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It wasn't really recovered by the Colts, so not a fumble lost? Doesn't really make sense, but maybe?
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It's not on yahoo or ESPN either. If your scoring is for fumbles lost, it may not count against Peyton.
Not if the lost fumble is recovered by the defense deep in the player's own territory. Giving up 2 points and then free kicking to about the 40 is better than giving a team 1st and Goal from the 10.
I'd rather give up possession and 2 points than give up 7 points and get the ball back. Elite offenses average about 3 points per drive, so the cost of a safety is really about 5 points, while the cost of a defensive touchdown is 7.
Have you never seen a game situation where it makes sense for the offense to strategically concede a safety?
Yes, but I've never seen a situation where you strategically allow yourself to get stripped of the ball.
Name a time outside of the SB when that happened?
I'd add 3.5 as fumbling with loss of possession in your own red zone, fairly equal to fumbling for a safety.
No one said otherwise. But some of you are still having trouble with the difference between "fumble" and "fumble lost." A fumble can not be lost unless it is gained by other team, and a ball fumbled out of the back of the end zone was gained by no one. This ain't difficult to understand.
It happens often enough that it should be covered by your rules. My point is, that unless you want your fantasy commissioner to decide what the intent of a player is on a particular play, all similar plays have to be handled the same way. Say, perhaps, next week a team decides to take an intentional safety. Perhaps they instruct the quarterback to run backwards and out of the back of the end zone on 4th down and hopefully burn some clock in the process. But the defense knows this, so they anticipate the snap count and blitz, and, say Troy Polamalu nearly beats the ball into the QB's hands... which he has done on occasion. So now the QB is still in the field of play, hasn't reached the end zone yet, and is in danger of being sacked at the 1 or 2 yard line and turning the ball over there instead of the intentional safety, which would be a strategic disaster. So, the QB intentionally "fumbles" by underhand tossing the ball out of bounds through the end zone. Safety accomplished.
I'm sorry, I'm new to football, didn't play peewee through college. I didn't realize a safety doesn't equal loss of possession. Sorry.
No comment from me... The fact that you can float some garbage out there like this ends it for me... I stopped reading after the first sentence.
Agree with everything you said. The league should change how that type of play is scored.
I realize you're being sarcastic, but technically a safety DOES NOT equal loss of possession.
Exactly. The team that gave up the safety may decide to onside kick, so the other team might not even get the ball; and even if they don't, the change in field position makes a huge difference in a safety-followed-by-kick situation rather than a normal fumble recovered at the spot.
When did I mention my league? Curious, point that out to me... Also, since when is a fumble for a safety a common play, how many times does this "common play" happen a season? All I said is the league should change how they score these types of plays.
You said you stopped reading after the first sentence. The first sentence was "It happens often enough that it should be covered by your rules." If you don't think common plays should be covered by the rules, you're wrong.
Yup, onside kicks after safeties are also very common - teams usually take those gambles from their own 20. So the less than 1% of the time the team onsides after a safety times the 8% a team recovers the onside kick doesn't equal change of possession how often? Sarnoff is the genius, do the math for us.
In every single instance in which a safety is given up, the team giving up the points starts the next play with possession. Feel free to explain how you think that means the other team controls the ball.
When did the defense recover it? If they'd recovered it, then it would've been a TD.
That's not the only example of why a safety does not equal "loss of possession".
Excellent point.
