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How high is too high for Christine Michael? (1 Viewer)

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If you like him better than any other RB, talent-wise, how high would you take him?

12 team 0.5 PPR dynasty rookie draft.

Do you dare take him top 5?

If Austin or Gio falls to you, do you pass up Michael to take the more immediate player? Or do you believe your talent evaluation and stick to Michael with BPA philosophy?

I have always been a BPA guy, and am thinking Michael at 5.

 
Too high by about 7 to 10 (or more) slots. Why take a guy at 5 when you can get him in the 2nd round in a rookie draft? If the 1.5 is the only pick you have, then trade down some and pick up some value. Michael carries a 2nd round value in most rookie drafts at the moment.

 
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I don't want to turn this into an advice question, but in this league he won't make it to round 2. I agree, too high in the general sense. But if you want him in this league, it will have to be first round.

So I want to see what some others think out there.

 
If you think he is the player you want, then take him when you can get him. Yes, in a perfect world, you would trade back from the 5th overall to the 12th (or wherever his current ADP is located), and pick up an extra pick or two, and then grab Michael right before the guy that was going to take him with the 13th. This is not a perfect world.

My honest suggestion, and a rule I follow ... If you want a player more than you want another that you may end up with, take the player when you can. If you like Michael's upside more than those other players that you think will be there when you pick, grab Michael at 5, take the blasting you will receive for drafting him early and walk away smiling.

I gave serious thought to grabbing Michael at 9 (12 team) but was lucky to land him at 14. The only reason I didn't grab him at 9 was I liked another player just a tad more, from a risk/reward standpoint, but if you don't have that feeling, grab that sucka and be happy you got whom you wanted.

Taking a verbal beating grabbing a player you want is a lot easier to take, than losing the player you really want one or two picks before you can grab him :cool:

 
I agree with ptsteelers. A common response to these is "just trade down" which assumes it is easy to maneuver around exactly where you need to be in order to get the guy you want. A few years ago I liked Randall Cobb more than Mark Ingram. I would probably been laughed at for taking Cobb over Ingram at a high pick but so what. The order in which guys are drafted is not the order of how valuable they end up being in FF. Now if you wanted a guy who was a sure-fire 4th rounder then I would suggest waiting at least until the 3rd round. However Michael is not a sleeper and if he is who you covet take him.

 
I think it depends on how much of a gambler you are. I would consider trading down or drafting who is the highest rated rookie RB and then see where Michael gets drafted. Let's say at #5 you can draft Bernard and Michael goes at #10. You should then be able to trade Bernard to that team for Michael plus a bit more.

In the end if you feel Michael is the guy you want I then would say forget the rankings and get the guy you really want if you believe in him and not mess with potentially not being able to acquire him.

 
If you like him better than any other RB, talent-wise, how high would you take him?

12 team 0.5 PPR dynasty rookie draft.

Do you dare take him top 5?

If Austin or Gio falls to you, do you pass up Michael to take the more immediate player? Or do you believe your talent evaluation and stick to Michael with BPA philosophy?

I have always been a BPA guy, and am thinking Michael at 5.
If this happens I would strongly consider trading up to the slot just directly behind where you are picking. That will allow you to get the person you see falling and your guy. This exact scenario happened to me (albeit with Patterson/Michael and down at the 1.10/1.11 slots) and I traded up with the 2.03 and 2.06 to get that 1.10.

 
I'm in about 7 different leagues with one other person and he moved ahead of me to get Michael in about 5 of the 7 leagues. The highest he had to trade up to was 1.6 (twice), but Michael was taken ahead of Bernard (non-PPR), Patterson, Bell, and Lacy in some of those leagues.

Personally I wouldn't take him ahead of Bernard or Lacy.

 
I'm in about 7 different leagues with one other person and he moved ahead of me to get Michael in about 5 of the 7 leagues. The highest he had to trade up to was 1.6 (twice), but Michael was taken ahead of Bernard (non-PPR), Patterson, Bell, and Lacy in some of those leagues.

Personally I wouldn't take him ahead of Bernard or Lacy.
What happened in the other two leagues?

 
I like him way more than Lacy. Just don't see a good fit in Green Bay.

I do like the potential of Gio in a blossoming offense. He would be very hard to pass on.

 
I'm in about 7 different leagues with one other person and he moved ahead of me to get Michael in about 5 of the 7 leagues. The highest he had to trade up to was 1.6 (twice), but Michael was taken ahead of Bernard (non-PPR), Patterson, Bell, and Lacy in some of those leagues.

Personally I wouldn't take him ahead of Bernard or Lacy.
What happened in the other two leagues?
First draft of the year I got him. Which kind of was fuel to the fire for him to start trading ahead of me to get him. I told him I was targeting him in a lot of leagues, and he was too.

One of the middle drafts, a 3rd guy who had noticed the 2nd guy acquiring him in all the leagues drafted him at 1.9, as sort of a "follow the smart people" move (not that there's anything wrong with that). Since then he's turned down way above retail trade offers for him, including I offered Ridley straight up (pre-Hern fwiw, I don't know if I'd offer it today - it was a power move since my team there is about perfect).

While it wasn't my intent, forcing him to overpay for Michael in 5 leagues is kind of to my benefit. Once I was able to trade 1.8 for Blackmon just because a marquee rookie dropped. Another time I was able to move 1.12 (Latt) for a QB upgrade that I wouldn't have done if Michael fell to me.

I posted this on another site and I'm sure no one cares that much but here it is

League 1: First draft of the year. Chris traded all his picks for established RBs, and had no ammo to move in. The earliest pick I had was 2.3 in a 14 teamer. At this point we don't know we are both going after him. When the draft gets to about 1.10 I start offering 2+3 to try and move up and secure him. No one bites, but he drops to 2.3 anyway, and I grab him.

League 2: Chris and I are talking about trading Ivory for his 1.9 because I need WR and want Allen. I have 1.8. He says he's too worried about what will be left because we both "draft the same way" so I just tell him I'm going to take Michael at 1.8. I leave the offer for Ivory at 1.9 on the table. When I wake up, Chris has traded up to 1.6 to get Michael (essentially giving up Stewart just to move up those 2 spots), accepted my trade for Ivory, and I get 2 WRs at 1.8 and 1.9.

League 3: I have pick 1.9 but a big need at TE. Chris doesn't have any picks, but some trade ammo to move in. The same guy owns 1.8, 1.11 and 1.12 so I figure I can get one of these picks from him. I offer him Wright for 1.8 but he turns it down and offers 1.12 instead. I leave the offer on the table, take Eifert at 1.9, and wait for 1.10. 1.10 is Franklin, and its late at night, so I figure I'll get one of Michael or Lattimore, and go ahead and take the trade for 1.12. When I wake up Chris has traded 2014 1st+3rd to get 1.11 and takes Michael.

League 4: We both get nabbed and someone else takes him at 1.9.

League 5: He has 1.10 and I have 1.12. He moves up to 1.8 just in case.

League 6: He has 1.10 and I don't have any picks. He sits tight and takes him at 1.10.

League 7: Last draft of the year. I have 1.5 and 1.7, and he has 1.8. It's a return yardage league so I take Patterson at 1.5 and don't even consider Michael. He trades into 1.6 to take Michael leaving both Lacy and Bell at 1.7. The guy at 1.8 gets a 2014 2nd+3rd for dropping back and having Lacy fall to him. Coincidentally it was the same owner who got Stewart in League 2.
 
Funny this topic is here because I drafted Michael at the 9 spot (10 team league, which I traded up to get him there). The pick was up for sale and me and another guy were basically bidding for Michael, turns out he liked my offer better and I came away really happy. All I gave was 1.10 and 3.1 for 1.9 and 3.3 so seems really good to me because there was a drop off in talent that I liked after Michael was gone.

I think if you like a guy then go for that guy regardless. I had Michael as #8 on my board overall and he was the next best available that I really wanted so I went after it.

 

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