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Can it get any worse?
A bump up?
How high?
A bump up?
How high?
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How do you think the Schaub to Houston trade effects (1 Viewer)
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Footballguy
bump up Dayne to a top 40 back.
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Blackjacks
Footballguy
When the ball actually gets out of the qb hands I think everyone has a better chance to do more with it. I bump the whole offense except for maybe Andre Johnson (who I have). The reason is he had 100 catches last year, I don't know how much better he can get than that. Plus he had Moulds on his other side at that time to help take pressure off of him. I do think Schwaub will move the chains better than Carr did and the Texans will be a better team.
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Footballguy
40oz of malt liquor?
Jiggyonthehut
Footballguy
Well AJ certainly has to get a bump up for this. The extent? I'm not that certain but certainly it cant hurt. As for the running game, Im not sure it will appreciably affect it. However, I tend to think that more efficient Quarterbacking (less turnovers etc.) that will come with Schuab will lead to the opportunity for more offensive plays (only 5 teams had less # of total offensive plays than the Texans) and hence the running game has the potential to do better. But the state of the running game will rest ultimately on how that offensive line can battle injuries and mesh as a unit. There are a lot of talented players on that line, if they can put it together, whatever RB in the carousel is in for a nice season.
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Footballguy
Do I think he could...yes. Would I go on record saying I think he will....NO. I think until this team has more weapons and a qb has a couple more games under his belt I would take 1150 yards and 5 td's on 103 catches. I think Johnson has elite talent but I'm not getting ahead of myself. I would say Ahman gets the biggest bump here actually. Schaub is smart and is going to get told not to get sacked. Ahman is a very reliable reciever and he will be the dump man for Schaub this year. I could really see Ahman catches 70 passes this year.
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Footballguy
OK, just found it odd you brought up positives that indicated the QB would be better, but not lifting up AJ even if slightly.Do you tink Ahmans REC ability gives him more of an edge to be on the field more over the other RB's?
it can only help Johnson. He also never got downfield targets with Carr because Carr didnt have the courage to hang in and take a hit to make a throw. Schaub has already displayed that ability. Schaub doesn't have a big arm, but it's good enough. He really unlocked the potential of Brian Finneran, putting the ball up where only Finneran could make a play, and Johnson should flourish with that kind of QB.
prymetyme25
Footballguy
Carr didn't take downfield shots and was a real wuss. He seemed to only make the sure throws and didn't make the right reads quick enough. Carr had no pocket presence and no respect from teammates. I think Shaub is could be better at all of these things. Since he's being playing in this system since his freshman year at Virginia.Blackjacks
Footballguy
100% yes. That and the fact he is still a good rb. I think A. Green has a good chance to sneak into the top this year (I don't own him in any leagues) as long as he can stay healthy. He can catch, he'll get alot of touches and he can get the td's as well. The running game in Houston looked pretty good at the end of the year last year. In fact I would have had Dayne in the top 20 if they wouldn't have picked up Green or drafted a rb.
Blackjacks
Footballguy
I would love it if you were right and I do think he could put up better #'s but what I guess I was stating was I wouldn't expect a big jump from 103 catches. Could he get more deep passes I guess so but not getting greedy. What do you think of Green Sig?
Houston turmOiler
Footballguy
The OL is actually pretty decent at run-blocking. It's pass blocking they suck at. Although he's seen his best days, Ahman Green is much better than anyone we had running the ball last season. Dayne, Lundy, and Gado don't exactly scare people. Chris Taylor's a guy with a little bit of burst who might spell Green nicely. If I were a fantasy owner of Green, I'd like to see Taylor take about 5-10 carries a game to keep Ahman fresh and available to catch passes on 3rd downs. Not great but much better than last year's group and should be solid.
I haven't really gotten to see much of Schaub. Carr had no pocket presence whatsoever-he held the ball too long and really looked like he got more and more rattled as his career here went on. He took a beating, no doubt, but some of that was his fault. If Schaub is quick and decisive I think it will make the OL look better, and AJ should at least match last year's numbers. Yes, defenses will be heavily focused on him but Kubiak moves him all around. The lack of anyone else other than Owen Daniels should mean that AJ catches 100 passes pretty easily IMO. Carr also rarely threw deep; if Schaub can do a better job of that and hit AJ downfield a little more often it should improve AJ's YPC avg. (I think it was pretty low, around 11.5 or so) quite a bit. If they do that, AJ could have a big season yardage-wise, b/c I think they'll get him his catches. The TDs I'd project to around the same b/c the OL hasn't shown the improvement necessary for this to be a high-scoring offense, and there's also no threat whatsoever at the other WR spots.
Here are some BIG IFs: say the Texans drop down a little more in the draft. They grab Meachem, Bowe, Ginn, or Rice and he ends up being a big-time player. Charles Spencer checks out OK and comes back at tackle and Winston continues to improve. All of a sudden you've got an improving OL, 2 dynamic WRs, and Schaub at QB. Green and Taylor could be serviceable at RB for a year or two, and you upgrade at RB in the draft in '08. Could be a much more exciting offense sooner than we expect...
OK, you can wake me up now...
I haven't really gotten to see much of Schaub. Carr had no pocket presence whatsoever-he held the ball too long and really looked like he got more and more rattled as his career here went on. He took a beating, no doubt, but some of that was his fault. If Schaub is quick and decisive I think it will make the OL look better, and AJ should at least match last year's numbers. Yes, defenses will be heavily focused on him but Kubiak moves him all around. The lack of anyone else other than Owen Daniels should mean that AJ catches 100 passes pretty easily IMO. Carr also rarely threw deep; if Schaub can do a better job of that and hit AJ downfield a little more often it should improve AJ's YPC avg. (I think it was pretty low, around 11.5 or so) quite a bit. If they do that, AJ could have a big season yardage-wise, b/c I think they'll get him his catches. The TDs I'd project to around the same b/c the OL hasn't shown the improvement necessary for this to be a high-scoring offense, and there's also no threat whatsoever at the other WR spots.
Here are some BIG IFs: say the Texans drop down a little more in the draft. They grab Meachem, Bowe, Ginn, or Rice and he ends up being a big-time player. Charles Spencer checks out OK and comes back at tackle and Winston continues to improve. All of a sudden you've got an improving OL, 2 dynamic WRs, and Schaub at QB. Green and Taylor could be serviceable at RB for a year or two, and you upgrade at RB in the draft in '08. Could be a much more exciting offense sooner than we expect...
OK, you can wake me up now...
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Footballguy
Bout time you posted, you were typing for a while, I was expecting a big one...I agree with your assessment of Carr.I think they have alot more holes other than WR2 but trading down, possibly getting another pick, and getting one of those WR's sure does sound promising for the future.
prymetyme25
Footballguy
Blackjacks
Footballguy
11.1 ypc, pretty close.Good thoughts here
Hairy Snowman
Footballguy
I could see Andre repeating last years stats this year, but I agree it will be hard for him to do too much better.
I don't believe Schaub is the second coming. I just think he is good. I think its an upgrade, but for this year at least I think you will only see marginal improvement from the offense overall until the offensive line issues are addressed.
Lets not forget the Schaub looked pretty good behind a very good O-Line in Atlanta. I think this offense is still a year or two away from turning the corner.
I don't believe Schaub is the second coming. I just think he is good. I think its an upgrade, but for this year at least I think you will only see marginal improvement from the offense overall until the offensive line issues are addressed.
Lets not forget the Schaub looked pretty good behind a very good O-Line in Atlanta. I think this offense is still a year or two away from turning the corner.
Houston turmOiler
Footballguy
Well, we've filled spots at RB, OL, DT, and LB in free agency. I think the most IMMEDIATE needs now are WR and anywhere in the secondary. All we have after Andre is Kevin Walter (a 3 or 4 type), Jerome Mathis (an oft-injured KR who's shown little WR skill), and David Anderson. It's a HUGE need, and it makes sense b/c those WRs will be picked lower than 10th and we need to recoup a pick or two to fill other needs. You also don't go pay for a QB like that and leave him devoid of options.The secondary is also a huge concern. All we have is Robinson and Faggins (who should really be a nickel guy IMO). CC Brown is out of position (and really stinks) at FS, and Glenn Earl can't cover anyone at SS (even though he's pretty decent against the run). The rest of the secondary has guys like Dexter Wynn, Von Hutchins, Roc Alexander, and Jason Simmons if he's even back.
Blackjacks
Footballguy
Could you see Houston bringing in a guy like A. Bryant to go opposite side of AJ?
He is by far the best wr still on the market and I agree Houston needs to bring someonoe in.
He is by far the best wr still on the market and I agree Houston needs to bring someonoe in.
cstu
Footballguy
I'm expecting them to draft Landry at FS. He's the best secondary player in the draft and fills a big need. He was also probably part of their willingness to swap pick with the Falcons since they don't expect anyone else to take him.
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Footballguy
Very good points, WR is abigger need than I though.I figured they could address the sceondary, but taking a WR in the 1st is possibly the better move.
cstu
Footballguy
With a top WR like AJ, they don't need another stud. It's a very deep draft and there will be good ones on day two.
The situation is funny, really.
You have a lot of people saying that the acquisition of Schaub won't make a difference if he doesn't have time to throw the ball. This could be true, but this could also be false. Throughout the years Carr became more and more indecisive, hesistant to let go of the ball, and almost immobile. You will see many Texans fans drawing Bledsoe analogies.
The truth is, no one knows. The line was looking pretty solid with Spencer in at LT and then he goes down with a season ending injury in week 2. Enter veteran journeyman Ephraim Salaam who held his own for his age but should have never been starting games. And that was only the beginning. The Texans line was complete patchwork last season and the poor play is not a reflection of what we would see from the line we fielded on opening day.
So, when you take into account the hesistation and lack of pocket presence with David and the string of injuries on the line, you really don't know what you are going to get. The homer and optimist in me says a whole bunch of people are going to be awed next year. The realist in me says that Schaub will display considerably better pocket presence than Carr but the line will still be marginal (but functional.)
Time will only tell, but if I was a betting man I would bet on a noticable improvement from last year.
You have a lot of people saying that the acquisition of Schaub won't make a difference if he doesn't have time to throw the ball. This could be true, but this could also be false. Throughout the years Carr became more and more indecisive, hesistant to let go of the ball, and almost immobile. You will see many Texans fans drawing Bledsoe analogies.
The truth is, no one knows. The line was looking pretty solid with Spencer in at LT and then he goes down with a season ending injury in week 2. Enter veteran journeyman Ephraim Salaam who held his own for his age but should have never been starting games. And that was only the beginning. The Texans line was complete patchwork last season and the poor play is not a reflection of what we would see from the line we fielded on opening day.
So, when you take into account the hesistation and lack of pocket presence with David and the string of injuries on the line, you really don't know what you are going to get. The homer and optimist in me says a whole bunch of people are going to be awed next year. The realist in me says that Schaub will display considerably better pocket presence than Carr but the line will still be marginal (but functional.)
Time will only tell, but if I was a betting man I would bet on a noticable improvement from last year.
Houston turmOiler
Footballguy
I'd prefer we just trade down, draft one of those WRs and hope we hit on it. AJ and "rookie" could end up being a sweet pair a la Harrison/Wayne, Bruce/Holt.
If you remember the Denver offense back in the mid-to-late 90s, they had 2 good WRs. The #3 guy never did a lot, but Rod Smith/Ed McCaffery along with Shannon Sharpe at TE did some serious damage. Daniels isn't going to be Sharpe but I think he can be pretty solid. AJ's more talented than Smith or McCaffery IMO, and those mid-to-late 1st round WRs look pretty talented too. Walter would then be fine at #3, and then you could leave the WR position alone. It could work nicely. We'll get our RB in a year or two when the team gets better.
None of the free agent WRs have that kind of upside, and Bryant is a headcase looking for his 4th team. A trade down nets an extra pick or two and a better WR than any of these guys (at least in theory). Besides, we're not going to the playoffs this year so we might as well build this thing until Rick Smith and Kubiak can free us from "Charley Casserly Hell"....
If you remember the Denver offense back in the mid-to-late 90s, they had 2 good WRs. The #3 guy never did a lot, but Rod Smith/Ed McCaffery along with Shannon Sharpe at TE did some serious damage. Daniels isn't going to be Sharpe but I think he can be pretty solid. AJ's more talented than Smith or McCaffery IMO, and those mid-to-late 1st round WRs look pretty talented too. Walter would then be fine at #3, and then you could leave the WR position alone. It could work nicely. We'll get our RB in a year or two when the team gets better.
None of the free agent WRs have that kind of upside, and Bryant is a headcase looking for his 4th team. A trade down nets an extra pick or two and a better WR than any of these guys (at least in theory). Besides, we're not going to the playoffs this year so we might as well build this thing until Rick Smith and Kubiak can free us from "Charley Casserly Hell"....
Schaub is no polished vet.
Carr looked to Johnson alot. It'd probably be too much to expect Schaub to look Andre's way anymore(cmon other guys gotta catch the ball too) but I am hopeful better passes and a more fluid offense will equal better production with those catches for Andre.
More than 103 catches.....
Carr looked to Johnson alot. It'd probably be too much to expect Schaub to look Andre's way anymore(cmon other guys gotta catch the ball too) but I am hopeful better passes and a more fluid offense will equal better production with those catches for Andre.
More than 103 catches.....
Blackjacks
Footballguy
Without your 2nd rounder I think your not going to be able to get a guy that would fit perfect in your plans at wr. Mr. Gonzalez out of "THE OHIO STATE". I think he would be a great compliment to AJ but unless a trade is made to acquire someone else's 2nd rounder you won't get him. There is no way you take himt hat early in the first and he won't slide to the third round. To bad cause that would be a nice complimentary player.
buster c
Footballguy
fixed.Also, why does Schaub bring memories of Rob Johnson? Hell, even Doug Johnson. Hope he does better than these Johnsons
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Houston turmOiler
Footballguy
Does anyone know how to find stats on the Colts OL before Manning and his first few years? I just seem to recall how bad everyone said the Colts OL was when he was drafted, then (like 2 years later, I believe they were 13-3) they are being hailed as one of the better OLs in the league b/c they gave up a low number of sacks. You've got to attribute a good deal of that to Manning having a very quick release and being decisive with the ball. I think the QB makes A BIG DIFFERENCE in this area. Now I'm not trying to compare Schaub with Manning (I really haven't even seen much of Schaub), but merely illustrate how BAD David Carr was in this area. It seemed like Carr had decided by the time he reached the end of his drop to either dump it to the RB or scramble to the right and run out of bounds (which counted as a sack as well). Granted, the guy's ruined from the pounding he took b/c guys like Todd Wade, Seth Wand, and Ryan Young were awful, but I don't think I ever saw him just take a step up, or to the right or left, and then deliver a strike like an elite QB like Manning will do. If Schaub has any pocket presence whatsoever he'll make this OL look a lot better than Carr did....
Houston turmOiler
Footballguy
Didn't those guys have a productive year or two with Brian Griese as well, or am I off?
cstu
Footballguy
Just take Allison or Hill in the 3rd.
cstu
Footballguy
2000/2001 I believe.
Blackjacks
Footballguy
I don't think they were horrible with B. Brister either.
Billy1x
Footballguy
May be a big downgrade if they don't get an offensive line in place. How long can Schwab last if he gets sacked as much as Carr. Carr is an IRON MAN.
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
I am sure that somebody said this, but I don't really bump AJ up at all.
IMO the slight upgrade at QB doesn't offset losing Moulds on the other side of the field. IF they get a viable WR to take a little heat of AJ, then I'd bump him up a little. As it is right now, I see him putting up less #s this year.
IMO the slight upgrade at QB doesn't offset losing Moulds on the other side of the field. IF they get a viable WR to take a little heat of AJ, then I'd bump him up a little. As it is right now, I see him putting up less #s this year.
GRIDIRON ASSASSIN
Footballguy
I don't have a problem with this trade, but the Texans are a joke.
Mario Williams didn't have a sack during the second half of the season? Time for him to grow one and start playing like the #1 overall pick in the '06 draft.
When you take a look at who they could have drafted the past few years, and who they ended up drafting, it's a damn shame.
What a disaster:
2006
1 1 1 1 Mario Williams DE North Carolina State
2 2 1 33 DeMeco Ryans LB Alabama
3 3 1 65 Charles Spencer T Pittsburgh
4 3 2 66 Eric Winston T Miami (FL)
5 4 1 98 Owen Daniels TE Wisconsin
6 6 1 170 Wali Lundy RB Virginia
7 7 43 251 David Anderson WR Colorado State
2005
1 1 16 16 Travis Johnson DT Florida State
2 3 9 73 Vernand Morency RB Oklahoma State
3 4 13 114 Jerome Mathis WR Hampton
4 5 15 151 Drew Hodgdon C Arizona State
5 6 14 188 Ceandris Brown DB Louisiana-Lafayette
6 7 13 227 Kenneth Pettway LB Grambling State
2004
1 1 10 10 Dunta Robinson DB South Carolina
2 1 27 27 Jason Babin DE Western Michigan
3 4 26 122 Glenn Earl DB Notre Dame
4 6 5 170 Vontez Duff DB Notre Dame
5 6 10 175 Jammal Lord DB Nebraska
6 6 35 200 Charlie Anderson LB Mississippi
7 7 9 210 Raheem Orr DE Rutgers
8 7 10 211 Sloan Thomas WR Texas
9 7 47 248 B.J. Symons QB Texas Tech
2003s
1 2 0 0 Tony Hollings RB Georgia Tech
2003
1 1 3 3 Andre Johnson WR Miami (FL)
2 2 9 41 Ben Joppru TE Michigan
3 3 3 67 Antwan Peek LB Cincinnati
4 3 11 75 Seth Wand T Northwest Missouri State
5 3 24 88 Dave Ragone QB Louisville
6 4 4 101 Domanick Davis RB Louisiana State
7 6 19 192 Drew Henson QB Michigan
8 6 41 214 Keith Wright DT Missouri
9 7 3 217 Curry Burns DB Louisville
10 7 19 233 Chance Pearce C Texas A&M
2002s
1 6 0 0 Milford Brown G Florida State
2002
1 1 1 1 David Carr QB Fresno State
2 2 1 33 Jabar Gaffney WR Florida
3 2 18 50 Chester Pitts G San Diego State
4 3 1 66 Fred Weary C Tennessee
5 3 18 83 Charles Hill DT Maryland
6 4 1 99 Jonathan Wells RB Ohio State
7 5 1 136 Jarrod Baxter RB New Mexico
8 5 18 153 Ramone Walker DB Pittsburgh
9 6 1 173 Howard Faggins DB Kansas State
10 6 18 190 Howard Green DT Louisiana State
11 7 18 229 Greg White DE Minnesota
12 7 50 261 Ahmad Miller DT UNLV
Mario Williams didn't have a sack during the second half of the season? Time for him to grow one and start playing like the #1 overall pick in the '06 draft.
When you take a look at who they could have drafted the past few years, and who they ended up drafting, it's a damn shame.
What a disaster:
2006
1 1 1 1 Mario Williams DE North Carolina State
2 2 1 33 DeMeco Ryans LB Alabama
3 3 1 65 Charles Spencer T Pittsburgh
4 3 2 66 Eric Winston T Miami (FL)
5 4 1 98 Owen Daniels TE Wisconsin
6 6 1 170 Wali Lundy RB Virginia
7 7 43 251 David Anderson WR Colorado State
2005
1 1 16 16 Travis Johnson DT Florida State
2 3 9 73 Vernand Morency RB Oklahoma State
3 4 13 114 Jerome Mathis WR Hampton
4 5 15 151 Drew Hodgdon C Arizona State
5 6 14 188 Ceandris Brown DB Louisiana-Lafayette
6 7 13 227 Kenneth Pettway LB Grambling State
2004
1 1 10 10 Dunta Robinson DB South Carolina
2 1 27 27 Jason Babin DE Western Michigan
3 4 26 122 Glenn Earl DB Notre Dame
4 6 5 170 Vontez Duff DB Notre Dame
5 6 10 175 Jammal Lord DB Nebraska
6 6 35 200 Charlie Anderson LB Mississippi
7 7 9 210 Raheem Orr DE Rutgers
8 7 10 211 Sloan Thomas WR Texas
9 7 47 248 B.J. Symons QB Texas Tech
2003s
1 2 0 0 Tony Hollings RB Georgia Tech
2003
1 1 3 3 Andre Johnson WR Miami (FL)
2 2 9 41 Ben Joppru TE Michigan
3 3 3 67 Antwan Peek LB Cincinnati
4 3 11 75 Seth Wand T Northwest Missouri State
5 3 24 88 Dave Ragone QB Louisville
6 4 4 101 Domanick Davis RB Louisiana State
7 6 19 192 Drew Henson QB Michigan
8 6 41 214 Keith Wright DT Missouri
9 7 3 217 Curry Burns DB Louisville
10 7 19 233 Chance Pearce C Texas A&M
2002s
1 6 0 0 Milford Brown G Florida State
2002
1 1 1 1 David Carr QB Fresno State
2 2 1 33 Jabar Gaffney WR Florida
3 2 18 50 Chester Pitts G San Diego State
4 3 1 66 Fred Weary C Tennessee
5 3 18 83 Charles Hill DT Maryland
6 4 1 99 Jonathan Wells RB Ohio State
7 5 1 136 Jarrod Baxter RB New Mexico
8 5 18 153 Ramone Walker DB Pittsburgh
9 6 1 173 Howard Faggins DB Kansas State
10 6 18 190 Howard Green DT Louisiana State
11 7 18 229 Greg White DE Minnesota
12 7 50 261 Ahmad Miller DT UNLV
Routilla
Footballguy
If the OL struggles then this is a moot point. It's hard to throw downfield when you have a blitzer in your grill. Now I think Carr made some bad decisions last year but he got crushed a bunch over the last few years. Will Schaub be able to escape or will he face a similar fate?
For Andre, an increase in ypc, the team took shots downfiled last year in the first half but Carr and the line just couldn't do it in the 2nd half of the season.
Carr's biggest negatives were his indecisiveness, happy feet (many sacks over the years were partly his fault: both running out of bounds behind the line of scrimmage, and not stepping up in the pocket) and his proficiency in turning over the ball. I'm giving Schaub the benefit of the doubt, but the sack numbers should be greatly improved as well as many more sustainable offensive drives.
I prefer we go defense again (10 is a good spot to get a C or DT), but WR2 is a need. However, I think there's a good chance there will be a decent WR in the 3rd and later (Bowe, Meachum, Ginn, Rice, Jarrett, Hill, Smith, Gonzalez and others are all going to go in the 1st 2 rounds?!?! This years draft is loaded at WR.)
Carr's biggest negatives were his indecisiveness, happy feet (many sacks over the years were partly his fault: both running out of bounds behind the line of scrimmage, and not stepping up in the pocket) and his proficiency in turning over the ball. I'm giving Schaub the benefit of the doubt, but the sack numbers should be greatly improved as well as many more sustainable offensive drives.
I prefer we go defense again (10 is a good spot to get a C or DT), but WR2 is a need. However, I think there's a good chance there will be a decent WR in the 3rd and later (Bowe, Meachum, Ginn, Rice, Jarrett, Hill, Smith, Gonzalez and others are all going to go in the 1st 2 rounds?!?! This years draft is loaded at WR.)
nittanylion
Footballguy
Ah, wisdom. There are a TON of variables at work here, all of which have plenty to do with Houston's offensive success looking forward...First, the addition of Ahman Green. I'm not sure how much he has left in the tank, but at least from the last year in GB he has already gained experience with the zone blocking, one-cut-and-go run blocking scheme. That, along with the fact that he's a seasoned vet with plenty of 'game speed' experience, ought to improve the effectiveness of the running game, at least making it more of a threat than it was last year. Combined with another year of experience for the returning linemen, things can only improve in this regard. It wouldn't take much, that's for sure.I really hope the Houston 'brain trust' has their heads screwed on straight for this go-round, if they want to see improvement in the passing offense. Five years ago, they invested the #1 overall pick in what they hoped would be a franchise QB, and over the course of the next five years, failed to do much of anything to keep opposing D's off Carr. I'm not offering up excuses for Carr's play, but as someone who was enamored with him when he came out of college, it puzzled me that year after year, they didn't seem to make that 'big move' to invest in putting a quality line in front of him. Plenty of OL difference makers hit the open market over the last five years, and I can't recall Houston ever 'breaking the bank' to acquire some effective '2-way' linemen to make a definitive improvement to that area of the game.Now they've invested moving down in the first round, as well as a 2007 and 2008 2nd Round pick in acquiring their 'new' franchise QB they are potentially pinning their hopes on. One has to be optimistic regarding a player like Schaub, who seemingly has a TON of potential, with Kubiak, a certified QB guru. As much potential as Schaub possesses, though, it's just that, and it has to be realized. I certainly think it's a plus that Schaub spent some time working with Alex Gibbs in Atl, so he ought to be coming in with a basic understanding of the running scheme, which one hopes would shorten any learning curve he has to work through - hopefully more time to acclimate himself with Green, AJ, Daniels and the rest of the skill position players involved in the receiving end. While an honest running game is certainly a critical complementary component to effective pass blocking, they'd better get as many bodies in camp as possible in an effort to improve the pass blocking, otherwise I don't think it's any given that there will be significant improvement in the passing game. Coming out of college, mobility was one of Carr's strengths, but not even that saved him from taking a horrific beating, to the point where it negatively affected his overall play, and reduced to almost nothing the other qualities he had, not to mention completely eroding his confidence. I'm not beating Carr's drum by any means, but I don't necessarily think he's completely done yet, and it wouldn't surprise me at all if (and it's a BIG 'if', no question) he landed in the right situation, he might have a shot to at least show some improvement before his career is over. It might do him a WORLD of good to actually spend a season holding a clipboard somewhere, behind a quality aging vet with a young, improving OL and a fundamentally sound defense. I have to wonder if GB and Carolina might offer some opportunity there...I'll say this much for Carr - saying his confidence was shattered from the constant beatings he took would be an understatement of epic proportions, but as a Redskins fan, I admire him for the same reasons I admired Patrick Ramsey when he was running the Spurrier offense - the guy is physically tough, and whatever criticism might correctly be thrown his way, he deserves a Purple Heart/Timex kind of award for 'taking a lickin' and keepin' on tickin'. I'm sure that many times it took an absolute bottomless pit of intestinal fortitude for him to even walk back to the huddle after completing a play tucked into the fetal position. Now, MY confidence in Carr has taken a hit as well, but I'll be pulling for the guy, wherever he winds up. He ABSOLUTELY has a ton of work to do, but he wasn't exactly dealt the best hand right out of the gate either.
Jeff Pasquino
Footballguy
[quote name='nittanylion' date='Mar 22 2007, 12:10 AM' post='6501377'
I'm not beating Carr's drum by any means, but I don't necessarily think he's completely done yet, and it wouldn't surprise me at all if (and it's a BIG 'if', no question) he landed in the right situation, he might have a shot to at least show some improvement before his career is over. It might do him a WORLD of good to actually spend a season holding a clipboard somewhere, behind a quality aging vet with a young, improving OL and a fundamentally sound defense. I have to wonder if GB and Carolina might offer some opportunity there...
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Just said Green Bay as we recorded The Audible earlier tonight. Great spot.
I'm not beating Carr's drum by any means, but I don't necessarily think he's completely done yet, and it wouldn't surprise me at all if (and it's a BIG 'if', no question) he landed in the right situation, he might have a shot to at least show some improvement before his career is over. It might do him a WORLD of good to actually spend a season holding a clipboard somewhere, behind a quality aging vet with a young, improving OL and a fundamentally sound defense. I have to wonder if GB and Carolina might offer some opportunity there...
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Just said Green Bay as we recorded The Audible earlier tonight. Great spot.
cstu
Footballguy
I think they turned the corner with their drafting in 2006. We haven't seen the best of Mario and Ryans looks like one of the leagues best LB's.They also drafted a guy who looked to shore up the LT position (Spencer) but he was hurt early in the season and it could be a career-ending injury (good thing they signed Jordan Black). Winston looks like he'll be a decent RT and Daniels doesn't look bad either.
delusional
Footballguy
Same as they always been, bad.
OL OL OL OL OL OL.
OL OL OL OL OL OL.
Traders2001
Footballguy
Wow , that s somethimg .Way Overhyped that s the word . When did he display that ability ( Courage to hang in there and take a hit to make a throw ) he has played like 2 games since he came in the league and did nt display much .Schaub = Volek no more no less .
Sabertooth
Footballguy
Well people have been drooling over Schaub for years now, it will be interesting to see if he lives up to the hype.
If this was true, then why did Volek get no interest around the league when he was available, and Schaub fetched a first round bump and 2 2nds when he was going to be a UFA the next year?
The "hype" on Schaub was that he was one of the two or three best backups and might become a solid starter. I dont recall anyone ever saying he was going to be a pro bowl QB, or even that he could be an above average starter (although the Texans obviously he can be), just that he was better than a decent amount of the QBs that were starting. I wouldn't say that was hype.Also, lots of NFL front offices have bought into the "hype". Schaub generated a lot of interest in the trade market last year, and clearly generated interest this year.
prymetyme25
Footballguy
Shaub was Nfl ready coming out of college and I think moreso than the other because he was running the WC offense at Virginia. thats the Bottomline.
Personally I cant wait for him to get a full time roll and progress.
P.S. I dont own him in any league I just knew this about him since he was drafted.
Personally I cant wait for him to get a full time roll and progress.
P.S. I dont own him in any league I just knew this about him since he was drafted.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
Interesting. Schaub to me is the exact commodity that Matt Hasselback was when Green Bay sent him to Seattle. The Packers moved up from the 17 to the 10 spot and I think got a throw in pick later. Sounds like the Falcons got similar value.
Hasselback worked out. But he had the coach who had Joe Montana, Steve Young, and Brett Favre as past pupils. Holmgren is probably the best QB groomer in the NFL.
Hasselback worked out. But he had the coach who had Joe Montana, Steve Young, and Brett Favre as past pupils. Holmgren is probably the best QB groomer in the NFL.
comfortably numb
Footballguy
Anyone think it may be too high to take a DB or WR in the 1st where HOU currently stands?If so and they do not trade down, what options do you think they consider?
