Houston Texans off-season Thread (1 Viewer)

[GregR]

No safeties have signed yet. That might be a good thing... might mean the market isn't what they were hoping, so might increase the chances of Quin re-signing. (Edit to add: though if he signs elsewhere for less, worse compensatory pick.)

I would really like to keep McCain. I just don't think we have anything at all after him in terms of capable corners. I don't know what kind of money he's going to be offered though, it might not be possible.

Colts signed Packers OLB Erik Walden to starter money, 4 years $16m. I think it might be the most questionable signing right now in many people's minds. It also probably reduces or eliminates the chances of Barwin going to Indy.

By the way, don't think I remembered to mention this yet... someone was on the radio talking about Mercilus last season. I don't recall now who it was, but they were saying that he had difficulty learning the defensive scheme and that contributed to not getting more playing time.

Let's hope with a year of it under his belt he's in better shape to be a starter.

 

[TheFly06]

I wanna say I read somewhere that Brice McCain was rated as the best slot corner/nickleback in the league in 2011. I would love to have him back, but when his agent is saying that McCain is worth 3.5-5 million, I just don't see it happening. At least Kareem Jackson (of all people) showed a HUGE improvement in his game last season. I never would've imagined that happening after the disaster that was his rookie season. I would argue that he was the 4th best/most reliable defender in 2012, after Watt, Joseph and Quin. If McCain leaves, I guess we pencil in Brandon Harris. He struggled in place of McCain. Still not pleased with the results of that 2nd round trade up. But maybe with more playing time he improves like Jackson managed to.

 

[GregR]

I'm intrigued at the moment at the thought of Karlos Dansby signing with Houston. Probably can't afford him though. Not sure what the market will be for him. I don't think he's over the hill yet, seems like he played decent for Miami. I'd have thought better than Bradie James did for us.

 

[GregR]

Casey 3 year deal with the Eagles. Edit: 3 year, $14.5m.

Edit: Rewritten. Probably a 4th or 5th round compensatory pick. The salary cap is same as 2009. In 2009:

3rd round comp players had signed for at least $6.5 million per season

4th rounders signed for $4.8 million to $6 million

5th rounders signed for $4 million to $5 million

6th rounders signed for $2.7 million to $3.9 million

7th rounders signed for less than $2.65 million per season.

Note there is overlap right where Casey is, so playing time or postseason honors can play a role.

 

[GregR]

Schefter saying Lions signed Glover Quin.

 

[TheFly06]

Schefter saying Lions signed Glover Quin.

Reportedly it's a four year deal. Dang it man. What is the front office thinking??

 

[Meecrob]

Bring Winston back.

Sign Delmas.

TIA

 

[Buckna]

Saw these tidbits posted this morning:

- Sources have confirmed the Texans have inquired about free agent wide receiver, Greg Jennings. No contract was offered to Jennings, but contact was made.

- Also, the Texans have put their feelers out on free agent defensive back Charles Woodson. Woodson is scheduled to be in San Francisco on Wednesday talking with the 49ers.

Losing Quin hurts, can't find any $ amounts yet but my guess is he wanted top safety money and they didn't feel he was worth it. If the above two items are true, then it looks like we are bargain shopping and likely hoping to replace guys in the draft or with some Tier 2, lower-priced guys. Argh, this is what happens when you get stuck up against the cap just like last year, have to let good players walk.

 

[GregR]

Ed Reed visiting Texans.

 

[GregR]

Agent: Texans never made Glover Quin an official offer

Posted on March 13, 2013 at 4:46 pm by Tania Ganguli in General, Glover Quin

As Glover Quin spoke with media in Detroit talking about his new five-year contract, I was on the phone with his agent, Michael Hoffman, who provided a bit of odd news.

“Texans never made an offer on Glover Quin,” Hoffman said. “We talked preliminary numbers at the combine, conceptually we talked about numbers but they never made an official offer.”

Hoffman said Houston wasn’t a contender for Quin today. Quin held a press conference in Detroit this afternoon and his comments hinted at the divide between he and the Texans. When asked how hard the Texans pursued him, Quin deflected.

“I’m really not here to talk about the Texans,” Quin said. “I’m here to talk about the Lions signing me and I’m really happy. They were very interested and they did what they had to do. They said the things I wanted to hear and I’m happy to come in and help out and I’m a Detroit Lion.”

Quin said he heard from teammates in Houston who wanted him to return, but added those players don’t make the team’s decisions.

“As a player you want to go somewhere that you’re wanted, where you’re appreciated for the things that you’ve done and the things you can do and bring to the table,” Quin said. “(Detroit) expressed all those things and they told me what they expected out of me and what I can bring to the table. It sounded great.”

We’ll get the real numbers on Quin’s contract soon, but it’s a five-year deal for about $5 million a year. As a means of comparison, Dashon Goldson signed a deal worth $8.25 million a year with Tampa Bay, according to NFL.com.

“There were several teams in the mix,” Hoffman said. “But the Lions were the team that stepped up.”

 

[TheFly06]

I don't believe Reed or Jennings is comin to Houston. I'm mad if Quin only got roughly $5 million per year!!!

Keo or Demps can't step in. Better hope Eddie Pleasant can step in. There are too many needs in the draft. Safety, Linebacker, O-Line, WIDE RECEIVER!! And even Fullback.

 

[GregR]

Quin got $5.25m per year according to McClain.Also, different version of Texans negotiations with Quin:

Tania Ganguli ‏@taniaganguli#Texans GM Rick Smith told the Chronicle he tried to re-sign Quin before 3-day window & had conversations right until he signed

 

[GregR]

There are too many needs in the draft. Safety, Linebacker, O-Line, WIDE RECEIVER!! And even Fullback.

This is actually my biggest worry, that they get left with more holes than draft picks high enough to fill them.. Texans need to get a couple of decent veterans to plug some holes before the draft. You need a starting safety, ILB and WR. You need a nickel corner (and a dime wouldn't hurt). You could really use an upgrade at RT. You need at least backups at OLB, DT, TE, FB (probably starter), possibly ILB. Texans should have 4 picks in the first 3 rounds including a compensatory for Mario at the end of the 3rd that you hope can find starter caliber players. And will probably get from one to three extra 6th round picks. That's not a lot to fill their needs.

 

[GregR]

Quin's contract if $5.25m would be around the border between 4th and 5th round compensatory pick range.

Casey's contract is worth $4m a year not counting incentives. Around the border between 5th and 6th round picks.

Of course, signing UFAs above the vet minimum will cancel out picks.

 

[GregR]

I was doing some studying of Flacco's contract and looked at Schaub's to compare. With I know some uncertainty about how far Schaub can take the team, figured I'd post some facts about his contract.

It isn't particularly salary cap friendly. Here are Schaub's and Flacco's cap numbers for the 4 years that Schaub has left:

2013 Schaub: $10.75m ---- Flacco: $6.8m

2014 Schaub: $14.5m ---- Flacco: $14.8m

2015 Schaub: $17m ------ Flacco: $14.55m

2016 Schaub: $19m ------ Flacco: $28.55m

So Schaub has cap numbers $4m and $2.5m worse in 2013 and 2015, and is only a couple hundred thousand better in 2014. 2016 Flacco's contract gets ridiculous and looks to me like it's made to force a restructure at that point. It gets even worse in 2017.

But, there is some good news. If Schaub doesn't show he can do what it takes to get a championship, the contract would make it less painful to release him after the coming season.

If cut in 2014, he would cause $10.5m of dead money, but they would save $10m in salary and $1m in game bonuses so would be a $500k cap savings.

If cut in 2015, he would cause $7m of dead money but they would save $12.5m in salary and $1m in game bonuses, so would be a $6.5m cap savings.

If cut in 2016, he would have $3.5m of dead money but they would save $14.5m in salary and $1m in game bonuses, so would be a $12m cap savings.

Of course "cap savings" is a relative term. If you keep him he costs $11m, if you cut him he costs $10.5m and you still have to fill his roster spot. But it then frees up cap the next year fully.

Though of course I'll hope he wins the Super Bowl instead and it isn't an issue. Go Texans.

 

[TheFly06]

I was doing some studying of Flacco's contract and looked at Schaub's to compare. With I know some uncertainty about how far Schaub can take the team, figured I'd post some facts about his contract.It isn't particularly salary cap friendly. Here are Schaub's and Flacco's cap numbers for the 4 years that Schaub has left:2013 Schaub: $10.75m ---- Flacco: $6.8m2014 Schaub: $14.5m ---- Flacco: $14.8m2015 Schaub: $17m ------ Flacco: $14.55m2016 Schaub: $19m ------ Flacco: $28.55mSo Schaub has cap numbers $4m and $2.5m worse in 2013 and 2015, and is only a couple hundred thousand better in 2014. 2016 Flacco's contract gets ridiculous and looks to me like it's made to force a restructure at that point. It gets even worse in 2017.But, there is some good news. If Schaub doesn't show he can do what it takes to get a championship, the contract would make it less painful to release him after the coming season.If cut in 2014, he would cause $10.5m of dead money, but they would save $10m in salary and $1m in game bonuses so would be a $500k cap savings.If cut in 2015, he would cause $7m of dead money but they would save $12.5m in salary and $1m in game bonuses, so would be a $6.5m cap savings.If cut in 2016, he would have $3.5m of dead money but they would save $14.5m in salary and $1m in game bonuses, so would be a $12m cap savings.Of course "cap savings" is a relative term. If you keep him he costs $11m, if you cut him he costs $10.5m and you still have to fill his roster spot. But it then frees up cap the next year fully.Though of course I'll hope he wins the Super Bowl instead and it isn't an issue. Go Texans.

Sorry friend. But after late season collapse by Schaub, and Gary's inability to shake things up and let go of players/coaches who are costing us wins, I just don't see the Texans winning the Big One under this current regime. Good enough to win AFC South titles, maybe a few playoff games, but not a Super Bowl. And i considered myself a Schaub/Kubiak guy long after many stopped believing after the 2010 season.

 

[GregR]

Texans have also contacted Charles Woodson's agent.

 

[GregR]

Barwin close to signing with Eagles per LaCanfora.

Ed Reed had good things to say about Rick Smith accompanying McNair's plane to pick him up for his visit.

 

[TheFly06]

Ed Reed had good things to say about Rick Smith accompanying McNair's plane to pick him up for his visit.

Surely if he was gonna sign here he would've done it by now, right? For all this lovey dovey talk, I'm still not seeing this happen. Call me skeptical. And I feel like Barwin got overpaid by the eagles. His 11.5 sack season in 2011 was inflated due to that 4 sack game vs Blaine Gabbart in the fetal position. So combine that 7.5 sack, 15 game season with last years clunker season: I don't think he's worth it. Just my opinion. I DO hope he gets multiple sacks vs Romo twice a year

 

[FF Ninja]

I know everyone wants a big name, but I'd be ok with bringing in DHB on the cheap to stretch the field - if Schaub can take advantage of a stretched field.

 

[GregR]

Ed Reed had good things to say about Rick Smith accompanying McNair's plane to pick him up for his visit.

Surely if he was gonna sign here he would've done it by now, right? For all this lovey dovey talk, I'm still not seeing this happen. Call me skeptical. And I feel like Barwin got overpaid by the eagles. His 11.5 sack season in 2011 was inflated due to that 4 sack game vs Blaine Gabbart in the fetal position. So combine that 7.5 sack, 15 game season with last years clunker season: I don't think he's worth it. Just my opinion. I DO hope he gets multiple sacks vs Romo twice a year

Last night McClain tweeted it was late enough they weren't going to get a contract done before the end of the day. If they don't get him to sign soon today, then probably moving on. ESPN is calling it 50/50 right now.

 

[TheFly06]

I know everyone wants a big name, but I'd be ok with bringing in DHB on the cheap to stretch the field - if Schaub can take advantage of a stretched field.

Is he a better option right now than say the 2011 version of Jacoby Jones was? Not sarcasm, I'm genuinely curious. I haven't watched much raiders football lately. Seems like he was shedding the total bust label, but rumors were he was getting outplayed by other WRs like Streeter and Criner(sp?)I would totally be ok with kicking the tires on DHB. But do we even have the money for HIM? And does he "block" well enough for Kubes liking?How do y'all think D-Alexander would do in the Kubiak offense? I know he's Restricted FA, but I read that the Chargers put the lowest tender on him...

 

[TheFly06]

Take it for what it's worth. I think it means Reed won't be a Texan:

SR610: Ed Reed leaves Houston without a contract, reportedly to tend to other responsibilities. Both sides still have mutual interest. http://cbsloc.al/ZNs7jZ

 

[TheFly06]

Justin Forsett signs with the Jacksonville Jaguars.

 

[coolnerd]

I know everyone wants a big name, but I'd be ok with bringing in DHB on the cheap to stretch the field - if Schaub can take advantage of a stretched field.

Is he a better option right now than say the 2011 version of Jacoby Jones was? Not sarcasm, I'm genuinely curious. I haven't watched much raiders football lately. Seems like he was shedding the total bust label, but rumors were he was getting outplayed by other WRs like Streeter and Criner(sp?)I would totally be ok with kicking the tires on DHB. But do we even have the money for HIM? And does he "block" well enough for Kubes liking?How do y'all think D-Alexander would do in the Kubiak offense? I know he's Restricted FA, but I read that the Chargers put the lowest tender on him...

Jacoby and DHB are closer than note, but i think DHB is a better WR, but knows how to use his speed less than jacoby.

 

[coolnerd]

@HoustonTexans

The Texans have signed restricted free agent T Andrew Gardner

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Now I feel better

 

[heydangle]

Ed Reed? How would they afford him?

I don't think that will happen. I think safety becomes their biggest need so I they sign him. Other than that looks like a quiet off-season. Worries me in the short team, but I think in the long term, the Texans will be consistent contenders. Schaub is the key.. O gah

 

[FF Ninja]

I know everyone wants a big name, but I'd be ok with bringing in DHB on the cheap to stretch the field - if Schaub can take advantage of a stretched field.

Is he a better option right now than say the 2011 version of Jacoby Jones was? Not sarcasm, I'm genuinely curious. I haven't watched much raiders football lately. Seems like he was shedding the total bust label, but rumors were he was getting outplayed by other WRs like Streeter and Criner(sp?)I would totally be ok with kicking the tires on DHB. But do we even have the money for HIM? And does he "block" well enough for Kubes liking?How do y'all think D-Alexander would do in the Kubiak offense? I know he's Restricted FA, but I read that the Chargers put the lowest tender on him...

I feel like the answer is yes. I felt like he was really putting his game together in 2011 and had injury problems in 2012. But you bring up a good point with the blocking. I don't know anything about him in that respect. Obviously it is something they'd have to look into.I'd also be interested to see if we could get Brandon Lloyd here for cheap.But like you said, how much money do we have? I'd have to think we have enough budgeted to get a WR2 if we just cut Kevin Walter. Surely we aren't dumb enough to go into a "win now" season with a rookie WR2.

 

[Buckna]

I read last week that we were estimated around $11M under the cap. So if you earmark $5~$6M for a safety and/or a WR that doesn't leave much after the rookie class. Considering the Ed Reed & Woodson talk my guess is they were hoping for some cheaper veteran stopgaps. They need to hold as much as possible for next year when Cushing's contract is up and Watt will be in the final year of his rookie deal.

I wouldn't be surprised if they wait to see how healed Cushing looks in preseason and sign him to an extension like we did with Schaub & Brown this past year. Would put as much as possible of his new contract into this season. Watt's numbers are going to break the bank when it comes time for his new contract.

 

[GregR]

I read last week that we were estimated around $11M under the cap. So if you earmark $5~$6M for a safety and/or a WR that doesn't leave much after the rookie class. Considering the Ed Reed & Woodson talk my guess is they were hoping for some cheaper veteran stopgaps. They need to hold as much as possible for next year when Cushing's contract is up and Watt will be in the final year of his rookie deal.I wouldn't be surprised if they wait to see how healed Cushing looks in preseason and sign him to an extension like we did with Schaub & Brown this past year. Would put as much as possible of his new contract into this season. Watt's numbers are going to break the bank when it comes time for his new contract.

I could definitely see that being the case, in regards to money for Cushing and Watt's contracts.You also have Antonio Smith and Wade Smith who are UFAs in 2014, I believe.

 

[FF Ninja]

Got a couple 2013 compensatory picks - 3.33 and 6.33

 

[coolnerd]

Got a couple 2013 compensatory picks - 3.33 and 6.33

Some were expecting up to 4. At least the 3rd is fairly useful.

 

[coolnerd]

John McClain ‏@McClain_on_NFL 3m

Texans have agreed to terms with CB Brice McCain

Brice McCain ‏@McCain21 12m

Thank you to my agent @davidcanter I just agreed to terms on a new 3 year deal to remain with @houstontexans

Yep

 

[TheFly06]

John McClain ‏@McClain_on_NFL 3mTexans have agreed to terms with CB Brice McCainBrice McCain ‏@McCain21 12m Thank you to my agent @davidcanter I just agreed to terms on a new 3 year deal to remain with @houstontexans Yep

A small, unexpected victory. But I'll take it.Still doubting that Ed Reed plays for Houston.

 

[GregR]

I was getting to the point I was more worried about McCain than I was the safety position. Without McCain I just don't think Houston has anything after JJo and Jackson worth putting on the field.

Now at least they can look at WR, S and MLB or something like that in the first 3 rounds of the draft and fill most of the pressing holes, plus have that late 3rd comp pick for a tackle or OLB. If they had to take a CB too, ugh.

I still expect them to sign some veterans later in free agency though, like they did with Bradie James.

 

[FF Ninja]

Yeah, for a team that looked so strong during the first month or two last year, we sure have a **** ton of holes to fill this offseason (which I did not feel was the case just one year ago). I know everyone keeps talking about WR in round one (as they have for the past couple years), but do you guys really want to see that? Aside from Boldin and to some extent DeSean Jackson, how many first year WRs taken at non-lottery pick level have actually filled the type of hole we are looking for? I really hope we sign a cheap vet to be our #2. I wouldn't be opposed to a rookie in round 3, but we've got a lot of holes to fill and we don't have time to wait for a rookie WR to develop.

Speaking of holes to fill, why haven't I heard anything about Eric Winston? I've heard him tied to the Dolphins, Chargers, Steelers, and Redskins (and maybe Philly - I can't remember), but nothing about the Texans. I feel like RT needs to be added to that list with WR, S, and MLB.

 

[dhockster]

Yeah, for a team that looked so strong during the first month or two last year, we sure have a **** ton of holes to fill this offseason (which I did not feel was the case just one year ago). I know everyone keeps talking about WR in round one (as they have for the past couple years), but do you guys really want to see that? Aside from Boldin and to some extent DeSean Jackson, how many first year WRs taken at non-lottery pick level have actually filled the type of hole we are looking for? I really hope we sign a cheap vet to be our #2. I wouldn't be opposed to a rookie in round 3, but we've got a lot of holes to fill and we don't have time to wait for a rookie WR to develop.Speaking of holes to fill, why haven't I heard anything about Eric Winston? I've heard him tied to the Dolphins, Chargers, Steelers, and Redskins (and maybe Philly - I can't remember), but nothing about the Texans. I feel like RT needs to be added to that list with WR, S, and MLB.

One thing Gary doesn't like to do is admit mistakes by his actions. Most notably he doesn't like to cut draft picks quickly (within the first two years of drafting them). Re-signing Winston would be an admission that they shouldn't have let him go (even if it was for salary cap reasons), and an admission that their plan of Rashad Butler/7th round pick Derek Newton as a replacement didn't work either. I see the Texans letting Derek Newton continue to develop as the RT. I don't think they will address this position other than signing Ryan Harris as back-up.

 

[GregR]

Don't know what Winston's situation is for sure. But I imagine he's waiting for the highest rated tackles to sign, so he can hear from teams who were busy going after Long and the others before he decides.

I do know that he said on SR 610 that he would like to come back... that if it was a little less money from the Texans over another team's offer he would come back, but not if it was significant, 2 million a year or such.

 

[GregR]

Brice McCain's contract: $5.25m total over 3 years.

 

[GregR]

Yeah, for a team that looked so strong during the first month or two last year, we sure have a **** ton of holes to fill this offseason (which I did not feel was the case just one year ago). I know everyone keeps talking about WR in round one (as they have for the past couple years), but do you guys really want to see that? Aside from Boldin and to some extent DeSean Jackson, how many first year WRs taken at non-lottery pick level have actually filled the type of hole we are looking for? I really hope we sign a cheap vet to be our #2. I wouldn't be opposed to a rookie in round 3, but we've got a lot of holes to fill and we don't have time to wait for a rookie WR to develop.

I think you need to take one at some point though so he has time to develop. How long until Dre's production starts to drop off? Last year he was his old self, one of the very best in the NFL. But in 2-3 years we may be looking for someone else to take over as WR1. You want someone to be ready you probably need to draft them. Texans don't have the cash to sign someone like Wallace.Whether they should go WR in the 1st will depend on who is there though. If there is sufficient depth to get one who can develop in the 2nd, I'm fine with that if the WRs drop off before our pick and we'd have to reach. And just because I wondered the answer to your question as well, here are receivers since 2001 sorted by pick taken. CarAV is a PFR career approximate value stat.It looks like picks 22-30 actually have a decent hit rate for productive NFL receivers. Picks 31-49 not so much. But after that, a lot of guys that were productive through the end of the 2nd.

Year	Rnd	Pick	Tm	Name			CarAV	G	Rec	Yds	TD2003	1	2	DET	Charles Rogers		4	15	36	440	42007	1	2	DET	Calvin Johnson		56	92	488	7836	542003	1	3	HOU	Andre Johnson		85	138	818	11254	562004	1	3	ARI	Larry Fitzgerald	68	140	764	10413	772005	1	3	CLE	Braylon Edwards		50	102	359	5522	402011	1	4	CIN	A.J. Green		22	31	162	2407	182012	1	5	JAX	Justin Blackmon		6	16	64	865	52011	1	6	ATL	Julio Jones		22	29	133	2157	182004	1	7	DET	Roy E. Williams		46	115	393	5715	442005	1	7	MIN	Troy Williamson		8	49	87	1131	42009	1	7	OAK	Darrius Heyward-Bey	16	56	140	2071	112001	1	8	CHI	David Terrell		11	54	128	1602	92001	1	9	SEA	Koren Robinson		35	96	294	4244	162004	1	9	JAX	Reggie Williams		23	79	189	2322	182007	1	9	MIA	Ted Ginn Jr.		23	88	161	2048	62005	1	10	DET	Mike Williams		13	56	127	1526	52009	1	10	SFO	Michael Crabtree	29	58	260	3345	212002	1	13	NOR	Donte Stallworth	39	115	321	4837	352004	1	13	BUF	Lee Evans		49	118	381	6008	432012	1	13	ARI	Michael Floyd		3	16	45	562	22001	1	15	WAS	Rod Gardner		27	90	242	3165	232004	1	15	TAM	Michael Clayton		22	95	223	2955	102001	1	16	NYJ	Santana Moss		71	171	680	9715	642003	1	17	ARI	Bryant Johnson		26	139	314	3938	162002	1	19	DEN	Ashley Lelie		35	107	217	3749	152009	1	19	PHI	Jeremy Maclin		27	59	258	3453	262002	1	20	GNB	Javon Walker		39	83	267	4011	312012	1	20	TEN	Kendall Wright		5	15	64	626	42005	1	21	JAX	Matt Jones		22	54	166	2153	152005	1	22	BAL	Mark Clayton		27	83	260	3448	142009	1	22	MIN	Percy Harvin		39	54	280	3302	202010	1	22	DEN	Demaryius Thomas	19	37	148	2268	162007	1	23	KAN	Dwayne Bowe		39	88	415	5728	392010	1	24	DAL	Dez Bryant		25	43	200	2871	272001	1	25	PHI	Freddie Mitchell	13	63	90	1263	52006	1	25	PIT	Santonio Holmes		45	92	358	5507	352011	1	26	KAN	Jonathan Baldwin	4	26	41	579	22005	1	27	ATL	Roddy White		77	128	622	8725	522007	1	27	NOR	Robert Meachem		23	77	155	2476	252004	1	29	ATL	Michael Jenkins		39	130	354	4427	252009	1	29	NYG	Hakeem Nicks		32	55	255	3726	272001	1	30	IND	Reggie Wayne		112	189	968	13063	782007	1	30	SDG	Craig Davis		7	26	51	558	22009	1	30	TEN	Kenny Britt		20	45	146	2354	192012	1	30	SFO	A.J. Jenkins		0	3			2004	1	31	SFO	Rashaun Woods		1	14	7	160	12007	1	32	IND	Anthony Gonzalez	16	40	99	1307	72001	2	33	CLE	Quincy Morgan		23	86	164	2466	172002	2	33	HOU	Jabar Gaffney		42	158	447	5690	242008	2	33	STL	Donnie Avery		14	55	163	2089	122012	2	33	STL	Brian Quick		1	14	11	156	22008	2	34	WAS	Devin Thomas		4	55	43	482	32005	2	35	PHI	Reggie Brown		20	72	177	2574	172001	2	36	CIN	Chad Johnson		87	166	766	11059	672002	2	36	BUF	Josh Reed		28	115	311	3575	102006	2	36	NWE	Chad Jackson		2	18	14	171	32008	2	36	GNB	Jordy Nelson		31	73	217	3276	282009	2	36	CLE	Brian Robiskie		3	37	43	485	42010	2	36	KAN	Dexter McCluster	10	43	119	989	32005	2	39	CHI	Mark Bradley		13	57	92	1283	92010	2	39	TAM	Arrelious Benn		7	37	59	862	52001	2	41	GNB	Robert Ferguson		16	83	151	1993	132008	2	41	BUF	James Hardy		1	16	10	96	22008	2	42	DEN	Eddie Royal		22	67	229	2341	102012	2	43	NYJ	Stephen Hill		2	11	21	252	32003	2	44	WAS	Taylor Jacobs		2	56	37	384	22006	2	44	NYG	Sinorice Moss		4	37	39	421	32007	2	44	MIN	Sidney Rice		32	73	228	3361	272011	2	44	DET	Titus Young		8	26	81	990	102003	2	45	NWE	Bethel Johnson		8	50	39	606	42007	2	45	CAR	Dwayne Jarrett		4	32	35	428	12012	2	45	CHI	Alshon Jeffery		3	10	24	367	32002	2	46	NYG	Tim Carter		9	71	81	1090	42008	2	46	CIN	Jerome Simpson		11	41	97	1278	72002	2	47	CLE	Andre Davis		24	104	156	2470	172002	2	48	SDG	Reche Caldwell		20	71	152	1851	112008	2	49	PHI	DeSean Jackson		43	71	274	4785	232004	2	50	NOR	Devery Henderson	36	123	245	4377	202009	2	50	CLE	Mohamed Massaquoi	12	54	118	1745	72007	2	51	NYG	Steve Smith		23	64	245	2641	122008	2	51	WAS	Malcolm Kelly		3	21	28	365	02001	2	52	MIA	Chris Chambers		70	153	540	7648	582006	2	52	GNB	Greg Jennings		56	96	425	6537	532008	2	53	PIT	Limas Sweed		1	20	7	69	02003	2	54	ARI	Anquan Boldin		71	140	772	10165	582004	2	54	DEN	Darius Watts		4	22	33	407	12012	2	54	DET	Ryan Broyles		2	10	22	310	22005	2	55	BUF	Roscoe Parrish		14	90	134	1502	72005	2	58	GNB	Terrence Murphy		0	3	5	36	02008	2	58	TAM	Dexter Jackson		0	7			2011	2	58	BAL	Torrey Smith		16	32	99	1696	152011	2	59	CLE	Greg Little		10	32	114	1356	62003	2	60	TEN	Tyrone Calico		5	27	42	501	42010	2	60	SEA	Golden Tate		13	42	101	1297	102005	2	61	SDG	Vincent Jackson		61	107	344	6138	452002	2	62	PIT	Antwaan Randle El	42	143	370	4467	152004	2	62	CAR	Keary Colbert		15	75	130	1629	82002	2	63	DAL	Antonio Bryant		44	106	372	5685	302012	2	63	NYG	Rueben Randle		3	16	19	298	32011	2	64	GNB	Randall Cobb		18	30	105	1329	92002	2	65	NWE	Deion Branch		62	140	518	6644	39

 

[GregR]

Punter Shane Lechler coming for a visit Thursday.

 

[GregR]

Albert Breer ‏@AlbertBreer 7m

Ed Reed tells me via text that he's going to the Texans -- "Nothing official, but unless something changes, yes." So there you have it.

Edit:

Jason La Canfora ‏@JasonLaCanfora 5m

Ed Reed's deal with the Texans is for 2 years. While he struggled w/leaving BAL, his only team, the Texans courted him heavily all along

 

[TheFly06]

Still doubting that Ed Reed plays for Houston.

Reverse Jinx FOR THE WIN! Very shocked that we were able to sign someone like Reed. Glover is better in run support, but Reed should be much better in coverage. Not sure if this has been discussed, but I see us taking a offensive tackle in the first 3 rounds. Especially since I doubt a Winston or Vollmer will be able to sign here:"Kubiak said there are questions about RT Derek Newton, recovering from patellar tendon surgery, being able to participate in OTAs."From John McClain's twitter

 

[FF Ninja]

Yeah, for a team that looked so strong during the first month or two last year, we sure have a **** ton of holes to fill this offseason (which I did not feel was the case just one year ago). I know everyone keeps talking about WR in round one (as they have for the past couple years), but do you guys really want to see that? Aside from Boldin and to some extent DeSean Jackson, how many first year WRs taken at non-lottery pick level have actually filled the type of hole we are looking for? I really hope we sign a cheap vet to be our #2. I wouldn't be opposed to a rookie in round 3, but we've got a lot of holes to fill and we don't have time to wait for a rookie WR to develop.

I think you need to take one at some point though so he has time to develop. How long until Dre's production starts to drop off? Last year he was his old self, one of the very best in the NFL. But in 2-3 years we may be looking for someone else to take over as WR1. You want someone to be ready you probably need to draft them. Texans don't have the cash to sign someone like Wallace.Whether they should go WR in the 1st will depend on who is there though. If there is sufficient depth to get one who can develop in the 2nd, I'm fine with that if the WRs drop off before our pick and we'd have to reach. And just because I wondered the answer to your question as well, here are receivers since 2001 sorted by pick taken. CarAV is a PFR career approximate value stat.It looks like picks 22-30 actually have a decent hit rate for productive NFL receivers. Picks 31-49 not so much. But after that, a lot of guys that were productive through the end of the 2nd.

Productive, but not in year 1.It sounds like we're on the same page (we must develop a WR1), but most Texans fans are expecting an immediate starter from a rookie. That is pretty rare. We really need to find a cheap veteran to fill that hole while the rookie develops. I really hope we wait until the 3rd for our developmental guy. Too many other holes to fill.

 

[TheFly06]

Official details of Ed Reed's contract, from John McClain's twitter:

"Ed Reed is getting a 3 year deal worth $15 mil with $5 guaranteed."

 

[coolnerd]

Yeah, for a team that looked so strong during the first month or two last year, we sure have a **** ton of holes to fill this offseason (which I did not feel was the case just one year ago). I know everyone keeps talking about WR in round one (as they have for the past couple years), but do you guys really want to see that? Aside from Boldin and to some extent DeSean Jackson, how many first year WRs taken at non-lottery pick level have actually filled the type of hole we are looking for? I really hope we sign a cheap vet to be our #2. I wouldn't be opposed to a rookie in round 3, but we've got a lot of holes to fill and we don't have time to wait for a rookie WR to develop.

I think you need to take one at some point though so he has time to develop. How long until Dre's production starts to drop off? Last year he was his old self, one of the very best in the NFL. But in 2-3 years we may be looking for someone else to take over as WR1. You want someone to be ready you probably need to draft them. Texans don't have the cash to sign someone like Wallace.Whether they should go WR in the 1st will depend on who is there though. If there is sufficient depth to get one who can develop in the 2nd, I'm fine with that if the WRs drop off before our pick and we'd have to reach. And just because I wondered the answer to your question as well, here are receivers since 2001 sorted by pick taken. CarAV is a PFR career approximate value stat.It looks like picks 22-30 actually have a decent hit rate for productive NFL receivers. Picks 31-49 not so much. But after that, a lot of guys that were productive through the end of the 2nd.

Productive, but not in year 1.It sounds like we're on the same page (we must develop a WR1), but most Texans fans are expecting an immediate starter from a rookie. That is pretty rare. We really need to find a cheap veteran to fill that hole while the rookie develops. I really hope we wait until the 3rd for our developmental guy. Too many other holes to fill.

IMO, WR is the biggest real hole on this team both short and long term. I would not mind if the 2 of the first 4 picks are Wrs, especially if no veteran is signed. I think they almost have to sign a veteran though.

 

[coolnerd]

Adam Schefter ‏@AdamSchefter 43s

Houston gave former Raiders free-agent punter Shane Lechler a three-year contract. Lechler returns home to Houston.

Worth $5.5 million according to Schefter also with a $1 million signing bonus.

 

[coolnerd]

Adam Schefter ‏@AdamSchefter 43s

Houston gave former Raiders free-agent punter Shane Lechler a three-year contract. Lechler returns home to Houston.

Worth $5.5 million according to Schefter also with a $1 million signing bonus.

 

[GregR]

They kicked about the same last year, but you'd have to think that's a small upgrade. Every season of Lechler's but one was better than Jones' career average. Though Lechler's 4 years older.

 

[FF Ninja]

Adam Schefter ‏@AdamSchefter 43sHouston gave former Raiders free-agent punter Shane Lechler a three-year contract. Lechler returns home to Houston.Worth $5.5 million according to Schefter also with a $1 million signing bonus.

I like it. He has to be pumped to be on a real team and to be so close to home/family. I'm still anxiously awaiting a truly impactful signing, though. I'm pretty wary of Reed - solely because I'm always wary of aging/injury riddled veterans post-super bowl.