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Houston Texans forever - Mixon to miss at least first four games (5 Viewers)

Alright let's look for something positive in the wake of week 8.

Will Anderson #4 and Grenard #12 among edge players at pass rush win rate.
Malik Collins and Sheldon Rankins are #5 and #6 at pass rush win rate.

Grenard is #1 and Anderson #3 at run stop win rate among edge players.


Tunsil is #3 at pass block win rate among tackles. Though no one else is top 20 there, and none of the interior line are top 20 per ESPN's stats. And no one made the top 12 in either group at rush win rates.

Texans rankings overall in win rates.
D Pass rush #1.
D Run stop #3.
O Pass block #9.
O Run block #28.
 
GregR said:
Alright let's look for something positive in the wake of week 8.

Will Anderson #4 and Grenard #12 among edge players at pass rush win rate.
Malik Collins and Sheldon Rankins are #5 and #6 at pass rush win rate.

Grenard is #1 and Anderson #3 at run stop win rate among edge players.


Tunsil is #3 at pass block win rate among tackles. Though no one else is top 20 there, and none of the interior line are top 20 per ESPN's stats. And no one made the top 12 in either group at rush win rates.

Texans rankings overall in win rates.
D Pass rush #1.
D Run stop #3.
O Pass block #9.
O Run block #28.
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I kinda knew it was gonna be one of those growing pain moments.
It sucks losing to an a winless Carolina team on the road 15-13 but the reality is Houston just needs more playmakers
It's becoming apparent they need an impact RB next season, someone that can really shake loose a defense

CJ Stroud needs more help and I would say all the slots around the skill spots are open for upgrading.
There's some nice pieces but there's room for a Top-10 Alpha type, not sure that guy is on the roster yet, still like Collins and Dell, they need time, CJ needs time
And they could use a better OL, they should pour more resources into the development of the Offensive Line and I think they will

-Rome wasn't built in a day and I stll have doubts that Houston is rebuilding Rome here but there's some nice pieces developing.
The Defense as you pointed out looks much improved, giving up 5 FGs, losing 15-13, there should be no shame by the Texans D
But it was predictable IMHO the Texans were going to lose that game. They'll have some ups and downs, next year will look a lot better

It would appear the 2023 Draft has yielded a nice QB prospect, not for sure that CJS will be a hit but I like what I see so far.
The Defense looks a lot better and Will Anderson looks like a potential keeper.
I like the Texans chances at home vs the Bucs who are starting to look more like the team I thought they would with Baker as the starting QB
Vegas has the Texans as a slight favorite I believe, Texans might have one of those "here we are" games, I'm sure they want to get that Panthers taste out of their mouths

Good Luck this weekend
 
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Time to introduce CJ Stroud to those who doubted he was the prize in this past NFL QB Class, however you want to phrase it
5 Touchdowns passes in a game
Marino did that in Year 2 '84, Wk 1 vs Washington

Great game, nice win, helping speed up the clock on the Bucs preparing for the future
 
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Let A Stroud Be Your Umbrella

Houston Texans -- Lean, Chopped, and Screwed No Longer (Houston is famous for its sampling style of "chopping" and "screwing," as well as the purple codeine drank, aka, "lean")

Houston Texans Reading Teams The Nico Act

The puns go on and on . . .
 
Houston is a few defensive players to being a AFC contender..

Not only have they drafted well, but they went out and grabbed proves guys who are solid like Dalton Schultz.
 
Just kind of enjoying this one today. Got home from the game and was wiped. Watched the broadcast. Looked like Will Anderson was the one who should have got a sack on the Baker Mayfield stumble that then got turned into a roughing call.

A few worrisome injuries to watch. Fairbairn of course. Safety Jimmie Ward is a hamstring and his back up MJ Stewart is a shoulder. Metchie had a rib injury in the second quarter. Hassan Ridgeway exited with a calf injury.

I don't see mention of Will Anderson. He was in the blue tent after limping off. I didn't notice him return though maybe he did and that's why he didn't get mentioned in the article. You'd think he'd be a prominent mention if an issue there.
 
Posted this in the other thread will paste it here. Go Texans!

I can't remember the last time a rookie played like this right out from the gate.
Has the highest passing yards in a single game for the season.
14-1 TD:INT ratio. I counted at least 2-3 Interception that should have happened but you could say that about any QB. Purely insane, that doesn't happen and you don't see that for a reason. The bests (Peyton, Luck, Marino) have double digit and almost a 1:1 ratio of TD/INT. Witnessing something we haven't seen before you'd think NFL would beat this story into the ground.
Current starting QB's (sorry Cousins) #2 passing yards per game. Tua is #1 obviously look at his rocket weapon Hill for starters.
#3 in yards per pass attempt w/o clear cut WR#1 stud. This stat isn't skewed by dink and dunk throws to a speedy WR who runs it half way down the field. Maybe not since Dan Marino can I remember a QB where you thought is this QB one of the best already? Why am I trying to make excuses as to why and downplay simply because he's a rookie QB and that's not possible. And Marino had a ton of interceptions rookie season like all the all time greats. I can't think of any rookie QB who doesn't have a clear cut WR1 to bail you out and end up making multiple WR legit threats.
#3 passer rating.
Funny how the mind works, if Stroud was doing this in his second year you'd say he certainly at minimum is in the mix for MVP but because he's a rookie most will say no way. Why not? Who relies this year on one player as much as Texans? They wouldn't have 4 wins no way. Even when they lost vs Panthers, Stroud told Slowik to trust him let him do his thing and take the reigns off. How many rookie QBs says that? Seriously you watch him play not once are you thinking this guy is good but clearly plays like a rookie QB. You expect to see and say that.
That said he still has a lot of room to improve and his success hasn't been done with smoke, mirrors and luck. He'd have another last offensive drive win if their defense could have stopped Ridder for crying out loud. Playing with a make shift offensive line that most couldn't name besides Tunsil and a very poor running game makes him even more impressive.
 
I have the Texans at 6-6 after they beat Denver in Week 13

at NYJ, this game could go either way and a lot of it hinges on where the Jets are by Week 14
at Ten, another game that could go either way but Houston already lost to Carolina on the road, growing pains.
CLE, this is likely a loss but the good news it's a home game
TEN, I'll say they split with Tennessee
at Indy, they win on the road to close the season

I have Houston at 9-8 and missing the Playoffs.
 
C.J. Stroud’s 15-yard touchdown pass to Tank Dell with six seconds left for the winning points in Houston’s 39-37 victory at NRG Stadium marked just the sixth time in the franchise’s 22-season history that the Texans scored a go-ahead touchdown when trailing in the final two minutes of regulation.
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One of those five come from behind victories was beating the Colts in the final game last year which gave Houston the #2 pick they used to take CJ Stroud.
 
Max Power said:
That Trade with the Cardinals doesn't look as insane now.
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Anderson is playing at a level that if he stays there for a career he's worth it, yes. He doesn't have the sack numbers but he's near the top of the league in both pass and run stop win rate. The sack numbers will come if he keeps getting pressure.
 
I was poking around in the receiving stats. And thought I'd just grab a few players to share. If they seem completely random, with absolutely no possible connection discernable between any of them, that's definitely the case.

Nico Collins 8 gms, 36 rec, 631 yds, 4 TD. - $1.3m.
Tank Dell 7 gms, 28 rec, 454 yds, 4 TD. - $1.0m.
Noah Brown 4 gms, 14 rec, 267 yds, 1 TD. - $2.8m.
Robert Woods 6 gms, 22 rec, 227 yds, 1 TD. - $5.5m.

Brandin Cooks 7 gms, 17 rec, 165 yds, 2 TD. - $6.0m.
 
I really enjoy seeing the Texans being the hot team of discussion and CJ's performance getting so much play in the national media. I can finally say Texans football is fun to watch again after a decade of pain.

Wish we had the ATL and CAR games back or we'd definitely be talking playoffs. Still a possibility but those two Ls are going to hurt come Week 17.
 
Looks like they found their plug in for Fairbairn:

Houston has agreed to a deal with Matt Ammendola, Aaron Wilson of KPRC2 reports.
 
Major said:
I really enjoy seeing the Texans being the hot team of discussion and CJ's performance getting so much run in the national media. So much fun to watch them play after a decade of pain.

Wish we had the ATL and CAR games back or we'd definitely be talking playoffs. Still a possibility but those two Ls are going to hurt come Week 17.
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Lack of a running game and growing pains on both defense and offense are limiting factors for sure. I’m no longer thinking playoffs but enjoying the ride.
 
I love the Stroud pick I just wish they had taken JSN to go along with him. You have very nice WR's in Collins and Dell but this would been special to have JSN back with Stroud and JSN could been a force this year instead of wasting away on Seattle.
 
Players missing practice: safety Jimmie Ward, wide receiver Nico Collins, cornerback Steven Nelson, running back Dameon Pierce, left tackle Laremy Tunsil, linebackers Blake Cashman and Denzel Perryman, full back Andrew Beck and defensive end Will Anderson.

CB Derek Stingley and tackle Charlie Heck were designated to return from IR and can begin practicing.
 
Injury report for the Texans has on it 23 out of the 53 players on the roster. Though 5 participated in practice, so it's more like 18 injured.

Among the notable nonparticipants were rookie pass rusher Will Anderson Jr. (knee), fullback Andrew Beck (ankle/elbow/shoulder), linebacker Blake Cashman (knee), kicker Ka'imi Fairbairn (quad), offensive tackle Laremy Tunsil (knee) and safety Jimmie Ward (hamstring).
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For the Bengals, Tee Higgins is expected to be out, but Ja'marr Chase still might play. Was limited in practice.
 
The Texans were still missing several starters from Thursday’s practice, but the list wasn’t as extensive as it was Wednesday.

Left tackle Laremy Tunsil, wide receiver Robert Woods, defensive end Will Anderson Jr., and linebacker Blake Cashman all returned after missing Wednesday’s practice and were limited participants, along with defensive end Jonathan Greenard.

However, cornerback Steven Nelson, running back Dameon Pierce, safety Jimmie Ward, wide receiver Nico Collins, full back Andrew Beck, and linebackers Henry To’oTo’o and Jake Hansen all remained out.
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ESPN article about most improved team position units. Was alphabetical so not ranked, just their top 8 choices.

The Houston Texans' defensive line​

New players that helped: DE Will Anderson Jr. (No. 3 overall pick), DT Sheldon Rankins (FA), DE Dylan Horton (fourth-round pick)
How they did it: Many of us in the analytics community criticized the trade Houston made to move up and draft Anderson third overall. How big was the difference in potential between Anderson and the mid-first-round edge rushers such as Lukas Van Ness and Will McDonald IV? Was that difference really worth a 2024 first-round pick?
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We still don't know the answer to that question, because we don't know what those other players will grow into, but we do know that Anderson has been fantastic as a rookie and a huge part of revitalizing the Texans' pass rush. The Texans have gone from 14th last season to second this season in PRWR. Anderson on his own ranks fifth among all edge rushers with a 27% PRWR and draws double teams at a higher-than-average 23% rate.

Thanks to the presence of Anderson to draw attention, Jonathan Greenard has had a breakout fourth season on the other side of the defensive line. He ranks 13th among all edge rushers in PRWR (22.6%). If you want to see some strong tape, watch how he dominated Panthers left tackle Ikem Ekwonu in their Week 8 matchup.
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The Texans also added to their pass rush by signing veteran defensive tackle Rankins. He's currently fourth among all interior linemen in PRWR (16.5%), trailing only Jalen Carter, Dexter Lawrence II and Aaron Donald. Unfortunately, Rankins has missed the past two games with a knee injury. He did practice last week, however, and he could be back against Cincinnati on Sunday.
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Biggest remaining test: Week 16 at home against the Browns, who rank third in PBWR (68.1%).
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The Houston Texans' passing game​

New players that helped: QB C.J. Stroud (No. 2 overall pick), WR Tank Dell (third-round pick), TE Dalton Schultz (FA)
How they did it: OK, this may be cheating because the passing game is actually two units -- the quarterback(s) and the receivers. However, we wanted to bring attention to both because there has been so much improvement in Houston this season.
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Last season's starting quarterback for the Texans was Davis Mills, and he ranked 29th among qualifying quarterbacks with a 35.0 QBR. Stroud, on the other hand, ranks 12th at 62.2. The improvement is even steeper if we look at DVOA, where the Texans now rank third in the league passing the ball after they ranked 31st in 2022. In my DYAR (Defense-adjusted Yards Above Replacement) numbers, Stroud is on pace to have the most valuable rookie season of any quarterback since at least 1981, surpassing Dak Prescott's 2016 season.
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The difference in the passing game isn't just the quarterback, though. The receivers themselves have improved dramatically compared to what Mills had to work with a year ago. There has been a drastic change in the ESPN receiver tracking metrics (RTM). We'll start with Nico Collins' maturation in his third NFL season. Collins has already set career-highs in both yardage (631) and touchdowns (4). His score in the RTM has gone from 55 in 2022 to 75 in 2023, improving in all three areas (open score, catch score and, most impressively, YAC score).
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The Texans signed veteran Robert Woods to play opposite Collins and help Stroud develop, but he has been overshadowed by Dell. Dell is now fourth on the team with 454 receiving yards. Compare his RTM score of 73 -- or even the disappointing Woods and his 48 score -- to the receivers the Texans had in 2022. Chris Moore earned a 49, Amari Rodgers a 45, Brandin Cooks a 42 and Phillip Dorsett a 39. The Texans have essentially improved at every wide receiver position to go with the substantial upgrade at quarterback.
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Biggest remaining test: Week 16 at home against the Browns, who have a historically strong pass defense.
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ESPN's receiver metrics (kind of a PFF approach evaluating every route run) has Nico and Tank 6th and 8th best in the NFL at present. They were a bit higher previously, even.

 
The Houston Texans will receive help in their secondary before their Week 10 matchup against the Cincinnati Bengals.

Texans' cornerback Derek Stingley was activated from injury reserve on Saturday after suffering a hamstring injury at the end of a Week 3 practice.

The 2022 No. 2 pick has dealt with injuries through his first two seasons. Stingley has played in 11 of the 25 games of his Texans career after playing only three games during his final season at LSU because of a foot injury.

But when Stingley has played, there's been signs of a promising talent. In 2022, quarterbacks had a passer rating of 70.1 when targeting him. Through 11 career games, he hasn't allowed a touchdown in coverage.
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I just could not keep Nico this week on 15-man rosters
But I did somehow manage to grab Tank Dell to replace him in a couple
Moving forward with Stroud, I think Houston can give Cinci a run for their money tomorrow.
Bengals secondary played well last week but they haven't been great every week.

I play non-PPR as well in several, I'm not looking for a lot of catches, I'm looking for the chunks and possible TDs

Good luck tomorrow up in Cinci
 
So something I heard yesterday that I hadn't heard before. I have heard how Houston has the most snaps by rookie players.

But I didn't know that we're apparently somewhere around the 3rd oldest roster. Though we have more rookies playing more snaps than anyone else, the roster itself has a lot of veterans they added via free agency. I just didn't realize the roster slewed that direction age-wise.
 
I love hearing comments like "this wide receiver group for the Texans is just so good and so deep". When we were literally rated the #32 wide receiver group by a few places going into the season.

I mean they aren't wrong. Some of that is the players and some of that is Stroud making people better I think. But they aren't wrong the receivers themselves are playing well too.
 
GregR said:
Houston turmOiler said:
I'm just thankful to have a fun team and QB to root for again. Feels like it's been a long time.
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Yes it has. Life is just a little bit better after a win, especially like the last two weeks.
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Really cool seeing the post game locker room pep talk by Demeco. Energy was night and day from years past. Couldn't imagine Culley or BOB commanding a locker room like that. Seems like everyone is buying in and having fun out there. I think free agents will actually want to come to Houston for more than just a check.

5-4 is incredible but crazy to think we could easily be 7-2. Now we just need to shore up that Defense because we got a few gifts from Burrow and Co.
 
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I love hearing comments like "this wide receiver group for the Texans is just so good and so deep". When we were literally rated the #32 wide receiver group by a few places going into the season.

I mean they aren't wrong. Some of that is the players and some of that is Stroud making people better I think. But they aren't wrong the receivers themselves are playing well too.
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CJ seems to throw a really catchable ball with a soft touch. I've noticed drops not being that much of an issue this year with most of them making the big catches.

But to your point, the WR core has outperformed all expectations. Noah Brown is a total shocker. I wish Metchie would show more progress but I guess they're taking it slow. Nico, Dell and Brown are a nice little trio.
 
Just got reminded of something I thought during the game. Christian Harris seemed like he was really showing up today.
 
One of the largest payouts on a parlay bet ever reported by a U.S. sportsbook came down to the final seconds and a winning drive authored by Houston Texans rookie quarterback C.J. Stroud.

A bettor in Florida won $5.5 million on a $500,000 four-leg NFL parlay with the newly reopened Hard Rock sportsbook when Texans kicker Matt Ammendola hit a 38-yard field goal on the final play to lift Houston to a 30-27 win over the Cincinnati Bengals on Sunday.

The four legs of the same-game parlay were:

• The Houston Texans to beat the Cincinnati Bengals

• The Texans-Bengals to go over 44.5 points

• Texans running back Devin Singletary to score a touchdown

• Singletary to go over 51.5 rushing yards
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GregR said:
One of the largest payouts on a parlay bet ever reported by a U.S. sportsbook came down to the final seconds and a winning drive authored by Houston Texans rookie quarterback C.J. Stroud.

A bettor in Florida won $5.5 million on a $500,000 four-leg NFL parlay with the newly reopened Hard Rock sportsbook when Texans kicker Matt Ammendola hit a 38-yard field goal on the final play to lift Houston to a 30-27 win over the Cincinnati Bengals on Sunday.

The four legs of the same-game parlay were:

• The Houston Texans to beat the Cincinnati Bengals

• The Texans-Bengals to go over 44.5 points

• Texans running back Devin Singletary to score a touchdown

• Singletary to go over 51.5 rushing yards
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Wow, what a hit. The stones to bet $500k on that parlay.
 
Perryman has been suspended 3 games by the NFL for the hit on Chase. He was previously fined for a hit against the Colts in week 2. He can appeal.
 
Some potential impact on the Browns first round draft pick we hold.

Cleveland Browns quarterback Deshaun Watson will undergo season-ending surgery to repair a fracture in his throwing shoulder, sidelining their franchise quarterback once again.

According to a team statement Wednesday, an MRI performed Monday revealed Watson had a displaced fracture to the glenoid in his right shoulder that he suffered during Sunday's 33-31 win over the Baltimore Ravens. Team doctors determined that Watson needed immediate surgery to avoid further structural damage.

Watson, who will be placed on injured reserve, is expected to be back for the start of the 2024 season.
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Some potential impact on the Browns first round draft pick we hold.

Cleveland Browns quarterback Deshaun Watson will undergo season-ending surgery to repair a fracture in his throwing shoulder, sidelining their franchise quarterback once again.

According to a team statement Wednesday, an MRI performed Monday revealed Watson had a displaced fracture to the glenoid in his right shoulder that he suffered during Sunday's 33-31 win over the Baltimore Ravens. Team doctors determined that Watson needed immediate surgery to avoid further structural damage.

Watson, who will be placed on injured reserve, is expected to be back for the start of the 2024 season.
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Yep, my first thought as well. Shame their Defense is rivaling the 85 Bears or we'd have a much higher pick.
 
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