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How Good was Bruce Lee? (1 Viewer)

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B-Scott

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I was a big fan of Bruce Lee's movies ,and alway's tried to imitate him as a kid ,but i never knew how good he really was when it came to live competetion. I know he used to spar with Chuck Norris back in the day,but i don't think they ever fought against each other in a match.

Was He just a great actor ,or was he really that good in Martial Arts? Do you think he could hang today if he entered a Ultimate Fighting Competetion. He was like 5-8 140 pounds.

 
P.S. - watch/read some documentaries.

He won martial arts competitions - one very important one to establish his own school.

 
Marc Levin said:
I think he could drop 90% of the competitors with one good punch.He was a master.
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Didn't he train to kill though. A lot of his moves would be illegal in a Live Competetion like the Ultimate Fighting Competetion. Did he have the skill to fight a match against a guy 6-2 250 pounds of muscle without using tactice like going to the eyes or throat. I know in the streets ,anything goes,but in a match,there are some limits.
 
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Supposedly he was challenged regularly and always held his own. Plus he had his 1 inch punch and a really powerful sidekick.

Lee's skills

 
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What Ilov80s said.

As for a competition with rules, I think he would, with one punch, drop most of those athletes dead by driving their nose into their brain. You would not want Bruce Lee in this competition - he'd be disqualified after killing his first two opponents.

 
B-Scott said:
Marc Levin said:
I think he could drop 90% of the competitors with one good punch.He was a master.
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Didn't he train to kill though. A lot of his moves would be illegal in a Live Competetion like the Ultimate Fighting Competetion.
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???Then why are you asking this question? if your question is who is the bigger bad-###, Bruce Lee would drop all these guys before they hit him.If you are asking whether he would do well within the confines of the rules of that competition, he would be akin to a bare knuckles boxer with a punch that can kill a man. Since the makers of the competition don;t want the competitors to die, he would not be allowed in the competition.
 
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Marc Levin said:
B-Scott said:
Marc Levin said:
I think he could drop 90% of the competitors with one good punch.He was a master.
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Didn't he train to kill though. A lot of his moves would be illegal in a Live Competetion like the Ultimate Fighting Competetion.
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???Then why are you asking this question? if your question is who is the bigger bad-###, Bruce Lee would drop all these guys before they hit him.If you are asking whether he would do well within the confines of the rules of that competition, he would be akin to a bare knuckles boxer with a punch that can kill a man. Since the makers of the competition don;t want the competitors to die, he would not be allowed in the competition.
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The confines of the rules is no going for the eyes.the throat,or the private area. It would be interesting to see how he would handle a 6-2 guy who is 250 pounds of muscle,but with also great skill. Especially if they got a hold of him.
 
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B-Scott said:
It would be interesting to see how he would handle a 6-2 guy who is 250 pounds of muscle,but with also great skill. Especially if they got a hold of him.
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In the words of Yoda - you think size matters?If they got a hold of him is, you are right, the issue - IMO, they wouldn't. Also, IMO, he'd know his best way to win would be not to get held, and to not get held, he would need to drop his opponent DEAD with one punch in order to eliminate any opp to grab him.

Being 6'2 and 250 of muscle does you no good when Bruce Lee focuses his chi on breaking your nose and orbital cavity with one punch.

 
I think that unlike guys like Seagal and Van Damme, who were really more of actors, Lee was more of a martial artist than an actor. I feel pretty confident that in his prime he would kick the living crap out of almost anybody.

Edit to add that I think I remember a story about the set of Enter the Dragon in which a local extra in the film didn't think Lee was that good and challenged him to a fight. Lee sent him to the hospital in short order.

 
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he'd probably lose most of the time... only the guys who stand up at all times (when they have control) would lost to him...

there is a reason that NO ONE in the UFC even studies karate or kung fu for the UFC, because they are useless disciplines in the UFC...

 
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A few thoughts:

By the time the UFC and all this came to be, Bruce would be in his 50's. At least. Maybe one of his students would get involved...

The fighting theories, styles, and philosophies have changed dramatically in the last 15 years because of these matches. From 500 B.C. to 1990 A.D., upright fighting was the main fighting style. Bruce was a student of all martial arts, not just wing chun. It would take a bit, but I think he would adapt pretty well. A main skill of wing chun is 'chi sao', which loosely translated means 'sticky arms'. The idea is: being able to either intercept a punch or put your hand(s) on your opponent and immediately know where all the extremities(arms/legs) are. My sifu would be able to put a blindfold on, and start chi sao with me. Someone would call out 'stop' and my sifu could touch, blindfolded, my elbows and my knees. This doesn't sound like a big deal, but trust me, its really hard to learn. That skill would help immensely with ground fighting, no?

 
larry_boy_44 said:
he'd probably lose most of the time... only the guys who stand up at all times (when they have control) would lost to him...there is a reason that NO ONE in the UFC even studies karate or kung fu for the UFC, because they are useless disciplines in the UFC...
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But Bruce was possibly the pioneer in studying mixed-martial arts. I'm pretty sure if he lived long enough he would have learned all forms of fighting and possibely held his own in the modern UFC (w/ weight classes) due to his power and speed.He did bicep curls with 80 pound dumbbells for 80 reps straight to build endurance and power.
 
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larry_boy_44 said:
he'd probably lose most of the time... only the guys who stand up at all times (when they have control) would lost to him...there is a reason that NO ONE in the UFC even studies karate or kung fu for the UFC, because they are useless disciplines in the UFC...
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But Bruce was possibly the pioneer in studying mixed-martial arts. I'm pretty sure if he lived long enough he would have learned all forms of fighting and possibely held his own in the modern UFC (w/ weight classes) due to his power and speed.He did bicep curls with 80 pound dumbbells for 80 reps straight to build endurance and power.
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maybe he would have, but he definately would have had to change styles... however, AS HE WAS, he probably wouldn't have had a chance...however, given a chance to study the new stuff and the more popular stuff now, he would probably do awesome...all I'm saying, really, is that there is a reason no one in the UFC (or Pride, etc.) studys what Lee was a master in...
 
I love that scene in "The Big Boss" where he kicks a guy through the side of a building. It leaves a perfect cut out of the guy's body... just like in the Roadrunner cartoons. His movies are so bad they're good.

:mellow:

 
larry_boy_44 said:
he'd probably lose most of the time... only the guys who stand up at all times (when they have control) would lost to him...there is a reason that NO ONE in the UFC even studies karate or kung fu for the UFC, because they are useless disciplines in the UFC...
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So you don't think he would stand much of a chance in the UFC. What about his quickness advantage.
 
B-Scott said:
larry_boy_44 said:
he'd probably lose most of the time... only the guys who stand up at all times (when they have control) would lost to him...there is a reason that NO ONE in the UFC even studies karate or kung fu for the UFC, because they are useless disciplines in the UFC...
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So you don't think he would stand much of a chance in the UFC. What about his quickness advantage.
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how does quickness help when a guy is on top of you?I think Bruce Lee, the man, born 20 years later with the same dedication to the Martial Arts would be the most dominant MMA fighter in the world, he just wouldn't be a master of the same styles he was... (and if he was master in the same styles, he wouldn't ahve a chance)
 
B-Scott said:
Is she on a serious depression trip right now. That Kevin Federline dude must have done her real wrong. She is all drunk and on drugs all the time. Passing out in clubs. Going Bald.Im like daaaamn what the heck happened? Is she seriously depressed or something.
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larry_boy_44 said:
B-Scott said:
larry_boy_44 said:
he'd probably lose most of the time... only the guys who stand up at all times (when they have control) would lost to him...there is a reason that NO ONE in the UFC even studies karate or kung fu for the UFC, because they are useless disciplines in the UFC...
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So you don't think he would stand much of a chance in the UFC. What about his quickness advantage.
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how does quickness help when a guy is on top of you?
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It helps you keep the guy from getting on top of you. Lee could hit one of these guys 3 or 4 times (And kill them) and still move away before they got a hold on him.Now, you may be right that his style wouldn't work in the UFC. I think they'd probably get better ratings if they allowed killing, but I can understand the legal/moral problems with that.
 
TexanFan02 said:
larry_boy_44 said:
B-Scott said:
larry_boy_44 said:
he'd probably lose most of the time... only the guys who stand up at all times (when they have control) would lost to him...there is a reason that NO ONE in the UFC even studies karate or kung fu for the UFC, because they are useless disciplines in the UFC...
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So you don't think he would stand much of a chance in the UFC. What about his quickness advantage.
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how does quickness help when a guy is on top of you?
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It helps you keep the guy from getting on top of you. Lee could hit one of these guys 3 or 4 times (And kill them) and still move away before they got a hold on him.Now, you may be right that his style wouldn't work in the UFC. I think they'd probably get better ratings if they allowed killing, but I can understand the legal/moral problems with that.
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why do you assume that he'd connect on these guys???MMA fighters are not pushovers...
 
larry_boy_44 said:
TexanFan02 said:
larry_boy_44 said:
B-Scott said:
larry_boy_44 said:
he'd probably lose most of the time... only the guys who stand up at all times (when they have control) would lost to him...there is a reason that NO ONE in the UFC even studies karate or kung fu for the UFC, because they are useless disciplines in the UFC...
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So you don't think he would stand much of a chance in the UFC. What about his quickness advantage.
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how does quickness help when a guy is on top of you?
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It helps you keep the guy from getting on top of you. Lee could hit one of these guys 3 or 4 times (And kill them) and still move away before they got a hold on him.Now, you may be right that his style wouldn't work in the UFC. I think they'd probably get better ratings if they allowed killing, but I can understand the legal/moral problems with that.
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why do you assume that he'd connect on these guys???MMA fighters are not pushovers...
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Because he was the best. I'm talking about in his prime, of course, not when he would have been 50.
 
Bruce Lee would own anyone in his weight class in UFC I believe based on his physical attributes and his martial arts philsophy, which he would have easily adpated to UFC fighting.

In a no hold to the death fight he probably could have taken down anyone.

 
TexanFan02 said:
It helps you keep the guy from getting on top of you. Lee could hit one of these guys 3 or 4 times (And kill them) and still move away before they got a hold on him.

Now, you may be right that his style wouldn't work in the UFC. I think they'd probably get better ratings if they allowed killing, but I can understand the legal/moral problems with that.
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On the one hand I want to hear what rule "killing" is against and how exactly it would occur. On the other, I'm embarrassed about some of the serious responses in 2007 to this fishing trip.
 
larry_boy_44 said:
B-Scott said:
larry_boy_44 said:
he'd probably lose most of the time... only the guys who stand up at all times (when they have control) would lost to him...there is a reason that NO ONE in the UFC even studies karate or kung fu for the UFC, because they are useless disciplines in the UFC...
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So you don't think he would stand much of a chance in the UFC. What about his quickness advantage.
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how does quickness help when a guy is on top of you?I think Bruce Lee, the man, born 20 years later with the same dedication to the Martial Arts would be the most dominant MMA fighter in the world, he just wouldn't be a master of the same styles he was... (and if he was master in the same styles, he wouldn't ahve a chance)
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Couldn't his quickness advantage help him in preventing a guy from getting him on the floor.
 
TexanFan02 said:
larry_boy_44 said:
TexanFan02 said:
larry_boy_44 said:
B-Scott said:
larry_boy_44 said:
he'd probably lose most of the time... only the guys who stand up at all times (when they have control) would lost to him...there is a reason that NO ONE in the UFC even studies karate or kung fu for the UFC, because they are useless disciplines in the UFC...
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So you don't think he would stand much of a chance in the UFC. What about his quickness advantage.
Click to expand...
how does quickness help when a guy is on top of you?
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It helps you keep the guy from getting on top of you. Lee could hit one of these guys 3 or 4 times (And kill them) and still move away before they got a hold on him.Now, you may be right that his style wouldn't work in the UFC. I think they'd probably get better ratings if they allowed killing, but I can understand the legal/moral problems with that.
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why do you assume that he'd connect on these guys???MMA fighters are not pushovers...
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Because he was the best. I'm talking about in his prime, of course, not when he would have been 50.
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but the thing is this... Martial Arts have come a long way since Bruce Lee was the best in the world... he WAS the best, is he the best? Who knows...Also, how much of what we think of him comes from his movies and how much comes from how good he really is? (note: I don't know the answer to this)I know an MMA fighter and I asked him this, and he said that no one in MMA uses karate or kung fu or anything like that becuase it is useless once someone grabs you... thus if that is all you can do, it is pretty much useless, and boxing and other forms of martial arts are better for close punching...
 
Minotauro said:
TexanFan02 said:
It helps you keep the guy from getting on top of you. Lee could hit one of these guys 3 or 4 times (And kill them) and still move away before they got a hold on him.

Now, you may be right that his style wouldn't work in the UFC. I think they'd probably get better ratings if they allowed killing, but I can understand the legal/moral problems with that.
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On the one hand I want to hear what rule "killing" is against and how exactly it would occur. On the other, I'm embarrassed about some of the serious responses in 2007 to this fishing trip.
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Aren't you the one that follows MMA/UFC/Pride? Why don't you weigh in, or do you think this is beneath you?
 
Minotauro said:
oddball said:
Minotauro said:
B-Scott said:
Is she on a serious depression trip right now. That Kevin Federline dude must have done her real wrong. She is all drunk and on drugs all the time. Passing out in clubs. Going Bald.Im like daaaamn what the heck happened? Is she seriously depressed or something.
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ummm......huh?
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That's his other gem of a post from today.
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What the heck? What does this have to do with Bruce Lee
 
There is a reason Lee picked the septum into the skull... if he needed to find other parts on the body which would debiliate his opponent but not kill them, my guess is with Lee's skill level he could do it fairly easily.

With that in mind, I would think Lee would be able to strike his opponents one or two times enough to get in a truly damaging shot be it to the face, neck, knee, some very painful spot.

With his dedication, natural ability and sick quickness I think he could have transitioned to the limitations of the format without a problem. If you think he could kill his opponent at will, I suggest he would find a way to debilitate them in the context of the rules.

 
TexanFan02 said:
Aren't you the one that follows MMA/UFC/Pride? Why don't you weigh in, or do you think this is beneath you?
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I do follow MMA and I am a fan of Bruce Lee. I'm sure he would do well in his weight class if he chose to compete. However, some of the claims being made are nonsense.
 
Minotauro said:
TexanFan02 said:
Aren't you the one that follows MMA/UFC/Pride? Why don't you weigh in, or do you think this is beneath you?
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I do follow MMA and I am a fan of Bruce Lee. I'm sure he would do well in his weight class if he chose to compete. However, some of the claims being made are nonsense.
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Well, I don't follow it that much, so my claims may be nonsense. I still think he would find a way to win.
 
I think larryboy should read up on Bruce Lee. Even at 50 years old, Lee would own these "tournaments." He would win 99.9% of the time with an oft chance that someone will get lucky and land a punch or something.

 
Bruce Lee wouldn't stand a chance in the Octagon. I think his legend has been way overblown. The guy was a dance champion in China, but their are no records of him winning any martial arts tournaments. He got in a real fight with a teenager in one of his movies and won. Most martial artists believe that his fight with Wong Jack Man did not go the way it was portrayed in the movies.

I think there is a bit to much Bruce Lee koolaid being drunk.

 
Chaz McNulty said:
Bruce Lee wouldn't stand a chance in the Octagon. I think his legend has been way overblown. The guy was a dance champion in China, but their are no records of him winning any martial arts tournaments. He got in a real fight with a teenager in one of his movies and won. Most martial artists believe that his fight with Wong Jack Man did not go the way it was portrayed in the movies. I think there is a bit to much Bruce Lee koolaid being drunk.
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:lmao:
 
He could kill at least 3 MMA fighters before they could blink.

Then he would do a Noxplode commercial and kill em all!

 
OddBall

Wouldn't his speed advantage help him in preventing a guy from getting him on the ground.

 
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