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I'm sick about it also, It gave my opponent an extra 2 points with the Seattle Defense.
I'd be extremely surprised if he was even remotely aware of it.
My thoughts as well. He was probably thinking, there is no way I am subjecting my team to a free kick after the safety when he was already leading and can win the game with a victory formation and downing the ball
Exactly. The question asked by the thread is at least moderately interesting. Just for ####s and giggles. But it's absurd to think that Harbaugh was aware of this at all in the waning moments of the game.Now, if the OP meant that he's just such a #### in general that when he found out about it, he was pleased...well, alright then. That's a theory I can get behind.
Am I missing something here? If S.F. takes the safety and wins by 9 they beat the spread and those that bet on SF win.By refusing the safety and winning by 7 points, everyone that bet for the 49ers would lose the bet. Why would Harbaugh be "loving every minute" if the gamblers, many whom are hometown fans, bet for his team lost?????
Are there also a few people dancing for joy and Harbaugh is hating every minute of it because they bet on Seattle +8?
Hawks went from +7 to +9 for a while yesterday.. then down to +8.. you can always buy points too... betting -8 on a niners team that doesnt score wasnt the best bet.. Better bet, imho, was to take the hawks at +8 or +9 if you got lucky with the spread..Yep I took Seattle and the points..That Safety had me #####ing at the TV, nice call Harbaugh..I was also playing the Seattle D against my opponent who was playing the San Fran D.(that would of been a decent swing of points in his favor)
Yeah, I agree that Hawks +8 or +9 was the better bet. I also think GB +3 against the Texans was a way better bet than Houston -3, imho.Hawks went from +7 to +9 for a while yesterday.. then down to +8.. you can always buy points too... betting -8 on a niners team that doesnt score wasnt the best bet.. Better bet, imho, was to take the hawks at +8 or +9 if you got lucky with the spread..Yep I took Seattle and the points..That Safety had me #####ing at the TV, nice call Harbaugh..
I am so naive. I just never think about the amount of money involved in sports gambling. Last night's issue was probably a really good illustration of why I should never get into it either because I would have probably broken something that cost more than the amount of money I lost on that call...LOL.As far as the coach goes, I'm sure even if he were asked, Harbaugh would say "I just make decisions based on what puts the football team in the best situaiton to win football games." I would be shocked if any coach in the NFl openly discussed awareness of the line on their games or expressed emotion one way or the other about it. the only exception I can think of is a coach saying something to the effect of "We are HUGE under dogs guys..no one is giving us a chance in this game."
This. Gambling addicts pay far more attention to this stuff than the average fan does.
Aside from the (albeit) sight personal attack, this was an insightful view about optimism / pessimism.
lol....no.
And that's probably just "legal" bets.
This....the second blocker came in and made contact with his head above the defenders waist....not below....not a chop blockthe refs will be downgraded for this call by their supervisiors....never even should have been an issue.....
Made up for the blatant missed PI call on Randy Moss in the first half.
Thanks to everyone caving and pressuring the NFL to get the refs back, they can't be downgraded for it. Not until the end of the season at least.
Link?
Exactly. Someone gets injured and the press would have been out in force as to why he took the risk.
You're just wrong. Once he declined the penalty, the game was over. No one has EVER lost out of the victory formation. Your two examples are both wrong. The Miracle at the Meadowlands involved a fumbled handoff, and Rivers' fumble was when they were driving deep in Chiefs territory in a tie game. As impossible as it would be for Seattle to come back from 9 down starting with the free kick, there were more ways for that to happen than for them to win down 7 with Alex kneeling on the ball. Then add on top of that the fact that the victory formation doesn't involve trotting your defense and special teams players out for more plays, and it's really a no-brainer.Now what I want to know is this: Harbaugh was allowed to see the results of the measurement before making his decision. The ball is short, so he declines the penalty. But then they go to the booth review on the spot. If the review had actually resulted in re-spotting the ball for a first down, would Harbaugh have been given the option to accept the penalty at that point? I'm assuming he would have been, but if not, then you clearly need to accept the penalty and not gamble on the outcome of the replay review.
This is what I'm thinking... those defenses against each other, expecting 49ers to win by 8 seems like a huge stretch. No way I'd have made that bet, maybe 3 points or so.
The free kick could have been fumbled giving the Hawks good field position, Harbaugh assured victory by declining since the Hawks could not stop the clock.
I'm 99% sure the answer is yes (and it would be an inexcusably horrible hole in the rules if it isn't). A similar situation occurred in another game this year, where a coach's decision to accept or decline a penalty hinged on the outcome of a review of the play, and I recall that he was (or at least would have been) allowed to change his decision if the call on the field was overturned by review.
Neither of those were victory formation snaps.
every play of every game (even non controversial ones) are reviewed by the supervisiors and officials are graded out accordingly....how they do can affect future assignmenst as a crew and/or potentially later as an individual....(this game instead of that one)....and it can definatley affect their post season assignments, etc....so they are looked at every week.....on this particular play the focus will be more on the official that threw the flag as ooposed to the crew as a whole.....this could have been a game changer under different circumstances and the calling official obviously did not see what he thought he saw (chop block)....he will be downgraded for this play....
yes...until the review is complete there is no way of knowing what the result of the play is so all final decisions wait until the result of the play is confirmed....there may be some initial discussions, etc, but nothing is final until the result of the play is confirmed...
This is exactly right. I don't know what the other guy was going on about with lightning strikes, etc, but any way you slice it, the Harbaugh decision eliminated ANY chance of anything happening for Seattle. That fumble in the Meadowlands all those years ago was the REASON the "victory formation" exists today. No one is losing a game once they get into that formation.
They had several late game pissing matches and irrc that one came after Carroll completely punked him the year before. USC was up by 2 possessions with enough time to run out the clock, though Stanford had a TO or 2. So Carroll took a knee in good sportsmanship but Harbaugh called a TO. So Carroll lined up in a running play but did a flea flicker for a long TD instead. I actually wanted Harbaugh to be running up the score and didn't think it through when it was happening because I want a good hateful rivalry brewing between two guys that already don't like each other.'BaBastage said:
