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Englishteacher
Footballguy
I counted 4 correct out of 31. Maybe I'm off a couple but that's what I got.
phillyphan07
Footballguy
25. Philadelphia | Chad Johnson, WR, Oregon State: Johnson would have been off the board by this point in round one had it not been for his sub-par effort at the combine.
Flashback to 2001, Andy Reid is sitting in his draft bunker thinking: "Freddie Mitchell? Chad Johnson? Freddie Mitchell? Chad Johnson?... I better go with Freddie Mitchell, he's such a snappy dresser"
Flashback to 2001, Andy Reid is sitting in his draft bunker thinking: "Freddie Mitchell? Chad Johnson? Freddie Mitchell? Chad Johnson?... I better go with Freddie Mitchell, he's such a snappy dresser"
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
I don't think it's that important that he got the right player to the right team. That's nearly impossible, even for an insider.
He did pretty well in evaluating who was considered first round talent. 2001 NFL draft results.
He did pretty well in evaluating who was considered first round talent. 2001 NFL draft results.
LionsFan78
Footballguy
25. Philadelphia | Chad Johnson, WR, Oregon State: Johnson would have been off the board by this point in round one had it not been for his sub-par effort at the combine.
No way, I call
No way, I call
The Bears and Packers still would have been out of luck...lol.
Either way you cut it, Terrell or Robinson, Robinson or Terrell, you still lose.
Either way you cut it, Terrell or Robinson, Robinson or Terrell, you still lose.
BelichicksRevenge
Footballguy
He had Koren Robinson to the Bears and David Terrell to Seattle with the 7th and 8th picks. Two very evenly rated megabusts!
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
He got 26 of 31 first rounders.
Andre Carter
Damione Lewis
Dan Morgan
David Terrell
Deuce McAllister
Freddie Mitchell
Gerard Warren
Jamal Reynolds
Jamar Fletcher
Jeff Backus
Justin Smith
Kenyatta Walker
Koren Robinson
LaDainian Tomlinson
Leonard Davis
Marcus Stroud
Michael Bennett
Michael Vick
Nate Clements
Richard Seymour
Rod Gardner
Santana Moss
Steve Hutchinson
Todd Heap
Will Allen
Willie Middlebrooks
Guys he said should have been first rounders but weren't.
Chad Johnson
Chris Chambers
Fred Smoot
Kris Jenkins
Maurice Williams
Guys that went in the first that he didn't think would.
Adam Archuleta
Casey Hampton
Derrick Gibson
Reggie Wayne
Ryan Pickett
With the exception of Reggie Wayne, I'd say he pretty much nailed who did/should have gone in the first round.
Andre Carter
Damione Lewis
Dan Morgan
David Terrell
Deuce McAllister
Freddie Mitchell
Gerard Warren
Jamal Reynolds
Jamar Fletcher
Jeff Backus
Justin Smith
Kenyatta Walker
Koren Robinson
LaDainian Tomlinson
Leonard Davis
Marcus Stroud
Michael Bennett
Michael Vick
Nate Clements
Richard Seymour
Rod Gardner
Santana Moss
Steve Hutchinson
Todd Heap
Will Allen
Willie Middlebrooks
Guys he said should have been first rounders but weren't.
Chad Johnson
Chris Chambers
Fred Smoot
Kris Jenkins
Maurice Williams
Guys that went in the first that he didn't think would.
Adam Archuleta
Casey Hampton
Derrick Gibson
Reggie Wayne
Ryan Pickett
With the exception of Reggie Wayne, I'd say he pretty much nailed who did/should have gone in the first round.
Bob Wiley
Footballguy
It certainly would've been nice to have Chad Johnson.
shamrock84
Footballguy
Andy seems to be the only one making sense in here...
BoltBacker
Footballguy
Great post. Not a big fan of Kiper myself but based on what you pointed out I have to agree that is very impressive.
Chaos Commish
Footballguy
It seems like 24 or so usually a solid number. So 26 is above average. You'd like to see him match a few more to teams. Double digits is usually doable. Scott Wright matched 15 of the first 20 a few years ago, and Gosselin had 29 first rounders tabbed and 14 of them to the right team, iirc. So while Mel had good sources for who the 1st rounders were, he was pretty clueless in placement.
Getinthemix
Footballguy
People forget how much of a reach Richard Seymour to the Pats seemed at the time. Worked out well for them. Went against the "gotta get value" mantra you constantly hear about now.
Turbo
Footballguy
I agree. Not a fan of Kiper either but that's really besides the point of the post. I was just trying to point out what a different NFL it would be if these players went to the teams he predicted.
tombonneau
Footballguy
At least he eventually got Santana Moss right.
bigmurd
Footballguy
I have to wonder if Reggiw would be the Reggie of today had he not gone to INDY? I think Chad is good enough to have succeeded anywhere.So the Raiders could have had 28. Oakland | Todd Heap, TE, Arizona State: Or Reggie Wayne Or Chad Johnson. good job Al
Golden Mike Tomczak
Footballguy
Interesting...
Interseptopus
Footballguy
Go to the 2005, 06, 07 drafts and look at how accurate he was. He doesn't get more than like 40% right, if that. I know I've seen him get like 3 right... that's why mock drafts are G-A-Y. Created only for the amusement of the foolish
DropKick
Footballguy
Depends on who determines the value. I understand the Pats felt that Seymour and LT where the two studs in the 2001 draft. I can guarantee they value talent differently than the general public here.
DropKick
Footballguy
Obviously your ability to mind read and predict the future is far above that of the average human. Please post your PowerBall picks for this weekend. Thanks in advance.
Interseptopus
Footballguy
When did I ever say my picks were better? I said that's why mock drafts (draftS as in PLURAL) are stupid, because they are never right and they can't predict anything, no one really can read minds, predict who will do what. All it takes is one GM to change his mind, one player to slip, and the draft goes to hell.I don't do mock drafts for that reason. They're all based off need, and not all teams pick on need... in fact very few do now a daysEDIT: Go to ANY mock draft and see how acurate it was... it's not just Mel. All mock drafts are dumb. Maybe 8 picks right this year...Further EDIT: Mock drafts are solely created to amuse football fans with nothing else better to do that wait and get pumped for the draft. Hell, 2010 mock drafts are out I bet...
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Interseptopus
Footballguy
my point proven:http://www.nfldraftdog.com/Mock_Drafts/200..._mock_draft.htm
really really stupid...
DropKick
Footballguy
Actually, you've gone from claiming mock drafts are G-A-Y (not that there is anything wrong with that) and foolish to at least admitting there is some positive football discussion is assessing team needs and draft strategy and putting ourselves into the same position as a real GM, who we emulate in fantasy drafts.Of course the draft isn't going to go exactly as people predict, so what?
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
You're not saying anything that the rest of us don't know. You're just being more of a tool about it.Mock drafts aren't done so that people can bet on picks in Vegas. They're done so that a) people can learn about who the new prospects are that are entering the league, b) talk with other homers about what their teams need and who they may be targeting, and c) which players fans should be excited/disappointed about should their team draft them.If mock drafts are solely created to amuse football fans with nothing else better to do that wait and get pumped for the draft, then so are off-season message boards. Which leads me to ask why, if you're going to be so offensive to the interests of other people, are you here in the first place?
Reaper
Footballguy
I always wondered why people get so upset about Mock drafts as well as when you do them... If you do it in December people are like "WHOA, Way too early...." Thanks Guy.Why do we do any of this??? Are we 100% correct on our fantasy predictions.. NEVER...
It's to learn about the players - Learn about the teams and needs... To go back at past drafts and look at mistakes or successes and learn from that and it's TO HAVE FUN!!!
To me, the draft is FAR less the crapshoot people made it out to be 20 and even 10 years ago - There's so much more information, so many more people available with experience giving opinions, the NFL network has non stop information.... Going through the exercise of doing a mock and discussing it allows people to digest the TONS of information out there and help from opinions as well as knowledge we normally wouldn't know - Maybe from a fan of the school a player is from that watches every play.
To me it's what makes the NFL an all year Sport to follow and ENJOY!!!!!!
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Reaper
Footballguy
Whoa.. Thanks for that!!!!!!
Any opinions on some of those players? Do you watch and follow college ball? I'm sure some peopel who do would have some opinons and I'd love to hear it.....
PatrickT
Footballguy
1. San Diego | Michael Vick, QB, Virginia Tech: With a workout scheduled with the Chargers on Friday, it looks like GM John Butler is prepared to make Vick the first overall selection.
5. Atlanta | Justin Smith, DE, Missouri: While a big-time wide-out is needed, the Falcons also will be looking for more game-changing plays out of the DE position. Last year Patrick Kerney, Brady Smith and Chuck Wiley combined for only 11 sacks. Smith's forte is getting after the QB.
How different things could be in Atlanta right now...
5. Atlanta | Justin Smith, DE, Missouri: While a big-time wide-out is needed, the Falcons also will be looking for more game-changing plays out of the DE position. Last year Patrick Kerney, Brady Smith and Chuck Wiley combined for only 11 sacks. Smith's forte is getting after the QB.
How different things could be in Atlanta right now...
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Imagine Atlanta staying where they are, keeping the extra draft picks, and coming out of the draft with LT.
PatrickT
Footballguy
Oh sure, rub it in.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
I think AJ & butler wanted LT all along. Not Vick after the Leaf disaster
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
At least your franchise has a cool logo. 
switz
Footballguy
As far as I can recall, Kiper has been rather accurate in grading talent, but poor in evaluating team needs.
Jason Wood
Zoo York
Well, if you notice, he had the Broncos taking Freddie Mitchell in the pick before. People forget that Mitchell was, almost universally, considered the better WR prospect than Chad Johnson.
massraider
Footballguy
I have a question:
Was this his final mock? It says April 10. I am guessing this wasn't his final shot. Seems to me his last mock might be more accurate.
Also, Kiper's value has been as a talent evaluator, he has strong feelings about players. I don't think he's ever pretended to have inside sources telling him who is going where.
Whereas a guy like Gosselin doesn't know diddly about the players, but has a great network of sources, hence his accurate mock year after year.
Was this his final mock? It says April 10. I am guessing this wasn't his final shot. Seems to me his last mock might be more accurate.
Also, Kiper's value has been as a talent evaluator, he has strong feelings about players. I don't think he's ever pretended to have inside sources telling him who is going where.
Whereas a guy like Gosselin doesn't know diddly about the players, but has a great network of sources, hence his accurate mock year after year.
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Jason Wood
Zoo York
Exactly. Love him or hate him, Kiper has always been about who he thinks a team SHOULD draft, not trying to decipher who they actually WILL draft.
Turbo
Footballguy
and Vick might still have a career if Bad Newz Kennels was set up across the border from San Diego.
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Sabertooth
Footballguy
Ouch, Jamal Reynolds ahead of Richard Seymour. The Packers actually had Rod Gardner for a year. He sucked. But not as bad as Reynolds.
Lot's of Ron Wolf lovers forget that this was his last draft, and it stunk. He even blames it on Sherman. Just a total cluster.
Lot's of Ron Wolf lovers forget that this was his last draft, and it stunk. He even blames it on Sherman. Just a total cluster.
Illegal Pants Downfield
Footballguy
Who are you, where did you come from, and when are you leaving?
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