Smith. Coming from a class player like him as he retires would carry a lot of weight.J

Unless Smith promises to monitor Marshall 24/7/365 I don't see his presence having any affect on Goodalls decision.

That's cool. But I think it would make a difference.I'd say Goodell would talk to Smith about him either way. If Smith says, "Kid's out of control, I don't know what kind of trouble he's going to get into next. He needs a wakeup call" that is a huge difference than a respected guy like Smith saying, "Young man made a bad decision. But I think he's got a great heart and I think he's truly committed to staying below the radar. I'll do all I can to help show him the ropes".J

 

[BigJim®]

Genius move bringing Rod Smith. I'm sure he did the "I'll keep him under my wing" talk. Very smart.J

Genius move? Honestly if that transparent ploy works, it does not say much for the league's process and/or considerations when enforcing its policies.

Guys, Rod Smith is the Broncos NFLPA Player Rep. That's why he's accompanying Brandon Marshall.

Do player reps typically attend these? I guess I don't recall reading that the Bengal's rep attended with C.Henry, or the Titan's rep attended with A.Jones. I'd be curious how often this happens.

 

[Moe Green]

Roger Goodell rules with an IRON FIST!

Good.

 

[SSOG]

Genius move bringing Rod Smith. I'm sure he did the "I'll keep him under my wing" talk. Very smart.J

Genius move? Honestly if that transparent ploy works, it does not say much for the league's process and/or considerations when enforcing its policies.

Guys, Rod Smith is the Broncos NFLPA Player Rep. That's why he's accompanying Brandon Marshall.

Are you certain about this? I know that Smith *USED* to be the NFLPA rep, but I also know that Foxworth is the youngest player in history to become an NFLPA rep and that he was elected to the executive board this season (again becoming the youngest player so honored). Does a team get a player on the executive board *AND* a second player rep, or does the guy on the board handle player rep duties, too? I tried some searches, but I can't find a whole lot of detail on the organizational structure of the NFLPA and how it operates.

 

[Jayrod]

Any suspension would have to have negative implications for Cutler as well, I'd think.

I'd be surprised if he got more than a game for this stuff.

 

[Jason Wood]

Maybe Rod was there just to be a character witness, I could be wrong

If that's the case, I think it's a pretty silly idea. Unless Goodell is super tight with Smith, I hardly think having a teammate show up and say, "he's a good guy at heart" will shape his decision.

 

[gianmarco]

With the uncertainty and subjectivity that's been coming from the commish, I wouldn't be surprised by anything that happened. 0 games suspension would surprise me as much as 4 games would. Hell, if he said he's out until 2009, I'd only be slightly puzzled.

 

[Joe Bryant]

With the uncertainty and subjectivity that's been coming from the commish, I wouldn't be surprised by anything that happened. 0 games suspension would surprise me as much as 4 games would. Hell, if he said he's out until 2009, I'd only be slightly puzzled.

Hi gianmarco,What decisions do you feel have been inconsistent?J

 

[Christo]

Genius move bringing Rod Smith. I'm sure he did the "I'll keep him under my wing" talk. Very smart.J

Genius move? Honestly if that transparent ploy works, it does not say much for the league's process and/or considerations when enforcing its policies.

Ploy? Do you think Smith actually agreed to be used like that? I think it's more likely that Smith is convinced that Marshall really is looking to straighten out.

 

[SSOG]

Maybe Rod was there just to be a character witness, I could be wrong If that's the case, I think it's a pretty silly idea. Unless Goodell is super tight with Smith, I hardly think having a teammate show up and say, "he's a good guy at heart" will shape his decision.

Reading up on it a bit more, I think Rod Smith is the players rep and Foxworth was merely involved with the NFLPA in some other way before this year (when he became a member of the Executive Board). Rod Smith was one of the three players who nominated Foxworth for the Executive Board position, and I believe only Player Reps would be part of the nominating and voting body.I don't know, the entire thing is as clear as mud. All I know is that nobody accompanied Pac Man or Chris Henry, or any of the other players who have been called before the commissioner. At least, to the best of my knowledge, no one has. That would suggest to me that Rod Smith is going for some reason other than as an official capacity as Player Rep.

 

[gianmarco]

With the uncertainty and subjectivity that's been coming from the commish, I wouldn't be surprised by anything that happened. 0 games suspension would surprise me as much as 4 games would. Hell, if he said he's out until 2009, I'd only be slightly puzzled.

Hi gianmarco,What decisions do you feel have been inconsistent?J

Inconsistent and subjective are 2 different things. I don't think he's been inconsistent, but he's setting new precedents with almost every ruling that has taken place. He's not doing things the way they were done before. Thus, there's no telling how he's going to decide here.The mere fact that you're thinking that Rod Smith could influence how he acts supports my stance. If it's possible that he will receive a lesser punishment with someone vouching for him, then that is the very definition of subjectivity. He views each case individually, talks to the players, and then rules how HE sees fit (subjective) and not based on previous cases or similar instances with precedence (more objective). Trying to predict what he's going to decide in this matter is like trying to predict the weather without Doppler. A guess at best. In the past, it would be pretty easy to guess how long a player might be suspended for something because it was usually the same thing over and over (and oftentimes minimal).I'm not saying necessarily that it's wrong as I think he's done some good things for the league, but just that he rules how he sees fit and there is a great deal of uncertainty that goes along with that when trying to figure out what will happen next.

 

[kaso]

Genius move bringing Rod Smith. I'm sure he did the "I'll keep him under my wing" talk. Very smart.J

Genius move? Honestly if that transparent ploy works, it does not say much for the league's process and/or considerations when enforcing its policies.

Guys, Rod Smith is the Broncos NFLPA Player Rep. That's why he's accompanying Brandon Marshall.

You think that's all it is, Jason? That's not normal protocol for the player rep to attend the meeting whenever the guy is called in is it?I think it's a "vouch" for type thing and I'd be really surprised if there wasn't the "I'll have have him under the wing" talk from Smith. Coming from a class player like him as he retires would carry a lot of weight.J

Unless Smith promises to monitor Marshall 24/7/365 I don't see his presence having any affect on Goodalls decision.

That's cool. But I think it would make a difference.I'd say Goodell would talk to Smith about him either way. If Smith says, "Kid's out of control, I don't know what kind of trouble he's going to get into next. He needs a wakeup call" that is a huge difference than a respected guy like Smith saying, "Young man made a bad decision. But I think he's got a great heart and I think he's truly committed to staying below the radar. I'll do all I can to help show him the ropes".J

i don't know if Smith's presence buys Marshall anything. I doubt it would a factor in swinging Goodells opinion of the situation. But if I were sitting in Goodell's chair and those two showed up with a plan of action which included mentoring by Smith, my first question would be why hasn't that worked to this point in his career? It's not like Smith is just joining the team.

 

[Joe Bryant]

With the uncertainty and subjectivity that's been coming from the commish, I wouldn't be surprised by anything that happened. 0 games suspension would surprise me as much as 4 games would. Hell, if he said he's out until 2009, I'd only be slightly puzzled.

Hi gianmarco,What decisions do you feel have been inconsistent?J

Inconsistent and subjective are 2 different things. I don't think he's been inconsistent, but he's setting new precedents with almost every ruling that has taken place. He's not doing things the way they were done before. Thus, there's no telling how he's going to decide here.The mere fact that you're thinking that Rod Smith could influence how he acts supports my stance. If it's possible that he will receive a lesser punishment with someone vouching for him, then that is the very definition of subjectivity. He views each case individually, talks to the players, and then rules how HE sees fit (subjective) and not based on previous cases or similar instances with precedence (more objective). Trying to predict what he's going to decide in this matter is like trying to predict the weather without Doppler. A guess at best. In the past, it would be pretty easy to guess how long a player might be suspended for something because it was usually the same thing over and over (and oftentimes minimal).I'm not saying necessarily that it's wrong as I think he's done some good things for the league, but just that he rules how he sees fit and there is a great deal of uncertainty that goes along with that when trying to figure out what will happen next.

That's really interesting, thanks for sharing the thoughts. I think I'd much rather have a guy like this that is consistent and that can take the time to examine each case subjectively. It's not a fill in the blank deal with the offense equals this sentence without looking any deeper than that. I'm still surprised to hear you say you would be only slightly puzzled if Marshall were to receive a year suspension. I have to think you're in the minority there as that would be way out of line with anything he's shown prior.I actually think he's been extremely fair and consistent and most importantly, effective.J

 

[travdogg]

I don't see a suspension coming here. I liked the penalty box analogy. Let's not forget Marshall hasn't been convicted of anything, and while he has had some incidents its nowhere even close to what Henry and Pacman had.

 

[gianmarco]

With the uncertainty and subjectivity that's been coming from the commish, I wouldn't be surprised by anything that happened. 0 games suspension would surprise me as much as 4 games would. Hell, if he said he's out until 2009, I'd only be slightly puzzled.

Hi gianmarco,What decisions do you feel have been inconsistent?J

Inconsistent and subjective are 2 different things. I don't think he's been inconsistent, but he's setting new precedents with almost every ruling that has taken place. He's not doing things the way they were done before. Thus, there's no telling how he's going to decide here.The mere fact that you're thinking that Rod Smith could influence how he acts supports my stance. If it's possible that he will receive a lesser punishment with someone vouching for him, then that is the very definition of subjectivity. He views each case individually, talks to the players, and then rules how HE sees fit (subjective) and not based on previous cases or similar instances with precedence (more objective). Trying to predict what he's going to decide in this matter is like trying to predict the weather without Doppler. A guess at best. In the past, it would be pretty easy to guess how long a player might be suspended for something because it was usually the same thing over and over (and oftentimes minimal).I'm not saying necessarily that it's wrong as I think he's done some good things for the league, but just that he rules how he sees fit and there is a great deal of uncertainty that goes along with that when trying to figure out what will happen next.

That's really interesting, thanks for sharing the thoughts. I think I'd much rather have a guy like this that is consistent and that can take the time to examine each case subjectively. It's not a fill in the blank deal with the offense equals this sentence without looking any deeper than that. I'm still surprised to hear you say you would be only slightly puzzled if Marshall were to receive a year suspension. I have to think you're in the minority there as that would be way out of line with anything he's shown prior.I actually think he's been extremely fair and consistent and most importantly, effective.J

The slightly puzzled over a year suspension comment is hyperbole. It would definitely be surprising and unexpected, it was simply to make my point that anything could really happen. I seriously doubt that. I also like how he's doing MOST things. The thing is, while he's been subjective so far and looks at things individually, he hasn't ruled on enough things to see whether or not he's consistent. It won't be until we start seeing a few more of these with similar features whether or not he handles them in a consistent manner or not. This ruling here is going to go a long way to show which direction he's headed as it will undoubtedly be compared to Pacman, Tank, Odell, Chris Henry, etc. You can also bet that many lawyers that represent these guys are watching VERY CLOSELY how this unfolds and will use any discrepancy to file a grievance, etc. I agree he's been effective but I also think the time is going to come eventually that he's going to get in some hot water because of it himself.

 

[Buckeyedawgs]

I own Marshall several Dynasty teams. I don;t think I could get fair value for him right now. So I will ride the horse and hope he straightens his act up. I don't see more then a 2 game suspension if that but agree he better get his act together or he will be right behind t.Henry and bungals Henry out the door.

His first two years production was better then any receiver ever in first two years I think. Up there among the best at worst. To me thats worth risking he will straighten up.

 

[Tackling Dummies]

This ruling here is going to go a long way to show which direction he's headed as it will undoubtedly be compared to Pacman, Tank, Odell, Chris Henry, etc. You can also bet that many lawyers that represent these guys are watching VERY CLOSELY how this unfolds and will use any discrepancy to file a grievance, etc. I agree he's been effective but I also think the time is going to come eventually that he's going to get in some hot water because of it himself.

Considering the Players Union signed off on Goodell handing out punsishment as his office dictates, I'm not sure where any player and his legal team would have any leverage.

 

[BusMan]

Worst case scenario I can envision is a two-gamer. Even that would be pretty tough considering some other situations (Marshawn Lynch).

Perhaps Smith is there to petition for anger management instead of a suspension?

 

[Joe Bryant]

With the uncertainty and subjectivity that's been coming from the commish, I wouldn't be surprised by anything that happened. 0 games suspension would surprise me as much as 4 games would. Hell, if he said he's out until 2009, I'd only be slightly puzzled.

Hi gianmarco,What decisions do you feel have been inconsistent?J

Inconsistent and subjective are 2 different things. I don't think he's been inconsistent, but he's setting new precedents with almost every ruling that has taken place. He's not doing things the way they were done before. Thus, there's no telling how he's going to decide here.The mere fact that you're thinking that Rod Smith could influence how he acts supports my stance. If it's possible that he will receive a lesser punishment with someone vouching for him, then that is the very definition of subjectivity. He views each case individually, talks to the players, and then rules how HE sees fit (subjective) and not based on previous cases or similar instances with precedence (more objective). Trying to predict what he's going to decide in this matter is like trying to predict the weather without Doppler. A guess at best. In the past, it would be pretty easy to guess how long a player might be suspended for something because it was usually the same thing over and over (and oftentimes minimal).I'm not saying necessarily that it's wrong as I think he's done some good things for the league, but just that he rules how he sees fit and there is a great deal of uncertainty that goes along with that when trying to figure out what will happen next.

That's really interesting, thanks for sharing the thoughts. I think I'd much rather have a guy like this that is consistent and that can take the time to examine each case subjectively. It's not a fill in the blank deal with the offense equals this sentence without looking any deeper than that. I'm still surprised to hear you say you would be only slightly puzzled if Marshall were to receive a year suspension. I have to think you're in the minority there as that would be way out of line with anything he's shown prior.I actually think he's been extremely fair and consistent and most importantly, effective.J

The slightly puzzled over a year suspension comment is hyperbole. It would definitely be surprising and unexpected, it was simply to make my point that anything could really happen. I seriously doubt that. I also like how he's doing MOST things. The thing is, while he's been subjective so far and looks at things individually, he hasn't ruled on enough things to see whether or not he's consistent. It won't be until we start seeing a few more of these with similar features whether or not he handles them in a consistent manner or not. This ruling here is going to go a long way to show which direction he's headed as it will undoubtedly be compared to Pacman, Tank, Odell, Chris Henry, etc. You can also bet that many lawyers that represent these guys are watching VERY CLOSELY how this unfolds and will use any discrepancy to file a grievance, etc. I agree he's been effective but I also think the time is going to come eventually that he's going to get in some hot water because of it himself.

Cool. Thanks.J

 

[SSOG]

His first two years production was better then any receiver ever in first two years I think. Up there among the best at worst.

Not even close.In terms of receptions in the first two seasons, Marshall ranks 22nd with 122. The leaders are Colston (168), Fitzgerald (161), Boldin (157), Chrebet (150), and Moss (149). This was actually Marshalls *BEST* category.In terms of receiving yards in the first two seasons, Marshall ranks 50th with 1634. The leaders are Moss (2726), Groman (2648), Rice (2497), Hennigan (2468), and Holt (2423).In terms of receiving TDs in the first two seasons, Marshall ties for 95th with 9. The leaders are Groman (29), Moss (28), Hayes (25), Jefferson (23), and Turner (23).In terms of fantasy points in the first two seasons, Marshall ranks 59th with 224. Moss and Groman both had 445 (about double Marshall's total), Jerry Rice had 380, Bob Hayes had 379, and Charlie Hennigan had 355.Two young active receivers *DO* rank up there in terms of 2-year totals, though. Marques Colston and Larry Fitzgerald both rank very high on all lists, including 9th and 10th in fantasy points with 338 and 332 (about 50% higher than Marshall's 2-year total). Brandon Marshall, though? Not so much.Even if you want to eliminate the first season and just look at the 2nd year... Brandon Marshall's season last year was the 22nd best season by a 2nd-year WR in NFL history at 180 points.Edit: You might want to hold on to Marshall because of what you estimate his talent to be, but please, don't mark him as untradable based on what he's done on the field so far. Historically speaking, he's been very good, even great, but far from unbelievable.

 

[massraider]

Worst case scenario I can envision is a two-gamer. Even that would be pretty tough considering some other situations (Marshawn Lynch).

Perhaps Smith is there to petition for anger management instead of a suspension?

If Vegas was setting a line, I would think two games would be a decent over/under.

 

[renesauz]

I don't see a suspension coming here. I liked the penalty box analogy. Let's not forget Marshall hasn't been convicted of anything, and while he has had some incidents its nowhere even close to what Henry and Pacman had.

We had a long thread on this stuff already. While Marshall has found the news a lot, he really has done very little outside of the problems with his x-girlfriend, which may very be more her then him. Even those "incidents" were little more then complaints and arguments, with no arrests or charges.I would think Goodell is just trying to take his own measure of the kid, and the penalty box analogy may be very appropriate.I can't for the life of me see just cause for any kind of significant suspension. Maybe one game, IF THAT....as a warning more then anything else.

 

[5-ish Finkle]

I can't see them hitting him for half the year or more. I could certainly see him getting tagged for a couple games.

Thing is though.....he could still catch 90-something balls if he plays the other 14.

I just started my first draft of the year this week. This suspension business won't have played out by the time someone needs to decide if they're taking Marshall or not. If he's available come my selection in mid-round 3, I'm all over him like white on rice, "suspension looming" be damned.

 

[Joe Bryant]

Worst case scenario I can envision is a two-gamer. Even that would be pretty tough considering some other situations (Marshawn Lynch).

Perhaps Smith is there to petition for anger management instead of a suspension?

If Vegas was setting a line, I would think two games would be a decent over/under.

J

 

[renesauz]

Worst case scenario I can envision is a two-gamer. Even that would be pretty tough considering some other situations (Marshawn Lynch).

Perhaps Smith is there to petition for anger management instead of a suspension?

If Vegas was setting a line, I would think two games would be a decent over/under.

J

Mark me all over that under. The Henry/Pacman situations were FAR more serious.

 

[gianmarco]

Brandon Marshall-WR- Broncos Jul. 24 - 7:29 pm etNFL Network's Adam Schefter believes that Brandon Marshall is in danger of a four- to eight-game suspension.Early indications were that Marshall might only miss one to three, but he's been arrested three times in the last year and has a DUI charge pending, so this new estimate may be more realistic. Fantasy owners drafting early this year must take this into account. Schefter is a former Broncos beat writer and has excellent connections with anything Denver-related. The league is expected to make a formal decision on Marshall's status by next week.

Like I said........

 

[Joe Bryant]

Brandon Marshall-WR- Broncos Jul. 24 - 7:29 pm etNFL Network's Adam Schefter believes that Brandon Marshall is in danger of a four- to eight-game suspension.Early indications were that Marshall might only miss one to three, but he's been arrested three times in the last year and has a DUI charge pending, so this new estimate may be more realistic. Fantasy owners drafting early this year must take this into account. Schefter is a former Broncos beat writer and has excellent connections with anything Denver-related. The league is expected to make a formal decision on Marshall's status by next week.

Like I said........

What exactly are you saying gianmarco?For a guy that has been arrested three times in the last year and has a DUI charge pending, what do you think would be the proper punishment (if any)?J

 

[gianmarco]

Brandon Marshall-WR- Broncos Jul. 24 - 7:29 pm etNFL Network's Adam Schefter believes that Brandon Marshall is in danger of a four- to eight-game suspension.Early indications were that Marshall might only miss one to three, but he's been arrested three times in the last year and has a DUI charge pending, so this new estimate may be more realistic. Fantasy owners drafting early this year must take this into account. Schefter is a former Broncos beat writer and has excellent connections with anything Denver-related. The league is expected to make a formal decision on Marshall's status by next week.

Like I said........

What exactly are you saying gianmarco?For a guy that has been arrested three times in the last year and has a DUI charge pending, what do you think would be the proper punishment (if any)?J

Well, to be honest, I'd have to sit down and compare all of Pacman's and Tank's transgressions to Marshall's to see how Goodell has handled it to get an accurate assessment of what it SHOULD be in relation to what he's already done. What I was saying is that everyone was expecting 4 games or less, and now it seems it could be as high as 8 games. Essentially, there is very little to base these predictions on because he has been quite subjective so far. So, in the past, there is NO WAY someone would get an 8 game suspension for what he's done, but it's quite possible here and most didn't consider it (and still disagree). That's essentially what I meant.

 

[Buckna]

Jared Allen originally got 4 games and had it reduced to 2. I think it would set a bad precedent to give Marshall more than Allen got considering Allen has three DUI's on his record.

Marshall has 1 pending DUI and a number of previous incidents, but most of those incidents never resulted in charges being filed. The few times they were they were dismissed or dropped. The Commish obviously has some leeway, but this isn't exactly a Chris Henry situation where you've got multiple drug and alcohol violations on top of firearm convictions.

 

[Joe Bryant]

Brandon Marshall-WR- Broncos Jul. 24 - 7:29 pm etNFL Network's Adam Schefter believes that Brandon Marshall is in danger of a four- to eight-game suspension.Early indications were that Marshall might only miss one to three, but he's been arrested three times in the last year and has a DUI charge pending, so this new estimate may be more realistic. Fantasy owners drafting early this year must take this into account. Schefter is a former Broncos beat writer and has excellent connections with anything Denver-related. The league is expected to make a formal decision on Marshall's status by next week.

Like I said........

What exactly are you saying gianmarco?For a guy that has been arrested three times in the last year and has a DUI charge pending, what do you think would be the proper punishment (if any)?J

Well, to be honest, I'd have to sit down and compare all of Pacman's and Tank's transgressions to Marshall's to see how Goodell has handled it to get an accurate assessment of what it SHOULD be in relation to what he's already done.

I'd agree with that. What I'm saying is that after Marshall's suspension is handed down, I bet if one did sit down and compare all this we'll find it's pretty close. With the exception of the thing we'll never know - how Goodell felt about the face to face meeting. It's interesting to me in that you seem to see that subjectivity in a negative light that he'd take into account more than the actual legal charges. I think it's a positive that he bases some of the punishment on a gut feel for the guy himself and what he can draw from a face to face meeting. I don't have any problem that it's not completly cut and dried. In fact, I sort of like it as I think in this setup, you get a more fair end product. The number of people that are under his control is small enough that you can have one "King" in Goodell and it can still work.J

 

[gianmarco]

Brandon Marshall-WR- Broncos Jul. 24 - 7:29 pm etNFL Network's Adam Schefter believes that Brandon Marshall is in danger of a four- to eight-game suspension.Early indications were that Marshall might only miss one to three, but he's been arrested three times in the last year and has a DUI charge pending, so this new estimate may be more realistic. Fantasy owners drafting early this year must take this into account. Schefter is a former Broncos beat writer and has excellent connections with anything Denver-related. The league is expected to make a formal decision on Marshall's status by next week.

Like I said........

What exactly are you saying gianmarco?For a guy that has been arrested three times in the last year and has a DUI charge pending, what do you think would be the proper punishment (if any)?J

Well, to be honest, I'd have to sit down and compare all of Pacman's and Tank's transgressions to Marshall's to see how Goodell has handled it to get an accurate assessment of what it SHOULD be in relation to what he's already done.

I'd agree with that. What I'm saying is that after Marshall's suspension is handed down, I bet if one did sit down and compare all this we'll find it's pretty close. With the exception of the thing we'll never know - how Goodell felt about the face to face meeting. It's interesting to me in that you seem to see that subjectivity in a negative light that he'd take into account more than the actual legal charges. I think it's a positive that he bases some of the punishment on a gut feel for the guy himself and what he can draw from a face to face meeting. I don't have any problem that it's not completly cut and dried. In fact, I sort of like it as I think in this setup, you get a more fair end product. The number of people that are under his control is small enough that you can have one "King" in Goodell and it can still work.J

Well, then maybe my thoughts haven't been conveyed well. I don't see it in a negative light at all. In fact, I think it's much better this way because each person and each circumstance is different. For the most part, I like Goodell and what he's done more than most. I think he's gone a long way in starting to clean up some of the negative image created by some players. I don't think he's been perfect and there's been a few things here and there that I think should have been handled differently/better, but I think you've misunderstood my points. My "negative tone" was more toward those posting here that think he's going to be going by prior precedence in order to predict what's going to happen to Marshall and I think how "serious" this is for Marshall is being underestimated. At the same time, I don't think it's a given that he's going to be missing the time either as it's all going to depend on his meetings with Marshall.My post in regards to talk of this being 4-8 games was an affirmation of the fact that I don't think 8 games was even a consideration for the majority of people but I think it should have been. And again, I'm not surprised by it at all.

 

[travdogg]

So, assuming he is suspended for 4 games(seems most likely) how does this effect his ranking? Still top-20? Top-25? Good guy to buy-low in dynasty leagues?

 

[Max Power]

So, assuming he is suspended for 4 games(seems most likely) how does this effect his ranking? Still top-20? Top-25? Good guy to buy-low in dynasty leagues?

I'm not sure I'd buy at all in a Dynasty... in a redraft, I would look at him somewhere in the top 60-80 range assuming a 4 game ban.

 

[Max Power]

My question to those who support a no suspension approch...

This kid is obviously going down the wrong road in life. He is still young and there is still time to get his act together. Wouldn't it be the better for everyone if the NFL nips this in the butt right now? Goodell needs to tell him these type of repeated actions have no place in the NFL and toss him a 4 game suspension.

Marshall strikes me a guy who has the "one more chance" talk a couple times already. It obviously isn't working. He could be at a point where it just gets tuned out or he becomes a "yes man" during that talk.

Sit him 4 games and let it sink in. He needs to learn that he is not above the rules. I think it is the NFLs best interest as well. Marshall is a rising star, why wait until he does something that requires a year long ban?