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How 'bout them Reds! (1 Viewer)

Rustoleum said:
Looking for anything to help weather the likely dreadful season at hand.

Imaginary prop bets:

Hamilton steals < > Reds wins

Votto HR's < > games Reds finish behind NL Central winner
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YTD:

Hamilton 17, Reds Win Total 28 (thought Billy would have a few more)

Votto 11, Games Back: 20 (ouch)

 
It's really too bad Denny's doesn't have much of a presence here. They're really missing out on some prime marketing opportunities.

 
I know it's the 14th inning, and it's the Reds, but this blonde directly behind home plate is killing me. A foul ball went up and over the screen, everyone else stands up to track it, and she remains totally locked onto her phone. Surprised Ohlendorf hasn't thrown one right off the screen just to see if he can get a reaction.

The only time I saw her move in the last 6 inningswas to take a sip of beer, and that's another thing, who the hell has any beer left in the 14th freaking inning!?!

edit: very next pitch gets rocked off the wall to drive in the winning run, nary an eyelash was batted.

 
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Bruce and Cozart on their way out. The front office must be kicking themselves everyday thinking about how they're stuck with these Votto and Phillips contracts.

 
Fat Drunk and Stupid said:
At least Phillips is off the books next October.  Votto's will end up being worse that Pujols deal.
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Surprised the Jays haven't been on the phone looking to make a low ball deal for Votto.  I don't know if he has a no trade clause but I don't think he would block a deal to Toronto.

What would the Reds need to do? Pay half the salary?  Or more?

 
trogg78 said:
Way to go Scott Schebler! Walk off Homerun.
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Schebler wanting that LF job. He was tearing it up in the AAA being named the leagues player of the month for July

3 hits today including 3 run shot in the 9th to beat the Cards. Maybe the Reds made out in the Frazier deal after all.

 
Well, it's obvious the bullpen is much improved with Iglesias/Lorenzen back there. Is keeping those two in the pen a "just for this season thing" to limit their innings as they come back from injuries, or likely to be a permanent thing?

I get that they aren't really trying to win this season, but long-term these guys are more valuable as starters aren't they?

At any rate, team is playing pretty well right now. Don't know if it's a post trade adrenalin rush or if they can sustain a .500 or better clip for the rest of the year.

 
I don't think Lorenzen is good enough to be in the rotation and I'm not sure Iglesias is durable enough to be in rotation. I think it's long term on both, but I'd love to be wrong about Iglesias. 

 
Rustoleum said:
YTD:

Hamilton 17, Reds Win Total 28 (thought Billy would have a few more)

Votto 11, Games Back: 20 (ouch)
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Imaginary prop bet update:

Hamilton steals: 43, Reds wins:45 ( Billy on a bit of a run, so to speak,)

Votto HR: 18, Games behind in division: 24 (glass half full: only dropped 4 games in 6 weeks, glass half empty: won like 6 out of 7 series and still losing ground, What glass?: we still suck.)

 
Went to the game last night.  Lorenzen homer and curtain call was pretty cool.  

 
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What are the predictions for 2017?
  Opening day line up?  Opening day rotation?  Predictions for 2017 record?  Predictions on where they finish in 2017?

Not necessarily including this link for the story itself,  as much as I am for for the comments section.

https://redlegnation.com/2016/10/02/best-case-scenario-for-the-2017-cincinnati-reds/

The one item I'm curious to see is the continued development of Billy Hamilton.  Will he take another step forward or has he hit his ceiling?

 
They were at/near .500 for the 2nd half, I think.  If they can spend a few bucks and assemble a less-than-historically-awful bullpen, they could at least threaten > 80 wins.

 
Anything is possible if Reed and Stephenson are ready and Homer is healthy and Mesoraco can somehow catch and remember how to hit and Duvall keeps it up and a million other things.  This thing is held together with strings and tape though.  The minute anything goes wrong, the backup plan is pretty much oh well, draft high again.

 
It wasn't a great year for the Reds' prospects.  Stephenson, Reed and Garrett are high potential arms but all have struggled with command.  They need one of those guys to develop like DeSclafani which isn't always a straight patch.

But at least they have a bunch of arms who could develop.  None of their young bats took a big step forward, except maybe for Scott Schebler who has limited upside.  Jesse Winker's power disappeared this year.  Not sure if he was hurt but he has a lot to prove next year.  His command of the strike zone is still impressive.

 
I get trading Phillips, but I don't see how trading for a guy coming off his 2nd Tommy John surgery, a 29 year old A ball pitcher, and paying all but $1 million of BP's salary helps the franchise in any way. 

They'll spend that much in medical bills alone, so there is no cost savings.

Castellini must have had some sort of election bet with Braves ownership.....

 
They wanted him out of the way and straight releasing him wouldn't have sat well with a big chunk of the fan base.  

 
Amir Garrett and Rookie Davis are opening the season in the starting rotation.  Garrett had a very good 2016 and is pretty highly regarded.  Rookie Davis has a cool name and has had a better spring than the other rotation contenders.

I'd stay away from the Reds starters in redrafts unless you can get DeSclafani as a last rounder.

 
Reed is probably going to be the best of the bunch and he's likely starting in the ML bullpen. Seems to be a plan to limit season long innings totals and develop him slowly. That's a throwback way to develop starters. 

The other surprise is not at least holding Amir down 10 days or whatever for Kris Bryant reasons. Odds are they will have a chance to option him down in a lost season and it will end the same but with pitchers you always have to fear an injury which would put him on the shelf racking up service time. Odd move but more fun than watching Tim Adleman. 

 
Garrett pitched 144 innings last year in AA/AAA so he'll probably be limited to 170 this year.  He started pitching relatively late so he doesn't have the mileage on his arm as others his age.  Maybe the Reds figure they can use his starts now and then demote him to save service time when DeSclafani and Bailey come back.  They had 14 and 15 different pitchers start games for them in 2015 and 2016 respectively; I'd expect more of the same this season.

 
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