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How many games will Chip Kelly win next year? (1 Viewer)

How long will he be coaching the Eagles?

  • 1 year

    Votes: 4 3.7%
  • 2 years

    Votes: 22 20.2%
  • 3 years

    Votes: 34 31.2%
  • 4 years or more

    Votes: 49 45.0%

  • Total voters
    109

ImTheScientist

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Im going to say 5-6 :football:He is Steve Spurrior 2.0. Sure his "tempo" offense works great with Tom Brady.... they don't have Brady. I don't see this ending well for him.I also feel he will only last 3 years with the eagles before going back to college.Just want to gauge people's thoughts.

 
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5-6 may actually be on the high side. They are not going to have the pieces in place next year. He will need at least 2-3 years to show significant improvement. Its a completely new system (whatever he decides to run) and Andy didn't exactly leave them with a ton of talent.Andy Reid won 5 games with the Eagles in his first year. I just want Kelly (or whoever the new coach was going to be) to show improvement. When they go multiple years in decline, like Andy did, they will re-evaluate and act accordingly.

 
Ill say 6, but that doesn't necessarily reflect on Kelly's coaching. The team needs a major infusion of talent, the defense is in need of a total overhaul, especially if they transition to a 3-4. And there's no telling what shape the OL (specifically Peters) will be. This was going to take a couple of years for any coach.

 
I'm saying 5-6 next year as well. Hopefully we see some progression though. If it's 5-6 wins and we're building towards something, then I'll be happy with that.

 
9-10. The Eagles are due for a bounceback. They had a ton of injuries and next year they will get a soft schedule.

 
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The Eagles offseason QB hunt looks like this:1. Try to trade up to draft Geno Smith.else, 2. Hope Geno Smith falls to #4.else, 3. Draft QB Matt Scott (Arizona) in the mid rounds, he is the only other mobile QB in the draft.else, 4. Try a season with Michael Vick.Maybe...take a flier on QB Collin Klein in the late rounds.If he gets the right QB to run his system, they might do well. Otherwise, its a rough year. Ask this question again after the draft.

 
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Did people watch the Eagles last year? Winning 5-6 games would be an improvement for a team that was 4 plays from 0-16.

 
Thinking 6-7. Voted 7-8 because I like Kelly a lot and want to give him the benefit of the doubt. I think he's a fantastic coaching hire and will be very successful in Philly.

 
He is Steve Spurrior 2.0.
Kelly may be Spurrier 2.0 with regard to having a gimmicky offense that doesn't translate to the pro game, but the other huge knock on Spurrier was that he had no work ethic. Pro coaches practically live in the team's facility during the season and make coaching their existence. The word in DC was that Spurrier wanted to keep his college lifsetyle where he coached a few hours a day and then hit the links. I can't see that with a younger, hungrier Kelly.
 
He is Steve Spurrior 2.0.
Kelly may be Spurrier 2.0 with regard to having a gimmicky offense that doesn't translate to the pro game, but the other huge knock on Spurrier was that he had no work ethic. Pro coaches practically live in the team's facility during the season and make coaching their existence. The word in DC was that Spurrier wanted to keep his college lifsetyle where he coached a few hours a day and then hit the links. I can't see that with a younger, hungrier Kelly.
:goodposting: The Spurrier comp people clearly don't know anything about either one of them.
 
Did people watch the Eagles last year? Winning 5-6 games would be an improvement for a team that was 4 plays from 0-16.
And the Panthers were 5 plays away from being 12 and 4 and hosting the NFC championship game this weekend.
 
I'm going with 9 wins. Look at what 2011 turds Minny, Indy, and Wash did this year.I'll stay Kelly hangs around for 4+ years. Too much money invested to cut him loose early and the franchise has a history of patience.

 
He is Steve Spurrior 2.0.
Kelly may be Spurrier 2.0 with regard to having a gimmicky offense that doesn't translate to the pro game, but the other huge knock on Spurrier was that he had no work ethic. Pro coaches practically live in the team's facility during the season and make coaching their existence. The word in DC was that Spurrier wanted to keep his college lifsetyle where he coached a few hours a day and then hit the links. I can't see that with a younger, hungrier Kelly.
:goodposting: The Spurrier comp people clearly don't know anything about either one of them.
Yep. It's basically saying Vince Young and Cam Newtown are the same.
 
'Chase Stuart said:
Did people watch the Eagles last year? Winning 5-6 games would be an improvement for a team that was 4 plays from 0-16.
Did people watch the Colts, Bucs, Rams, Vikings, or Redskins the year before? Are you really shocked that bad teams sometimes get better by making no major moves except for a coaching change after you wrote articles this year profiling Schiano's Bucs and Fisher's Rams?Four of the bottom five teams in point differential last year had 7+ wins this year. Two hit 10+ and made the playoffs. I don't think 6-7 wins is out of the question for Philly, especially if people keep underestimating Kelly and thinking he runs a gimmick offense, or if people keep making the wrong mathematical calls against him while he keeps making the right ones.
 
'Chase Stuart said:
Did people watch the Eagles last year? Winning 5-6 games would be an improvement for a team that was 4 plays from 0-16.
Did people watch the Colts, Bucs, Rams, Vikings, or Redskins the year before? Are you really shocked that bad teams sometimes get better by making no major moves except for a coaching change after you wrote articles this year profiling Schiano's Bucs and Fisher's Rams?Four of the bottom five teams in point differential last year had 7+ wins this year. Two hit 10+ and made the playoffs. I don't think 6-7 wins is out of the question for Philly, especially if people keep underestimating Kelly and thinking he runs a gimmick offense, or if people keep making the wrong mathematical calls against him while he keeps making the right ones.
The Colts added Andrew Luck. If the 2012 Colts had Curtis Painter, they probably win 4 games this year.The Bucs were able to add Doug Martin, Vincent Jackson, Carl Nicks, Lavonte David, Mark Barron, and got a monster year out of Gerald McCoy that they had been waiting for. They also quit on their coach in 2011 and were an embarrassment down the stretch, but were a 10-win team in 2011. I think Schiano did a good job with the run defense, but this was still a 7-9 team (when I wrote my article, they were a playoff contender). He also had a quarterback in place, and Freeman's improvement played a big role in Tampa Bay's improvement. I don't see a Kelly quarterback on the Eagles roster, let alone someone with the potential of Freeman.The Redskins added RG3. Without him, they probably win 5 games again in 2012.I think the Rams and Vikings are good examples of surprising turnarounds. But Minnesota underperformed their win total in 2011 and overperformed it in 2012, making their huge turnaround less drastic. In the pre-season, I noted that they and Miami were the two teams that underperformed the most in 2011. This year, they overperformed, but they only went from 5.5 Pythagorean wins to 8.8. And I think much of the actual improvement had to do with Adrian Peterson and not Leslie Frazier, who was there in 2011. That leaves the Rams, who I agree represent an impressive turnaround because of a great job. I thought Fisher did an outstanding job. However, teams like Cleveland and Kansas City and Jacksonville were bad in 2011 and bad in 2012, too. It's the exception to the rule. The Eagles were flat out bad this year, and Nick Foles was 1-5 as QB with the one win being a miracle. I bet if Fisher was the HC, the Eagles would have a good chance at a 7-9 type season in 2012, too. But I think Kelly has a complete rebuilding project on his hands, and if I was him, I'd focus on 2014, not 2013, when looking at the Eagles. When Jimmy Johnson went to Dallas, they were 3-13 the prior year, then fell to 1-15 in his first season.
 
The Eagles were flat out bad this year, and Nick Foles was 1-5 as QB with the one win being a miracle. I bet if Fisher was the HC, the Eagles would have a good chance at a 7-9 type season in 2012, too. But I think Kelly has a complete rebuilding project on his hands, and if I was him, I'd focus on 2014, not 2013, when looking at the Eagles. When Jimmy Johnson went to Dallas, they were 3-13 the prior year, then fell to 1-15 in his first season.
:yes: Which is why I posted what I did earlier. They need to completely tear down and rebuild the team. They are not a piece or two away from contention. They tried the rent-a-player route to make up for some terrible drafts. That has to stop. They need at least a solid draft or two. I certainly hope Kelly isn't evaluated on '13 results other than if they improve the talent level and appear to have a plan.

And since starting the thread, our OP has been :missing:

 
'Chase Stuart said:
Did people watch the Eagles last year? Winning 5-6 games would be an improvement for a team that was 4 plays from 0-16.
Did people watch the Colts, Bucs, Rams, Vikings, or Redskins the year before? Are you really shocked that bad teams sometimes get better by making no major moves except for a coaching change after you wrote articles this year profiling Schiano's Bucs and Fisher's Rams?Four of the bottom five teams in point differential last year had 7+ wins this year. Two hit 10+ and made the playoffs. I don't think 6-7 wins is out of the question for Philly, especially if people keep underestimating Kelly and thinking he runs a gimmick offense, or if people keep making the wrong mathematical calls against him while he keeps making the right ones.
The Colts added Andrew Luck. If the 2012 Colts had Curtis Painter, they probably win 4 games this year.The Bucs were able to add Doug Martin, Vincent Jackson, Carl Nicks, Lavonte David, Mark Barron, and got a monster year out of Gerald McCoy that they had been waiting for. They also quit on their coach in 2011 and were an embarrassment down the stretch, but were a 10-win team in 2011. I think Schiano did a good job with the run defense, but this was still a 7-9 team (when I wrote my article, they were a playoff contender). He also had a quarterback in place, and Freeman's improvement played a big role in Tampa Bay's improvement. I don't see a Kelly quarterback on the Eagles roster, let alone someone with the potential of Freeman.The Redskins added RG3. Without him, they probably win 5 games again in 2012.I think the Rams and Vikings are good examples of surprising turnarounds. But Minnesota underperformed their win total in 2011 and overperformed it in 2012, making their huge turnaround less drastic. In the pre-season, I noted that they and Miami were the two teams that underperformed the most in 2011. This year, they overperformed, but they only went from 5.5 Pythagorean wins to 8.8. And I think much of the actual improvement had to do with Adrian Peterson and not Leslie Frazier, who was there in 2011. That leaves the Rams, who I agree represent an impressive turnaround because of a great job. I thought Fisher did an outstanding job. However, teams like Cleveland and Kansas City and Jacksonville were bad in 2011 and bad in 2012, too. It's the exception to the rule. The Eagles were flat out bad this year, and Nick Foles was 1-5 as QB with the one win being a miracle. I bet if Fisher was the HC, the Eagles would have a good chance at a 7-9 type season in 2012, too. But I think Kelly has a complete rebuilding project on his hands, and if I was him, I'd focus on 2014, not 2013, when looking at the Eagles. When Jimmy Johnson went to Dallas, they were 3-13 the prior year, then fell to 1-15 in his first season.
You offer a lot of explanations for those turnarounds, but you offer them with the benefit of hindsight. When the Redskins drafted Griffin, did you expect them to win the division? When the Colts took Luck, did you see them getting 11 wins? Coming into the season, did you see Freeman rebounding, McCoy breaking out, Martin blowing up, and the Bucs getting 7 without Nicks? When the Rams hired Fisher, did you think that immediately made them a .500 team in the toughest division in football? When the Vikings underperformed last year, did you expect them to overperform this year by an equal margin? Did you think Adrian Peterson was about to put up the greatest rushing season in history when he blew out his knee on Christmas? Sure, there are lots of explanations for these turnarounds that seem obvious in hindsight, but at the time most of these teams looked as bleak as the Eagles. And if the Eagles turn it around, this time next year we'll all be talking about how obvious it was that they were going to. I mean, look at Maclin and Desean and McCoy and Brown! Look at all that offensive talent! And how amazing was that defensive talent once it got in the right scheme? Look at that secondary! And of course Foles was going to take a big step forward in his second year! It's so obvious! And Kelly's aggressive nature easily stole them some extra wins, and the AFCWest gave them a couple of free wins, and (insert rookie here) wound up being a huge impact player, and of course the Eagles improved! It's all so obvious! But (team that struggled in 2013) is just terrible, there's no way they'll turn it around...The Colts, Redskins, and Vikings all outperformed your early season expectations by at least 3 wins. The Rams only outperformed by 1.5, but that was because preseason you thought they were in the worst division in football, when it turned out they were in the best. These turnarounds might look obvious to you in hindsight, but at the time you seemed to think it about as likely as the 2013 Eagles winning 6 or 7 games.
 
'Riversco said:
The Eagles offseason QB hunt looks like this:1. Try to trade up to draft Geno Smith.else, 2. Hope Geno Smith falls to #4.else, 3. Draft QB Matt Scott (Arizona) in the mid rounds, he is the only other mobile QB in the draft.else, 4. Try a season with Michael Vick.Maybe...take a flier on QB Collin Klein in the late rounds.If he gets the right QB to run his system, they might do well. Otherwise, its a rough year. Ask this question again after the draft.
Did CK have a running QB at UNH when he was dominating there?
 
'Chase Stuart said:
Did people watch the Eagles last year? Winning 5-6 games would be an improvement for a team that was 4 plays from 0-16.
Did people watch the Colts, Bucs, Rams, Vikings, or Redskins the year before? Are you really shocked that bad teams sometimes get better by making no major moves except for a coaching change after you wrote articles this year profiling Schiano's Bucs and Fisher's Rams?Four of the bottom five teams in point differential last year had 7+ wins this year. Two hit 10+ and made the playoffs. I don't think 6-7 wins is out of the question for Philly, especially if people keep underestimating Kelly and thinking he runs a gimmick offense, or if people keep making the wrong mathematical calls against him while he keeps making the right ones.
The Colts added Andrew Luck. If the 2012 Colts had Curtis Painter, they probably win 4 games this year.The Bucs were able to add Doug Martin, Vincent Jackson, Carl Nicks, Lavonte David, Mark Barron, and got a monster year out of Gerald McCoy that they had been waiting for. They also quit on their coach in 2011 and were an embarrassment down the stretch, but were a 10-win team in 2011. I think Schiano did a good job with the run defense, but this was still a 7-9 team (when I wrote my article, they were a playoff contender). He also had a quarterback in place, and Freeman's improvement played a big role in Tampa Bay's improvement. I don't see a Kelly quarterback on the Eagles roster, let alone someone with the potential of Freeman.The Redskins added RG3. Without him, they probably win 5 games again in 2012.I think the Rams and Vikings are good examples of surprising turnarounds. But Minnesota underperformed their win total in 2011 and overperformed it in 2012, making their huge turnaround less drastic. In the pre-season, I noted that they and Miami were the two teams that underperformed the most in 2011. This year, they overperformed, but they only went from 5.5 Pythagorean wins to 8.8. And I think much of the actual improvement had to do with Adrian Peterson and not Leslie Frazier, who was there in 2011. That leaves the Rams, who I agree represent an impressive turnaround because of a great job. I thought Fisher did an outstanding job. However, teams like Cleveland and Kansas City and Jacksonville were bad in 2011 and bad in 2012, too. It's the exception to the rule. The Eagles were flat out bad this year, and Nick Foles was 1-5 as QB with the one win being a miracle. I bet if Fisher was the HC, the Eagles would have a good chance at a 7-9 type season in 2012, too. But I think Kelly has a complete rebuilding project on his hands, and if I was him, I'd focus on 2014, not 2013, when looking at the Eagles. When Jimmy Johnson went to Dallas, they were 3-13 the prior year, then fell to 1-15 in his first season.
You offer a lot of explanations for those turnarounds, but you offer them with the benefit of hindsight. When the Redskins drafted Griffin, did you expect them to win the division? When the Colts took Luck, did you see them getting 11 wins? Coming into the season, did you see Freeman rebounding, McCoy breaking out, Martin blowing up, and the Bucs getting 7 without Nicks? When the Rams hired Fisher, did you think that immediately made them a .500 team in the toughest division in football? When the Vikings underperformed last year, did you expect them to overperform this year by an equal margin? Did you think Adrian Peterson was about to put up the greatest rushing season in history when he blew out his knee on Christmas? Sure, there are lots of explanations for these turnarounds that seem obvious in hindsight, but at the time most of these teams looked as bleak as the Eagles. And if the Eagles turn it around, this time next year we'll all be talking about how obvious it was that they were going to. I mean, look at Maclin and Desean and McCoy and Brown! Look at all that offensive talent! And how amazing was that defensive talent once it got in the right scheme? Look at that secondary! And of course Foles was going to take a big step forward in his second year! It's so obvious! And Kelly's aggressive nature easily stole them some extra wins, and the AFCWest gave them a couple of free wins, and (insert rookie here) wound up being a huge impact player, and of course the Eagles improved! It's all so obvious! But (team that struggled in 2013) is just terrible, there's no way they'll turn it around...The Colts, Redskins, and Vikings all outperformed your early season expectations by at least 3 wins. The Rams only outperformed by 1.5, but that was because preseason you thought they were in the worst division in football, when it turned out they were in the best. These turnarounds might look obvious to you in hindsight, but at the time you seemed to think it about as likely as the 2013 Eagles winning 6 or 7 games.
I don't disagree with any of what you said. My point is only that there's only so much a coach can do. I don't attribute those turnarounds to great coaching as much as I do to great players. And you're right, if some of the Eagles big names do play well, then yes, that would be more on them than the coaching.But my point is I think Kelly goes for a tear down/rebuild, not reload. If that's the case, judging him by his 2013 record makes little sense.
 
I think the Eagles could quickly become a very good offensive team if they can get their Oline issues worked out. In the Eagles thread, a fan told me that injured lineman getting healthy would fix that problem. While I think that's stretching it a bit (their oline has stunk for 3 straight years), that factor, plus the addition of linemen in the draft and free agency could make this offense pretty darn good.I'd keep Vick, bolster the Oline and turn this into a running team. Get Lesean McCoy and Bryce Brown the ball, feed them and let Vick run 5-10 times a game. Then take your shots with Maclin and Jackson. Running the ball that much keeps the defense off the field, and should naturally cause them to play a bit better. I'd focus on the offense in the draft and in free agency this year. Build from strength. Try to turn this into a dynamite offense, and plug defensive holes along the way.

 
I think the Eagles could quickly become a very good offensive team if they can get their Oline issues worked out. In the Eagles thread, a fan told me that injured lineman getting healthy would fix that problem. While I think that's stretching it a bit (their oline has stunk for 3 straight years), that factor, plus the addition of linemen in the draft and free agency could make this offense pretty darn good.I'd keep Vick, bolster the Oline and turn this into a running team. Get Lesean McCoy and Bryce Brown the ball, feed them and let Vick run 5-10 times a game. Then take your shots with Maclin and Jackson. Running the ball that much keeps the defense off the field, and should naturally cause them to play a bit better. I'd focus on the offense in the draft and in free agency this year. Build from strength. Try to turn this into a dynamite offense, and plug defensive holes along the way.
Not true. The Eagles offensive line was fine in 2011.
 
I think the Eagles could quickly become a very good offensive team if they can get their Oline issues worked out. In the Eagles thread, a fan told me that injured lineman getting healthy would fix that problem. While I think that's stretching it a bit (their oline has stunk for 3 straight years), that factor, plus the addition of linemen in the draft and free agency could make this offense pretty darn good.I'd keep Vick, bolster the Oline and turn this into a running team. Get Lesean McCoy and Bryce Brown the ball, feed them and let Vick run 5-10 times a game. Then take your shots with Maclin and Jackson. Running the ball that much keeps the defense off the field, and should naturally cause them to play a bit better. I'd focus on the offense in the draft and in free agency this year. Build from strength. Try to turn this into a dynamite offense, and plug defensive holes along the way.
Not true. The Eagles offensive line was fine in 2011.
I'll defer to your opinion as an Eagles fan. I thought I recalled poor pass protection in 2011 and Vick taking numerous shots.
 
I think the Eagles could quickly become a very good offensive team if they can get their Oline issues worked out. In the Eagles thread, a fan told me that injured lineman getting healthy would fix that problem. While I think that's stretching it a bit (their oline has stunk for 3 straight years), that factor, plus the addition of linemen in the draft and free agency could make this offense pretty darn good.I'd keep Vick, bolster the Oline and turn this into a running team. Get Lesean McCoy and Bryce Brown the ball, feed them and let Vick run 5-10 times a game. Then take your shots with Maclin and Jackson. Running the ball that much keeps the defense off the field, and should naturally cause them to play a bit better. I'd focus on the offense in the draft and in free agency this year. Build from strength. Try to turn this into a dynamite offense, and plug defensive holes along the way.
Not true. The Eagles offensive line was fine in 2011.
I'll defer to your opinion as an Eagles fan. I thought I recalled poor pass protection in 2011 and Vick taking numerous shots.
Many of the shots Vick takes are self-induced.
 
I can't wait to see what he does with Nick Foles, since he's not a "Chip Kelly QB". I think a lot of people are going to be surprised.

 
'Chase Stuart said:
Did people watch the Eagles last year? Winning 5-6 games would be an improvement for a team that was 4 plays from 0-16.
Did people watch the Colts, Bucs, Rams, Vikings, or Redskins the year before? Are you really shocked that bad teams sometimes get better by making no major moves except for a coaching change after you wrote articles this year profiling Schiano's Bucs and Fisher's Rams?Four of the bottom five teams in point differential last year had 7+ wins this year. Two hit 10+ and made the playoffs. I don't think 6-7 wins is out of the question for Philly, especially if people keep underestimating Kelly and thinking he runs a gimmick offense, or if people keep making the wrong mathematical calls against him while he keeps making the right ones.
The Colts added Andrew Luck. If the 2012 Colts had Curtis Painter, they probably win 4 games this year.The Bucs were able to add Doug Martin, Vincent Jackson, Carl Nicks, Lavonte David, Mark Barron, and got a monster year out of Gerald McCoy that they had been waiting for. They also quit on their coach in 2011 and were an embarrassment down the stretch, but were a 10-win team in 2011. I think Schiano did a good job with the run defense, but this was still a 7-9 team (when I wrote my article, they were a playoff contender). He also had a quarterback in place, and Freeman's improvement played a big role in Tampa Bay's improvement. I don't see a Kelly quarterback on the Eagles roster, let alone someone with the potential of Freeman.The Redskins added RG3. Without him, they probably win 5 games again in 2012.I think the Rams and Vikings are good examples of surprising turnarounds. But Minnesota underperformed their win total in 2011 and overperformed it in 2012, making their huge turnaround less drastic. In the pre-season, I noted that they and Miami were the two teams that underperformed the most in 2011. This year, they overperformed, but they only went from 5.5 Pythagorean wins to 8.8. And I think much of the actual improvement had to do with Adrian Peterson and not Leslie Frazier, who was there in 2011. That leaves the Rams, who I agree represent an impressive turnaround because of a great job. I thought Fisher did an outstanding job. However, teams like Cleveland and Kansas City and Jacksonville were bad in 2011 and bad in 2012, too. It's the exception to the rule. The Eagles were flat out bad this year, and Nick Foles was 1-5 as QB with the one win being a miracle. I bet if Fisher was the HC, the Eagles would have a good chance at a 7-9 type season in 2012, too. But I think Kelly has a complete rebuilding project on his hands, and if I was him, I'd focus on 2014, not 2013, when looking at the Eagles. When Jimmy Johnson went to Dallas, they were 3-13 the prior year, then fell to 1-15 in his first season.
Funny how when the Jets get lucky and make they playoffs you justify it on talent across the board, but when another team does it, it's because one player had a year that couldn't be predicted.
 
The Eagles offseason QB hunt looks like this:1. Try to trade up to draft Geno Smith.else, 2. Hope Geno Smith falls to #4.else, 3. Draft QB Matt Scott (Arizona) in the mid rounds, he is the only other mobile QB in the draft.else, 4. Try a season with Michael Vick.Maybe...take a flier on QB Collin Klein in the late rounds.If he gets the right QB to run his system, they might do well. Otherwise, its a rough year. Ask this question again after the draft.
No. If anything they go for Joeckel at 4 if Reid doesn't move on him first
 
'Billy Bats said:
I can't wait to see what he does with Nick Foles, since he's not a "Chip Kelly QB". I think a lot of people are going to be surprised.
You can't surprise stupid people.
 

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