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How many leagues is "too many"? (1 Viewer)

Thanks for all of the comments....they provide some interesting insight on the thought process behind people playing in a bunch of leagues.Not for nothing but in my opinion, any grown man playing in more the 3 leagues has an addiction or a void in their life they are trying to fill with gambling. Merry Festivus!
LOL, I would agree I am addicted to FF. Hence, the 10 leagues. But the fact that in 10+ years of doing this, I have never lost money...that seems decent to me. I manage it well. I take my winnings from the year, put it into a separate account, and that is the money I use for the next year. Anything left over, just collects interest I guess. I would say, even with a wife (or steady gf who I have lived with for the past 3 years, and accepts my addiction lol), I would still be in 8-12 leagues. It just doesn't fulfill me, unless I can have some vested interest in EVERY SINGLE game on Sunday. But I do agree in part...I feel like most people shouldn't partake this seriously unless they have the right frame of mind. Most people, I would say, that dive in the way I do, have issues...more than likely
 
Not for nothing but in my opinion, any grown man playing in more the 3 leagues has an addiction or a void in their life they are trying to fill with gambling.
This is a dumb thing to say. For a bunch of reasons. For one thing, FF isn't gambling, at least not in any sense that is gonna scratch any gambling itch that anyone has. I have been around a lot of gamblers, and none of them decide to NOT gamble any given Sunday because their fantasy teams are going. So if anyone has a "void in their life they are trying to fill with gambling" (hey, how are those junior college psych classes going?) FF isn't going to do it.

For another, I know a lot of guys that have time to manage a lot of teams. Maybe they work in an office with a lot of down time. Or they are more organized than I could ever be. Oh man, or maybe they aren't married, and have no kids! This is the main "void in my life" allowing multiple teams, and I hope this is one void that continues to be there for a bit.

You don't get to decide what is too much. You can have an opinion, of course. But when it's just some number you pulled out of your backside, that makes a massive generalization about something you couldn't possibly actually know, well.....there are opinions you consider, and ones you don't, right?

Guys have free time. If some guy claims he only has time for one league, because he is just too busy but finds time to go to a bar 4 times a week, is that 'void he is trying to fill'? Is he a problem drinker? Some other chooses to not hit the bars 4 times a week, and can manage 5-7 teams. It's however they choose to spend their time. Not for nothing, and I know it was just a harmless comment, and you qualified it by saying 'not for nothing' (which doesn't mean anything, by the way, it's like saying "just sayin'"), but I occasionally play in leagues with guys that have this weird affliction as well:

"Hey, I am gonna join in this nerdery, but it's only acceptable to do the amount I do. Any more, and I think you have a problem!"

 
Not for nothing but in my opinion, any grown man playing in more the 3 leagues has an addiction or a void in their life they are trying to fill with gambling.
Funny, I play in 5 leagues but rarely gamble, not even in vegas. I played 2 spreads so far this year. I don't play in any other fantasy sport. I think I just really love analyzing football talent. :shrug:
 
The research is 90% of the time at least. To me, anything less than 3 leagues doesn't justify the time spent analyzing situations, stats, trends, etc. I spend about 15 minutes per league every week looking at the waiver wire and setting my lineup. I don't think the number of leagues really matters. Personally, I've decided to cut back FF research to spend more time on the stock market. Ultimately if this cut back makes me less competitive then I'll lose interest altogether. Halfa55ing 1-2 leagues just doesn't sound fun to me. It is 0 or 4+ for me. Same with beers...

 
Not for nothing but in my opinion, any grown man playing in more the 3 leagues has an addiction or a void in their life they are trying to fill with gambling.
This is a dumb thing to say. For a bunch of reasons. For one thing, FF isn't gambling, at least not in any sense that is gonna scratch any gambling itch that anyone has. I have been around a lot of gamblers, and none of them decide to NOT gamble any given Sunday because their fantasy teams are going. So if anyone has a "void in their life they are trying to fill with gambling" (hey, how are those junior college psych classes going?) FF isn't going to do it.

For another, I know a lot of guys that have time to manage a lot of teams. Maybe they work in an office with a lot of down time. Or they are more organized than I could ever be. Oh man, or maybe they aren't married, and have no kids! This is the main "void in my life" allowing multiple teams, and I hope this is one void that continues to be there for a bit.

You don't get to decide what is too much. You can have an opinion, of course. But when it's just some number you pulled out of your backside, that makes a massive generalization about something you couldn't possibly actually know, well.....there are opinions you consider, and ones you don't, right?

Guys have free time. If some guy claims he only has time for one league, because he is just too busy but finds time to go to a bar 4 times a week, is that 'void he is trying to fill'? Is he a problem drinker? Some other chooses to not hit the bars 4 times a week, and can manage 5-7 teams. It's however they choose to spend their time. Not for nothing, and I know it was just a harmless comment, and you qualified it by saying 'not for nothing' (which doesn't mean anything, by the way, it's like saying "just sayin'"), but I occasionally play in leagues with guys that have this weird affliction as well:

"Hey, I am gonna join in this nerdery, but it's only acceptable to do the amount I do. Any more, and I think you have a problem!"
Sorry to offend you sparky. If playing in 10 fantasy leagues is how you find happiness, good for you. Just realize that the vast majority of sane Americans have other hobbies and interests.

Good luck to you in your 10 championship games this week!

 
Not for nothing but in my opinion, any grown man playing in more the 3 leagues has an addiction or a void in their life they are trying to fill with gambling.
Funny, I play in 5 leagues but rarely gamble, not even in vegas. I played 2 spreads so far this year. I don't play in any other fantasy sport. I think I just really love analyzing football talent. :shrug:
Same. I don't play any leagues for the money, I never gamble on any sports. I just like the idea of building teams and seeing if what I think I know pans out while giving me a reason to be interested in games I normally wouldn't. I DO believe I'm losing interest as it seems the benefit of researching that used to exist is largely gone (or at least the return is not worth the effort anymore).
 
Sorry to offend you sparky. If playing in 10 fantasy leagues is how you find happiness, good for you. Just realize that the vast majority of sane Americans have other hobbies and interests.Good luck to you in your 10 championship games this week!
I'd argue that ff is a hobby. I also think that adding more leagues really doesn't add that much time considering you'll be reading all of the news/rankings anyway.
 
Not for nothing but in my opinion, any grown man playing in more the 3 leagues has an addiction or a void in their life they are trying to fill with gambling.
This is a dumb thing to say. For a bunch of reasons. For one thing, FF isn't gambling, at least not in any sense that is gonna scratch any gambling itch that anyone has. I have been around a lot of gamblers, and none of them decide to NOT gamble any given Sunday because their fantasy teams are going. So if anyone has a "void in their life they are trying to fill with gambling" (hey, how are those junior college psych classes going?) FF isn't going to do it.

For another, I know a lot of guys that have time to manage a lot of teams. Maybe they work in an office with a lot of down time. Or they are more organized than I could ever be. Oh man, or maybe they aren't married, and have no kids! This is the main "void in my life" allowing multiple teams, and I hope this is one void that continues to be there for a bit.

You don't get to decide what is too much. You can have an opinion, of course. But when it's just some number you pulled out of your backside, that makes a massive generalization about something you couldn't possibly actually know, well.....there are opinions you consider, and ones you don't, right?

Guys have free time. If some guy claims he only has time for one league, because he is just too busy but finds time to go to a bar 4 times a week, is that 'void he is trying to fill'? Is he a problem drinker? Some other chooses to not hit the bars 4 times a week, and can manage 5-7 teams. It's however they choose to spend their time. Not for nothing, and I know it was just a harmless comment, and you qualified it by saying 'not for nothing' (which doesn't mean anything, by the way, it's like saying "just sayin'"), but I occasionally play in leagues with guys that have this weird affliction as well:

"Hey, I am gonna join in this nerdery, but it's only acceptable to do the amount I do. Any more, and I think you have a problem!"
Sorry to offend you sparky. If playing in 10 fantasy leagues is how you find happiness, good for you. Just realize that the vast majority of sane Americans have other hobbies and interests.

Good luck to you in your 10 championship games this week!
Grrr, he called me Sparky!! That makes me mad!
 
Not for nothing but in my opinion, any grown man playing in more the 3 leagues has an addiction or a void in their life they are trying to fill with gambling.
This is a dumb thing to say. For a bunch of reasons. For one thing, FF isn't gambling, at least not in any sense that is gonna scratch any gambling itch that anyone has. I have been around a lot of gamblers, and none of them decide to NOT gamble any given Sunday because their fantasy teams are going. So if anyone has a "void in their life they are trying to fill with gambling" (hey, how are those junior college psych classes going?) FF isn't going to do it.

For another, I know a lot of guys that have time to manage a lot of teams. Maybe they work in an office with a lot of down time. Or they are more organized than I could ever be. Oh man, or maybe they aren't married, and have no kids! This is the main "void in my life" allowing multiple teams, and I hope this is one void that continues to be there for a bit.

You don't get to decide what is too much. You can have an opinion, of course. But when it's just some number you pulled out of your backside, that makes a massive generalization about something you couldn't possibly actually know, well.....there are opinions you consider, and ones you don't, right?

Guys have free time. If some guy claims he only has time for one league, because he is just too busy but finds time to go to a bar 4 times a week, is that 'void he is trying to fill'? Is he a problem drinker? Some other chooses to not hit the bars 4 times a week, and can manage 5-7 teams. It's however they choose to spend their time. Not for nothing, and I know it was just a harmless comment, and you qualified it by saying 'not for nothing' (which doesn't mean anything, by the way, it's like saying "just sayin'"), but I occasionally play in leagues with guys that have this weird affliction as well:

"Hey, I am gonna join in this nerdery, but it's only acceptable to do the amount I do. Any more, and I think you have a problem!"
Sorry to offend you sparky. If playing in 10 fantasy leagues is how you find happiness, good for you. Just realize that the vast majority of sane Americans have other hobbies and interests.

Good luck to you in your 10 championship games this week!
Yeah...I think you struck a nerve with a guy that has about 22 leagues. :) To each their own and its different for all but I agree that under a typical, normal circumstance, that if you're a grown adult, at some point if you choose to have a meaningful job/career, other people in your life, and interests in more than just a few things, it becomes hard to actively participate in 5-10 serious leagues.

I know its easy to say "I can do this in about 15 minutes per league...etc" but let's be real here guys. No one is kidding anyone. We have ALL chased this dragon before. We all know how a "quick check" to pick waivers for a week turns into someone reminding you that you should have left the house 20 minutes ago.

I would wager that the vast majority of people playing in the playoffs likely spent more than 15 minutes trying to decid between one player to insert into their lineup this week. Time really gets away from people in FF.

 
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3 is good for me. Of course, I want all of them to be super active and its hard to find leagues that truly are.

 
This is different for everyone.

Personally, I'm in 3 money leagues, and at times its too much. Going against players I have going for me in another league definately takes some of the fun out of it.

I'd much rather focus on 2-3 leagues where I know the other owners, and not have a bunch contradictory matchups, than be in 10 leagues where you prolly have darn near every combination of players you could possibly get.

 
To many is however many it takes till it's not enjoyable. Or if it negatively impacts other things. If FF is your meth, sometimes you have to step away from the crack pipe

 
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12 Dynasty leagues - all PPR with similar lineup requirements

15 Redraft leagues - all PPR with similar lineup requirements

The key for me is not mixing up scoring and lineup requirements. That is the only thing that can get very confusing.

I also don't play in any "salary cap" or leagues that have a novels worth of rules. I can't handle all that.

Waivers are a real pain in the butt. Other than that I have no issues keeping up with it all.

I can understand how others couldn't accomplish this, I'm totally badass so that helps.

 
For me, 2 is too many. 1 contract keeper league with full IDP is perfect for my style.

I would rather be fully invested, both financially and emotionally, in 1 league and 1 team.

No conflicts in who to root for and against. No second chances.

Plus, I've realized that I can only truly know one set of rules and one scoring system well enough to stay on top of my strategy year round. Also, brings clarity to my ability to value players accurately.

More power to you guys who can keep up with multiple leagues...way too advanced for me.

 
Sorry to offend you sparky. If playing in 10 fantasy leagues is how you find happiness, good for you. Just realize that the vast majority of sane Americans have other hobbies and interests.Good luck to you in your 10 championship games this week!
Insinuating that the poster is not sane, nice call bro. I played in 11 leagues this year. For me it's about making and winning money. I made the playoffs in 5 of the leagues. Championship game in 4 of the leagues. Thanks Calvin! With one or two leagues it's boom or bust in that you are stuck with what you have. 11 leagues, more options, more $$ in your pocket.
 
I play in quite a few leagues, but there's no magic number. It depends on a multitude of things. Family dynamics, job, other hobbies, etc.

I'm self-employed & almost always connected (as in have my computer or phone handy to keep up with things). I couldn't play in as many when I was younger & we had all the kids living at home, though. Obviously, family commitments come first. Another thing is football just happens to take place in the slowest months as far as my other time commitments, hobbies, etc. If not, no way I would play in as many.

That said, as we all know, life is fluid. I may need to drop some leagues depending on circumstances or maybe I'll simply want to devote more time to other things...or maybe I get burned out & quit playing FF. Who knows. In short, I play in as many as I can enjoy. That's the right number, IMO.

 
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12 Dynasty leagues - all PPR with similar lineup requirements15 Redraft leagues - all PPR with similar lineup requirementsThe key for me is not mixing up scoring and lineup requirements. That is the only thing that can get very confusing.I also don't play in any "salary cap" or leagues that have a novels worth of rules. I can't handle all that.Waivers are a real pain in the butt. Other than that I have no issues keeping up with it all. I can understand how others couldn't accomplish this, I'm totally badass so that helps.
I'm thinking we have vastly different definitions for the word "badass".
 
When you're in 27 Championship games this weekend you can talk to me...until then YOU CAN'T SEE ME

12 Dynasty leagues - all PPR with similar lineup requirements15 Redraft leagues - all PPR with similar lineup requirementsThe key for me is not mixing up scoring and lineup requirements. That is the only thing that can get very confusing.I also don't play in any "salary cap" or leagues that have a novels worth of rules. I can't handle all that.Waivers are a real pain in the butt. Other than that I have no issues keeping up with it all. I can understand how others couldn't accomplish this, I'm totally badass so that helps.
I'm thinking we have vastly different definitions for the word "badass".
 
12 Dynasty leagues - all PPR with similar lineup requirements15 Redraft leagues - all PPR with similar lineup requirementsThe key for me is not mixing up scoring and lineup requirements. That is the only thing that can get very confusing.I also don't play in any "salary cap" or leagues that have a novels worth of rules. I can't handle all that.Waivers are a real pain in the butt. Other than that I have no issues keeping up with it all. I can understand how others couldn't accomplish this, I'm totally badass so that helps.
I'm thinking we have vastly different definitions for the word "badass".
:goodposting:
 
OP is quite insulting in regards to those who spend their own time doing what they wish, which just happens to entail playing FF in more leagues than the OP. Please. :rolleyes:

I am in 4 leagues this year. I'd prefer 3, but my gf wanted to break into fantasy so I joined a free ESPN league with her, and I have a feeling that this trend will continue. :(

1 dynasty with a small $20 buy-in.

1 dynasty consisting of "internet friends" from a Redskins message board.

1 keeper league I took a spot in to help someone out.

1 re-draft with gf (mentioned above).

That's 4 leagues, which seems to be just about right for me.

But who are you to say what makes a person "sane" or not. I mean, 30 leagues is ridiculous. But anything more than 3 meaning mental problems or an addiction? You like to spend your time doing other things. Maybe you have a wife and kids. A demanding job, maybe, I don't know. Other hobbies, I don't know.

But lets still keep it in perspective that we arbitrarily assign "worth" to every activity we partake in. You assign lower value to playing FF as a hobby, and too much of it is strange to you. Others might consider investing too much time and energy into work or whatever other hobbies YOU enjoy "insane". After all, your hobbies are yours because YOU like them, not someone else. And work is just a way to gain status in the world, as well as money, a completely arbitrary economic device that every person values at a different level. As long as they are supporting themselves and their families as well as is necessary, while enjoying life, who are you to pass judgement? Get over yourself, cool guy. You're posting on a FF message board. You play in multiple leagues. Arbitrarily drawing a line to decide when it gets too nerdy, silly, irresponsible, or whatever is comical. Its like the guy who loves Star Trek, participates on a Star Trek message board, and saw the new movie 3 times in the theater arbitrarily deciding that going to a convention is what makes you a total loser with messed up priorities.

 
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I'm in 14 dynasty leagues and 1 keeper. Too many can only be defined when I have a bad year and don't have much success. This year I'm in 4 finals. Not really thrilled but its not that horrible either. I know people in my leagues that are in 25+ leagues.

 
12 Dynasty leagues - all PPR with similar lineup requirements15 Redraft leagues - all PPR with similar lineup requirementsThe key for me is not mixing up scoring and lineup requirements. That is the only thing that can get very confusing.I also don't play in any "salary cap" or leagues that have a novels worth of rules. I can't handle all that.Waivers are a real pain in the butt. Other than that I have no issues keeping up with it all. I can understand how others couldn't accomplish this, I'm totally badass so that helps.
I'm thinking we have vastly different definitions for the word "badass".
I can confirm he is a badass.
 
12 Dynasty leagues - all PPR with similar lineup requirements15 Redraft leagues - all PPR with similar lineup requirementsThe key for me is not mixing up scoring and lineup requirements. That is the only thing that can get very confusing.I also don't play in any "salary cap" or leagues that have a novels worth of rules. I can't handle all that.Waivers are a real pain in the butt. Other than that I have no issues keeping up with it all. I can understand how others couldn't accomplish this, I'm totally badass so that helps.
I'm thinking we have vastly different definitions for the word "badass".
I can confirm he is a badass.
:bye: :thumbup:
 
Thanks for all of the comments....they provide some interesting insight on the thought process behind people playing in a bunch of leagues.Not for nothing but in my opinion, any grown man playing in more the 3 leagues has an addiction or a void in their life they are trying to fill with gambling. Merry Festivus!
I hate my job, my wife, my life and my dog. My fantasy teams are really the only reason I get up in the morning.
 
Thanks for all of the comments....they provide some interesting insight on the thought process behind people playing in a bunch of leagues.Not for nothing but in my opinion, any grown man playing in more the 3 leagues has an addiction or a void in their life they are trying to fill with gambling. Merry Festivus!
merry festivus! = fail
 
it's a lot different when you are just playing vs. running the league.

I run 2 FFL leagues and one pick 'em pool.

That's all I can handle.

If I were only PARTICIPATING in leagues and not running them i think it would be no sweat to do 3-4 leagues and 1 pick 'em

 
I don't want to divulge the FBG rankings.

But the early rankings were a bit surprising.. in my league the highest defense ranked still on the WW is Washington... ranked above Tenn which is ranked a decent number of spots over Seattle.

It has me really questioning my pick of Seattle over someone like Tenn or Washington... am I a victim of recency bias here with Tenn's terrible play and Seattle's killer game last week?

 
Halfa55ing 1-2 leagues just doesn't sound fun to me. It is 0 or 4+ for me. Same with beers...
Agree with this 100% - moderation is for wimps.I commish (or assist the commish) in all of my leagues - rules are essentially the same for all my redrafts (one doesn't have distance points for FG's, one has a flex) so that simplifies it.I also have a "pecking order" for the games I care about during the regular season (oldest then work then bschool then dynasty). Usually, during the 1pm game, if I'm starting megatron in the oldest, and playing against him one or all of the others, I'm rooting for him to go off. Once the 4pm games start, I adjust based on how the games are running.I don't think it adds much time to my week, as I'd be researching anyway. Biggest issue is that I'm not as aggressive with trades as I used to be, as I don't have time to analyze the strengths and weaknesses of my teams and the others in all my leagues. The dynasty league is the only one I've pulled off any non-draft day trades in the last few years.Only real problem I have with multiple leagues is scheduling all the drafts as close to the start of the season as possible.
 
12 Dynasty leagues - all PPR with similar lineup requirements15 Redraft leagues - all PPR with similar lineup requirementsThe key for me is not mixing up scoring and lineup requirements. That is the only thing that can get very confusing.I also don't play in any "salary cap" or leagues that have a novels worth of rules. I can't handle all that.Waivers are a real pain in the butt. Other than that I have no issues keeping up with it all. I can understand how others couldn't accomplish this, I'm totally badass so that helps.
I'm thinking we have vastly different definitions for the word "badass".
I can confirm he is a badass.
I'm thinking we have vastly different definitions for the word "badass".
 
I hope all the guys playing in 10+ leagues and were in 8 championships did well last week!

I'm happy to say I won the one league I was in this year ($1500).

LOL! Thanks for the laughs guys.

 
I was in 15 dynasty leagues this year.

Already down to 11 for next year through disintegration or my pulling out of RTSports based leagues. I have a feeling one more might go as several owners are inactive.

Now I have 11 all on MFL. Im confortable with that - all similar rules and since i work from home online, keeping up isnt a great stretch.

Biggest issue is beong objective about drafting/waivers in each league. Sometiems hard to resist the urge to go all in on a rookie in each league. Every year I bite on one guy multiple times - this year it was Greg Little.

 
I did 4 leagues I had to manage my team. I had 4 leagues me and my buddy partnered up in. I also did 20 draftmasters most were for $20 a team. I had no problem keeping up with leagues I had to manage.

 
It is too many leagues when you start saying your teams suck because you are in too many leagues.
I think this is the true answer, IMO. Everyone is different. But when you can't meet your own standard for quality, it's time to cut back. I did run with 13 leagues for a while, but feel much happier with a handful now. To each his own, as long as the quality of your competitiveness doesn't suffer. Or enjoyment thereof.
 
I have around 20 teams, in varying entry fee levels and formats (dynasty, redraft, auction). Quite a few leagues leagues of high stakes entry fees.

I learned a valuable lesson a few years ago. The more leagues I am in, the more my risk of loss diversifies. This applies to both fantasy baseball and football. This has led to me winning $$$ every year for at least the past 4 years, and I'm not talking chump change and let's go to Denny's for a Grand Slam. I'm basically supplementing my income at this point.

So, if i'm going to spend the time getting extremely informed on players, why not add a few leagues?

 
For me, the most I ever played in was four and that was too many. I play two now - my main league and my office league. The office league is by far the lower priority - draft notwithstanding, I spend maybe 10 min/week on it. Perfect situation for me.

 
It is too many leagues when you start saying your teams suck because you are in too many leagues.
It is not my job to determine what is best for others. It's none of my business.
I have around 20 teams, in varying entry fee levels and formats (dynasty, redraft, auction). Quite a few leagues leagues of high stakes entry fees.

I learned a valuable lesson a few years ago. The more leagues I am in, the more my risk of loss diversifies. This applies to both fantasy baseball and football. This has led to me winning $$$ every year for at least the past 4 years, and I'm not talking chump change and let's go to Denny's for a Grand Slam. I'm basically supplementing my income at this point.

So, if i'm going to spend the time getting extremely informed on players, why not add a few leagues?
My answer is some combination of these. The one thing to add is that I like playing in multiple formats as they offer different challenges.
 
I play in 7; 6 dynasties and 1, 5-player keeper. Some are offense-only. Some are "standard", ie with kickers and DSTs. Some are with IDP. One is a 2QB league. Several scoring formats.

I find that dynasty is much easier than redraft from the perspective that its stretched out over the entire year, rather than a 4-5 month mad dash of insanity. You have your guys to build around and they pretty much stay the same, so you dont have to be as intense/panicked about things. I use a Google Docs spreadsheet to track my rosters, trades, and each year's draft for each league. If you have a lost year due to injuries (like I did with one team), the players will be back next year, so its not a really big deal. It's why I dropped redraft completely, and am toying with the idea of dropping my keeper. This year, I made the playoffs in 5/6 dynasties, went to the semis in 4/5 playoffs, went to the finals in 2/4 semis, and won one. I should have won two both but stupidly started Newton over Rodgers and lost the championship by .86 points (ARod outscored Newton by 1.78 pts!). Rivers and CJ2K pretty much cost me my keeper league.

Fwiw, I have a pretty intense job in high performance research computing, I have a wife and two kids with whom I spend lots of time, I train our dogs, I train police dogs, I play hockey, play the guitar, play drums, game (computer and console), have a social life with friends - its all about time management.

Admittedly, since I'm at a computer all day at work, I can check email, websites, and RSS feeds frequently, which helps a lot with breaking information, and makes things a lot easier with FCFS waivers or pre-emptive waiver signings.

I also lean heavily on FBGs here and on Twitter for help. ;)

 
As was said many times, the actual time in fantasy football is keeping with injuries, rising players, matchups, etc. The research. Once that is done, the difference between 3 and 10 teams is marginal. Maybe 20 to 30% more tops. Most bigger money leagues are also no trades so that helps too.

I have had 5 to 8 teams the last few years and the ONLY issue is waivers. I dont see how someone can honestly do waivers on 20+ teams and not take HOURS to do it right.

 

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