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How do you weigh your pre-draft projections (1 Viewer)

Chase Stuart

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Last year, in this column, I decided to find out. I'll cut and paste the relevant parts, and make some 2008 updates, to make this as short and informative as possible.

How much weight should we give to our preseason projections relative to the actual season-to-date results, when predicting the remainder of the season results? I won't pretend that it's an easy question, or one that has a definitive answer. From 2000-2006, Footballguys.com projected exactly 100 RBs to score 100 FPs or more in a season, using the standard scoring system of 1 point per 10 yards, 6 points per TD, and zero points per reception. With a sample that large, we can decipher how to use preseason projections and in-season results to predict remainder of season results. For example, in 2001, a rookie Travis Henry wasn't very good, but was expected to shoulder more of the load in 2002. Footballguys.com projected him to score 11.4 FP/G in '02, but in week one he exploded for 178 yards and 3 TDs against the Jets. While he wouldn't average 35.8 FP/G for the season, what would have been a good prediction for the rest of the year? It turns out he averaged 14.9 FP/G the rest of the year; so a formula of six parts preseason projections and one part week one projections would have predicted the right result. (6/7 * 11.4 + 1/7 * 35.8 = 14.9)

We can perform a regression analysis to figure out how much weight should be placed on the preseason projections and how much weight on the week one results, in order to predict the remaining fantasy points production. Since we have a large sample of 100 RBs, we can be confident in the results of this analysis.

It turns out that the "correct" formula is 5.02 parts projections, and 1 part week one results. This feels about right to me. Right now, LT is projected to average 19.0 FP/G, Adrian Peterson is projected at 16.0 FP/G, and Marshawn Lynch 13.1 FP/G. What week one results would make us project all three RBs as even for the rest of the year? Tomlinson scoring 9 points, Peterson scoring 24 points, and Lynch scoring 39 points. So if LT had 30 total yards and one TD, and Lynch had 210 total yards and three TDs, you might be indifferent to trading Lynch for Tomlinson, or, of course, vice-versa.

Below shows the breakdowns for the RBs through X weeks of the season:

After week Proj Wt Reg Wt1 5.02 1.002 3.09 1.003 2.27 1.004 2.00 1.005 1.66 1.006 1.20 1.007 1.00 1.428 1.00 2.26It's worth noting that even after six weeks, preseason projections still matter more than the regular season results. Willie Green was projected to score 9.5 FP/G as a rookie, and was averaging just 2.1 FP/G through six games; he averaged 12.4 FP/G the rest of the way. In 2005, Tomlinson was averaging over 26 FP/G after six games, but scored only 160 FPs over his last ten games, much more in line with his projection of 18.6 FP/G. And preseason projections aren't worthless after eight weeks, either - they just become less and less important. Your remainder-of-season projections shouldn't be based off binary analysis: preseason projections don't either matter or don't. Rather, it's a sliding scale, where they become less and less valuable each week.How do things look at wide receiver? The table below displays the results of the same type of regression analysis, performed on the 197 WRs projected to score 80 or more FPs.

After week Proj Wt Reg Wt1 6.45 1.002 3.15 1.003 2.61 1.004 1.91 1.005 1.54 1.006 1.22 1.007 1.04 1.008 1.00 1.07Preseason projections seem to matter a bit more here, and that's not terribly surprising. Wide receivers get fewer targets than RBs get carries and targets, which means a really good or bad start could be the result of a small sample. Therefore, you should be less quick to give up on your wide receivers. Even though I'm saying not to weigh week one heavily, it still shouldn't be ignored. Remember that in 2001, Randy Moss was projected to be the top WR by just about everyone, coming off a ridiculous 1437/15 season. He had just 28 yards in week one, and 2001 ended up being the worst season of his young, four-year career. In stark contrast, though, is Marvin Harrison of the same year. He would gain just 35 yards in week one, but would finish the season with over 1500 yards and 15 TDs. So always remember not to trade your studs after just a bad week.You shouldn't even give up on your studs after five games, unless they've tanked. Once again, remember we're dealing with a continuum, and there's no on/off switch as to when the regular season starts to matter and the preseason projections stop. But even after five games, the preseason projections still matter a bit more than the regular season projections. Lee Evans in 2005 is a good example; he had just 3.4 FP/G through five games, despite being projected to score 8.3 FP/G. He would average 9.4 FP/G the rest of the year. Remember our 2001 Randy Moss, who was bad in week one? Well he wasn't good in weeks two, three, four or five, either. But in the last 11 games he would haul in 9 TDs and 900+ receiving yards, nearly doubling his per-game output from the first five weeks.

So what's it all mean? The two tables above can be a rough guide for you when thinking about making trades or deciding who to start in a given week. But they should just be used as a guide, and not as the formula to end all formulas.

One thing to remember is that strength of schedule matters. When using large samples, strength of schedule (and other random variables) aren't relevant to the analysis. However, strength of schedule matters a lot when we're analyzing our current, individual players.

Additionally, not all fantasy points are created equally. A player with a couple of TDs and not a lot of touches is probably going to disappoint in the future. Likewise, if Marion Barber III has 240 total yards through the first three weeks of the season but no scores, that's probably a better sign than if he had 80 total yards and three scores. Along the same lines, yards per carry, touchdowns, targets and yards are all relevant information to have, and tell you more about a player than merely fantasy points per game.

Finally, there are some times when you can just throw out the preseason projections. Obviously if a player gets hurt that changes everything, but there are subtler events that could cause a revision. If we see Ocho Cinco look great in week one, he'll deserve a big spike because he's presumably healthy. The same goes with Ronnie Brown. If DeAngelo Williams, Ahman Green or Chris Perry get 25 carries in week one, then an bump is in order. For established players, this won't be the case. With younger players or guys on new teams, we've got less reason to be confident in our projections. In those cases, it makes sense to weigh what you see this year a bit more than when watching LaDainian Tomlinson.

 
Great post.

The only thing I question is why does the projected weight drop so dramatically from week 1 to week 2? This is more the case with WR than it is with RB's (cut more than in half on WR and almost half on RB). I guess the crux of that question is how quickly do the actual results really start meaning more than the actuals? I think for me in particular it is probably closer to week 4 or 5 in a redraft league, but I am one of those who is more apt to "ride it out" than to "cut my losses".

I obviously have not done the math as you have done here but I would guess that for myself it is probably something closer to

RB's

After week Proj Wt Reg Wt

1 5.00 1.00

2 4.00 1.00

3 3.00 1.00

4 2.00 1.00

And then take your results from there on.

With WR's it may actually stay even higher, as to me WR are far less consistent than RB's in general. So I am willing to hang on to those projected results for an even longer period of time but then have an immediate drop off where the actuals are the most important.

WR

After week Proj Wt Reg Wt

1 6.00 1.00

2 5.00 1.00

3 4.00 1.00

4 4.00 1.00

5 4.00 1.00

6 1.00 1.00

Your numbers from here on.

I would say that this is probably how I have mentally done this in the past, but if there are numbers that support lowering that threshold more quickly (as you seem to have here) I would definitely be up to changing that mindset. Very interesting topic to consider.

 
Great post. The only thing I question is why does the projected weight drop so dramatically from week 1 to week 2? This is more the case with WR than it is with RB's (cut more than in half on WR and almost half on RB).
Thanks for the kind words.One thing to consider is that the projected weight really doesn't drop so dramatically; it just looks that way. On one hand, the pre-season projections to actual results ratio goes from 6.45:1 to 3.15:1. On the other, the importance of pre-season projections drops from 86.6% of player value to 75.9%. And that's not a very dramatic drop at all.
 
Very enjoyable.

Is this applied to any of the paid content with the mentioned adjustments at the end?

Which ones?

Thanks for the work Chase.

 
Good analysis, Chase. Have you done a similar analysis for QBs, or are they too variable from week-to-week to have a strong enough relationship.

It would be useful to judge the strength of the relationship you are showing by also releasing R-squared and t-stats, so that we can determine if the results are significant enough to use.

Thanks again for the good work. Maybe there's a position for you at FBGs? ;-)

 
Good analysis, Chase. Have you done a similar analysis for QBs, or are they too variable from week-to-week to have a strong enough relationship. It would be useful to judge the strength of the relationship you are showing by also releasing R-squared and t-stats, so that we can determine if the results are significant enough to use.Thanks again for the good work. Maybe there's a position for you at FBGs? ;-)
Hey davidwb,Yes, I did the same analysis for QBs and TEs. I just didn't want to throw it all out here in one post.I don't think I still have the raw data in a form for giving you those answers, but I'll check.
 
thanks, Chase. If you still have the data and want to send the regression results to me in an e-mail or IM, that would be great, if you don't think that others would find it useful (I love the stats -- used to be a stats prof). I understand that they might not be generally interesting.

 
Very enjoyable.Is this applied to any of the paid content with the mentioned adjustments at the end?Which ones?Thanks for the work Chase.
Thanks, Pictus.Can you unpack your question a bit?
I'll try. I guess you can't speak for other staffers, but you might and certainly they would know how they adjust their projections and rankings early in the season and beyond.Would this thinking be applied by some of the staff to Staff providing projections for the My FBGLine-up Dominator with Dodds projectionsBloom projections for Line-up DominatorAny other staffers out there throwing out rankings or projections week 1 and beyond.Do other staffers adjust their rankings differently early in the season?
 
"How do you weigh your pre-draft projections, Against actual regular season results?"

Without reading anything in here I'd say I do it with luck.

 
Awesome information here. I have bookmarked this come frustration time in the first few weeks.

When I first started FF I was much like the Duke brothers in Trading Spaces, "Sell Mortimer, sell, sell selll!!!" I have since moved away from that and tried to take a breath before I get antsy. This hammers that point home.

 
Chase Stuart said:
Great post.

The only thing I question is why does the projected weight drop so dramatically from week 1 to week 2? This is more the case with WR than it is with RB's (cut more than in half on WR and almost half on RB).
Thanks for the kind words.One thing to consider is that the projected weight really doesn't drop so dramatically; it just looks that way. On one hand, the pre-season projections to actual results ratio goes from 6.45:1 to 3.15:1. On the other, the importance of pre-season projections drops from 86.6% of player value to 75.9%. And that's not a very dramatic drop at all.
This may be a better table:Running Backs

Code:
Wk   Pre Wt	 Reg Wt1	83.4%	  16.6%2	75.6%	  24.4%3	69.4%	  30.6%4	66.7%	  33.3%5	62.4%	  37.6%6	54.5%	  45.5%7	41.3%	  58.7%8	30.7%	  69.3%
Wide Receivers
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Wk   Pre Wt	 Reg Wt1	86.6%	  13.4%2	75.9%	  24.1%3	72.3%	  27.7%4	65.6%	  34.4%5	60.6%	  39.4%6	55.0%	  45.0%7	51.0%	  49.0%8	48.3%	  51.7%
There is no 'aha!' moment here, where after week N it becomes clear to ditch the high projected guy who underperforms. But that's good -- the real world doesn't work that way. It's a sliding scale, where every week the real results matter more and more. As the sample size gets larger, we become more confident in those results. What's nice about this is that it's pretty simple to calculate this every week. I think -- if you use this very carefully -- this could be very valuable in assessing trades in the early part of your fantasy season.
 
Pictus Cat said:
Chase Stuart said:
Pictus Cat said:
Very enjoyable.Is this applied to any of the paid content with the mentioned adjustments at the end?Which ones?Thanks for the work Chase.
Thanks, Pictus.Can you unpack your question a bit?
I'll try. I guess you can't speak for other staffers, but you might and certainly they would know how they adjust their projections and rankings early in the season and beyond.Would this thinking be applied by some of the staff to Staff providing projections for the My FBGLine-up Dominator with Dodds projectionsBloom projections for Line-up DominatorAny other staffers out there throwing out rankings or projections week 1 and beyond.Do other staffers adjust their rankings differently early in the season?
Gotcha, PC.AFAIK, they don't use this information. Like the majority of the world, they probably don't read the stuff I write. :goodposting:But like a lot of the things I do, my answers or formulas are simply starting points -- they're not necessarily the right answers, just the right beginnings. Let's say Randy Moss (hypothetical projection of 15 PPG) averages 10 PPG for the first three weeks. That would put him, according to my projections, at 13.6 PPG for the rest of the season.But what if Moss has played three really easy defenses, hasn't gotten many targets, and the Patriots seem to be focused on rushing a lot? Well in that case, 13.6 may be too high. Conversely, say Moss has a ton of targets, he's dropped a couple of TDs (drops occur pretty randomly), and has played really hard defenses. Then maybe you should stick at 15. So I'd trust what Dodds or Bloom thinks over the formula, since they have more information than my computer. On the other hand, their aggregate averages should match up with these numbers.
 
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