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Writers such as Evan Silver seem to think the Texans window is closed, predicting 9 or 10 wins (so not likely a Super Bowl run this year).. Despite an aging Andre Johnson, and a mediocre Schaub, I feel like this team keeps heading in the right direction.. Are they missing a QB, or are there many more worries that I'm missing?

 
Writers such as Evan Silver seem to think the Texans window is closed, predicting 9 or 10 wins (so not likely a Super Bowl run this year).. Despite an aging Andre Johnson, and a mediocre Schaub, I feel like this team keeps heading in the right direction.. Are they missing a QB, or are there many more worries that I'm missing?
Guy seems pretty pro-Colts, after his Texans arrow pointing down post he tweeted recently that the Bradshaw signing makes the Colts a favorite to win our division. Can't say I agree considering how bad the Colts Def was last year and some of their draft picks (not the positions but the individual guys selected) were head scratchers.The "window closing" meme has been thrown around a lot but I don't buy it. Our defensive core is super young (Watt, Cushing, J.Jo, Kareem,) Foster is only 27 plus we get solid to ok production in our system out of no-names so not worried if Foster goes down. Hopkins is a rookie but they have addressed the biggest need of a receiving threat with a 1st round rook. We have a 2 time All Pro left tackle who is only turning 28 this year. There are legit questions about Schaub but we have a solid, young core around the QB position. Hopefully some of these young guys can improve the LB'er spot tremendously, losing Barwin will end up being addition by subtraction IMO. We've got Swearinger to break-in and learn from Ed Reed which I think is directly related to 3 years ago when they threw Kareem into the deep end of the pool with no safety net.Will we win 12 games? Maybe not but that's not saying much, few teams can win 12 in back to back seasons. Unless Schaub just totally melts down, I see us consistently making the playoffs again for the next 2-3 years and then we will need to find a new QB. But by that point, so will Denver, Pitt & New England and the AFC will probably be wide open. Indy, Cinci & Balt are the only teams right now that have standout young QB's that don't need to worry any time soon about the position. Buff, NY & Miami are big maybe's with their young guys.

Only thing that worries me the next 2-3 years is if Wade decides to he wants a head coaching job again.

 
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Only thing that worries me the next 2-3 years is if Wade decides to he wants a head coaching job again.
Wade gets a lot of credit for turning that defense around, but two things should be considered. One, his personnel was much, much improved from the year before - 50% of our league worst secondary was replaced by the very good Daniel Manning and the absolutely excellent Johnathan Joseph, and JJ Watt was drafted. Two, his predecessor was inept. Kubiak is a very loyal fool. He will promote just about any schlub rather than hiring someone capable from outside the organization. IIRC, McNair forced Wade upon Kubiak. Kubiak didn't complain because, let's face it, he was lucky to still have a job. Kubes is a decent coach, but he is absolutely atrocious at hiring his staff, at clock management, and at challenges.

This is not to discredit Wade, though. He's a good DC. I just don't think the sky will fall if he departs (unless Kubiak is allowed to hire is replacement).

 
Only thing that worries me the next 2-3 years is if Wade decides to he wants a head coaching job again.
Wade gets a lot of credit for turning that defense around, but two things should be considered. One, his personnel was much, much improved from the year before - 50% of our league worst secondary was replaced by the very good Daniel Manning and the absolutely excellent Johnathan Joseph, and JJ Watt was drafted. Two, his predecessor was inept. Kubiak is a very loyal fool. He will promote just about any schlub rather than hiring someone capable from outside the organization. IIRC, McNair forced Wade upon Kubiak. Kubiak didn't complain because, let's face it, he was lucky to still have a job. Kubes is a decent coach, but he is absolutely atrocious at hiring his staff, at clock management, and at challenges.

This is not to discredit Wade, though. He's a good DC. I just don't think the sky will fall if he departs (unless Kubiak is allowed to hire is replacement).
That's the part that would worry me the most.

 
Schaub is an average QB at best, and he isn't going to put a team on his shoulders and win games himself. Which means you need a good defense to take that pressure off him. Unfortunately, New England exposed the formula for putting the game in Schaub's hands: Run a spread offense with 3 and 4 wides and expose our coverage schemes and the absolute lack of a linebacker that can cover a TE or RB out of the backfield. When you do this, you score points and it puts the pressure on Schaub to drive down the field and score, which means you can peel back your ears and come after him. When he's rattled, he turns the ball over or assumes the fetal position on the ground.

 
Schaub is an average QB at best, and he isn't going to put a team on his shoulders and win games himself. Which means you need a good defense to take that pressure off him. Unfortunately, New England exposed the formula for putting the game in Schaub's hands: Run a spread offense with 3 and 4 wides and expose our coverage schemes and the absolute lack of a linebacker that can cover a TE or RB out of the backfield. When you do this, you score points and it puts the pressure on Schaub to drive down the field and score, which means you can peel back your ears and come after him. When he's rattled, he turns the ball over or assumes the fetal position on the ground.
I agree with you, but we had a few problems last year - Joseph wasn't himself due to a groin (IIRC) injury, we had no replacement for Cushing when he went down, but even more importantly, we had absolutely no pass rush outside of Watt. That is just sad when you are running a 3-4 to have no pressure from your OLB. It is amazing our defense looked so good for half a season given this fact. If we can generate some decent pressure this year then all of our defensive problems will be washed away. Brady wouldn't make us look like chumps if he was under constant pressure. And then we wouldn't have to lean on Schaub. Additionally, I'm hoping we've remedied the right side of our offensive line by week 1 so that we can run the ball more effectively to take the pressure off of Schaub.

 
Only thing that worries me the next 2-3 years is if Wade decides to he wants a head coaching job again.
Wade gets a lot of credit for turning that defense around, but two things should be considered. One, his personnel was much, much improved from the year before - 50% of our league worst secondary was replaced by the very good Daniel Manning and the absolutely excellent Johnathan Joseph, and JJ Watt was drafted. Two, his predecessor was inept. Kubiak is a very loyal fool. He will promote just about any schlub rather than hiring someone capable from outside the organization. IIRC, McNair forced Wade upon Kubiak. Kubiak didn't complain because, let's face it, he was lucky to still have a job. Kubes is a decent coach, but he is absolutely atrocious at hiring his staff, at clock management, and at challenges.

This is not to discredit Wade, though. He's a good DC. I just don't think the sky will fall if he departs (unless Kubiak is allowed to hire is replacement).
That's the part that would worry me the most.
Essentially what I was thinking as well, it would be another good 'ole boy hire. Just look at Marciano, didn't fire him despite just abysmal special teams play last year.

 
Just did a quick run through the Texans free agent moves to try to get a glimpse of what compensatory picks might look like next year.

Lost:

Barwin: six-year, $36 million contract - 4th round pick
Quin: five-year, $23.5 million - 5th
James Casey: three-year, $12 million - 6th
Kevin Walter: 1 year, $1.005 million - 7th
Forsett: two-year, $2 million contract - 7th
Alan Ball: two-year, $2 million - 7th
Shane Graham: one-year, $1.005 million - 7th
Donnie Jones: 1 year, $905,000
Q Demps: one-year, $715,000


Signed:

Ed Reed: three-year, $15 million - 5th round pick
Lechler: three-year, $5.5 million - 7th
Greg Jones: 1-year, $1m - 7th

Compensatory picks depend mostly on average salary but are adjusted for playing time and awards as well. I listed above the round the player's contract is worth in a compensatory pick.

Each player lost nets you a pick in a given round based on those, and players signed offset them on a round for round basis, or canceling out a guy in the next higher round if there isn't anyone to cancel. To a max of 4 picks. So net affect, I think the Texans will get a 4th for Barwin. Reed will cancel out the 5th that Quin would have brought. Casey should be worth a 6th. And then it's up in the air if we'll get any 7ths... the cutoff point will climb a little this year and it was a little below $1m I believe.

So probably looking at a 4th and 6th assuming we don't sign anyone else major. With a possibility for up to a pair of 7th round picks.

Incidentally I used these for the round cut offs:

4th $5.5m+
Barwin $6m

5th About $4.1m to about $5.2m
Reed $5m
Glover Quin $4.7m

6th $2.5m to $4.1m
Casey $4m

7th About $900k to $2.5m

 
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Andre Johnson losing 'half-step' increases WR urgencyBy Kevin Patra NFL.com

Finding cohorts to play alongside the aging wide receiver Andre Johnson has been the focus for the Houston Texans this offseason.

While rookie DeAndre Hopkins is slated to fill a big void as the No. 2 receiver, according to Len Pasquarelli, writing for the National Football Post, the Texans have "privately allowed" that they must develop one of the other young wide receivers as well.

Johnson's production hasn't dropped off. The 10-year veteran had 112 catches and 1,598 yards in 2012.

The reason for the urgency in the Texans organization, according to Pasquarelli, is the notion that some opponents have suggested Johnson has "lost perhaps a half-step, and isn't as explosive."

Johnson's game tape agrees with that assessment and it's not a shock for a soon-to-be 32-year-old to lose a bit of athleticism. However, as he demonstrated last season, the former Hurricane isn't reliant on his explosiveness. His size and hands will allow him to play effectively well into his mid-to-late 30s, if he so chooses.

The Texans need to get production out of DeVier Posey -- who showed flashes last season -- Keshawn Martin and Lestar Jean to diversify their offense, not because Johnson lost a step.

Follow Kevin Patra on Twitter @kpatra.
 
Forbes put out their list of the most valuable sports franchises in the world. Texans came in #13 overall, and 5th amongst NFL teams behind the Cowboys, Patriots, Redskins and Giants.

Not at all bad for an 11 year old team.

 
Dates for Texans training camps open to the public have been announced at http://www.houstontexans.com/news/article-2/Texans-announce-dates-times-for-open-practice/7fd60ff1-766c-4ff3-9268-8df440f2c08d

Tickets can be downloaded on Wednesday.

WHAT: 2013 Houston Texans Training Camp presented by XFINITY

WHEN: Tuesday, July 30 8-10 a.m.
Wednesday, July 31 8-10 a.m.
Thursday, August 1 8-10 a.m.
Friday, August 2 8-10 a.m.
Monday, August 5 8-10 a.m.
Tuesday, August 6 8-10 a.m.
Wednesday, August 7 8-10 a.m.

WHERE: Methodist Training Center
Fan parking in Coors Light Purple Lot

Free tickets can be printed from the Texans official website, www.HoustonTexans.com, beginning at 10 a.m. on Wednesday, July 17, with a limit of four per person, per practice while supplies last. Tickets for Youth Day on August 5 will be available exclusively at Houston-area Academy Sports Outdoors locations while supplies last as well. Bleacher seating at each practice session is general admission.
 
No weekend practices? Some of us have to work... :-(
I might take each morning off to go. I feel ya though.
Every morning? Greg are you the season ticketholder i always see at the training camp practices with the texans hard hat and bobblehead on top?
Oh no, I couldn't fit a hard hat on top of my foam head with the bull horns. ;)

Nah, but I do like to go out and get a look at rookies and younger players though. I didn't make it last year due to work, but I try to do a camp report in the forum here whenever I can go. Buck and I met up at one a couple of years ago. Really hard to say a lot based on just a few glimpses. Though I ended up drafting Foster in a rookie draft in part based on having noticed him in camp. Not that I thought he was going to turn into what he has by any means.

One thing I find interesting though is how many players who look good in camp sessions I've seen, then end up cut. Others make it though, like I remember when I saw Brayman as a rookie I kept continually checking my printed out roster to see who that #50 was who kept being really noticeable on plays.

 
If anyone does want training camp tickets, I suggest being online to order them as soon as they open.

They had a preorder available for season ticket subscribers, and after having a password problem, I was only able to get through getting tickets to the first session before the allotment ran out.

 
If anyone has an extra Aug 7 training camp pass please let me know.

If anyone wants, I have 3 extra June 30 passes, and 1 extra each for Aug 1 and Aug 5.

 
2013 Houston Texans Training Camp: Brennan Williams To Start Camp On PUP List

With Derek Newton coming off knee surgery, Texans are left with lousy vet Ryan Harris and rookie David Quessenbury. Needless to say, I'm already worried. Seems like RT will be a weakness once again this season. Last season was a disaster at that position, along with RG. And no, Winston ain't walking through that Texans door.

Also, 3rd rounder Sam Montgomery was placed on the non-injury list. Some say he showed up out of shape, not confirmed why he went on the list. He had question marks at LSU, hence his fall to the 3rd round.

I'm a Houston fan, so I can't help but be pessimistic.

 
TheFly06 said:
2013 Houston Texans Training Camp: Brennan Williams To Start Camp On PUP List

With Derek Newton coming off knee surgery, Texans are left with lousy vet Ryan Harris and rookie David Quessenbury. Needless to say, I'm already worried. Seems like RT will be a weakness once again this season. Last season was a disaster at that position, along with RG. And no, Winston ain't walking through that Texans door.

Also, 3rd rounder Sam Montgomery was placed on the non-injury list. Some say he showed up out of shape, not confirmed why he went on the list. He had question marks at LSU, hence his fall to the 3rd round.

I'm a Houston fan, so I can't help but be pessimistic.
Disclaimer: pointless hindsight post

Seeing as we drafted Swearinger, I wish we'd given Reed's contract to Winston. :kicksrock:

 
"Hey Matt, hey Arian... you guys feel like each kicking in an extra million to get Winston back...?"

 
Montgomery was cleared for practice Thursday and practiced today. So looks like the earlier designation was for reporting out of shape.

 
Eric Winston signed with Arizona.
Reportedly it is a 1 year Vet Min contract with bonuses for starting games. Put me in the camp that thinks the reason he remained unsigned for so long is not because of money, something must not be right with him anymore.

 
LB Joe Mays, the one who hit Schaub in Denver and tore off part of his ear, is coming in for a visit with the Texans. Adam Caplan says according to a source, the team is ready to make him an offer during the visit.

 
Eric Winston signed with Arizona.
Reportedly it is a 1 year Vet Min contract with bonuses for starting games. Put me in the camp that thinks the reason he remained unsigned for so long is not because of money, something must not be right with him anymore.
I still consider him an upgrade from what the Cardinals had last season and as a Viking fan glad that the Bears did not sign him.

I totally agree there must be something about Winston I am unaware of that caused the Texans and Chiefs to let him go.

 
Joe Mays worked out after morning practice and was signed. Texans need ILB depth.

Texans signed ILB Joe Mays

per John mcclain

 
I guess I'm cool with Mays signing on the cheap. We need all the LB depth we can get. Darryl Sharpton is already hurt with groin issues. Typical of him.

 
Biabreakable said:
Eric Winston signed with Arizona.
Reportedly it is a 1 year Vet Min contract with bonuses for starting games. Put me in the camp that thinks the reason he remained unsigned for so long is not because of money, something must not be right with him anymore.
I still consider him an upgrade from what the Cardinals had last season and as a Viking fan glad that the Bears did not sign him.

I totally agree there must be something about Winston I am unaware of that caused the Texans and Chiefs to let him go.
I don't mean to belittle the signing for the 'Cards, just that there were a lot of Texans fans clamoring for him and money was thought to be the issue. And yet he was out there unsigned for a long time and finally landed somewhere for the Vet Minimum. Lots of teams need help on the right side, makes me wonder if where there's smoke, there's fire.

 
so we get a washed up Bradie James last year and now a washed up Joe Mays this year. I wish they would address that position properly. When Cush went down, our interior was porous and no one can cover a TE.

 
Let me give y'all the Bronco fan perspective of Mays: special teams ace, probably miscast as starting LB. Takes bad angles, gets lost in coverage, but man he can hit. Not just the Schaub hit, he layed Moeaki out pretty good a couple years ago too. His nickname on a Broncos forum I frequent is "idiot cannonball". The alleged reason he lost the starting gig was an inability to get the plays called on time in huddle vs NE. Great guy though, the guys in the press really liked him and apparently coaches/teammates did as well.

He'll be adequate in run support but wouldn't want him near starting.

 
Let me give y'all the Bronco fan perspective of Mays: special teams ace, probably miscast as starting LB. Takes bad angles, gets lost in coverage, but man he can hit. Not just the Schaub hit, he layed Moeaki out pretty good a couple years ago too. His nickname on a Broncos forum I frequent is "idiot cannonball". The alleged reason he lost the starting gig was an inability to get the plays called on time in huddle vs NE. Great guy though, the guys in the press really liked him and apparently coaches/teammates did as well.

He'll be adequate in run support but wouldn't want him near starting.
Sounds perfect for a 2 down LBer and probably better than anything the texans had.

 
Let me give y'all the Bronco fan perspective of Mays: special teams ace, probably miscast as starting LB. Takes bad angles, gets lost in coverage, but man he can hit. Not just the Schaub hit, he layed Moeaki out pretty good a couple years ago too. His nickname on a Broncos forum I frequent is "idiot cannonball". The alleged reason he lost the starting gig was an inability to get the plays called on time in huddle vs NE. Great guy though, the guys in the press really liked him and apparently coaches/teammates did as well.

He'll be adequate in run support but wouldn't want him near starting.
Sounds perfect for a 2 down LBer and probably better than anything the texans had.
Correct. He won't see 3rd down for the Texans anyway. As long as he's better than Bradie James was last year, I'll take it. Very interested in who wins the 3rd RB job. I see Ben Tate leaving after this season, with his rookie deal expiring. So this years 3rd stringer might be Foster's backup in 2014.

 
The Texans lack a team identity and more to the point a general nastiness. I do not mean this to be an attack on them but I was just wondering if you all see the same thing or am I way off base?

I will go a little more into it. The Texans are fine with getting a lead and grinding out the win. I personally would like to see them running up the scores a little bit, going for more TDs in the 4th instead of FGs, generally just playing with more aggression. I think it is a combination of Schuab and Kubiak who both seem to be more passive types. I think it leads this team into a "we are going to come to work, do our job and that should work." Clearly, these are professional players and I don't think anybody is actually saying those words to themselves or anyone else but it is a subtle message that can be felt. Not to mention the fact that emotion driven teams are the ones who usually get "hot." Cushing come back and Ed Reed should help improve this aspect of the team but I was wondering what your guys thoughts on this were.

 
Biabreakable said:
Eric Winston signed with Arizona.
Reportedly it is a 1 year Vet Min contract with bonuses for starting games. Put me in the camp that thinks the reason he remained unsigned for so long is not because of money, something must not be right with him anymore.
I still consider him an upgrade from what the Cardinals had last season and as a Viking fan glad that the Bears did not sign him.

I totally agree there must be something about Winston I am unaware of that caused the Texans and Chiefs to let him go.
I don't mean to belittle the signing for the 'Cards, just that there were a lot of Texans fans clamoring for him and money was thought to be the issue. And yet he was out there unsigned for a long time and finally landed somewhere for the Vet Minimum. Lots of teams need help on the right side, makes me wonder if where there's smoke, there's fire.
Agreed. It really puzzled me when the Texans let him go in the 1st place as everything I have read rates his play pretty highly. I do not know what the fire is, but there must be some reason why he is not getting the money to match his play.

 
The Texans lack a team identity and more to the point a general nastiness. I do not mean this to be an attack on them but I was just wondering if you all see the same thing or am I way off base?

I will go a little more into it. The Texans are fine with getting a lead and grinding out the win. I personally would like to see them running up the scores a little bit, going for more TDs in the 4th instead of FGs, generally just playing with more aggression. I think it is a combination of Schuab and Kubiak who both seem to be more passive types. I think it leads this team into a "we are going to come to work, do our job and that should work." Clearly, these are professional players and I don't think anybody is actually saying those words to themselves or anyone else but it is a subtle message that can be felt. Not to mention the fact that emotion driven teams are the ones who usually get "hot." Cushing come back and Ed Reed should help improve this aspect of the team but I was wondering what your guys thoughts on this were.
I'm guessing your point on a lack of "nastiness" is directed only at the offense. The defense, with JJ, Ninja, Cushing, and Joseph, has alot of nastiness. I do think Kubiak is somewhat conservative with his playcalling, but I don't think he is trying for field goals over TDs or trying not to close out an opponent. He is a run first coach. He wants to run the ball when he has a lead, somewhat to the point of stubbornness. Unfortunately, the whole right side of the oline has not been up to the task to allow them to be a grinding run based offense. So then you have to turn to Schaub on the playaction, and frankly, his decision making was sub par last season. Couple that with an already weak arm and it didn't end well. The defense getting healthy again will make a big difference, but the bottom line is this team will only go as far as Schaub can take them. No one in the media is saying it, but I really think this is a make or break year for him. If he doesn't lead this team they need to bring in legitimate competition next year.

 
At camp. Seating setup sucks. They have covered vip section blocking view of a lot of field. Am at 10 yard line at what is normally worst end of field. And I got hete pretty early. :(

 
At camp. Seating setup sucks. They have covered vip section blocking view of a lot of field. Am at 10 yard line at what is normally worst end of field. And I got hete pretty early. :(
Can you watch the RBs behind Tate? I'd really like to know which one of them will stand out.

 
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