***Houston @ St. Louis*** Official Thread (1 Viewer)

[Football Jones]

Listen.Kubiak has said he would rotate his Rbs in these 1st 2 games so that they all could play and then compare them later. There is no depth chart yet. So don't read too much in to which Rb started.

I don't buy that there's no depth chart yet. Kubiak may not have decided for absolutely sure who his starter is going to be, but there are definitely clues as to who's #1 right now. Who takes 1st team reps in practice, etc. From what I can tell, that's Lundy at the moment (although, i'll admit it kinda comes down to who you believe).

 

[Jayded]

Morency TD off of a HUGE hole. He was blocking nicely on that drive as well, but looked average until that run.

The Texans' announcers are doting over his blocking abilities every play.

 

[Cleat Spike]

nice and what a pop More laid out on a RAM LB as he got the TD

This has to stop....you can't call the guy More? No way that catches on.....More? 3 extra letters, C'mon!

 

[Houston turmOiler]

Morency TD off of a HUGE hole. He was blocking nicely on that drive as well, but looked average until that run.The Texans' announcers are doting over his blocking abilities every play.

True, but he's done a much better job than Lundy in that dept. tonight. Morency's looked fantastic tonight...

 

[wannabee]

Listen.Kubiak has said he would rotate his Rbs in these 1st 2 games so that they all could play and then compare them later. There is no depth chart yet. So don't read too much in to which Rb started.

I don't buy that there's no depth chart yet. Kubiak may not have decided for absolutely sure who his starter is going to be, but there are definitely clues as to who's #1 right now. Who takes 1st team reps in practice, etc. From what I can tell, that's Lundy at the moment (although, i'll admit it kinda comes down to who you believe).

I do not think this is totally accurate either. Morency was injured last week. Up until then, he ran with the first string. When he was out, Lundy did. Now it is unknown

 

[Jayded]

Rams picking on Buchanon. 100% passes down the field. PI on Buchanon in the endzone. The Rams finally run it in from the 1.

 

[Football Jones]

Listen.Kubiak has said he would rotate his Rbs in these 1st 2 games so that they all could play and then compare them later. There is no depth chart yet. So don't read too much in to which Rb started.

I don't buy that there's no depth chart yet. Kubiak may not have decided for absolutely sure who his starter is going to be, but there are definitely clues as to who's #1 right now. Who takes 1st team reps in practice, etc. From what I can tell, that's Lundy at the moment (although, i'll admit it kinda comes down to who you believe).

I do not think this is totally accurate either. Morency was injured last week. Up until then, he ran with the first string. When he was out, Lundy did. Now it is unknown

That's what I meant when I said, "it kinda comes down to who you believe". In the last few days, I've heard Lundy, Morency, & Smith all mentioned as being atop the depth chart. I have no problem with somebody who says any of these guys are #1, LOL. I believe it's Lundy right now, but that certainly doesn't mean it'll stay that way. I like both young guys & believe Kubiak will have a tough decision. The depth chart could change very easily after the season starts, as well. Hard to say who ends up being the feature back (if there even is one this year).

 

[Houston turmOiler]

The RB situation is going to be fantasy headache all year IMO. I think Kubiak's going to use Lundy and Morency interchangeably and go with the hot hand each game. It won't really matter who the "starter" is. Both guys are doing a pretty good job overall (except for Lundy's pass blocking tonight). I've been very impressed with Morency tonight but I've also liked a lot of things I've seen from Lundy. Each appears hungry and willing to learn from what I've seen. Good for the football team, bad for fantasy owners...

BTW, avoid drafting David Carr. The guy is jittery and has no poise whatsoever. The offense might run a lot smoother if Sage was QB. He looks a lot more calm and composed when stands back there...

 

[Jayded]

End of the third. Morency looking stellar on this latest drive. He's running with a head of steam and made a great block on that last play to give Rosenfels time to hit Joppru for a long pass.

 

[Biabreakable]

Listen.Kubiak has said he would rotate his Rbs in these 1st 2 games so that they all could play and then compare them later. There is no depth chart yet. So don't read too much in to which Rb started.

I don't buy that there's no depth chart yet. Kubiak may not have decided for absolutely sure who his starter is going to be, but there are definitely clues as to who's #1 right now. Who takes 1st team reps in practice, etc. From what I can tell, that's Lundy at the moment (although, i'll admit it kinda comes down to who you believe).

I do not think this is totally accurate either. Morency was injured last week. Up until then, he ran with the first string. When he was out, Lundy did. Now it is unknown

They are just keeping the seat warm for DD imho anyways. Good to see the running game is working regardless of which Rb is playing is the main thing here. New Orleans and the Lambs are not great defenses though.

 

[CrossEyed]

Listen.Kubiak has said he would rotate his Rbs in these 1st 2 games so that they all could play and then compare them later. There is no depth chart yet. So don't read too much in to which Rb started.

I don't buy that there's no depth chart yet. Kubiak may not have decided for absolutely sure who his starter is going to be, but there are definitely clues as to who's #1 right now. Who takes 1st team reps in practice, etc. From what I can tell, that's Lundy at the moment (although, i'll admit it kinda comes down to who you believe).

I do not think this is totally accurate either. Morency was injured last week. Up until then, he ran with the first string. When he was out, Lundy did. Now it is unknown

That's what I meant when I said, "it kinda comes down to who you believe". In the last few days, I've heard Lundy, Morency, & Smith all mentioned as being atop the depth chart. I have no problem with somebody who says any of these guys are #1, LOL. I believe it's Lundy right now, but that certainly doesn't mean it'll stay that way. I like both young guys & believe Kubiak will have a tough decision. The depth chart could change very easily after the season starts, as well. Hard to say who ends up being the feature back (if there even is one this year).

As bad as the Houston o-line has been, Morency may get the nod due to his blocking.

 

[Houston turmOiler]

Yes, Morency looking very quick and powerful for his size. Gained about 8 yards and half the Rams team tried to rip the ball away from him without success...

 

[Houston turmOiler]

Sage beautifully thrown TD pass to Derrick Lewis...

 

[Houston turmOiler]

I would not be surprised to see Sage in there for Carr at some point this season. Carr looked awful the first two series against the first team. His numbers improved when the 2nd team came in and backed off him...

 

[Pantherz]

Geez just looked in on this one. Is zone blocking this good? Denver Jr in Houston? 18-135 @ 2 TDs combined. Wow!

 

[Bri]

just saw Joppru on NFLNetwork. Did he or Putzier start?

 

[wannabee]

also, let's remember that last week was against KC and this week was against StL.

 

[Jayded]

just saw Joppru on NFLNetwork. Did he or Putzier start?

Putz. But the only TE getting any looks in the Texans offense is Daniels and that's with Rosenfels in.

 

[Chris Smith]

Listen.Kubiak has said he would rotate his Rbs in these 1st 2 games so that they all could play and then compare them later. There is no depth chart yet. So don't read too much in to which Rb started.

I don't buy that there's no depth chart yet. Kubiak may not have decided for absolutely sure who his starter is going to be, but there are definitely clues as to who's #1 right now. Who takes 1st team reps in practice, etc. From what I can tell, that's Lundy at the moment (although, i'll admit it kinda comes down to who you believe).

I do not think this is totally accurate either. Morency was injured last week. Up until then, he ran with the first string. When he was out, Lundy did. Now it is unknown

That's what I meant when I said, "it kinda comes down to who you believe". In the last few days, I've heard Lundy, Morency, & Smith all mentioned as being atop the depth chart. I have no problem with somebody who says any of these guys are #1, LOL. I believe it's Lundy right now, but that certainly doesn't mean it'll stay that way. I like both young guys & believe Kubiak will have a tough decision. The depth chart could change very easily after the season starts, as well. Hard to say who ends up being the feature back (if there even is one this year).

As bad as the Houston o-line has been, Morency may get the nod due to his blocking.

Has the offensive line looked bad or has David Carr made poor reads and held onto the ball too long. What do you all think?

 

[RKMoney]

The RB situation is going to be fantasy headache all year IMO. I think Kubiak's going to use Lundy and Morency interchangeably and go with the hot hand each game. It won't really matter who the "starter" is. Both guys are doing a pretty good job overall (except for Lundy's pass blocking tonight). I've been very impressed with Morency tonight but I've also liked a lot of things I've seen from Lundy. Each appears hungry and willing to learn from what I've seen. Good for the football team, bad for fantasy owners...BTW, avoid drafting David Carr. The guy is jittery and has no poise whatsoever. The offense might run a lot smoother if Sage was QB. He looks a lot more calm and composed when stands back there...

It's pretty safe to say that avoiding ALL Texans' RB and definitely Carr is a smart play. The SMARTER way for the Texans to win is to rotate, rotate, and rotate their RB to keep them fresh. ANYONE who is banking on one RB to emerge as a fantasy force is kidding themselves at this point.Just like in Denver, RBBC should be a VERY SOLID way for the Texans this year.

 

[Jayded]

The line looks more solid than I've seen them be in a while. Carr is still taking too long to make a decision and by the time he does it looks like his window of opportunity has passed and his happy feet kick in.

 

[RKMoney]

After the first quarter, you pretty much have to take whatever happens with a grain of salt. MANY players aren't even going to start at that point. Any Texan fan though should be excited and hope that all three RB will contribute.

 

[RKMoney]

Listen.Kubiak has said he would rotate his Rbs in these 1st 2 games so that they all could play and then compare them later. There is no depth chart yet. So don't read too much in to which Rb started.

I don't buy that there's no depth chart yet. Kubiak may not have decided for absolutely sure who his starter is going to be, but there are definitely clues as to who's #1 right now. Who takes 1st team reps in practice, etc. From what I can tell, that's Lundy at the moment (although, i'll admit it kinda comes down to who you believe).

I do not think this is totally accurate either. Morency was injured last week. Up until then, he ran with the first string. When he was out, Lundy did. Now it is unknown

That's what I meant when I said, "it kinda comes down to who you believe". In the last few days, I've heard Lundy, Morency, & Smith all mentioned as being atop the depth chart. I have no problem with somebody who says any of these guys are #1, LOL. I believe it's Lundy right now, but that certainly doesn't mean it'll stay that way. I like both young guys & believe Kubiak will have a tough decision. The depth chart could change very easily after the season starts, as well. Hard to say who ends up being the feature back (if there even is one this year).

As bad as the Houston o-line has been, Morency may get the nod due to his blocking.

Has the offensive line looked bad or has David Carr made poor reads and held onto the ball too long. What do you all think?

Carr has not looked better than last year. I really never though resigning him was a smart move, I understood it but I think that's a loser move on their part.O-Line has looked improved but Carr has made some typical poor reads and definitely held on to the ball too long. He got rocked on the play where it was ruled a tuck.

 

[RKMoney]

recap from chron.com

Grading the Texans: Morency stars; Mario solid; Carr gets an earful from Kubiak

I'll be weeks breaking down the film, and frankly, I know how anxious you are for my insight. I may have my faults, but customer service isn't one of them. And anytime I can write a paragraph without mentioning Brad Lidge, Phil Garner or Uncle Drayton, it's a good day for me, too.

Before we get to the breakdowns, how about the way Gary Kubiak gets in David Carr's face? He has done it in practice, but doing it in practice and doing it during a game is a different deal.

Kubiak probably knows Carr wasn't corrected enough in his first three seasons, and he's simply not going to tolerate the same mistakes over and over. I don't know if Carr is ever going to be a first-rate NFL quarterback, but I'm guessing Kubiak is the right guy to get whatever is there talent-wise.

Let's go to the video:

• Quarterback: Carr got off to a shaky start, and got chewed out by Kubiak after each of the first two possessions. Worst of all, he seemed to flinch on a third-down throw under a heavy rush. He settled down, beginning with a 13-yard toss to RB Walli Lundy. He stepped up against the rush and made a nice throw. He hit Jeb Putzier for a 20-yard completion and seemed comfortable after that. He got nailed once on a blitz by Rams S Corey Chavous, but stayed in the game. He completed 10 of 17 passes for 99 yards, and when Kubiak breaks it all down, I'm guessing he'll give his quarterback higher grades than last week.

• Running backs: Vernand Morency and Walli Lundy averaged 5.8 yards per carrying running behind the No. 1 offensive line in the first half. Both looked good in stretches, but it was Morency who eventually took over the game. His 43-yard touchdown run in the second half was the highlight of the day for the Texans. He seemed more comfortable running behind the zone-blocking scheme than anytime last season. He can't play for Kubiak if he doesn't trust the blocking and the play. Last year, he had a tendency to dance too much at the line instead of following the play. He looked quick and sure of himself Saturday night.

• Phillip Buchanon: He's the most maligned player in Texans history and is running second team at CB. However, he returned consecutive punts for 32 and 33 yards in the second quarter. He also recovered a fumble while playing cornerback in the third. But he had two pass-interference penalties to set up two St. Louis touchdowns. If the Texans are counting on him at CB, they're in trouble.

• Mario Williams: He lives! He started at right defensive end, but moved up and down the line. He consistently drew double-team blocking. Despite that, we finally got a glimpse of what he can be in the second quarter when he had a tipped pass and a tackle behind the line of scrimmage on consecutive plays. It seems coaches are throwing a lot at him mentally to see how much he can handle. So far, he's not overwhelmed.

• Antwan Peek: His two sacks will go a long way toward getting him on the field, at least in passing situations. He wants to be an every-down player, but if Travis Johnson earns a starting job at DT (and that's far from a sure thing), Mario Williams and Anthony Weaver would be the starting ends. One or both would move inside on passing downs, leaving Peek to be a third-down specialist. The Texans haven't had these kinds of depth issues in the past.

 

[wannabee]

thanks for the posting

 

[Chitown Mole]

Morency was everything I told you guys he was...that little espn football L1 juke move on that defender on the pass to the flat before halftime had the crowd ooooohhhhhing and aaaahhhhing.

 

[cr8f]

Morency was everything I told you guys he was...that little espn football L1 juke move on that defender on the pass to the flat before halftime had the crowd ooooohhhhhing and aaaahhhhing.

Against 3rd string defenders.

 

[lod2005]

Listen.Kubiak has said he would rotate his Rbs in these 1st 2 games so that they all could play and then compare them later. There is no depth chart yet. So don't read too much in to which Rb started.

I don't buy that there's no depth chart yet. Kubiak may not have decided for absolutely sure who his starter is going to be, but there are definitely clues as to who's #1 right now. Who takes 1st team reps in practice, etc. From what I can tell, that's Lundy at the moment (although, i'll admit it kinda comes down to who you believe).

I do not think this is totally accurate either. Morency was injured last week. Up until then, he ran with the first string. When he was out, Lundy did. Now it is unknown

That's what I meant when I said, "it kinda comes down to who you believe". In the last few days, I've heard Lundy, Morency, & Smith all mentioned as being atop the depth chart. I have no problem with somebody who says any of these guys are #1, LOL. I believe it's Lundy right now, but that certainly doesn't mean it'll stay that way. I like both young guys & believe Kubiak will have a tough decision. The depth chart could change very easily after the season starts, as well. Hard to say who ends up being the feature back (if there even is one this year).

As bad as the Houston o-line has been, Morency may get the nod due to his blocking.

Has the offensive line looked bad or has David Carr made poor reads and held onto the ball too long. What do you all think?

I think carr sucks and always has.

 

[King of the Jungle]

David Carr will be "Joey Harrington'ed" next year. Andre Johnson is good, but should only be drafted as a #3 FF WR this year based on Carr not maturing as a QB.

 

[Houston turmOiler]

David Carr will be "Joey Harrington'ed" next year. Andre Johnson is good, but should only be drafted as a #3 FF WR this year based on Carr not maturing as a QB.

Yes, Carr looks terrible to me (and I don't even know what the stats say). He makes bad reads and really looks jittery out there. He has no poise at all and no feel for how to move around in the pocket. Then you see the guy over on the sideline laughing like he doesn't have a worry in the world, even though he totally sucked the two series before that. I absolutely hate this guy, had him in my top 15 before the season b/c I thought he'd really progress under Kubiak. He's undraftable to me now (hey, it's bad enough I've had to watch this guy on my favorite team all these years, I'm not going to let him kill my fantasy team too). It's finally clear to me that he's got all the measurables, but no intangibles. Rosenfels looks extremely calm when he goes out there, like he's in control and in sync with the entire offense. I think he might make the offense better overall at some point this season just because he's showing us something Carr doesn't: POISE. Carr will be exposed this season as the fraud he really is, and people will quit blaming the coaching staff/OL/ short hair/long hair and whatever else they can think of. I already have. The guy is a lousy QB and will never win anything.SIDE NOTE: I generally try to be very objective when posting, so I apologize for this particular rant. I really do think David Carr sucks, but my blind hatred for this pretty boy fraud may be clouding my judgment. Feel free to let me know if this guy ever becomes a legitimate NFL QB, and I'll admit the error of my ways........... Sadly, I'm not too worried about that happening...

 

[lod2005]

David Carr will be "Joey Harrington'ed" next year. Andre Johnson is good, but should only be drafted as a #3 FF WR this year based on Carr not maturing as a QB.

SIDE NOTE: I generally try to be very objective when posting, so I apologize for this particular rant. I really do think David Carr sucks, but my blind hatred for this pretty boy fraud may be clouding my judgment. Feel free to let me know if this guy ever becomes a legitimate NFL QB, and I'll admit the error of my ways........... Sadly, I'm not too worried about that happening...

I can say with 100% certainty that you will not have to worry about that...EVER.

 

[Bob_Magaw]

Morency was everything I told you guys he was...that little espn football L1 juke move on that defender on the pass to the flat before halftime had the crowd ooooohhhhhing and aaaahhhhing.

Against 3rd string defenders.

Running behind 3rd string blockers. Not only is this as dumb to say as, "if you take out that one big run ....." His first drive that ended in a TD was vs. the first team defense w/ the first team offense. His second TD .... the 43 yard TD run was versus the second team defense running behind second team blockers.Are you a Lundi owner or just unintelligent?

so what is your point... anybody who puts up great stats at any point in the game must be good, because going against second-third string D is counterbalanced by second-third string blockers?that can't be right.its usually good form here to think through your own position before lashing out at others.

 

[RKMoney]

Morency was everything I told you guys he was...that little espn football L1 juke move on that defender on the pass to the flat before halftime had the crowd ooooohhhhhing and aaaahhhhing.

Against 3rd string defenders.

Running behind 3rd string blockers. Not only is this as dumb to say as, "if you take out that one big run ....." His first drive that ended in a TD was vs. the first team defense w/ the first team offense. His second TD .... the 43 yard TD run was versus the second team defense running behind second team blockers.Are you a Lundi owner or just unintelligent?

so what is your point... anybody who puts up great stats at any point in the game must be good, because going against second-third string D is counterbalanced by second-third string blockers?that can't be right.its usually good form here to think through your own position before lashing out at others.

The point is that if RB A and RB B both look solid but RB B looked better because he ran against more scrubs, don't discount RB A in the process. It is what it is.I am still waiting on Chicago who works for the Texans to give me a reply about how it must not matter to him if you run against starters or guys who won't be playing football this time next month.I guess his non response means he doesn't have one. Fluff.

 

[Bob_Magaw]

Morency was everything I told you guys he was...that little espn football L1 juke move on that defender on the pass to the flat before halftime had the crowd ooooohhhhhing and aaaahhhhing.

Against 3rd string defenders.

Running behind 3rd string blockers. Not only is this as dumb to say as, "if you take out that one big run ....." His first drive that ended in a TD was vs. the first team defense w/ the first team offense. His second TD .... the 43 yard TD run was versus the second team defense running behind second team blockers.Are you a Lundi owner or just unintelligent?

so what is your point... anybody who puts up great stats at any point in the game must be good, because going against second-third string D is counterbalanced by second-third string blockers?that can't be right.its usually good form here to think through your own position before lashing out at others.

The point is that if RB A and RB B both look solid but RB B looked better because he ran against more scrubs, don't discount RB A in the process. It is what it is.I am still waiting on Chicago who works for the Texans to give me a reply about how it must not matter to him if you run against starters or guys who won't be playing football this time next month.I guess his non response means he doesn't have one. Fluff.

i understood his point, & wouldn't discount any player without looking deeper... but certainly many scrubs have looked good in garbage time... & even though lower level blockers may seem to cancel out lower level defenders, sometimes they are just scrubs, & a good run in the 3rd-4th quarter doesn't necessarily elevate a player to instant starter material... maybe morency is starter material, but i also don't think the initial post warranted the ridiculing tone...its not always about blocking at the LOS... if you break into the clear, it is a lot easier to break a 60 yard run against third string defenders than first stringers.

 

[RKMoney]

Morency was everything I told you guys he was...that little espn football L1 juke move on that defender on the pass to the flat before halftime had the crowd ooooohhhhhing and aaaahhhhing.

Against 3rd string defenders.

Running behind 3rd string blockers. Not only is this as dumb to say as, "if you take out that one big run ....." His first drive that ended in a TD was vs. the first team defense w/ the first team offense. His second TD .... the 43 yard TD run was versus the second team defense running behind second team blockers.Are you a Lundi owner or just unintelligent?

so what is your point... anybody who puts up great stats at any point in the game must be good, because going against second-third string D is counterbalanced by second-third string blockers?that can't be right.its usually good form here to think through your own position before lashing out at others.

The point is that if RB A and RB B both look solid but RB B looked better because he ran against more scrubs, don't discount RB A in the process. It is what it is.I am still waiting on Chicago who works for the Texans to give me a reply about how it must not matter to him if you run against starters or guys who won't be playing football this time next month.I guess his non response means he doesn't have one. Fluff.

i understood his point, & wouldn't discount any player without looking deeper... but certainly many scrubs have looked good in garbage time... & even though lower level blockers may seem to cancel out lower level defenders, sometimes they are just scrubs, & a good run in the 3rd-4th quarter doesn't necessarily elevate a player to instant starter material... maybe morency is starter material, but i also don't think the initial post warranted the ridiculing tone...its not always about blocking at the LOS... if you break into the clear, it is a lot easier to break a 60 yard run against third string defenders than first stringers.

I agree with you 100% here by the way.