Holmes, Big Ben (1 Viewer)

[Kleck]

FYI, what he said was not harsh in the least IMO.

Certainly nothing worthy of starting a message board thread. Dude made a mistake. Probably regrets it now. He doesn't seem like a #######. I'm pretty confident he would have chosen to say nothing now that he sees the affect of his comment.

 

[jurb26]

FYI, what he said was not harsh in the least IMO.

Certainly nothing worthy of starting a message board thread. Dude made a mistake. Probably regrets it now. He doesn't seem like a #######. I'm pretty confident he would have chosen to say nothing now that he sees the affect of his comment.

What affect are you speaking of, the media spin? I'm sure he is used to that BS by now.

 

[Sea Bass]

FYI, what he said was not harsh in the least IMO.

Certainly nothing worthy of starting a message board thread. Dude made a mistake. Probably regrets it now. He doesn't seem like a #######. I'm pretty confident he would have chosen to say nothing now that he sees the affect of his comment.

What affect are you speaking of, the media spin? I'm sure he is used to that BS by now.

Dude, I'd hate to be in a foxhole with you. I'd be sold out at the first sign of enemy fire.

 

[jurb26]

FYI, what he said was not harsh in the least IMO.

Certainly nothing worthy of starting a message board thread. Dude made a mistake. Probably regrets it now. He doesn't seem like a #######. I'm pretty confident he would have chosen to say nothing now that he sees the affect of his comment.

What affect are you speaking of, the media spin? I'm sure he is used to that BS by now.

Dude, I'd hate to be in a foxhole with you. I'd be sold out at the first sign of enemy fire.

Yeah a few Sea fans are making a big deal about this meaningless quote... alert the press!

 

[Kleck]

What affect are you speaking of, the media spin? I'm sure he is used to that BS by now.

Quit being so obtuse. The first line in this thread is a bolded "Santonio Holmes has failed to call back Ben. Congrats. Holmes has done enough to make himself look like an idiot. Way to pile on his "teammate". Why is it so hard to admit that Roethlisberger should have just kept his mouth shut? Like I said, I don't think he did it intentionally, but regardless he did it.

 

[Sea Bass]

FYI, what he said was not harsh in the least IMO.

Certainly nothing worthy of starting a message board thread. Dude made a mistake. Probably regrets it now. He doesn't seem like a #######. I'm pretty confident he would have chosen to say nothing now that he sees the affect of his comment.

What affect are you speaking of, the media spin? I'm sure he is used to that BS by now.

Dude, I'd hate to be in a foxhole with you. I'd be sold out at the first sign of enemy fire.

Yeah a few Sea fans are making a big deal about this meaningless quote... alert the press!

Actually, I have reapeatedly said that this quote has been over-hyped. Just read the thread.

 

[jurb26]

What affect are you speaking of, the media spin? I'm sure he is used to that BS by now.

Quit being so obtuse. The first line in this thread is a bolded "Santonio Holmes has failed to call back Ben. Congrats. Holmes has done enough to make himself look like an idiot. Way to pile on his "teammate". Why is it so hard to admit that Roethlisberger should have just kept his mouth shut? Like I said, I don't think he did it intentionally, but regardless he did it.

Maybe because not everyone agrees that he should have kept his mouth shut. Imagin, differing opinions on an internet message board.

 

[Frenchy Fuqua]

Parcells does this type of thing all the time, shall we question his leadership too?

Anyone that attempts to communicate with another person through the media is being a ####. Glad we could clear that up.

As a Steelers fan I am glad to see Roethlisberger step up and take a leadership role. He could be moping about his recent life-threatening injuries but instead chose to call a rookie teammate and see if he could help him in a time of need. He was asked about it and gave an honest answer.You may remember Roethlisberger was on the other end of this a few years back:

Link

Ex-skeptic now hails Ben master

DETROIT - The reminders started coming three weeks ago. And now that the Steelers are in the Super Bowl, Alan Faneca can't escape the comments he made about Ben Roethlisberger when the quarterback was pressed into duty as a rookie last season.

"I can't really remember exactly what I said," said Faneca, an eighth-year veteran guard. "But everyone has told me what I said."

At the time, Faneca was asked how he felt about Roethlisberger, a raw rookie, taking over for an injured Tommy Maddox. "I'm not happy about it," he growled.

"Well how would you feel in that situation? Who wants a rookie at quarterback?" Faneca asked a couple of reporters during picture day at Ford Field yesterday.

So, how'd it work out?

"Obviously pretty good," Faneca said.

 

[Jon_Moore]

I believe it's mostly media hype.

Rift between franchise qb and first round pick beats the hell out of

"Pirates lose again."

 

[Hurons]

Where did Santonio go to college?

Typical

 

[AhrnCityPahnder]

Where did Santonio go to college?

Typical

good info here.

 

[jeter23]

This is how badly Santonio Holmes' welcome-to-Steelers-training-camp news conference went yesterday:

The kid essentially called Ben Roethlisberger a liar and it wasn't the worst part of the session.

The worst part was that Holmes showed absolutely no remorse for his two arrests in a three-week period late in the spring.

"I don't think I have anything to prove to anybody," he said, almost defiantly, his first public comments since the arrests. "People know what I can do on the field and they know the type of person I am off the field."

Actually, we don't.

We know Holmes was a special player at Ohio State. That's why the Steelers made him their No. 1 draft choice in April and signed him to a five-year, $8.11 million contract Friday, including a $5.42 million bonus. It's also why he could comfortably wear a red Buckeye Football T-shirt around the St. Vincent College campus yesterday with "Da Man" on the back.

But we don't know Holmes as a person. All we know is he was arrested on Memorial Day weekend in Miami on a disorderly conduct charge and again June 18 in Columbus, Ohio, on a domestic-abuse charge.

That's why it would have been nice if Holmes had pulled a Floyd Landis yesterday and asked us to wait to judge him until all the facts of his incidents are out. Remember, he hasn't been convicted of anything yet. It also would have been nice if he had said something like, maybe, "This isn't the way I wanted to start my career in Pittsburgh, but if you give me a chance, I'll prove to you the type of character I have."

But Holmes didn't do that.

He didn't even come close.

"I haven't gotten any negative feedback from one person since I've been in town the past month-and-a-half," Holmes said, leaving the impression he thinks it's perfectly normal for a guy to get arrested twice.

The whole scene was bizarre.

That's the only word to describe Holmes' response to a question about why he didn't return Roethlisberger's telephone calls after Big Ben reached out to him to show his support after his second arrest. "I called him a bunch of times and left a bunch of messages for him, and he never called me back, so I don't know how to take it," Roethlisberger told the Post-Gazette's Paul Zeise earlier this month. "The ball is in his court ..."

Responded Holmes: "I didn't get any calls from him."

Are you thinking what I'm thinking?

That Holmes and Roethlisberger really do need to talk?

Maybe there's a logical explanation there. Maybe Roethlisberger had the wrong number for Holmes. Or maybe Holmes had a bad cell phone day and never got the messages.

Maybe.

But, no matter the circumstances, Holmes' answer made Roethlisberger look bad. Call me crazy, but I just don't see the wisdom in a rookie wide receiver making his quarterback look bad. Holmes' timing seemed especially jarring because, just two hours earlier, Roethlisberger had stood on the practice field after the team's grueling conditioning run and gushed about how glad he was that Holmes made it to camp on time without contract problems and how eager he was to work with him.

It's unclear when Holmes and Roethlisberger will chat, but Bill Cowher had a sit-down planned with Holmes last night. Wouldn't you have loved to be a fly on the wall during that conversation? Presumably, Cowher made clear his displeasure with the negative attention Holmes brought the Steelers and gave him a little unsolicited advice about the responsibility that goes with being a professional athlete. For Holmes' sake, here's hoping he showed a little more humility with the boss.

Hey, it's tough to be too hard on the kid. Holmes is 22 and, as he put it, "a young guy stepping into a great deal of things ahead of me." It's also understandable why he was on the defensive when he met the local media for the first time under these circumstances. There weren't the usual queries that a No. 1 pick gets about how it feels to suddenly be a multi-millionaire or how soon he expects to contribute to the team. Virtually the first question for Holmes was about the possibility of him having to miss camp time because of an Aug. 15 court date in Columbus on the domestic-abuse charge. He shrugged it off and indicated he plans on being on the practice field on Aug. 15.

"All of that is behind me," Holmes said. "As far as I know from talking to my attorneys, there's nothing more that I have to do."

That was the good news to come out of the session.

The only good news, unfortunately.

Young, immature and nervous or not, it's still hard to get by Holmes' complete lack of contrition.

That's why you'll have to forgive me if I'm not willing to share in his joy when he said, "It feels good to be a Steeler."

At this point, I'm not ready to say I'm happy that Holmes is a Steeler.

And the two arrests are only a part of it.

 

[Sea Bass]

This is how badly Santonio Holmes' welcome-to-Steelers-training-camp news conference went yesterday:

The kid essentially called Ben Roethlisberger a liar and it wasn't the worst part of the session.

The worst part was that Holmes showed absolutely no remorse for his two arrests in a three-week period late in the spring.

"I don't think I have anything to prove to anybody," he said, almost defiantly, his first public comments since the arrests. "People know what I can do on the field and they know the type of person I am off the field."

Actually, we don't.

We know Holmes was a special player at Ohio State. That's why the Steelers made him their No. 1 draft choice in April and signed him to a five-year, $8.11 million contract Friday, including a $5.42 million bonus. It's also why he could comfortably wear a red Buckeye Football T-shirt around the St. Vincent College campus yesterday with "Da Man" on the back.

But we don't know Holmes as a person. All we know is he was arrested on Memorial Day weekend in Miami on a disorderly conduct charge and again June 18 in Columbus, Ohio, on a domestic-abuse charge.

That's why it would have been nice if Holmes had pulled a Floyd Landis yesterday and asked us to wait to judge him until all the facts of his incidents are out. Remember, he hasn't been convicted of anything yet. It also would have been nice if he had said something like, maybe, "This isn't the way I wanted to start my career in Pittsburgh, but if you give me a chance, I'll prove to you the type of character I have."

But Holmes didn't do that.

He didn't even come close.

"I haven't gotten any negative feedback from one person since I've been in town the past month-and-a-half," Holmes said, leaving the impression he thinks it's perfectly normal for a guy to get arrested twice.

The whole scene was bizarre.

That's the only word to describe Holmes' response to a question about why he didn't return Roethlisberger's telephone calls after Big Ben reached out to him to show his support after his second arrest. "I called him a bunch of times and left a bunch of messages for him, and he never called me back, so I don't know how to take it," Roethlisberger told the Post-Gazette's Paul Zeise earlier this month. "The ball is in his court ..."

Responded Holmes: "I didn't get any calls from him."

Are you thinking what I'm thinking?

That Holmes and Roethlisberger really do need to talk?

Maybe there's a logical explanation there. Maybe Roethlisberger had the wrong number for Holmes. Or maybe Holmes had a bad cell phone day and never got the messages.

Maybe.

But, no matter the circumstances, Holmes' answer made Roethlisberger look bad. Call me crazy, but I just don't see the wisdom in a rookie wide receiver making his quarterback look bad. Holmes' timing seemed especially jarring because, just two hours earlier, Roethlisberger had stood on the practice field after the team's grueling conditioning run and gushed about how glad he was that Holmes made it to camp on time without contract problems and how eager he was to work with him.

It's unclear when Holmes and Roethlisberger will chat, but Bill Cowher had a sit-down planned with Holmes last night. Wouldn't you have loved to be a fly on the wall during that conversation? Presumably, Cowher made clear his displeasure with the negative attention Holmes brought the Steelers and gave him a little unsolicited advice about the responsibility that goes with being a professional athlete. For Holmes' sake, here's hoping he showed a little more humility with the boss.

Hey, it's tough to be too hard on the kid. Holmes is 22 and, as he put it, "a young guy stepping into a great deal of things ahead of me." It's also understandable why he was on the defensive when he met the local media for the first time under these circumstances. There weren't the usual queries that a No. 1 pick gets about how it feels to suddenly be a multi-millionaire or how soon he expects to contribute to the team. Virtually the first question for Holmes was about the possibility of him having to miss camp time because of an Aug. 15 court date in Columbus on the domestic-abuse charge. He shrugged it off and indicated he plans on being on the practice field on Aug. 15.

"All of that is behind me," Holmes said. "As far as I know from talking to my attorneys, there's nothing more that I have to do."

That was the good news to come out of the session.

The only good news, unfortunately.

Young, immature and nervous or not, it's still hard to get by Holmes' complete lack of contrition.

That's why you'll have to forgive me if I'm not willing to share in his joy when he said, "It feels good to be a Steeler."

At this point, I'm not ready to say I'm happy that Holmes is a Steeler.

And the two arrests are only a part of it.

Did you write this article, or is it a link?

 

[3C's]

This is how badly Santonio Holmes' welcome-to-Steelers-training-camp news conference went yesterday:

The kid essentially called Ben Roethlisberger a liar and it wasn't the worst part of the session.

The worst part was that Holmes showed absolutely no remorse for his two arrests in a three-week period late in the spring.

"I don't think I have anything to prove to anybody," he said, almost defiantly, his first public comments since the arrests. "People know what I can do on the field and they know the type of person I am off the field."

Actually, we don't.

We know Holmes was a special player at Ohio State. That's why the Steelers made him their No. 1 draft choice in April and signed him to a five-year, $8.11 million contract Friday, including a $5.42 million bonus. It's also why he could comfortably wear a red Buckeye Football T-shirt around the St. Vincent College campus yesterday with "Da Man" on the back.

But we don't know Holmes as a person. All we know is he was arrested on Memorial Day weekend in Miami on a disorderly conduct charge and again June 18 in Columbus, Ohio, on a domestic-abuse charge.

That's why it would have been nice if Holmes had pulled a Floyd Landis yesterday and asked us to wait to judge him until all the facts of his incidents are out. Remember, he hasn't been convicted of anything yet. It also would have been nice if he had said something like, maybe, "This isn't the way I wanted to start my career in Pittsburgh, but if you give me a chance, I'll prove to you the type of character I have."

But Holmes didn't do that.

He didn't even come close.

"I haven't gotten any negative feedback from one person since I've been in town the past month-and-a-half," Holmes said, leaving the impression he thinks it's perfectly normal for a guy to get arrested twice.

The whole scene was bizarre.

That's the only word to describe Holmes' response to a question about why he didn't return Roethlisberger's telephone calls after Big Ben reached out to him to show his support after his second arrest. "I called him a bunch of times and left a bunch of messages for him, and he never called me back, so I don't know how to take it," Roethlisberger told the Post-Gazette's Paul Zeise earlier this month. "The ball is in his court ..."

Responded Holmes: "I didn't get any calls from him."

Are you thinking what I'm thinking?

That Holmes and Roethlisberger really do need to talk?

Maybe there's a logical explanation there. Maybe Roethlisberger had the wrong number for Holmes. Or maybe Holmes had a bad cell phone day and never got the messages.

Maybe.

But, no matter the circumstances, Holmes' answer made Roethlisberger look bad. Call me crazy, but I just don't see the wisdom in a rookie wide receiver making his quarterback look bad. Holmes' timing seemed especially jarring because, just two hours earlier, Roethlisberger had stood on the practice field after the team's grueling conditioning run and gushed about how glad he was that Holmes made it to camp on time without contract problems and how eager he was to work with him.

It's unclear when Holmes and Roethlisberger will chat, but Bill Cowher had a sit-down planned with Holmes last night. Wouldn't you have loved to be a fly on the wall during that conversation? Presumably, Cowher made clear his displeasure with the negative attention Holmes brought the Steelers and gave him a little unsolicited advice about the responsibility that goes with being a professional athlete. For Holmes' sake, here's hoping he showed a little more humility with the boss.

Hey, it's tough to be too hard on the kid. Holmes is 22 and, as he put it, "a young guy stepping into a great deal of things ahead of me." It's also understandable why he was on the defensive when he met the local media for the first time under these circumstances. There weren't the usual queries that a No. 1 pick gets about how it feels to suddenly be a multi-millionaire or how soon he expects to contribute to the team. Virtually the first question for Holmes was about the possibility of him having to miss camp time because of an Aug. 15 court date in Columbus on the domestic-abuse charge. He shrugged it off and indicated he plans on being on the practice field on Aug. 15.

"All of that is behind me," Holmes said. "As far as I know from talking to my attorneys, there's nothing more that I have to do."

That was the good news to come out of the session.

The only good news, unfortunately.

Young, immature and nervous or not, it's still hard to get by Holmes' complete lack of contrition.

That's why you'll have to forgive me if I'm not willing to share in his joy when he said, "It feels good to be a Steeler."

At this point, I'm not ready to say I'm happy that Holmes is a Steeler.

And the two arrests are only a part of it.

Did you write this article, or is it a link?

link

 

[chris1969]

This is how badly Santonio Holmes' welcome-to-Steelers-training-camp news conference went yesterday:

The kid essentially called Ben Roethlisberger a liar and it wasn't the worst part of the session.

The worst part was that Holmes showed absolutely no remorse for his two arrests in a three-week period late in the spring.

"I don't think I have anything to prove to anybody," he said, almost defiantly, his first public comments since the arrests. "People know what I can do on the field and they know the type of person I am off the field."

Actually, we don't.

We know Holmes was a special player at Ohio State. That's why the Steelers made him their No. 1 draft choice in April and signed him to a five-year, $8.11 million contract Friday, including a $5.42 million bonus. It's also why he could comfortably wear a red Buckeye Football T-shirt around the St. Vincent College campus yesterday with "Da Man" on the back.

But we don't know Holmes as a person. All we know is he was arrested on Memorial Day weekend in Miami on a disorderly conduct charge and again June 18 in Columbus, Ohio, on a domestic-abuse charge.

That's why it would have been nice if Holmes had pulled a Floyd Landis yesterday and asked us to wait to judge him until all the facts of his incidents are out. Remember, he hasn't been convicted of anything yet. It also would have been nice if he had said something like, maybe, "This isn't the way I wanted to start my career in Pittsburgh, but if you give me a chance, I'll prove to you the type of character I have."

But Holmes didn't do that.

He didn't even come close.

"I haven't gotten any negative feedback from one person since I've been in town the past month-and-a-half," Holmes said, leaving the impression he thinks it's perfectly normal for a guy to get arrested twice.

The whole scene was bizarre.

That's the only word to describe Holmes' response to a question about why he didn't return Roethlisberger's telephone calls after Big Ben reached out to him to show his support after his second arrest. "I called him a bunch of times and left a bunch of messages for him, and he never called me back, so I don't know how to take it," Roethlisberger told the Post-Gazette's Paul Zeise earlier this month. "The ball is in his court ..."

Responded Holmes: "I didn't get any calls from him."

Are you thinking what I'm thinking?

That Holmes and Roethlisberger really do need to talk?

Maybe there's a logical explanation there. Maybe Roethlisberger had the wrong number for Holmes. Or maybe Holmes had a bad cell phone day and never got the messages.

Maybe.

But, no matter the circumstances, Holmes' answer made Roethlisberger look bad. Call me crazy, but I just don't see the wisdom in a rookie wide receiver making his quarterback look bad. Holmes' timing seemed especially jarring because, just two hours earlier, Roethlisberger had stood on the practice field after the team's grueling conditioning run and gushed about how glad he was that Holmes made it to camp on time without contract problems and how eager he was to work with him.

It's unclear when Holmes and Roethlisberger will chat, but Bill Cowher had a sit-down planned with Holmes last night. Wouldn't you have loved to be a fly on the wall during that conversation? Presumably, Cowher made clear his displeasure with the negative attention Holmes brought the Steelers and gave him a little unsolicited advice about the responsibility that goes with being a professional athlete. For Holmes' sake, here's hoping he showed a little more humility with the boss.

Hey, it's tough to be too hard on the kid. Holmes is 22 and, as he put it, "a young guy stepping into a great deal of things ahead of me." It's also understandable why he was on the defensive when he met the local media for the first time under these circumstances. There weren't the usual queries that a No. 1 pick gets about how it feels to suddenly be a multi-millionaire or how soon he expects to contribute to the team. Virtually the first question for Holmes was about the possibility of him having to miss camp time because of an Aug. 15 court date in Columbus on the domestic-abuse charge. He shrugged it off and indicated he plans on being on the practice field on Aug. 15.

"All of that is behind me," Holmes said. "As far as I know from talking to my attorneys, there's nothing more that I have to do."

That was the good news to come out of the session.

The only good news, unfortunately.

Young, immature and nervous or not, it's still hard to get by Holmes' complete lack of contrition.

That's why you'll have to forgive me if I'm not willing to share in his joy when he said, "It feels good to be a Steeler."

At this point, I'm not ready to say I'm happy that Holmes is a Steeler.

And the two arrests are only a part of it.

Did you write this article, or is it a link?

link

I read the above article too and was about to post it.Holmes reminds me alot of another OSU wide reciever Glenn.

Pittsburgh should trade him to Dallas now for whatever they can get for him. Parcells will be the only one that's able to straighten him up.

 

[The Jerk]

Holmes reminds me alot of another OSU wide reciever Glenn.

Pittsburgh should trade him to Dallas now for whatever they can get for him. Parcells will be the only one that's able to straighten him up.

You mean, the way Parcells straightened Antonio Bryant out?I don't see any way you or anyone else can predict that Holmes will or will not be a good fit with the Steelers. Cowher is not exactly a rookie and he certainly is not shy about letting players know how he feels about their choices off the field.

I think Holmes is seriously immature, possibly arrogant and definitely inexperienced with the media and PR. In other words, he's a lot like many 22-year old college graduates. The differences are that he's got an $8+ million contract, three kids and has been charged with domestic assault. Unfortunately, even this trio is also not nearly as rare as it should be in the NFL. It's not something to completely dismiss, but it's also too early to write him off as a Steeler.

 

[chris1969]

Holmes reminds me alot of another OSU wide reciever Glenn.

Pittsburgh should trade him to Dallas now for whatever they can get for him. Parcells will be the only one that's able to straighten him up.

You mean, the way Parcells straightened Antonio Bryant out?I don't see any way you or anyone else can predict that Holmes will or will not be a good fit with the Steelers. Cowher is not exactly a rookie and he certainly is not shy about letting players know how he feels about their choices off the field.

I think Holmes is seriously immature, possibly arrogant and definitely inexperienced with the media and PR. In other words, he's a lot like many 22-year old college graduates. The differences are that he's got an $8+ million contract, three kids and has been charged with domestic assault. Unfortunately, even this trio is also not nearly as rare as it should be in the NFL. It's not something to completely dismiss, but it's also too early to write him off as a Steeler.

Do you mean the way he handled things last year when Ben said he likes to ride his bike without a helmet?

 

[The Jerk]

Holmes reminds me alot of another OSU wide reciever Glenn.

Pittsburgh should trade him to Dallas now for whatever they can get for him. Parcells will be the only one that's able to straighten him up.

You mean, the way Parcells straightened Antonio Bryant out?I don't see any way you or anyone else can predict that Holmes will or will not be a good fit with the Steelers. Cowher is not exactly a rookie and he certainly is not shy about letting players know how he feels about their choices off the field.

I think Holmes is seriously immature, possibly arrogant and definitely inexperienced with the media and PR. In other words, he's a lot like many 22-year old college graduates. The differences are that he's got an $8+ million contract, three kids and has been charged with domestic assault. Unfortunately, even this trio is also not nearly as rare as it should be in the NFL. It's not something to completely dismiss, but it's also too early to write him off as a Steeler.

Do you mean the way he handled things last year when Ben said he likes to ride his bike without a helmet?

If you don't like Cowher or the Steelers, that's fine, but if you seriously think he cannot handle players on his team, you're not even trying to be objective. Please, don't stop with Ben's crash, add in Joey Porter's bullet, Hines Ward's holdout, and any other tangential anecdotes you like. Oh, and I've heard Cowher lets his wife and daughters run the remote control.

 

[chris1969]

Holmes reminds me alot of another OSU wide reciever Glenn.

Pittsburgh should trade him to Dallas now for whatever they can get for him. Parcells will be the only one that's able to straighten him up.

You mean, the way Parcells straightened Antonio Bryant out?I don't see any way you or anyone else can predict that Holmes will or will not be a good fit with the Steelers. Cowher is not exactly a rookie and he certainly is not shy about letting players know how he feels about their choices off the field.

I think Holmes is seriously immature, possibly arrogant and definitely inexperienced with the media and PR. In other words, he's a lot like many 22-year old college graduates. The differences are that he's got an $8+ million contract, three kids and has been charged with domestic assault. Unfortunately, even this trio is also not nearly as rare as it should be in the NFL. It's not something to completely dismiss, but it's also too early to write him off as a Steeler.

Do you mean the way he handled things last year when Ben said he likes to ride his bike without a helmet?

If you don't like Cowher or the Steelers, that's fine, but if you seriously think he cannot handle players on his team, you're not even trying to be objective. Please, don't stop with Ben's crash, add in Joey Porter's bullet, Hines Ward's holdout, and any other tangential anecdotes you like. Oh, and I've heard Cowher lets his wife and daughters run the remote control.

LOL, I actually like Cowher, but I'm a little worried about that remote thing.What I'm saying is I have yet to hear anything from the Steelers that suggests not this is not acceptable. Parcells would have already insulted his mother and made him wear a dress in training camp by now.

 

[The Jerk]

LOL, I actually like Cowher, but I'm a little worried about that remote thing.

What I'm saying is I have yet to hear anything from the Steelers that suggests not this is not acceptable. Parcells would have already insulted his mother and made him wear a dress in training camp by now.

Chris,Cowher is a much more private person and much less flamboyant in his coaching style, particularly with how he interacts with the media. Parcells appears to enjoy his press conferences much more than Cowher. Perhaps winning a SB will change Cowher's style to some extent, but I don't see that happening.

All this is a prelude to say that it isn't Cowher's style to have a public thrashing of any player, let alone a rookie. I would love to see and hear what his interactions have been with Holmes the last couple of days, but if past form holds, neither you nor I will read about it much in the media.

Parcells has much more rock star in him than Cowher, but keep in mind that Parcells has never won a SB without a certain Bill B. on his staff. I enjoy Parcells becuase he is entertaining (except for that awful hair color he's had recently), and he's clearly a good coach, but I believe he is overrated by the media and the typical fan.

 

[AhrnCityPahnder]

Here's vid of the press conference.

Holmes doesn't come off as bad as Cook paints him in that article, but he certainly could say a few things different to patch things up.

http://kdka.com/video/?id=18565@kdka.dayport.com

He just strikes me as immature and not very bright. If his legal problems are behind him and he comes out and performs well on the field as a team player, this will be ancient history in no time. If he keeps shoving his foot in his mouth and comes out and drops balls and make mistakes, the Steeler Nation will not suffer him lightly.

 

[wannabee]

Steelers | Cowher has a good talk with S. Holmes

Published Mon Jul 31 12:51:00 a.m. ET 2006

(KFFL) Ed Bouchette, of the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, reports Pittsburgh Steelers head coach Bill Cowher had his long-awaited conversation Saturday night, July 29, with rookie WR Santonio Holmes, not all of it about football. "We had a good talk," Cowher said yesterday. "He's got a lot of work to do but he's committed to getting caught up to where he will feel comfortable." Holmes attended practice Sunday, July 30. "I saw him make a couple good catches," Cowher said. "He looked fine."

 

[chris1969]

Steelers | Cowher has a good talk with S. Holmes

Published Mon Jul 31 12:51:00 a.m. ET 2006

(KFFL) Ed Bouchette, of the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, reports Pittsburgh Steelers head coach Bill Cowher had his long-awaited conversation Saturday night, July 29, with rookie WR Santonio Holmes, not all of it about football. "We had a good talk," Cowher said yesterday. "He's got a lot of work to do but he's committed to getting caught up to where he will feel comfortable." Holmes attended practice Sunday, July 30. "I saw him make a couple good catches," Cowher said. "He looked fine."

That's understandable, but consider this. Cowher had his talk with him on the 29th and he made those comments on the 30th. I'm all for handling things in house, but public statements by players need a public response by the team so it doesn't look like they are indifferent. Cowher could still have his private talk and tell Holmes to make a public apology if that's what he wants, but they need to do something.Let's say something else happens to another player, like Hines Ward gets into a minor scuffle in a bar. Immediately fans are gonna think of Holmes and start saying, yeah the Steelers are nothing but a bunch of thugs. You and I both know Ward is not a thug, but things tend to compound and before you know it, Cowher is out in front of the TV cameras like Marv Lewis, trying to prove that charactor is something that organization cares about.

 

[The Jerk]

Let's say something else happens to another player, like Hines Ward gets into a minor scuffle in a bar. Immediately fans are gonna think of Holmes and start saying, yeah the Steelers are nothing but a bunch of thugs. You and I both know Ward is not a thug, but things tend to compound and before you know it, Cowher is out in front of the TV cameras like Marv Lewis, trying to prove that charactor is something that organization cares about.

Chris,Show me your posts where you urge the Browns to address the shortcomings of William Green and Reuben Droughns -- or for that matter, fans throwing glass beer bottles onto the field -- before you continue with this sanctimonious "concern" about comparatively minor transgressions by your bitter rival's first round pick.

 

[wannabee]

Santonio Holmes (hamstring) returned to practice

Published Wed Aug 2 11:07:00 p.m. ET 2006

(Rotoworld) Santonio Holmes (hamstring) returned to practice Wednesday.

Impact: He didn't do it in style. Holmes dropped passes, muffed punts, and appears to have a long road in his quest to start as a rookie.

 

[Zaphod]

Santonio Holmes (hamstring) returned to practicePublished Wed Aug 2 11:07:00 p.m. ET 2006 (Rotoworld) Santonio Holmes (hamstring) returned to practice Wednesday.Impact: He didn't do it in style. Holmes dropped passes, muffed punts, and appears to have a long road in his quest to start as a rookie.

And this ultimately will be what is important. His ability (or inability) to pick up the offense and make any type of contribution to the team. Personally, I think it will be minimal this season.

 

[AhrnCityPahnder]

Charges against Holmes frmo his first arrest in Miami are dropped:

http://www.nfl.com/teams/story/PIT/9584109

MIAMI (Aug. 3, 2006) -- A charge of disorderly conduct against Pittsburgh Steelers rookie receiver Santonio Holmes was dropped.

Holmes, the team's first-round pick, was among hundreds of people arrested as part of a police crackdown on revelers who annually converge on Miami Beach during the Memorial Day weekend.

Prosecutors dismissed the charge against the Steelers' first-round draft pick, but he was ordered to donate $250 to the police officers assistance trust fund. The 22-year-old Holmes had pleaded not guilty to charges that he blocked traffic and refused to obey a police order to move.

He was not in court.

"Mr. Holmes is glad to get this matter behind him," said his attorney, John Thornton Jr.

Holmes led Ohio State in receiving last year with 53 catches for 977 yards and 11 touchdowns. He decided to skip his final season of collegiate eligibility to enter the NFL draft.

 

[wannabee]

Steelers | Whisenhunt sees a lot in S. Holmes

Published Wed Aug 9 12:58:00 a.m. ET 2006

(KFFL) Gerry Dulac, of the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, reports Pittsburgh Steelers offensive coordinator Ken Whisenhunt sees a lot of "natural things that are very exiting," in WR Santonio Holmes. Whisenhunt said, "You see explosion, good discipline in his routes. I think you can see that, regardless if they're making mistakes or not. We put him in some situations where he's had to make some decisions, and he's done a good job with that."

 

[chris1969]

Let's say something else happens to another player, like Hines Ward gets into a minor scuffle in a bar. Immediately fans are gonna think of Holmes and start saying, yeah the Steelers are nothing but a bunch of thugs. You and I both know Ward is not a thug, but things tend to compound and before you know it, Cowher is out in front of the TV cameras like Marv Lewis, trying to prove that character is something that organization cares about.

Chris,Show me your posts where you urge the Browns to address the shortcomings of William Green and Reuben Droughns -- or for that matter, fans throwing glass beer bottles onto the field -- before you continue with this sanctimonious "concern" about comparatively minor transgressions by your bitter rival's first round pick.

Well to tell you the truth I actually think Green is a thug but even Butch Davis addressed the problem when it happened. As far as Droughns goes he legally wasn't drunk he blew at the legal limit, but was prosecuted anyway. I'm not sure what happened with the domestic thing, the story I heard was that he simply wouldn't allow the girl to leave and to me that is thuggish enough, but both apologised to the media.If you notice when I joined FBG you'll see that I wasn't here when these events happened. But if they weren't addressed, I would have said the same thing. But if you think it sanctimonious of an Ohio State fan to admit that Holmes and Glenn were thugs, and no I didn't forget about Clarett too, then so be it. I will say that OSU handled things the way then the Steelers are now if that makes you feel any better.