How can a young kid be so messed up? (1 Viewer)

[NCCommish]

if you dont think seeing or doing something repeatedly desensitizes you to the act, you may be the one with mental issues.

Yes we keep hearing this but the reality is violent crimes are down in this country. In fact in 2010 violent crimes were committed at 1/3 the rate they were in 1994. 2012 saw the fifth straight year of declines in the US. Heck less cops were killed by gun violence last year than in 1890. So apparently desensitized or not it isn't leading to a wave of murdering children or anyone else for that matter.

So we should play more video games?

Maybe we should look for real causes instead of specious ones. And maybe we could actually get some of our mental health infrastructure back that Saint Ronny decided we didn't really need.

But violent crimes are going down... so what exactly is the problem?

One kid murdering another kid in cold blood is one too many wouldn't you say? Tens of thousands of mentally ill people wandering our streets is too many wouldn't you say?

 

[Judge Smails]

I'd first heard of this from my sister: A 9 year old boy (former student of hers) was at a playground a couple days ago with his brother and a friend. A 12 year old boy they didn't know called them over to the sandbox ...and promptly pulled a knife out of the sand and stabbed the 9 y.o. to death. The boys didn't know each other at all. The 12 y.o. walked to a nearby house, asked to use a phone, and calmly called 911 and then waited for the cops to arrest him. He will be tried as an adult.

The victim was a real sweet kid, I hear, and the oldest of 4 boys in a family that has very little. This CNN article has a link to a GoFundMe for those so inclined. TIA

http://www.cnn.com/2014/08/06/justice/michigan-boy-stabbing-death/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

I just can't comprehend how a 12 y.o. kid can be so disturbed to do something like this in such a cold-blooded manner. :(

Google "mental illness". HTH

Can a 12 year old ever just be evil?

without question. This is the extreme. But if they beat up little kids, are cruel to animals, etc it's an early sign of the demon seed.

 

[Cjw_55106]

Besides the obvious mental health issues, you need to look at the home life and parents. I'd have to imagine there was either neglect, abuse, or something terribly wrong to not catch any warning signs or just disregard.

Sometimes parents don't want to believe what they have on their hands. And even though they won't admit it they do recognize it and then shun the child because at the end of the day he scares them. That could have been the reason for his no one loves me thing. Or that could just be manipulative behavior we would expect from someone with a severe pathology.

It will be interesting to hear the backdrop on this 12 y.o. and the environment he comes from. Not sure that we'll learn anything new from it (unless it involves skinny jeans).

According to his half brother's mother, he was bullied and moved to NY to live with his dad. He didnt know anyone there and felt lonely so he moved back to Michigan in June.

 

[Cjw_55106]

Jamarion’s defense has already requested a competency hearing to determine if he is capable to stand trial.

 

[Officer Pete Malloy]

You guys are right. Our violent society has nothing to do with any of this. Carry on.

Be careful switching gears that fast. You might screw up your transmission.

Your original point was about VIDEO GAMES not our society.

Im not switching anything. Kids get their violence through video games more than anywhere else. No, i dont have a link...its just my speculation.

What the hell does "get their violence" mean?

And the bold pretty much sums it up. You're just spouting crap at this point.

Where do they see or have violence in their lives. I dont think figuring out what "get their violence" means is really that difficult.

So, once again, you believe that kids seeing violence causes violence. Is this correct?

 

[Ilov80s]

I worked with a 7 year old that fantasized about killing people. He very matter of fact told me when he gets bigger, he was going to hammer nails into the bottom of his shoes and stomp people to death.

 

[NCCommish]

Besides the obvious mental health issues, you need to look at the home life and parents. I'd have to imagine there was either neglect, abuse, or something terribly wrong to not catch any warning signs or just disregard.

Sometimes parents don't want to believe what they have on their hands. And even though they won't admit it they do recognize it and then shun the child because at the end of the day he scares them. That could have been the reason for his no one loves me thing. Or that could just be manipulative behavior we would expect from someone with a severe pathology.

It will be interesting to hear the backdrop on this 12 y.o. and the environment he comes from. Not sure that we'll learn anything new from it (unless it involves skinny jeans).

Yes it will. I will be very interested in hearing from his neighbors as well. Tales of pet killing or abusing other kids will be enlightening.

 

[Cjw_55106]

You guys are right. Our violent society has nothing to do with any of this. Carry on.

Be careful switching gears that fast. You might screw up your transmission.

Your original point was about VIDEO GAMES not our society.

Im not switching anything. Kids get their violence through video games more than anywhere else. No, i dont have a link...its just my speculation.

What the hell does "get their violence" mean?

And the bold pretty much sums it up. You're just spouting crap at this point.

Where do they see or have violence in their lives. I dont think figuring out what "get their violence" means is really that difficult.

So, once again, you believe that kids seeing violence causes violence. Is this correct?

I believe it is a factor.

 

[Gary Coal Man]

I worked with a 7 year old that fantasized about killing people. He very matter of fact told me when he gets bigger, he was going to hammer nails into the bottom of his shoes and stomp people to death.

Jewish kid?

 

[irish eyes]

You guys are right. Our violent society has nothing to do with any of this. Carry on.

Be careful switching gears that fast. You might screw up your transmission.

Your original point was about VIDEO GAMES not our society.

Im not switching anything. Kids get their violence through video games more than anywhere else. No, i dont have a link...its just my speculation.

What the hell does "get their violence" mean?

And the bold pretty much sums it up. You're just spouting crap at this point.

Where do they see or have violence in their lives. I dont think figuring out what "get their violence" means is really that difficult.

So, once again, you believe that kids seeing violence causes violence. Is this correct?

I believe it is a factor.

So once again, let's blame everyone & everything else except for the little @#@# head that actually committed the crime. That is the problem with our society. He better never see the light of day again.

 

[Ilov80s]

I worked with a 7 year old that fantasized about killing people. He very matter of fact told me when he gets bigger, he was going to hammer nails into the bottom of his shoes and stomp people to death.

Jewish kid?

I'm sure that's a reference to something, but I'm missing it.

 

[NCCommish]

You guys are right. Our violent society has nothing to do with any of this. Carry on.

Be careful switching gears that fast. You might screw up your transmission.

Your original point was about VIDEO GAMES not our society.

Im not switching anything. Kids get their violence through video games more than anywhere else. No, i dont have a link...its just my speculation.

What the hell does "get their violence" mean?

And the bold pretty much sums it up. You're just spouting crap at this point.

Where do they see or have violence in their lives. I dont think figuring out what "get their violence" means is really that difficult.

So, once again, you believe that kids seeing violence causes violence. Is this correct?

I believe it is a factor.

So once again, let's blame everyone & everything else except for the little @#@# head that actually committed the crime. That is the problem with our society. He better never see the light of day again.

There is this thing called mental illness. You may be familiar with it.

 

[Gary Coal Man]

I worked with a 7 year old that fantasized about killing people. He very matter of fact told me when he gets bigger, he was going to hammer nails into the bottom of his shoes and stomp people to death.

Jewish kid?

I'm sure that's a reference to something, but I'm missing it.

http://alcoapresentsdefinitelynotajew.tumblr.com/

 

[Officer Pete Malloy]

So once again, let's blame everyone & everything else except for the little @#@# head that actually committed the crime. That is the problem with our society. He better never see the light of day again.

Of course we could also try to figure out why a 12 year old kid would do something like this so that we could prevent it from happening again. I don't know. Maybe I'm just talking crazy here.

 

[Cjw_55106]

You guys are right. Our violent society has nothing to do with any of this. Carry on.

Be careful switching gears that fast. You might screw up your transmission.

Your original point was about VIDEO GAMES not our society.

Im not switching anything. Kids get their violence through video games more than anywhere else. No, i dont have a link...its just my speculation.

What the hell does "get their violence" mean?

And the bold pretty much sums it up. You're just spouting crap at this point.

Where do they see or have violence in their lives. I dont think figuring out what "get their violence" means is really that difficult.

So, once again, you believe that kids seeing violence causes violence. Is this correct?

I believe it is a factor.

So once again, let's blame everyone & everything else except for the little @#@# head that actually committed the crime. That is the problem with our society. He better never see the light of day again.

 

[sublimeone]

if you dont think seeing or doing something repeatedly desensitizes you to the act, you may be the one with mental issues.

Yes we keep hearing this but the reality is violent crimes are down in this country. In fact in 2010 violent crimes were committed at 1/3 the rate they were in 1994. 2012 saw the fifth straight year of declines in the US. Heck less cops were killed by gun violence last year than in 1890. So apparently desensitized or not it isn't leading to a wave of murdering children or anyone else for that matter.

So we should play more video games?

Maybe we should look for real causes instead of specious ones. And maybe we could actually get some of our mental health infrastructure back that Saint Ronny decided we didn't really need.

But violent crimes are going down... so what exactly is the problem?

One kid murdering another kid in cold blood is one too many wouldn't you say? Tens of thousands of mentally ill people wandering our streets is too many wouldn't you say?

I just find your logic amusing

 

[badmojo1006]

What effed up thoughts are running through this kids head that he kills the kid, calls the cops and want them to kill him?

I don't know where to place the hate

 

[Officer Pete Malloy]

What effed up thoughts are running through this kids head that he kills the kid, calls the cops and want them to kill him?

I don't know where to place the hate

Video games, duh.

 

[NCCommish]

if you dont think seeing or doing something repeatedly desensitizes you to the act, you may be the one with mental issues.

Yes we keep hearing this but the reality is violent crimes are down in this country. In fact in 2010 violent crimes were committed at 1/3 the rate they were in 1994. 2012 saw the fifth straight year of declines in the US. Heck less cops were killed by gun violence last year than in 1890. So apparently desensitized or not it isn't leading to a wave of murdering children or anyone else for that matter.

So we should play more video games?

Maybe we should look for real causes instead of specious ones. And maybe we could actually get some of our mental health infrastructure back that Saint Ronny decided we didn't really need.

But violent crimes are going down... so what exactly is the problem?

One kid murdering another kid in cold blood is one too many wouldn't you say? Tens of thousands of mentally ill people wandering our streets is too many wouldn't you say?

I just find your logic amusing

Not sure what you find amusing. The fact that violent crime overall is going down? Or maybe it's the idea that we need more mental health treatment availability? Those two facts don't cancel each other out in reality world but as long as you are getting a chuckle that's all that matters.

 

[tri-man 47]

According to his half brother's mother, he was bullied and moved to NY to live with his dad. He didnt know anyone there and felt lonely so he moved back to Michigan in June.

Thanks ...hadn't seen that yet. Broken family; bullied. I'm sure those are factors. But still - he invited the other kids over to play with him and they came. Why not just ...play?? :sigh:

 

[Joe Summer]

Can a 12 year old ever just be evil?

Sure.

And 150 years ago you would have said "Can a 12 year old ever just be possessed by the devil?"

 

[[icon]]

You guys are right. Our violent society has nothing to do with any of this. Carry on.

1) Gets anecdotal argument destroyed by facts

2) Signs off with vaguely-related, passive-aggressive assertion

It's like there's a playbook for this stuff out there somewhere.

 

[Cjw_55106]

You guys are right. Our violent society has nothing to do with any of this. Carry on.

1) Gets anecdotal argument destroyed by facts

2) Signs off with vaguely-related, passive-aggressive assertion

It's like there's a playbook for this stuff out there somewhere.

what facts are you referring to?

 

[NCCommish]

You guys are right. Our violent society has nothing to do with any of this. Carry on.

1) Gets anecdotal argument destroyed by facts

2) Signs off with vaguely-related, passive-aggressive assertion

It's like there's a playbook for this stuff out there somewhere.

what facts are you referring to?

In study after study there has never been a serious case for violent media causing violence. There has been some work that suggests it actually mitigates some violent tendencies as you get to work them out in a consequence free way. And there were always people who killed people for reasons all their own. Some of those people have been kids. What this child did today was horrific. But other kids have done as bad long before there was modern media. Humans are smart, violent animals. Our tendency to be social keeps us within the rules of the troop. But sometimes we make one that isn't into all that. And sometimes we create one with our behavior towards them. And sometimes it's a bit of both.

 

[Insein]

People laugh when you talk about video games and the psychological effect they can have. These games do desensitize people to violence. I have no idea if this kid played those kinds of games, but it wouldnt surprise me one bit.

I am a normal, mentally sound adult and after I played Blacks Ops for a couple weeks I would notice people at work walking behind cubicles and I would think I could snipe that guy. Of course, I dont even own a gun and dont have mental issues. If I did have issues or was a young child, I could easily see how these games can mess with their minds.

Can't the same be said about books and television?

Or milk. I bet he drank milk.

Or the news. Or his parents. Or his church pastor.

Nah its video games.

 

[Insein]

You guys are right. Our violent society has nothing to do with any of this. Carry on.

Be careful switching gears that fast. You might screw up your transmission.

Your original point was about VIDEO GAMES not our society.

Im not switching anything. Kids get their violence through video games more than anywhere else. No, i dont have a link...its just my speculation.

What the hell does "get their violence" mean?

And the bold pretty much sums it up. You're just spouting crap at this point.

Where do they see or have violence in their lives. I dont think figuring out what "get their violence" means is really that difficult.

Watching professional hockey?

 

[Gr00vus]

I worked with a 7 year old that fantasized about killing people. He very matter of fact told me when he gets bigger, he was going to hammer nails into the bottom of his shoes and stomp people to death.

Time for a national shoe registry and background checks before allowing shoe purchases.