How does Brees signing shake up the draft? (1 Viewer)

[rockbottom895]

Anyone have any ideas on what the new MOCK draft will look like? Will they now draft Dabrickshaw with the 2nd pick? Will Reggie Bush fall into their lap? Mario Williams maybe? Anyone have any thoughts.

 

[KillerNerd]

Anyone have any ideas on what the new MOCK draft will look like? Will they now draft Dabrickshaw with the 2nd pick? Will Reggie Bush fall into their lap? Mario Williams maybe? Anyone have any thoughts.

Didn't they just let one of their better DEs go? I would say that Mario would be the most likely candidate with OL a close 2nd

 

[dgreen]

1. Bush

2. Brick

3. Leinart

I think this eliminates Houston trading down because I think they'd trade down for Brick and now that probably isn't an option.

 

[Jason Wood]

Anyone have any ideas on what the new MOCK draft will look like? Will they now draft Dabrickshaw with the 2nd pick? Will Reggie Bush fall into their lap? Mario Williams maybe? Anyone have any thoughts.

Didn't they just let one of their better DEs go? I would say that Mario would be the most likely candidate with OL a close 2nd

If there's one position the Saints are set, it's DE. They let D. Howard walk because of W. Smith and C. Grant. D'Brick makes a TON of sense...they need an upgrade over Gandy for sure. They could move Gandy back inside if need be.Assuming they stay at 2, it's almost certainly D'Brick. But I would say there's a decent chance they move down or at least listen to offers now.

 

[Foosball God]

As scary as this is, I think these developments actually increase the likelyhood of Detroit taking a QB. Especially if Winston Justice is gone.

 

[Texasmouth]

I think someone is going to trade up to grab Lienart because everyone knows there is no way he makes it past the Titans.

 

[BroncoFreak_2K3]

As scary as this is, I think these developments actually increase the likelyhood of Detroit taking a QB. Especially if Winston Justice is gone.

Vince Young...it'd be just like them to do that.

 

[Dave Baker]

I think someone is going to trade up to grab Lienart because everyone knows there is no way he makes it past the Titans.

The question then becomes, do they think Young = Leinart?And who makes the jump and what do they offer? NO doesn't want to go too far down. If it were me, I'd take D'Brick.

 

[Sabertooth]

I just hope it isn't Mario. I want him in the Green and Gold next season.

 

[Cookiemonster]

As scary as this is, I think these developments actually increase the likelyhood of Detroit taking a QB.  Especially if Winston Justice is gone.

Vince Young...it'd be just like them to do that.

Never fear. Oakland is just as dumb and will get the 1st opportunity.

 

[Texasmouth]

I think someone is going to trade up to grab Lienart because everyone knows there is no way he makes it past the Titans.

The question then becomes, do they think Young = Leinart?And who makes the jump and what do they offer? NO doesn't want to go too far down. If it were me, I'd take D'Brick.

I agree. They have a franchise QB, RB, WR, and TE. Now they need someone to open up holes for them.

 

[Texasmouth]

As scary as this is, I think these developments actually increase the likelyhood of Detroit taking a QB.  Especially if Winston Justice is gone.

Vince Young...it'd be just like them to do that.

Never fear. Oakland is just as dumb and will get the 1st opportunity.

I have done nothing but defend Vince Young for months, but some of the decisions he has made have really made me wonder what kind of guy he actually is. He should have signed a real agent, not his boy who took the online agent class. This whole mess with the G.E.D. class errrrrrr wonderlic test I mean was handled poorly and a real agent would have never let that happen and if it did, there would be hell to pay. Oakland seems like a nice fit for him though.

 

[PAO]

I just hope it isn't Mario. I want him in the Green and Gold next season.

I don't think he'll be an Eskimo next season.

 

[WhoDat]

As scary as this is, I think these developments actually increase the likelyhood of Detroit taking a QB. Especially if Winston Justice is gone.

And it will be the kid from USC. The risk/reward proposition Young presents is probably more than the Lions should risk at this point. First round picks Harrington, Rogers and, perhaps, M. Williams are presented as Exhibits 1, 2 and 3 to support that statement. Millen has gotten zero return on any of those picks. Leinart is not the natural athlete nor does he have the perceived vaulted ceiling of Young but he has far less risk. He makes great football decisions and can run a pro offense. The Lions cannot blow another Top 10 pick. Well, as a Lions fan, I know all too well that they can but not on a QB. Throw in the history of Mitchell and his contract along with that whole A. Ware thing and the QB position in Detroit has been miss not so much hit. I would prefer the team take a safer road and address OL and or grab a defensive playmaker. Of course, the Lions do have a pipeline into Austin so grabbing another UT product would not be shocking.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

My extremely down and dirty mock, based on the last couple days of activity:

1. Houston - Bush

2. New Orleans - Ferguson

3. Tennessee - Leinart

4. NYJ - Mario

5. GB - Hawk

6. SF - Vernon Davis

7. Oak - Young

8. Buff - Winston Justice

9. Det - Jimmy Williams

10. Arizona - Michael Huff

11. St. Louis - Tye Hill

12. Cleveland - Haloti Ngata

13. Baltimore - Jay Cutler

14. Philadelphia - Tamba Hali

15. Atlanta - Donte Whitner/Jason Allen

16. Miami - Chad Jackson

17. Minnesota - Chad Greenway

18. Dallas - Donte Whitner/Jason Allen

19. San Diego - Manny Lawson

20. Kansas City - Broderick Bunkley

21. New England - Ernie Sims

22. Denver - DeAngelo Williams

23. Tampa - Marcus McNeill

24. Cincinnati - Gabe Watson

25. NYG - Bobby Carpenter

26. Chicago - Leonard Pope

27. Carolina - Lendale White

28. Jacksonville - Kamerion Wimbley

29. Denver - Santonio Holmes

30. Indianapolis - Laurence Maroney

31. Seattle - Ko Simpson

32. Pittsburgh - Nick Mangold

 

[cstu]

My extremely down and dirty mock, based on the last couple days of activity:

1. Houston - Bush

2. New Orleans - Ferguson

3. Tennessee - Leinart

4. NYJ - Mario

5. GB - Hawk

6. SF - Vernon Davis

7. Oak - Young

8. Buff - Winston Justice

9. Det - Jimmy Williams

10. Arizona - Michael Huff

11. St. Louis - Tye Hill

12. Cleveland - Haloti Ngata

13. Baltimore - Jay Cutler

14. Philadelphia - Tamba Hali

15. Atlanta - Donte Whitner/Jason Allen

16. Miami - Chad Jackson

17. Minnesota - Chad Greenway

18. Dallas - Donte Whitner/Jason Allen

19. San Diego - Manny Lawson

20. Kansas City - Broderick Bunkley

21. New England - Ernie Sims

22. Denver - DeAngelo Williams

23. Tampa - Marcus McNeill

24. Cincinnati - Gabe Watson

25. NYG - Bobby Carpenter

26. Chicago - Leonard Pope

27. Carolina - Lendale White

28. Jacksonville - Kamerion Wimbley

29. Denver - Santonio Holmes

30. Indianapolis - Laurence Maroney

31. Seattle - Ko Simpson

32. Pittsburgh - Nick Mangold

I like the mock. Nice call with Lawson to the Chargers. He's in the top 3 players I have going to the Chargers with the other two being Jackson and Scott.

 

[massraider]

I like the pick of Mario by the Jets, but I wonderif they would pass on a QB.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Nice call with Lawson to the Chargers. He's in the top 3 players I have going to the Chargers with the other two being Jackson and Scott.

I could have just as easily switched the Dallas and San Diego picks with the 'Boys taking Lawson and SD taking Whitner/Allen. With either, if they take Lawson in the first, they could upgrade their safety position in the 2nd with someone like Bullocks.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

I like the pick of Mario by the Jets, but I wonderif they would pass on a QB.

I guess I was assuming they'd get Ramsey and lose Abraham. Regardless, I would lean to them passing over a QB.

 

[matuski]

Will Oak take Young over Cutler?

If not look out below on VY's draft position!

 

[acefootball]

I think Rams will take Haloti Ngata if he is there at 11. Great mock.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Will Oak take Young over Cutler?

If not look out below on VY's draft position!

Yes. I heard a statistic the other day involving the interest that the Raiders are creating. I forget what the statistics were or how they measured them, but the Raiders were in the bottom third.Vince Young is just the kind of "splash" pick that Al Davis would love to make, IMO.

 

[Chaos Commish]

Saints move down or take Vernon Davis with the second pick of the draft!?

 

[Ridgelake]

Nice call with Lawson to the Chargers.  He's in the top 3 players I have going to the Chargers with the other two being Jackson and Scott.

I could have just as easily switched the Dallas and San Diego picks with the 'Boys taking Lawson and SD taking Whitner/Allen. With either, if they take Lawson in the first, they could upgrade their safety position in the 2nd with someone like Bullocks.

I'd say your latter hypothesis is far more likely to happen. Defensive Front Seven is what Parcells drafts most often in the first. Center-fielder safeties are almost never taken in the first. In-the-box safeties, yes. Not centerfielders.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

I think Rams will take Haloti Ngata if he is there at 11. Great mock.

Not necessarily as they run a 4-3 and just got La'Roi Glover to fill one of the DT spots on the line. They added Witherspoon to shore up the linebackers, Chavous takes over for Archuletta, but that still leaves GAPING holes at CB. Jimmy Williams is too much to pass up at that point.

 

[Pat Patriot]

With all of the recent signings, the RB's are going to drop. You dont think the Patriots will take Lendale White or DeAngelo Williams at 21?

 

[Andy Dufresne]

With all of the recent signings, the RB's are going to drop.  You dont think the Patriots will take Lendale White or DeAngelo Williams at 21?

I thought hard about that, but Lendale doesn't seem like a Belichick type guy and Williams doesn't seem to fit that system. Outside linebacker and d-back are the biggest need for the Pats and Sims could be a great one.

 

[Jason Wood]

I think Rams will take Haloti Ngata if he is there at 11. Great mock.

Not necessarily as they run a 4-3 and just got La'Roi Glover to fill one of the DT spots on the line. They added Witherspoon to shore up the linebackers, Chavous takes over for Archuletta, but that still leaves GAPING holes at CB. Jimmy Williams is too much to pass up at that point.

Jimmy Williams isn't going to go that high IMHO. Michael Huff will be the first DB and be drafted as a corner at that.

 

[saintfool]

Saints move down or take Vernon Davis with the second pick of the draft!?

TE is far less a concern or priority than that of, say, OL, LB, DT or CB. i expect them to drop down, if they can. otherwise, d'brick makes sense.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Jimmy Williams isn't going to go that high IMHO. Michael Huff will be the first DB and be drafted as a corner at that.

Possibly. I was going more by position need than anything. Yes, the Lions need help on offense, but they've now lost McQuarters and Goodman in free agency, leaving them with Bryant and Bly. If I were them, I'd go DB in the first and o-line in the second.If you like Huff more than Williams, I can see that too. I went with Williams since he seemed more like a CB/Safety 'tweener than Huff.

 

[Cookiemonster]

Will Oak take Young over Cutler?

If not look out below on VY's draft position!

Yes. I heard a statistic the other day involving the interest that the Raiders are creating. I forget what the statistics were or how they measured them, but the Raiders were in the bottom third.Vince Young is just the kind of "splash" pick that Al Davis would love to make, IMO.

Young just doesn't have the BIG arm that Davis likes. BTW, how many 1st round picks has Davis spent on QBs? Ain't gonna happen. From a fan's prospective- 1.Mario 2.Brick 3.Hawk 4.Davis (5/6.Ngata 6/5.Huff)?

From Davis' prospective- 4.Davis (speed) 3.Huff (speed) 2.Jackson (SPEED) 1.Hill (SPEED)

 

[Jason Wood]

Jimmy Williams isn't going to go that high IMHO. Michael Huff will be the first DB and be drafted as a corner at that.

Possibly. I was going more by position need than anything. Yes, the Lions need help on offense, but they've now lost McQuarters and Goodman in free agency, leaving them with Bryant and Bly. If I were them, I'd go DB in the first and o-line in the second.If you like Huff more than Williams, I can see that too.

I do like Huff more than Williams, but I also think Huff has a much higher grade than Williams and is more of a lock as a top 10 pick.

 

[acefootball]

I think Rams will take Haloti Ngata if he is there at 11. Great mock.

Not necessarily as they run a 4-3 and just got La'Roi Glover to fill one of the DT spots on the line. They added Witherspoon to shore up the linebackers, Chavous takes over for Archuletta, but that still leaves GAPING holes at CB. Jimmy Williams is too much to pass up at that point.

Your mock shows JW and Huff both already taken. Plus I guess I am just pretty used to Rams goin DT in the 1st..........ETA: they just signed Fakhir Brown today as well

 

[Andy Dufresne]

I think Rams will take Haloti Ngata if he is there at 11. Great mock.

Not necessarily as they run a 4-3 and just got La'Roi Glover to fill one of the DT spots on the line. They added Witherspoon to shore up the linebackers, Chavous takes over for Archuletta, but that still leaves GAPING holes at CB. Jimmy Williams is too much to pass up at that point.

Your mock shows JW and Huff both already taken. Plus I guess I am just pretty used to Rams goin DT in the 1st..........ETA: they just signed Fakhir Brown today as well

Uhhh. I meant Tye Hill. Too much fast typing.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Young just doesn't have the BIG arm that Davis likes. BTW, how many 1st round picks has Davis spent on QBs? Ain't gonna happen.

I don't know how much input he had from 60-63 when he was offensive end coach/head coach, but there is a history of taking QBs in or near the first:2001

2. Marques Tuiasosopo, QB Washington

1991

1 Todd Marinovich, QB, USC

1980

1 Marc Wilson, QB, BYU

1968

1 Eldridge Dickey, QB, Tennessee St.

2 Ken Stabler, QB, Alabama

1962

1 Roman Gabriel QB, No. Carolina St

 

[saintfool]

does minnesota now trade up to get BJ's future replacement? they have the picks now to make it happen, i am guessing.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

does minnesota now trade up to get BJ's future replacement? they have the picks now to make it happen, i am guessing.

I'd love it. But I doubt it.

 

[WhoDat]

Jimmy Williams isn't going to go that high IMHO. Michael Huff will be the first DB and be drafted as a corner at that.

Nice mock.I agree with the comment about Huff. He is the better athlete and football player. Plus, he can play any position in the defensive backfield. Lastly, the Lions have a strong recent history of taking Longhorns, which is suggesting the Lions address that need (DB) in the draft. Huff will be the first DB off the board. I also agree V. Young would be too much for A. Davis to pass in the draft, assuming Young falls. It just seems right.

 

[saintfool]

does minnesota now trade up to get BJ's future replacement? they have the picks now to make it happen, i am guessing.

I'd love it. But I doubt it.

i only ask because on yahoo sports chris carter (yeah, i know) mentions that childress was considering the move...

 

[Andy Dufresne]

does minnesota now trade up to get BJ's future replacement? they have the picks now to make it happen, i am guessing.

I'd love it. But I doubt it.

i only ask because on yahoo sports chris carter (yeah, i know) mentions that childress was considering the move...

Did he say how high?

 

[Dave Baker]

1962

1 Roman Gabriel QB, No. Carolina St

Gabriel was my favorite football player ever. But I thought he was drafted by the Rams? That's how he payed his first 16 seasons with. Wikipedia and this link show he was drafted by the Rams in 1962, but drafthistory.com (where you likely pulled the info) says it was Oakland.

Wait, before I posted this I found out what happened. Here's a link to Roman's bio.

Roman found himself in a somewhat delightful dilemma of not only being the first round draft pick of the Los Angeles Rams in the NFL. But also the top choice of the entire American Football League draft of 1962, selected by the Oakland Raiders. However, the pre-Al Davis Raiders were a franchise in total disarray. They stood little chance of signing any of their draft picks let alone Roman Gabriel. In an attempt to save the picks for the benefit of the league, they turned their draft list over to Lamar Hunt's Dallas Texans. All of this stood to be a little perplexing for the young signal caller. "What it came down to with the Raiders and the Rams, I finally had to get my college coach involved because I didn't know what was happening. And I ended up signing with the Rams for $15,000. for three years, but not guaranteed, which meant the second and third years didn't matter unless you made the team. And I ended up getting a $5,000. bonus vitb the Rams. The Raiders at that time, their best offer got to be about $12,500. So there's a big difference between $12,500. and $15,000."

At the time, Roman was unaware that Lamar Hunt had become a new player in the high stakes signing game. Hunt had been trying to call Roman. But neither Hunt nor Gabriel would ever make any gain from the conversation. As Gabe recounts, "Elroy Hirsch, the Rams general manager, and I were sitting in the Sir Walter Raleigh Hotel, and he took a call. It was Lamar Hunt, but we didn't know that. Elroy talked to Hunt for roughly half an hour or more. Hunt made a fine pitch for the Texans and the AFL. He was offering me $100,000.00 to come play in the American Football League. But I didn't take the call; Elroy Hirsch did. So I ended up going with the Rams."

I have an autographed picture of Gabriel hanging above my home computer.Sorry, end of thread hijack.

 

[Jason Wood]

Childress has the luxury of building the team over a period of years. While I think he sees a team that can "win now" he won't hesitate to bring in one of the QBs if he views them as a franchise caliber player. He was instrumental in the evaluation of D. McNabb relative to the other QBs in that class [Akili, McCown, Culpep, etc...] and also is the one who pushed for A.J. Feeley as a backup [who netted us a 4-1 record as an emergency starter and a 2nd round pick].

I wouldn't doubt that Childress will evaluate not only Leinart, Young and Cutler quite intently, but also guys like Croyle, Whitehurst, Jacobs, etc...

 

[rabidfireweasel]

Young just doesn't have the BIG arm that Davis likes.

Davis does not prefer his QB to have a huge arm. He like his QB to throw a good deep ball. That is not the same as having a huge arm. Volek doesn't have a great arm on intermediate throws, but he throws a great deep ball. Bledsoe has a cannon but cannot throw a deep ball along the sidelines. It has to be to the middle. Neither Stabler nor Plunkett(the tired, older,heavier Oakland version) had cannons- but the threw great deep balls. Young throws as good a deep ball as Davis likes. That doesn't mean he goes there, but he can throw the deep ball, and did with some frequency.

 

[saintfool]

does minnesota now trade up to get BJ's future replacement? they have the picks now to make it happen, i am guessing.

I'd love it. But I doubt it.

i only ask because on yahoo sports chris carter (yeah, i know) mentions that childress was considering the move...

Did he say how high?

Here's the excerpt:"I recently talked to Brad Childress, Minnesota's new head coach, and he said the Vikings are thinking about possibly moving up and drafting a quarterback. If they do, they'll have Brad Johnson to start the season and can begin to groom their new quarterback for the future."

They have been shopping Culpepper for awhile, so this would indicate that they were looking to draft a QB in first round. if cutler, they don't give up much maybe. but now that leinart becomes available and they have the flexibility then it becomes a different matter all together...

 

[rockbottom895]

ESPN Anaylst John Clayton isnt so sure about the Saints drafting Dabrickshaw. He has recently told ESPN, that without a doubt, the Saints will draft the 6'7 defensive end from NCST. I believe this is the horribly wrong pick. Also, why would the people in New Orleans sign Brees? This is an absolute pointless move towards the franchise. They play in one of the toughest divisions in the entire NFL (Panthers, Bucs, Falcons). Therefore, getting Brees for this year wont win them games this quick. Why not draft a young QB, and ease him into the NFL, and make him your future. No one really knows how many more years Brees can give you, so overall BAD CHOICE by the Saints.

 

[UnknownCoach]

Gotta think about which teams might be interested in trading up for Leinhart. Jets, Oakland, Minnesota, Baltimore, Buffalo, Arizona, Cleveland, Green Bay, San Fransisco, or Detroit. With the Jets, Oakland, Minnesota, and Baltimore being the most likely candidates. At pick 17, Minnesota may look a little low to compete but they have that extra second round pick.

 

[Kiddnets]

As a Jet fan this does not make sense

You have a very good proven DE in Abe that you do not want to paybig money for - so get rid of him and pay big money for a DE rookie?

The new regime will go QB - if Leinart is gone they could trade down a few spots for those who want Mario and still get Cutler. Pick up another high pick

 

[saintfool]

Gotta think about which teams might be interested in trading up for Leinhart. Jets, Oakland, Minnesota, Baltimore, Buffalo, Arizona, Cleveland, Green Bay, San Fransisco, or Detroit. With the Jets, Oakland, Minnesota, and Baltimore being the most likely candidates. At pick 17, Minnesota may look a little low to compete but they have that extra second round pick.

ta-da!

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Gotta think about which teams might be interested in trading up for Leinhart. Jets, Oakland, Minnesota, Baltimore, Buffalo, Arizona, Cleveland, Green Bay, San Fransisco, or Detroit. With the Jets, Oakland, Minnesota, and Baltimore being the most likely candidates. At pick 17, Minnesota may look a little low to compete but they have that extra second round pick.

ta-da!

Minnesota is the only one that makes sense as the others will either wait it out in hopes one (probably) drops and the others already have their QB in place, be it long or short term.

 

[saintfool]

ESPN Anaylst John Clayton isnt so sure about the Saints drafting Dabrickshaw. He has recently told ESPN, that without a doubt, the Saints will draft the 6'7 defensive end from NCST. I believe this is the horribly wrong pick. Also, why would the people in New Orleans sign Brees? This is an absolute pointless move towards the franchise. They play in one of the toughest divisions in the entire NFL (Panthers, Bucs, Falcons). Therefore, getting Brees for this year wont win them games this quick. Why not draft a young QB, and ease him into the NFL, and make him your future. No one really knows how many more years Brees can give you, so overall BAD CHOICE by the Saints.

if you draft, say, the OT of the future at 1.2 in D'Brick then you have two young OT's to protect the delicate mister brees. he'll be fine playing behind the saints OL, regardless. it's not like he's past his prime. he's, what, 27? he appears to be heading into the season healthy enough. it's not like he's going to miss camp or anything. it's a fine move. they get an effective QB. they have leverage in the draft. they save some $$ to boot.