How many TEs does one team need? (1 Viewer)

[Tom Servo]

My 16-team PPR redraft league had its draft last night. One of my fellow owners is a teenage kid who basically has a history of writing checks with his mouth that his teams can't cash. This was his draft:

Starting Lineup

Pos Player NFL

QB Bulger, Marc STL

RB Henry, Travis DEN

RB James, Edgerrin ARI

TE Cooley, Chris WAS

TE Davis, Vernon SFO

TE Winslow, Kellen CLE

K Mare, Olindo NOS

DT New England Patriots NEP

Backups

Pos Player NFL

QB Quinn, Brady CLE

RB Dunn, Warrick ATL

RB Henry, Chris X TEN

WR Gonzalez, Anthony IND

TE Daniels, Owen HOU

TE Martin, David MIA

14 Total Players

Granted, our league has a TE scoring bonus rule (1 bonus pt. @ 5 yds, 2 pts @ 15 yds, 3 max pts @ 25 yds) in addition to the usual yardage and PPR scoring, but there's no bloomin' way this strategy's going to pan out. DD after the draft shows his team to be the weakest in the league.

Has anyone seen a draft like this?

 

[AhrnCityPahnder]

We had our league one year where we had 3 flex spots (we were only 10 teams then , and trying to make it more competitive) We had a guy in our league in 2004 who drafted Gonzo, Heap, and Shockey...then late in the draft took a gamble on a then pretty unhyped guy...Antonio Gates. Even though that was the year Heap was injured, he still won our league.

 

[Bristol]

My 16-team PPR redraft league had its draft last night. One of my fellow owners is a teenage kid who basically has a history of writing checks with his mouth that his teams can't cash. This was his draft:

Starting Lineup

Pos Player NFL

QB Bulger, Marc STL

RB Henry, Travis DEN

RB James, Edgerrin ARI

TE Cooley, Chris WAS

TE Davis, Vernon SFO

TE Winslow, Kellen CLE

K Mare, Olindo NOS

DT New England Patriots NEP

Backups

Pos Player NFL

QB Quinn, Brady CLE

RB Dunn, Warrick ATL

RB Henry, Chris X TEN

WR Gonzalez, Anthony IND

TE Daniels, Owen HOU

TE Martin, David MIA

14 Total Players

Granted, our league has a TE scoring bonus rule (1 bonus pt. @ 5 yds, 2 pts @ 15 yds, 3 max pts @ 25 yds) in addition to the usual yardage and PPR scoring, but there's no bloomin' way this strategy's going to pan out. DD after the draft shows his team to be the weakest in the league.

Has anyone seen a draft like this?

Sounds like you got shut out at TE and are bitter. You will now need to pay the piper to get help at the position. Saludos!

 

[Tillmanisahero]

My 16-team PPR redraft league had its draft last night. One of my fellow owners is a teenage kid who basically has a history of writing checks with his mouth that his teams can't cash. This was his draft:

Starting Lineup

Pos Player NFL

QB Bulger, Marc STL

RB Henry, Travis DEN

RB James, Edgerrin ARI

TE Cooley, Chris WAS

TE Davis, Vernon SFO

TE Winslow, Kellen CLE

K Mare, Olindo NOS

DT New England Patriots NEP

Backups

Pos Player NFL

QB Quinn, Brady CLE

RB Dunn, Warrick ATL

RB Henry, Chris X TEN

WR Gonzalez, Anthony IND

TE Daniels, Owen HOU

TE Martin, David MIA

14 Total Players

Granted, our league has a TE scoring bonus rule (1 bonus pt. @ 5 yds, 2 pts @ 15 yds, 3 max pts @ 25 yds) in addition to the usual yardage and PPR scoring, but there's no bloomin' way this strategy's going to pan out. DD after the draft shows his team to be the weakest in the league.

Has anyone seen a draft like this?

Sounds like you got shut out at TE and are bitter. You will now need to pay the piper to get help at the position. Saludos!

I didn't know that Rich Kotite played Fantasy Football

 

[QuizGuy66]

Did he think he was drafting the other Gonzo?

Hell, I did 3RB 2TE for one week last season and it was a complete disaster*

-QG

* - still managed to win the league thought

 

[Tom Servo]

My 16-team PPR redraft league had its draft last night. One of my fellow owners is a teenage kid who basically has a history of writing checks with his mouth that his teams can't cash. This was his draft:

Starting Lineup

Pos Player NFL

QB Bulger, Marc STL

RB Henry, Travis DEN

RB James, Edgerrin ARI

TE Cooley, Chris WAS

TE Davis, Vernon SFO

TE Winslow, Kellen CLE

K Mare, Olindo NOS

DT New England Patriots NEP

Backups

Pos Player NFL

QB Quinn, Brady CLE

RB Dunn, Warrick ATL

RB Henry, Chris X TEN

WR Gonzalez, Anthony IND

TE Daniels, Owen HOU

TE Martin, David MIA

14 Total Players

Granted, our league has a TE scoring bonus rule (1 bonus pt. @ 5 yds, 2 pts @ 15 yds, 3 max pts @ 25 yds) in addition to the usual yardage and PPR scoring, but there's no bloomin' way this strategy's going to pan out. DD after the draft shows his team to be the weakest in the league.

Has anyone seen a draft like this?

Sounds like you got shut out at TE and are bitter. You will now need to pay the piper to get help at the position. Saludos!

It's not a TE required league. However, your snarkiness is noted and appreciated.

 

[faulkfan]

I'm guessing this isn't the case, but maybe he is a mathematical whiz and developed some formula that convinced him that the TE bonuses are a major advantage and more than enough to counter their general lack of scoring elsewhere.

Or, he thought it would be cool to take a buttload of TEs.

I'd bet on the latter.

 

[videoguy505]

No WRs would appear to be a shortcoming.

 

[Norseman]

One year the co-commissioner of our league drafted 4 or 5 tight ends. This was after he had a few too many beers.

 

[Captain Hook]

Maybe he thinks they get two PPR

or maybe he just likes "Butt Guys"

 

[videoguy505]

Perhaps he thought the yardage bonus was for all receptions, instead of just TDs

 

[Tom Servo]

Maybe he thinks they get two PPRor maybe he just likes "Butt Guys"

 

[simmonjm]

He actually has a really stacked team with Edge, Travis Henry, and Marc Bulger considering this a 16 team league. I think he makes the playoffs but no guarantees after that.

 

[purplehaze67]

I just got back from my local 12-team draft and some guy took 5 QBs. Bad enough in any event, but even worse are who and when:

1.06 A & E Express Russell, JaMarcus OAK QB3.06 A & E Express Grossman, Rex CHI QB5.06 A & E Express Losman, J.P. BUF QB9.06 A & E Express Rodgers, Aaron GBP QB12.07 A & E Express Beck, John MIA QB

1.01 is actually the start of the 7th, after accounting for 6 keepers/supplemental veteran picks. But still, Russell with AD still on the board? Ugh.Another guy kept 2 QBs (Young/Cutler) then decided to go QB3 (Hass) at 1.08 and another 2 teams kept 2 each (Brady/Leinart), (Brees/Romo). Not sure what's going on here, but I hope this is a short-lived phase.

 

[cowpie]

He actually has a really stacked team with Edge, Travis Henry, and Marc Bulger considering this a 16 team league. I think he makes the playoffs but no guarantees after that.

the back up t/e's may be pushing it, but it seems like he is assuming the starting TEs will allget over 25 yards a game thus guaranteeing the 3 bonus points. if he got them in the 5th, 6th and 7th round especially in a 16 team league, he could be sweet. looking at FBGs projections, davis, winslow and cooley should all have between 186-210 points with their bonus points. it would be pretty hard to imagine them not getting 15 yards and the 2 bonus points each week. doing a quick calculation, these guys would all rank higher than any wr ranked lower than 25th (roughly)so they would have the 25th, 26, 27th WRS/TEs not bad. i guess it all depends on where he took them. where did these TEs finish in the rankings last year compared to other wrs. davis didn't play the whole year, so that is kind of pointless to tell us that one, but the other two should have placed pretty high.

 

[videoguy505]

He actually has a really stacked team with Edge, Travis Henry, and Marc Bulger considering this a 16 team league. I think he makes the playoffs but no guarantees after that.

the back up t/e's may be pushing it, but it seems like he is assuming the starting TEs will allget over 25 yards a game thus guaranteeing the 3 bonus points. if he got them in the 5th, 6th and 7th round especially in a 16 team league, he could be sweet. looking at FBGs projections, davis, winslow and cooley should all have between 186-210 points with their bonus points. it would be pretty hard to imagine them not getting 15 yards and the 2 bonus points each week. doing a quick calculation, these guys would all rank higher than any wr ranked lower than 25th (roughly)so they would have the 25th, 26, 27th WRS/TEs not bad. i guess it all depends on where he took them. where did these TEs finish in the rankings last year compared to other wrs. davis didn't play the whole year, so that is kind of pointless to tell us that one, but the other two should have placed pretty high.

They only get the bonus points when they score TDs, though.

 

[onionsack]

I just got back from my local 12-team draft and some guy took 5 QBs.

Bad enough in any event, but even worse are who and when:

1.06 A & E Express Russell, JaMarcus OAK QB

3.06 A & E Express Grossman, Rex CHI QB

5.06 A & E Express Losman, J.P. BUF QB

9.06 A & E Express Rodgers, Aaron GBP QB

12.07 A & E Express Beck, John MIA QB

1.01 is actually the start of the 7th, after accounting for 6 keepers/supplemental veteran picks. But still, Russell with AD still on the board? Ugh.Another guy kept 2 QBs (Young/Cutler) then decided to go QB3 (Hass) at 1.08 and another 2 teams kept 2 each (Brady/Leinart), (Brees/Romo). Not sure what's going on here, but I hope this is a short-lived phase.

Seems like every league has a guy who makes, um...unconventional picks, to put it kindly. But if he passed on AD at 1.06 that means that five other teams passed on Peterson in the "seventh" round as well. Of a keeper league. Just who else was available at picks 1.01 - 1.05??

 

[purplehaze67]

Seems like every league has a guy who makes, um...unconventional picks, to put it kindly. But if he passed on AD at 1.06 that means that five other teams passed on Peterson in the "seventh" round as well. Of a keeper league. Just who else was available at picks 1.01 - 1.05??

1.01 Wolverines Lewis, Jamal CLE RB

1.02 Da Bear's Horn, Joe ATL WR

1.03 Four Horsemen Johnson, Calvin DET WR

1.04 Stone Cold Killerz Lynch, Marshawn BUF RB

1.05 Buff Daddy's Cooley, Chris WAS TE

PPR and 2x yardage bonus for TE. Still a ton of brutal picks there, but that's why they are drafting at the top, I suppose. All these guys were using magazines and didn't appear to have kept up with the off-season on more than a surface level. Also. most people in the league seem to have adopted an anti-rookie bias. They'd take the "proven production" of a vet more often than not. There are 2 or 3 guys who don't but most will.

 

[Daywalker]

My 16-team PPR redraft league had its draft last night. One of my fellow owners is a teenage kid who basically has a history of writing checks with his mouth that his teams can't cash. This was his draft:

Starting Lineup

Pos Player NFL

QB Bulger, Marc STL

RB Henry, Travis DEN

RB James, Edgerrin ARI

TE Cooley, Chris WAS

TE Davis, Vernon SFO

TE Winslow, Kellen CLE

K Mare, Olindo NOS

DT New England Patriots NEP

Backups

Pos Player NFL

QB Quinn, Brady CLE

RB Dunn, Warrick ATL

RB Henry, Chris X TEN

WR Gonzalez, Anthony IND

TE Daniels, Owen HOU

TE Martin, David MIA

14 Total Players

Granted, our league has a TE scoring bonus rule (1 bonus pt. @ 5 yds, 2 pts @ 15 yds, 3 max pts @ 25 yds) in addition to the usual yardage and PPR scoring, but there's no bloomin' way this strategy's going to pan out. DD after the draft shows his team to be the weakest in the league.

Has anyone seen a draft like this?

Maybe he read it as getting 6 bonus points at 25 yds. 1 + 2 +3.

 

[UW72]

I am in TD heavy dynasty format with 6 points for all TD's and double points for 50+ yard TDs, no scoring for yards, except bonus points for 100+/300+ games.

In this league kickers score a lot (3 pts for FG / 6pts for 50+), but we start only one together with 1QB/1RB/1WR/1TE/3Flex

In the initial draft (20 rounds) someone stockpiled five kickers, this guy is either a genius or an idiot.

 

[cowpie]

He actually has a really stacked team with Edge, Travis Henry, and Marc Bulger considering this a 16 team league. I think he makes the playoffs but no guarantees after that.

the back up t/e's may be pushing it, but it seems like he is assuming the starting TEs will allget over 25 yards a game thus guaranteeing the 3 bonus points. if he got them in the 5th, 6th and 7th round especially in a 16 team league, he could be sweet. looking at FBGs projections, davis, winslow and cooley should all have between 186-210 points with their bonus points. it would be pretty hard to imagine them not getting 15 yards and the 2 bonus points each week. doing a quick calculation, these guys would all rank higher than any wr ranked lower than 25th (roughly)so they would have the 25th, 26, 27th WRS/TEs not bad. i guess it all depends on where he took them. where did these TEs finish in the rankings last year compared to other wrs. davis didn't play the whole year, so that is kind of pointless to tell us that one, but the other two should have placed pretty high.

They only get the bonus points when they score TDs, though.

thats not the way i read it. "Granted, our league has a TE scoring bonus rule (1 bonus pt. @ 5 yds, 2 pts @ 15 yds, 3 max pts @ 25 yds) in addition to the usual yardage and PPR scoring, but there's no bloomin' way this strategy's going to pan out. DD after the draft shows his team to be the weakest in the league."can the writer of the post clarify?

 

[Restricted]

No WRs would appear to be a shortcoming.

Right. Isn't there some sort of minimum number of starting WR's to play?

 

[Tom Servo]

He actually has a really stacked team with Edge, Travis Henry, and Marc Bulger considering this a 16 team league. I think he makes the playoffs but no guarantees after that.

the back up t/e's may be pushing it, but it seems like he is assuming the starting TEs will allget over 25 yards a game thus guaranteeing the 3 bonus points. if he got them in the 5th, 6th and 7th round especially in a 16 team league, he could be sweet. looking at FBGs projections, davis, winslow and cooley should all have between 186-210 points with their bonus points. it would be pretty hard to imagine them not getting 15 yards and the 2 bonus points each week. doing a quick calculation, these guys would all rank higher than any wr ranked lower than 25th (roughly)so they would have the 25th, 26, 27th WRS/TEs not bad. i guess it all depends on where he took them. where did these TEs finish in the rankings last year compared to other wrs. davis didn't play the whole year, so that is kind of pointless to tell us that one, but the other two should have placed pretty high.

They only get the bonus points when they score TDs, though.

thats not the way i read it. "Granted, our league has a TE scoring bonus rule (1 bonus pt. @ 5 yds, 2 pts @ 15 yds, 3 max pts @ 25 yds) in addition to the usual yardage and PPR scoring, but there's no bloomin' way this strategy's going to pan out. DD after the draft shows his team to be the weakest in the league."can the writer of the post clarify?

Why sure I can... I might add that our yardage starts at 20 yards (screwy I know; I've tried to get it changed but commish loves it this way). Think of the scoring as tens digit - 1. Here's some examples:If Martin had 1 catch for 4 yards, he gets 1 pt (reception only);If VDavis had 2 catches for 11 yards, he would have 2 (from receptions) + 0 (yardage) + 1 (first bonus level) = 3 pts.;If K2 had 3 catches for 21 yds and a TD, he would have 3 (receptions) + 1 (yardage) + 6 (TD) + 2 (2nd bonus level) = 12 pts.:If Cooley had 7 catches for 88 yds and 2 TDs, he would have 7 (receptions) + 7 (yardage) + 3 (top bonus level) + 12 (TD) = 29 pts.You can see where a TE can outscore a WR with similar stats with those performance bonuses...but those times are rare. HTH

 

[Tom Servo]

No WRs would appear to be a shortcoming.

Right. Isn't there some sort of minimum number of starting WR's to play?

No. You can either run "regular offense" (2 RB and 3 WR/TE combo) or "West Coast" (1 RB and 4 WR/TE combo).In short, he could run 4 TEs if he wanted to. The league does not differentiate...a receiver is a receiver and a TE is a receiver.

 

[MDSkinner]

Gates is surely a first round pick in a league like this, right?

 

[Tom Servo]

Gates is surely a first round pick in a league like this, right?

Generally, no. He's always going in the top of round 3. I could've snagged him at 2.16 if I wanted to and pair him with LT, but TO was on the board and I couldn't pass him up.

 

[Bri]

Yudkin...this seems right up his alley. I'm pretty certain he addressed this in a previous Gates thread with stats and all. Since people often leave TEs til later in the draft, I don't recall where but if you expect decent production out of the TEs, they do start to outscore the WRs remaining.

 

[Q-Bert]

Honestly, I think the kid might be on to something.

Based on the weird bonus thing, Kellen Winslow would have goten 47 bonus points last year and Chris Cooly would have gotten 40. Just looking at a pretty standard scoring system (that throws the TEs in with the WR). That would make them equivalent to about the #17 and #25 overall for WR/TEs. If he ignored WRs when everyone else was drafting them to get depth at QB/RB he would be in pretty decent shape. I don't think the TEs are going to be a problem for him.

 

[Q-Bert]

Granted, our league has a TE scoring bonus rule (1 bonus pt. @ 5 yds, 2 pts @ 15 yds, 3 max pts @ 25 yds) in addition to the usual yardage and PPR scoring, but there's no bloomin' way this strategy's going to pan out. DD after the draft shows his team to be the weakest in the league.

Has anyone seen a draft like this?

Have you correctly included the scoring bonus for TEs in the DD setup. This strikes me as something that would be fairly difficult to do. If not just go add 40 points worth of yards to Winslow, Cooley, and Davis. Then see if his team still looks weak.

 

[Tom Servo]

Granted, our league has a TE scoring bonus rule (1 bonus pt. @ 5 yds, 2 pts @ 15 yds, 3 max pts @ 25 yds) in addition to the usual yardage and PPR scoring, but there's no bloomin' way this strategy's going to pan out. DD after the draft shows his team to be the weakest in the league.

Has anyone seen a draft like this?

Have you correctly included the scoring bonus for TEs in the DD setup. This strikes me as something that would be fairly difficult to do. If not just go add 40 points worth of yards to Winslow, Cooley, and Davis. Then see if his team still looks weak.

Yes, I tried to address that in the DD, but couldn't find a work around. Given your proposed work-around, I doubt it'd be much help to him. These are the total team strengths for the league post-draft:2082

2032

1972

1939

1877

1871

1830

1816

1805

1801

1756

1746

1733

1714

1657

1630 <------Mr. TE

I'll give your suggestion a try and attempt to report back.