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House of the dragon. Game on! (5 Viewers)

I read the scene as Rhaenrys being an old warrior who knew who her time had come and threw all in on an off chance of ending this war right now even though death was a high probability. Her look of resignation was apt for the occasion.
Okay, fair, but the bold then is still where I have a gripe with the writers as the scene itself didn't give me the impression of the bold at all. Again, she accomplished some significant success and had at least one to arguably two chances to bail. That's a win and you head back to live to fight another day even as an old warrior because that's still what's best for your side. I just don't believe an "old warrior" dies for almost selfish reasons simply because she felt it her time.

Now, if she was severely wounded or she needed to sacrifice herself to let the black army get away without being entirely demolished or something, then the bold makes sense. But that wasn't how the scene was written.

I don't think she was severely wounded but it looked to me as though her dragon may have been severely wounded before the final attack. Maybe she knew her dragon couldn't recover from the battle and decided that the best course of action was to try to take out Aemond while she still had a chance.
 
I don’t want to get into book stuff but…….in the books Meraxes is a fair match for Vhagar 1 on 1. It wouldn’t have been a suicide mission. It took both Vhagar and Aegon’s dragon together to bring her down.
Was she on a different dragon for the show? That’s really odd.
I think he may have combined a couple dragons there.
Well, no, I listened to part of the "Talk the Thrones" podcast where they discussed how the dragon fight happened in the book and apparently, in the book, it was a much closer battle and Aemond was more of incidental damage (something about all three dragons plummeting to the ground while fighting).

ETA: Oh, yeah, he used the wrong name for Meleys. But I think the point remains that it was a much fairer fight than the show depicted.
 
I don’t want to get into book stuff but…….in the books Meraxes is a fair match for Vhagar 1 on 1. It wouldn’t have been a suicide mission. It took both Vhagar and Aegon’s dragon together to bring her down.
Was she on a different dragon for the show? That’s really odd.
I think he may have combined a couple dragons there.
Well, no, I listened to part of the "Talk the Thrones" podcast where they discussed how the dragon fight happened in the book and apparently, in the book, it was a much closer battle and Aemond was more of incidental damage (something about all three dragons plummeting to the ground while fighting).

ETA: Oh, yeah, he used the wrong name for Meleys. But I think the point remains that it was a much fairer fight than the show depicted.
Ok. I don't know that we've been introduced to Meraxes in the show? ... It doesn't exist in this timeline.
 
Big Dragon pretty OP....and now Black's biggest dragon is dead. Things aint looking so hot for that side.

edit: although I guess a couple of the unclaimed dragons are pretty sizable. So maybe that's how this thing doesn't end in a total rout.
Was it really that op. She was stupid not getting higher when looking for it after it was injured. Speaking of which how did the big dragon hide below her unseen?
One of my complaints above. She went from being confident and smart to just basically turning it into a suicide without thinking.
I mean, they’re riding dragons into battle. Probability of death is pretty high.

I’ll agree that it seemed like she could have escaped twice. But, it’s war. If she could take out Vhagar they win.
I definitely get why she did it and I assumed this is the story line of when she dies. No qualms with that just think the writing was a bit lazy. I feel like Vhagar was hiding on Star Destroyer like the Millennium Falcon and Chewy fixed the hyperdrive right before it attacked at 10x speed.
I'd have to watch it again. Vhagar's angle of attack wasn't something that bothered me at the time. We knew it was coming as soon as Rhaenys turned around.
Oh, it was clearly telegraphed and I don’t recall there being a cliff or anything right there. With his slow speed and huge size it seems like a stretch that Vhagar could surprise with speed during a battle but even then it just makes Rhaenys look dumb. The one thing she had was a ton of experience.

It was a quick death with very little fighting so CGI cost was kept down but it made Rhaenys blow her one big advantage, speed of attack. That’s why I think it would have worked better if Vhagar took out both other dragons in one shot or at least Aegon first and then Rhaenys right after. It’s one thing to know you could easily die by challenging Vhagar and another to make a dumb move to ensure you can’t win.
We saw the cliff when Princess flew in earlier in the scene, as it turns out she was wary of being attacked from above as she was low to the ground and was preoccupied to notice vhagar come from below.
Gotcha. Still a really dumb move on her part to basically fly into an area where she could be surprised, really maybe the only area. Heck, Aemond would have had to guess perfectly where she’d fly over.
Yeah terrible strategy at the end. She should have gotten high enough to see over the keep. No way she misses that huge dragon waiting.
 
I read the scene as Rhaenrys being an old warrior who knew who her time had come and threw all in on an off chance of ending this war right now even though death was a high probability. Her look of resignation was apt for the occasion. She was leaving it all on the field.
Kinda how I watched it. Plus, she would have left the castle army with zero hope, they would have been decimated. Bad look for team black to just abandon their allies and leave them for slaughter.
Yeah funny part is her dragon landed on the castle destroying part on the wall allowing Coles army to breach the castle.
 
Big Dragon pretty OP....and now Black's biggest dragon is dead. Things aint looking so hot for that side.

edit: although I guess a couple of the unclaimed dragons are pretty sizable. So maybe that's how this thing doesn't end in a total rout.
Was it really that op. She was stupid not getting higher when looking for it after it was injured. Speaking of which how did the big dragon hide below her unseen?
One of my complaints above. She went from being confident and smart to just basically turning it into a suicide without thinking.
I mean, they’re riding dragons into battle. Probability of death is pretty high.

I’ll agree that it seemed like she could have escaped twice. But, it’s war. If she could take out Vhagar they win.
I definitely get why she did it and I assumed this is the story line of when she dies. No qualms with that just think the writing was a bit lazy. I feel like Vhagar was hiding on Star Destroyer like the Millennium Falcon and Chewy fixed the hyperdrive right before it attacked at 10x speed.
I'd have to watch it again. Vhagar's angle of attack wasn't something that bothered me at the time. We knew it was coming as soon as Rhaenys turned around.
Oh, it was clearly telegraphed and I don’t recall there being a cliff or anything right there. With his slow speed and huge size it seems like a stretch that Vhagar could surprise with speed during a battle but even then it just makes Rhaenys look dumb. The one thing she had was a ton of experience.

It was a quick death with very little fighting so CGI cost was kept down but it made Rhaenys blow her one big advantage, speed of attack. That’s why I think it would have worked better if Vhagar took out both other dragons in one shot or at least Aegon first and then Rhaenys right after. It’s one thing to know you could easily die by challenging Vhagar and another to make a dumb move to ensure you can’t win.
We saw the cliff when Princess flew in earlier in the scene, as it turns out she was wary of being attacked from above as she was low to the ground and was preoccupied to notice vhagar come from below.
Gotcha. Still a really dumb move on her part to basically fly into an area where she could be surprised, really maybe the only area. Heck, Aemond would have had to guess perfectly where she’d fly over.
Yeah terrible strategy at the end. She should have gotten high enough to see over the keep. No way she misses that huge dragon waiting.
That’s where I worry about whether this show will be like the end of GOT or the start. I don’t care that she and her dragon died, that’s the story, just don’t make it lazy where the biggest and slowest dragon can make the fastest surprise attack because the other rider was dumb. Luke getting mauled by Vhagar was fine because it was in the bad weather clouds where a surprise attack is easy and Vhagar can get up to speed before attacking.

Still entertaining and still watching the whole series just hoping every story/scene is tighter.
 
I sadly think I need to re-watch at least the end of season 1. I have zero clue what is going on now...
Yeah you need to rewatch then because this season picks up right where where season one left off.

I mean, if it helps though here is the gist: Before King Visaerys was on his deathbed, he publicly pronounced Rhaynera as the future Queen/leader. However, on his deathbed, he talked about the prince who was promised and Alicent (his then wife) mistakenly took that to mean he wanted their son Aegon (the now whiny blonde king in season two) to be king. Hijinks ensues with now two camps believing they have a strong claim to the throne, with the Alicent/Aegon/Hightower camp (known the "Greens") immediately taking over the throne with a show of force. Rhaenyra and her crew - Deamon, Corliss and his wife Rhanees, Rhaneary's prince children, etc. - flee to Dragonstone. Things escalate when Aemond (Alicent's other son, the king's brother) kills one of Rhanenyra's sons. This is after Rhanys crashed the Greens' coronation party with her dragon but didn't take out any meaningful members of the Greens so the family killing was a big deal. The "realm" is now on the brink of war between the Greens (Hightowers - in control of King's landing and some dragons) and the Blacks (the Targaryans - ousted to Dragonstone but with a decent stable of dragons).

Season two start primarily with both sides trying to gather up allies and troops while Alicent and Rhanyra kind of try to work it out but realize it's way beyond their control as characters like Aemond, Aegon, Cristin Cole, Daemon, etc. all just want war.
 
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The "dance of the dragons" scenes were top notch. Can't wait for Aemond to have his Joffrey moment.
I mean, he did already kill his own king brother...

ETA: Though I do suppose there was some understandable motive and utility there as opposed to just killing innocent prostitutes for the sport of it.
 
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So did Aemond intentionally BBQ the king? Was unclear to me from how it was presented in the show.
My take was that he was annoyed with Aegon for showing up, was basically at his wits end with him, and he killed him due to his indifference to not killing him when he was engaged in fighting with Rhaenys.

ETA: According to the Talk the Thrones podcast, whether he intended to kill his brother or just had a wanton indifference to whether his brother dies was intentionally left vague/ambiguous.
 
So did Aemond intentionally BBQ the king? Was unclear to me from how it was presented in the show.
My take was that he was annoyed with Aegon for showing up, was basically at his wits end with him, and he killed him due to his indifference to not killing him when he was engaged in fighting with Rhaenys.

ETA: According to the Talk the Thrones podcast, whether he intended to kill his brother or just had a wanton indifference to whether his brother dies was intentionally left vague/ambiguous.
No question in my mind he killed him on purpose. Everything lined up to pull it off, dragons all bundled up together, casualty of war and whatnot. Pretty sure they even showed the moment of realization between Aemond & Aegon. Kinda like that moment of realization between Barnes & Elias and then further on between Barnes & Taylor in the movie Platoon.
 
So did Aemond intentionally BBQ the king? Was unclear to me from how it was presented in the show.
My take was that he was annoyed with Aegon for showing up, was basically at his wits end with him, and he killed him due to his indifference to not killing him when he was engaged in fighting with Rhaenys.

ETA: According to the Talk the Thrones podcast, whether he intended to kill his brother or just had a wanton indifference to whether his brother dies was intentionally left vague/ambiguous.
No question in my mind he killed him on purpose. Everything lined up to pull it off, dragons all bundled up together, casualty of war and whatnot. Pretty sure they even showed the moment of realization between Aemond & Aegon. Kinda like that moment of realization between Barnes & Elias and then further on between Barnes & Taylor in the movie Platoon.
I tend to agree but felt weird. Aegon wasn’t supposed to be there. I would rather he be killed with more calculation.

Let this be a lesson for us all, don’t kink shame your brother.
 
I appreciate a "character" building episode as much as the next guy....but this one felt sloppy and excessively boring.
Yeah I have asleep about halfway through. I then listened to the "Talk the Thrones" recap this morning while getting ready for work, and I don't think I'm going to go back to watch the end of the episode.

I did like the small council scene though where Alicent gets passed over. Thought the acting was good in that scene.
 
I appreciate a "character" building episode as much as the next guy....but this one felt sloppy and excessively boring.
Yeah I have asleep about halfway through. I then listened to the "Talk the Thrones" recap this morning while getting ready for work, and I don't think I'm going to go back to watch the end of the episode.

I did like the small council scene though where Alicent gets passed over. Thought the acting was good in that scene.
The only take away from the end of the episode was that Rhaenyra is going to search their lineage to find riders for their stockpile of dragons.
 
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Yeah even though there wasn't much action, some interesting stuff happened.

Rhaenyra coming to the realization thst she was totally unprepared to fight for her throne like this was pretty good. Her father may have wanted her to rule, but he did her a disservice by not raising her to do so. And it shows in her behavior. She backs down any time her council goes against her, meanwhile her son just flies off to negotiate without her permission.

And allicent realizing that nobody gave a damn about her opinion was pretty funny. She thinks she can manipulate Cole with teh sex and he's like "honey...there's dragon's burning down castles now....the grown folks are gonna take over from here"

Daemond is gonna go totally off the rails before the end of the season. No army to bring to the fight and that witch is manipulating his mind. At some point he's just gonna take caraxys and start burning it all down
 
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Yeah even though there wasn't much action, some interesting stuff happened.

Rhaenyra coming to the realization thst she was totally unprepared to fight for her throne like this was pretty good. Her father may have wanted her to rule, but he did her a disservice by not raising her to do so. And it shows in her behavior. She backs down any time her council goes against her, meanwhile her son just flies off to negotiate without her permission.

And allicent realizing that nobody gave a damn about her opinion was pretty funny. She thinks she can manipulate Cole with teh sex and he's like "honey...there's dragon's burning down castles now....the grown folks are gonna take over from here"

Daemond is gonna go totally off the rails before the end of the season. No army to bring to the fight and thst witch is manipulating his mind. At some point he's just gonna take caraxys and start burning it all down
Was kinda surprised Daemond didn't go all Fire and Blood on those whining lords.

I liked the episode. They've finally expanded the story and letting us meet more characters.
 
Was kinda surprised Daemond didn't go all Fire and Blood on those whining lords.
It would be nice to see him do something this season. Feel like he's just a throwaway at this point. the freaky LSD trip every episode is getting old.
I don't really get what they are doing here. As I understand, this whole Harrenhall thing so far is going differently than the book. It is like they are trying to tone down anything cool about him.
 
Was kinda surprised Daemond didn't go all Fire and Blood on those whining lords.
It would be nice to see him do something this season. Feel like he's just a throwaway at this point. the freaky LSD trip every episode is getting old.
I don't really get what they are doing here. As I understand, this whole Harrenhall thing so far is going differently than the book. It is like they are trying to tone down anything cool about him.
My hot take is that, after seasons one and two, the overwhelming audience sentiment favored the Blacks over the Greens. Rhanyra was very likeable and, despite Daemon's faults, he was also liked. So, since the apparent goal of the writers/story/show is to create a tragedy where neither side is the clear protagonist, they've had to focus more on the Greens this season and make Daemon less likeable.
 
Was kinda surprised Daemond didn't go all Fire and Blood on those whining lords.
It would be nice to see him do something this season. Feel like he's just a throwaway at this point. the freaky LSD trip every episode is getting old.
I don't really get what they are doing here. As I understand, this whole Harrenhall thing so far is going differently than the book. It is like they are trying to tone down anything cool about him.
My hot take is that, after seasons one and two, the overwhelming audience sentiment favored the Blacks over the Greens. Rhanyra was very likeable and, despite Daemon's faults, he was also liked. So, since the apparent goal of the writers/story/show is to create a tragedy where neither side is the clear protagonist, they've had to focus more on the Greens this season and make Daemon less likeable.
Seems like what they’re going after. It’s interesting given the amount of rewriting that happened for this season and that Daemond is one of GRRM’s favorite characters.
 
Yeah even though there wasn't much action, some interesting stuff happened.

Rhaenyra coming to the realization thst she was totally unprepared to fight for her throne like this was pretty good. Her father may have wanted her to rule, but he did her a disservice by not raising her to do so. And it shows in her behavior. She backs down any time her council goes against her, meanwhile her son just flies off to negotiate without her permission.

And allicent realizing that nobody gave a damn about her opinion was pretty funny. She thinks she can manipulate Cole with teh sex and he's like "honey...there's dragon's burning down castles now....the grown folks are gonna take over from here"

Daemond is gonna go totally off the rails before the end of the season. No army to bring to the fight and thst witch is manipulating his mind. At some point he's just gonna take caraxys and start burning it all down
Was kinda surprised Daemond didn't go all Fire and Blood on those whining lords.

I liked the episode. They've finally expanded the story and letting us meet more characters.

That was one of the better moments; him sitting there "I didn't realize they were that ready to die"
 
I don’t want to get into book stuff but…….in the books Meraxes is a fair match for Vhagar 1 on 1. It wouldn’t have been a suicide mission. It took both Vhagar and Aegon’s dragon together to bring her down.
Was she on a different dragon for the show? That’s really odd.
I think he may have combined a couple dragons there.
Well, no, I listened to part of the "Talk the Thrones" podcast where they discussed how the dragon fight happened in the book and apparently, in the book, it was a much closer battle and Aemond was more of incidental damage (something about all three dragons plummeting to the ground while fighting).

ETA: Oh, yeah, he used the wrong name for Meleys. But I think the point remains that it was a much fairer fight than the show depicted.
Ok. I don't know that we've been introduced to Meraxes in the show? ... It doesn't exist in this timeline.

Meraxes is dead. It was one of the dragons that came over with Aegon the Conquerer; ridden by one of his sisters.
 
Was kinda surprised Daemond didn't go all Fire and Blood on those whining lords.
It would be nice to see him do something this season. Feel like he's just a throwaway at this point. the freaky LSD trip every episode is getting old.
I don't really get what they are doing here. As I understand, this whole Harrenhall thing so far is going differently than the book. It is like they are trying to tone down anything cool about him.
Daemon is finding his conscience. He saw himself as Aemond because he realizes that Aemond is a monster; which was kind of proven right when he torched his brother. I've just thought the past few weeks his him realizing he needs to be loyal to one of the only people on the planet who geniuinely seemed to love him.
 
I don’t want to get into book stuff but…….in the books Meraxes is a fair match for Vhagar 1 on 1. It wouldn’t have been a suicide mission. It took both Vhagar and Aegon’s dragon together to bring her down.
Was she on a different dragon for the show? That’s really odd.
I think he may have combined a couple dragons there.
Well, no, I listened to part of the "Talk the Thrones" podcast where they discussed how the dragon fight happened in the book and apparently, in the book, it was a much closer battle and Aemond was more of incidental damage (something about all three dragons plummeting to the ground while fighting).

ETA: Oh, yeah, he used the wrong name for Meleys. But I think the point remains that it was a much fairer fight than the show depicted.
Ok. I don't know that we've been introduced to Meraxes in the show? ... It doesn't exist in this timeline.

Meraxes is dead. It was one of the dragons that came over with Aegon the Conquerer; ridden by one of his sisters.
Yes. I knew that but didn’t want to ruin anything for others.
 
I appreciate a "character" building episode as much as the next guy....but this one felt sloppy and excessively boring.
Yeah I have asleep about halfway through. I then listened to the "Talk the Thrones" recap this morning while getting ready for work, and I don't think I'm going to go back to watch the end of the episode.

I did like the small council scene though where Alicent gets passed over. Thought the acting was good in that scene.

Basically, Jace and Rheanyra realize that they have no answer for Vhagar and they can't wait around for Aemond to press his advantage or hope that Deamon comes to his senses. They have two dragons on dragonstone that can go head to head with Vhagar but they lack dragon riders. So they are going to scour their lineage for anyone who has Targaryen blood to try and get them to ride the two dragons.
 
I appreciate a "character" building episode as much as the next guy....but this one felt sloppy and excessively boring.
Yeah I have asleep about halfway through. I then listened to the "Talk the Thrones" recap this morning while getting ready for work, and I don't think I'm going to go back to watch the end of the episode.

I did like the small council scene though where Alicent gets passed over. Thought the acting was good in that scene.

Basically, Jace and Rheanyra realize that they have no answer for Vhagar and they can't wait around for Aemond to press his advantage or hope that Deamon comes to his senses. They have two dragons on dragonstone that can go head to head with Vhagar but they lack dragon riders. So they are going to scour their lineage for anyone who has Targaryen blood to try and get them to ride the two dragons.
This will be the "Jon Snow" of this era.
 
Was kinda surprised Daemond didn't go all Fire and Blood on those whining lords.
It would be nice to see him do something this season. Feel like he's just a throwaway at this point. the freaky LSD trip every episode is getting old.
I don't really get what they are doing here. As I understand, this whole Harrenhall thing so far is going differently than the book. It is like they are trying to tone down anything cool about him.
Daemon is finding his conscience. He saw himself as Aemond because he realizes that Aemond is a monster; which was kind of proven right when he torched his brother. I've just thought the past few weeks his him realizing he needs to be loyal to one of the only people on the planet who geniuinely seemed to love him.
Good theory, but not sure that is what they are doing.
 
I did like the small council scene though where Alicent gets passed over. Thought the acting was good in that scene.
that scene was amazing acting you could see her tearing apart inside it was well done taketh that to the banketh bromigos
 
Was kinda surprised Daemond didn't go all Fire and Blood on those whining lords.
It would be nice to see him do something this season. Feel like he's just a throwaway at this point. the freaky LSD trip every episode is getting old.
I don't really get what they are doing here. As I understand, this whole Harrenhall thing so far is going differently than the book. It is like they are trying to tone down anything cool about him.
Daemon is finding his conscience. He saw himself as Aemond because he realizes that Aemond is a monster; which was kind of proven right when he torched his brother. I've just thought the past few weeks his him realizing he needs to be loyal to one of the only people on the planet who geniuinely seemed to love him.
Good theory, but not sure that is what they are doing.

I don't see if there's any other way to give us a legit hero. They've set Aemond up as the "big bad" with Cole running a close second. Rhaenyra is dead. Rhaenyras isn't a fighter. Unless they're bringing in a character we haven't seen yet; Daemon has to take a legit heroes journey that starts with him realizing he's been a D-Bag to his family.
 
Was kinda surprised Daemond didn't go all Fire and Blood on those whining lords.
It would be nice to see him do something this season. Feel like he's just a throwaway at this point. the freaky LSD trip every episode is getting old.
I don't really get what they are doing here. As I understand, this whole Harrenhall thing so far is going differently than the book. It is like they are trying to tone down anything cool about him.
Daemon is finding his conscience. He saw himself as Aemond because he realizes that Aemond is a monster; which was kind of proven right when he torched his brother. I've just thought the past few weeks his him realizing he needs to be loyal to one of the only people on the planet who geniuinely seemed to love him.
Good theory, but not sure that is what they are doing.

I don't see if there's any other way to give us a legit hero. They've set Aemond up as the "big bad" with Cole running a close second. Rhaenyra is dead. Rhaenyras isn't a fighter. Unless they're bringing in a character we haven't seen yet; Daemon has to take a legit heroes journey that starts with him realizing he's been a D-Bag to his family.
So Daemond to you is like comparable to the Jamie Lannister arc?

I can't stand Daemond so if he's going to be the end "hero," this show has some work to do with that.
 

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