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How long can RG3 keep this up? (1 Viewer)

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zelyoni

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This guy is good, but do you guys think he is going to last the whole season at the rate he's going now? Sould he be traded high if you can pick up Cam Newton?

He really is having quite an amazing rookie year, but not sure he has the durability.

 
As long as he stays healthy, I don't see why he can't. Don't forget he was without his #1 WR for 2 games. Good running game, bad defense should equate to good numbers.

 
Meh, the rest of the NFL caught up with Newton midway last year. A slow down is a distinct possibility, I would not rule it out.

 
Eventually he will come back to earth because defenses will adjust or he will get hurt or Washington will be worried he might get hurt and try to reign him in. All that said, guy has all the talent in the world to be an elite QB for 10 years +. Short of getting Cam Newton, Tom Brady/Drew Brees (If your goal is to win this year), or Aaron Rodgers he should be not be traded. Elite QBs are too hard to obtain. Talking dynasty here.

 
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He will slow down, but he's a top 5 Dynasty QB - who would you trade him for, straight up? Rodgers? anyone else??

 
'SameSongNDance said:
Meh, the rest of the NFL caught up with Newton midway last year. A slow down is a distinct possibility, I would not rule it out.
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People keep repeating this but it's really not true. In his 2nd half split Newton actually completed a higher percentage of his passes, had a slightly better TD-Int ratio, and ran for more yards and the exact same number of rushing TDs as he did in his 1st half split. Furthermore, the Panthers went 4-4 in the 2nd half of the season compared to 2-6 in the 1st half.The drop off in FF totals was due to passing yards, which was more a function of less attempts as Carolina threw the ball less, particularly in their 4 wins. Yet, Newton still finished top 5 as a rookie. So this notion that the NFL "caught up" with him is just not accurate.

As far as RGIII goes I think he can certainly keep this up and am just sick that I did not get him in any leagues this year. As a Skins fan and playing in a DC based league his cost is gonna be astronomical next year.

Will he have some rookie struggles and some underwhelming games? Of course. And he is likely to reign in the running some too. But if you look at his passing attempts he's had a relatively modest 124 through 4 games. That's over 40 less than Newton had in his first 4 games. But the attempts are trending up and RGIII has been extremely efficient in the passing game completing almost 70% of his passes and averaging a very impressive 8.6 ypa. Keep in mind that he has been missing his best WR for over 2 1/2 of those games.

The Skins D is awful and RGIII will need to score all year long. I think his redraft prospects for finishing top 5 are excellent and I'm biased but there is not a single player in dynasty that I'd rather have over RGIII.

ETA- Another factor Griffin has going for him is that he has been absolutely lethal in the redzone. He is always a threat to run in a score and I think he will continue to improve in the passing game as Garcon gets healthy and he develops a connection with Fred Davis and other receivers. I heard a stat the other day that the Skins have had 10 goal to goal situations this year and they've scored 10 TDs. As a Skin fan who has lived through some awful QBs and dreadful redzone production in recent years, it truly is an incredible sight to behold.

 
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'duaneok66 said:
He will slow down, but he's a top 5 Dynasty QB - who would you trade him for, straight up? Rodgers? anyone else??
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Guy wants to trade Rice and Newton for RG3 and Welker. I picked him in the 12th, so may end up keeping him, but trying to guage his value for the next year. Not really sure. But that's for the AC forum. I was just picking people's thought's on durability for THIS year, not 15 from now. :)
 
'zelyoni said:
'duaneok66 said:
He will slow down, but he's a top 5 Dynasty QB - who would you trade him for, straight up? Rodgers? anyone else??
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Guy wants to trade Rice and Newton for RG3 and Welker. I picked him in the 12th, so may end up keeping him, but trying to guage his value for the next year. Not really sure. But that's for the AC forum. I was just picking people's thought's on durability for THIS year, not 15 from now. :)
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Whoever is getting Rice and Newton should hit accept immediately. RG3 and Newton are of similar values and many would argue Cam > RG3. So that leaves Rice for Welker. Um yeah. Why can't I find leagues like this???
 
i say ride him this year - i think he'll turn in great #'s

But I would avoid him next year - once def coordinators get a year of film on him he'll regress as many "athletic" QB's do.

I think after he matures though that he could be a good player in year 3, 4

 
'zelyoni said:
'footballnerd said:
'zelyoni said:
Sould he be traded high if you can pick up Cam Newton?
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nice try
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I don't get it. I'm considering trading away and getting Newton in return for the other guy. Nice try how?
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I think he's referring to this:Threads that are asking for advice on how you should draft or manage your team belong in The Assistant Coach forum. And implying your post is a thinly veiled "should I make this trade" post that belongs in the other forum. That's just my guess though.
 
'TxBuckeye said:
'zelyoni said:
I don't get it. I'm considering trading away and getting Newton in return for the other guy. Nice try how?
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I think he's referring to this:Threads that are asking for advice on how you should draft or manage your team belong in The Assistant Coach forum. And implying your post is a thinly veiled "should I make this trade" post that belongs in the other forum. That's just my guess though.
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:moneybag:
 
My thoughts on RG3 are this. After 4 weeks is when defensive coordinators first feel they have enough game tape to start planning a scheme against a player. Example Cam Newtons first 4 weeks blew up, then a decline. And coordinators reevaluate every 4 weeks. So if I start to see a dip in production I sell high, because most likely they have begun to crack the code.

 
RGIII is the most accurate "athletic" QB that I have seen coming out of college in a long time. Defenses may adjust, but I think he's already a better pocket passer than guys like Newton and Vick coming out. He'll grow in Shanahan's system (which is QB friendly) and he'll make adjustments as time goes too. He'll be fine in year 2 and beyond, imo.

 
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He's taken some big hits this year, but he's definitely big enough to survive them unlike Vick. RG3 is pretty much the same size as Adrian Peterson, I realize that QB's don't have a good(safe) rushing technique like RB's, but RG3 should be fine as long as he can avoid the brutal hits like the one that he just took today.

And no, I am not an RG3 owner.

 
'Nucker101 said:
He's taken some big hits this year, but he's definitely big enough to survive them unlike Vick. RG3 is pretty much the same size as Adrian Peterson, I realize that QB's don't have a good(safe) rushing technique like RB's, but RG3 should be fine as long as he can avoid the brutal hits like the one that he just took today. And no, I am not an RG3 owner.
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RG3 is 2 inches taller, but they weigh the same (re: Vick).
 
'Nucker101 said:
He's taken some big hits this year, but he's definitely big enough to survive them unlike Vick. RG3 is pretty much the same size as Adrian Peterson, I realize that QB's don't have a good(safe) rushing technique like RB's, but RG3 should be fine as long as he can avoid the brutal hits like the one that he just took today. And no, I am not an RG3 owner.
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He can and will get injured if he keeps taking hits like that.
 
Shanahan calling it a "mild" concussion after the game virtually guarantees that he passes all tests this week, and starts next week.

 
May be for the best, he was playing a little to recklessly, kinda like how he was laying before getting hurt in college - wake up call would be good for him.

 
Man. I just traded this week for him in a dynasty league. I love the kid's talent but he really needs to learn when to get out of bounds or slide. I get there are times that he's running for a TD and will take a shot. Hell, it's his rushing ability that makes him a great fantasy qb but he takes a lot of hits that just don't seem necessary.

I would like to believe that the coaching staff will have a long talk to him after this injury about unnecessary hits.

 
'gatorbait said:
Man. I just traded this week for him in a dynasty league. I love the kid's talent but he really needs to learn when to get out of bounds or slide. I get there are times that he's running for a TD and will take a shot. Hell, it's his rushing ability that makes him a great fantasy qb but he takes a lot of hits that just don't seem necessary.

I would like to believe that the coaching staff will have a long talk to him after this injury about unnecessary hits.
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This has been a huge theme for RG3 so far this year, and RG3 has constantly mentioned that they have already been working a ton with him regarding this. The Redskins very quickly abandoned their triple option this year for example. I don't at all think this was an "unnecessary hit." It was 3rd and goal from the 3 in a tied game with 6 minutes left in the 3rd quarter against a good opponent when your team is 2-2...with an athletic QB, I think those are the times that you don't mind him taking injury risks.
 
He reminds me way too much of the way Cunningham played. I loved watching Cunningham like I do Griffin, but QB's have to be smarter when they run the ball if they want to have long careers.

 
'Assani Fisher said:
'gatorbait said:
Man. I just traded this week for him in a dynasty league. I love the kid's talent but he really needs to learn when to get out of bounds or slide. I get there are times that he's running for a TD and will take a shot. Hell, it's his rushing ability that makes him a great fantasy qb but he takes a lot of hits that just don't seem necessary.

I would like to believe that the coaching staff will have a long talk to him after this injury about unnecessary hits.
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This has been a huge theme for RG3 so far this year, and RG3 has constantly mentioned that they have already been working a ton with him regarding this. The Redskins very quickly abandoned their triple option this year for example. I don't at all think this was an "unnecessary hit." It was 3rd and goal from the 3 in a tied game with 6 minutes left in the 3rd quarter against a good opponent when your team is 2-2...with an athletic QB, I think those are the times that you don't mind him taking injury risks.
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I have no issue with him looking to run it in but he saw the defender and knew he wasn't going to score. Instead of going out of bounds he did a lame slide that let the guy hit him. He was literally two feet away from the sideline when he decided to slide. Griffin has got to play smarter than that.
 
That is the biggest difference between he and newton. Newton has the size to take those hits. Rg3 needs to change his style or he will be hanging out watching the games on jahvid bests couch.

 
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'cstu said:
'Assani Fisher said:
'gatorbait said:
Man. I just traded this week for him in a dynasty league. I love the kid's talent but he really needs to learn when to get out of bounds or slide. I get there are times that he's running for a TD and will take a shot. Hell, it's his rushing ability that makes him a great fantasy qb but he takes a lot of hits that just don't seem necessary.

I would like to believe that the coaching staff will have a long talk to him after this injury about unnecessary hits.
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This has been a huge theme for RG3 so far this year, and RG3 has constantly mentioned that they have already been working a ton with him regarding this. The Redskins very quickly abandoned their triple option this year for example. I don't at all think this was an "unnecessary hit." It was 3rd and goal from the 3 in a tied game with 6 minutes left in the 3rd quarter against a good opponent when your team is 2-2...with an athletic QB, I think those are the times that you don't mind him taking injury risks.
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I have no issue with him looking to run it in but he saw the defender and knew he wasn't going to score. Instead of going out of bounds he did a lame slide that let the guy hit him. He was literally two feet away from the sideline when he decided to slide. Griffin has got to play smarter than that.
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Could not agree more. He is the franchise. Shanahan must convince him to protect himself and not take those unnecessary hits. No shame in living to play another down when the play is fizzling.

 
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'BWill said:
I can't wait to see Washington build around RG3. his future in the NFL is going to be bright.
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if he's healthy.
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No need for him to run as much as he does. Morris is becoming a player as well. He looked like TD the other day.
 
'Mile High said:
'pbandy1 said:
'BWill said:
I can't wait to see Washington build around RG3. his future in the NFL is going to be bright.
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if he's healthy.
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No need for him to run as much as he does. Morris is becoming a player as well. He looked like TD the other day.
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true, but RG3 runs, it's ingrained in him. If he sees an opening, it's hard not to take it on the spot. He's a rookie so he's trying to do TOO much on the runs... he needs to learn how to slide and sacrifice yardage, or just go out of bounds. I hope the Redskins coaching staff has that talk with him.
 
'pbandy1 said:
'Mile High said:
'pbandy1 said:
'BWill said:
I can't wait to see Washington build around RG3. his future in the NFL is going to be bright.
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if he's healthy.
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No need for him to run as much as he does. Morris is becoming a player as well. He looked like TD the other day.
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true, but RG3 runs, it's ingrained in him. If he sees an opening, it's hard not to take it on the spot. He's a rookie so he's trying to do TOO much on the runs... he needs to learn how to slide and sacrifice yardage, or just go out of bounds. I hope the Redskins coaching staff has that talk with him.
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Hopefully he learned that lesson this pass weekend. His team needed him to win that game and was not available.
 
RG3 owners will be holding their collective breaths all season. It's easier said than done to tell a running QB to get out of bounds and not take a hit. This kid plays with a high intensity and passion level. If he can fight for more yards, he is going to do it.

 
'cstu said:
'Assani Fisher said:
'gatorbait said:
Man. I just traded this week for him in a dynasty league. I love the kid's talent but he really needs to learn when to get out of bounds or slide. I get there are times that he's running for a TD and will take a shot. Hell, it's his rushing ability that makes him a great fantasy qb but he takes a lot of hits that just don't seem necessary.

I would like to believe that the coaching staff will have a long talk to him after this injury about unnecessary hits.
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This has been a huge theme for RG3 so far this year, and RG3 has constantly mentioned that they have already been working a ton with him regarding this. The Redskins very quickly abandoned their triple option this year for example. I don't at all think this was an "unnecessary hit." It was 3rd and goal from the 3 in a tied game with 6 minutes left in the 3rd quarter against a good opponent when your team is 2-2...with an athletic QB, I think those are the times that you don't mind him taking injury risks.
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I have no issue with him looking to run it in but he saw the defender and knew he wasn't going to score. Instead of going out of bounds he did a lame slide that let the guy hit him. He was literally two feet away from the sideline when he decided to slide. Griffin has got to play smarter than that.
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I definitely agree with you. I'm simply optimistic- I think that because RG3 is so great at so many things, we tend to forget that hes still a rookie and will have rookie type mistakes in some areas. I think that his attitude and willingness to work hard on his faults will help him overcome this by his 2nd or 3 year....we just gotta hope for no super serious injuries before then.
 
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