How Short Really Is the List? (1 Viewer)

[twitch]

Im listening to Brett Favre on NFL network talking about winning in KC for the 1st time. ( He, Manning and Brady are now the only guys to beat 31 teams.) And how he's taken lesser teams in there and never come out with a win. And Im realizing how good Favre still is. He's making throws this year that only a couple of guys in the league can even make. But it gets me thinking, if I were to include Favre as one of the handful of great or extremely good QBs in the league right now, who are the others? Based on winning, consistency, health. It just seems the overall QB play in the NFL is worse than I can recall it being in a long time. Of course youve got Brady and Manning, and Im including Roethlisberger in there because he's really stepping up and he's already got a ring. But does anyone else even deserve to be considered on that elite level?? And what I mean by great is, guys you'll look back on in 10 years and just remember certain aspects of their game, how complete or polished their game was, how they WON games. Guys you'll really remember.

Outside of those 4, you think of Palmer and Brees first. But, Hasselbeck or McNabb?? Romo? Kitna? There are alot of young guys making a name for themselves including Romo and Anderson. Is the short list of extremely good QBs really limited to just 4? What do you guys think? And Im interested in any theories you may have as to why the overall level of QB play in the league seems to have dipped.

 

[moderated]

Very short list.

Brady, Manning, Favre, Big Ben, maybe Palmer/Romo but they haven't shown themselves to be winners yet.

That's it IMO.

 

[Young 8]

i take Jake Delhomme over Palmer, Hasselbeck or McNabb any day ot the week

 

[BoltBacker]

Is there usually a long list?

 

[Pat Patriot]

I cant put Big Ben in there yet. He is still too inconsistent. Losing at Arizona and Denver is not something a great QB would let happen.

 

[twitch]

OK, excluding Favre, Manning, Brady and Roeth. Who would you want starting for your team? regardless of passing/skills. Im curious if Vince Young is even factoring into the conversation with anyone. He wins alot, but I wouldnt personally want him QBing my team because he's a runner. But, some may not sweat that. Dont like the style. Tough to argue the results.

 

[twitch]

I cant put Big Ben in there yet. He is still too inconsistent. Losing at Arizona and Denver is not something a great QB would let happen.

True, but Im trying to stay a little bigger picture. Last year was an aberation imo with Ben. His first 2 years and the ring are what I think of with him. But a couple of bad losses Im willing to overlook. Ben is basically a pocket passer with scrambling ability, and is just about the toughest SOB QB in the league to bring down. Ill always remember that about him and his 14 wins as a rookie. gotta cut out the bad road losses though, true. But Id take him as a franchise QB if Brady were already gone.

 

[Mr. Know-It-All]

Active?

Brady, Manning, Favre

big drop

Romo (maybe), Big Ben, Palmer (but what has he really done?), maybe Brees

big drop

McNabb (pre-injury), Jon Kitna (seriously)

guys thta have a lot of potential -

Campbell, Anderson, Cutler

 

[twitch]

Is there usually a long list?

Just seems like the list used to be longer. And the tier right below the top had plenty of guys you could think of. Just not so much right now.

 

[Young 8]

OK, excluding Favre, Manning, Brady and Roeth. Who would you want starting for your team? regardless of passing/skills.

Delhomme, Brees

 

[Phurfur]

Just the mention of Romo proves how short the list is. The guy hasn't won a play off game and you want him at #5?

 

[EBF]

Brady, Manning, Roethlisberger, Brees, McNabb, Palmer, Favre, and maybe Romo.

I never would've thought Brett would be in that group this season, but you can't ignore the numbers and the wins.

Bulger is a guy who might be a little underrated right now. Give him a decent supporting cast and he could win games for you.

 

[Tyrion]

Just the mention of Romo proves how short the list is. The guy hasn't won a play off game and you want him at #5?

I would take Romo at #3... maybe #4 out of respect to Favre. If I were the Cowboys, I wouldn't trade him for any QB other than maybe Peyton or Brady.

 

[Young 8]

Just the mention of Romo proves how short the list is. The guy hasn't won a play off game and you want him at #5?

you re rightDelhomme is 5-2 in the post season, 100+ rating and he played a SB better than Brady but NOBODY remember him

wow

 

[bentley]

Just the mention of Romo proves how short the list is. The guy hasn't won a play off game and you want him at #5?

Forget not winning a playoff game. The guy has 18 NFL starts. It's like saying that Adrian Peterson is on the short list of top running backs.

 

[nashua55]

OK, excluding Favre, Manning, Brady and Roeth. Who would you want starting for your team? regardless of passing/skills.

Delhomme, Brees

d. anderson , i know thats scary, but hell the browns have a winning record, he must be doing something right

 

[BoltBacker]

Is there usually a long list?

Just seems like the list used to be longer. And the tier right below the top had plenty of guys you could think of. Just not so much right now.

I dunno..10 years ago(1997) I'd say Favre, Marino, Elway and Aikman(maybe Moon)20 years ago(1987) I'd say Marino, Montana, Elway (maybe Kelly?)(maybe Moon)30 years ago(1977) I'd say Griese, Staubach, Stabler and Bradshaw... I don't think there are ever even a half dozen playing in their prime at any given time. It's usually 3 or 4 guys.

 

[twitch]

and from what I hear, Delhomme has been playing with that elbow pain for a couple of years, so it may have been causing him some problems. hopefully he'll come back solid.

Wow, Baltimore sucks. McNair and Boller are definitely NOT on the list. It would probably be easier to just scratch of the guys you DONT want. That would be a long list, but it would be very easy.

 

[timschochet]

for a period of 5 years I would have said McNabb has to be on this list. He's still young, too, and not fully recovered from injuries, apparently. Put him on another team next year (Chicago?) and maybe he'll rejuvenate his career and return to elite status.

This yrear, I have been very impressed by Jay Cutler. I think he could become a great QB.

 

[twitch]

Is there usually a long list?

Just seems like the list used to be longer. And the tier right below the top had plenty of guys you could think of. Just not so much right now.

I dunno..10 years ago(1997) I'd say Favre, Marino, Elway and Aikman(maybe Moon)20 years ago(1987) I'd say Marino, Montana, Elway (maybe Kelly?)(maybe Moon)30 years ago(1977) I'd say Griese, Staubach, Stabler and Bradshaw... I don't think there are ever even a half dozen playing in their prime at any given time. It's usually 3 or 4 guys.

I think youve got it about right. Id break down the HOFers. Seems like the 90s had the most HOFers at one time. Do you see any of these young guys outside of B, F and M as Hofers??

 

[nashua55]

Is there usually a long list?

Just seems like the list used to be longer. And the tier right below the top had plenty of guys you could think of. Just not so much right now.

I dunno..10 years ago(1997) I'd say Favre, Marino, Elway and Aikman(maybe Moon)20 years ago(1987) I'd say Marino, Montana, Elway (maybe Kelly?)(maybe Moon)30 years ago(1977) I'd say Griese, Staubach, Stabler and Bradshaw... I don't think there are ever even a half dozen playing in their prime at any given time. It's usually 3 or 4 guys.

no steve young?

 

[timschochet]

Is there usually a long list?

Just seems like the list used to be longer. And the tier right below the top had plenty of guys you could think of. Just not so much right now.

I dunno..10 years ago(1997) I'd say Favre, Marino, Elway and Aikman(maybe Moon)20 years ago(1987) I'd say Marino, Montana, Elway (maybe Kelly?)(maybe Moon)30 years ago(1977) I'd say Griese, Staubach, Stabler and Bradshaw... I don't think there are ever even a half dozen playing in their prime at any given time. It's usually 3 or 4 guys.

1992- greatest year for elite QBs ever! Here are the QB's who had good seasons that year:Aikman, Young, Kelly, Marino, Montana (with KC), Elway, MoonNever matched before or since!

 

[BoltBacker]

Is there usually a long list?

Just seems like the list used to be longer. And the tier right below the top had plenty of guys you could think of. Just not so much right now.

I dunno..10 years ago(1997) I'd say Favre, Marino, Elway and Aikman(maybe Moon)20 years ago(1987) I'd say Marino, Montana, Elway (maybe Kelly?)(maybe Moon)30 years ago(1977) I'd say Griese, Staubach, Stabler and Bradshaw... I don't think there are ever even a half dozen playing in their prime at any given time. It's usually 3 or 4 guys.

no steve young?

....in '97? No, I don't think he was a great QB that year. 15 games, 3000yards, 19TD. That's about 200yards/1TD per game. I wouldn't call that "great". He had a great year in '98. And '93/'94.

 

[[scooter]]

TIER 1 (unconditional)

Brady

Manning

TIER 2 (certain restrictions apply)

Favre (except 1999 and 2005-06)

Romo

Palmer

Roethlisberger

TIER 3 (lots of inconsistency here)

Brees

Hasselbeck

McNabb (when healthy)

Jeff Garcia (seriously, this guy can be VERY good given the right opportunity)

 

[nashua55]

Is there usually a long list?

Just seems like the list used to be longer. And the tier right below the top had plenty of guys you could think of. Just not so much right now.

I dunno..10 years ago(1997) I'd say Favre, Marino, Elway and Aikman(maybe Moon)20 years ago(1987) I'd say Marino, Montana, Elway (maybe Kelly?)(maybe Moon)30 years ago(1977) I'd say Griese, Staubach, Stabler and Bradshaw... I don't think there are ever even a half dozen playing in their prime at any given time. It's usually 3 or 4 guys.

no steve young?

....in '97? No, I don't think he was a great QB that year. 15 games, 3000yards, 19TD. That's about 200yards/1TD per game. I wouldn't call that "great". He had a great year in '98. And '93/'94.

why does aikman make your list then, he only threw for 19 td that year with 12 ints and only 3283yds. and had 56.4 completion percentage. not one of his best years either

 

[nashua55]

Is there usually a long list?

Just seems like the list used to be longer. And the tier right below the top had plenty of guys you could think of. Just not so much right now.

I dunno..10 years ago(1997) I'd say Favre, Marino, Elway and Aikman(maybe Moon)20 years ago(1987) I'd say Marino, Montana, Elway (maybe Kelly?)(maybe Moon)30 years ago(1977) I'd say Griese, Staubach, Stabler and Bradshaw... I don't think there are ever even a half dozen playing in their prime at any given time. It's usually 3 or 4 guys.

no steve young?

....in '97? No, I don't think he was a great QB that year. 15 games, 3000yards, 19TD. That's about 200yards/1TD per game. I wouldn't call that "great". He had a great year in '98. And '93/'94.

why does aikman make your list then, he only threw for 19 td that year with 12 ints and only 3283yds. and had 56.4 completion percentage. not one of his best years either

plus, steve young had 67.7 completion percentage 3029yds passing 19 tds 6 ints and 3 rushing tds. seems like a better year than aikman statistically

 

[Phurfur]

Just the mention of Romo proves how short the list is. The guy hasn't won a play off game and you want him at #5?

Forget not winning a playoff game. The guy has 18 NFL starts. It's like saying that Adrian Peterson is on the short list of top running backs.

It seems everybody's standards are pretty low. If you can call a QB great after 18 games you haven't followed football very long. There are 3 great QBs playing now Brady, Manning and Favre. All the rest are wannabes and maybe great one day.

 

[BoltBacker]

Is there usually a long list?

Just seems like the list used to be longer. And the tier right below the top had plenty of guys you could think of. Just not so much right now.

I dunno..10 years ago(1997) I'd say Favre, Marino, Elway and Aikman(maybe Moon)20 years ago(1987) I'd say Marino, Montana, Elway (maybe Kelly?)(maybe Moon)30 years ago(1977) I'd say Griese, Staubach, Stabler and Bradshaw... I don't think there are ever even a half dozen playing in their prime at any given time. It's usually 3 or 4 guys.

no steve young?

....in '97? No, I don't think he was a great QB that year. 15 games, 3000yards, 19TD. That's about 200yards/1TD per game. I wouldn't call that "great". He had a great year in '98. And '93/'94.

why does aikman make your list then, he only threw for 19 td that year with 12 ints and only 3283yds. and had 56.4 completion percentage. not one of his best years either

I tend to give Aikman and Bradshaw a free pass because they won multiple SB's but you're right it wasn't a great season by Aikman or DAL. Young probably had a better year.

 

[BoltBacker]

Just the mention of Romo proves how short the list is. The guy hasn't won a play off game and you want him at #5?

Forget not winning a playoff game. The guy has 18 NFL starts. It's like saying that Adrian Peterson is on the short list of top running backs.

It seems everybody's standards are pretty low. If you can call a QB great after 18 games you haven't followed football very long. There are 3 great QBs playing now Brady, Manning and Favre. All the rest are wannabes and maybe great one day.

By those standards Elway wasn't a great QB yet in '87 either.

 

[nashua55]

Is there usually a long list?

Just seems like the list used to be longer. And the tier right below the top had plenty of guys you could think of. Just not so much right now.

I dunno..10 years ago(1997) I'd say Favre, Marino, Elway and Aikman(maybe Moon)20 years ago(1987) I'd say Marino, Montana, Elway (maybe Kelly?)(maybe Moon)30 years ago(1977) I'd say Griese, Staubach, Stabler and Bradshaw... I don't think there are ever even a half dozen playing in their prime at any given time. It's usually 3 or 4 guys.

no steve young?

....in '97? No, I don't think he was a great QB that year. 15 games, 3000yards, 19TD. That's about 200yards/1TD per game. I wouldn't call that "great". He had a great year in '98. And '93/'94.

why does aikman make your list then, he only threw for 19 td that year with 12 ints and only 3283yds. and had 56.4 completion percentage. not one of his best years either

I tend to give Aikman and Bradshaw a free pass because they won multiple SB's but you're right it wasn't a great season by Aikman or DAL. Young probably had a better year.

fair enough, i agree, winning it all is what really counts, aikman though not statistically the greatest , was truley a great qb, no arguments, i was just saying that young probably deserved to be in the mix during that time.

 

[fred_1_15301]

I cant put Big Ben in there yet. He is still too inconsistent. Losing at Arizona and Denver is not something a great QB would let happen.

Not to say that Ben is a great qb but even great qbs "lose" games that they shouldn't once in a while. It's happened to Brady, Manning, Montana and every other great qb. Also, Ben did not "lose" those games for the Steelers. He may not have had great games but there were other reasons the Steelers lost those games. Right now, I would take Ben over any qb in the league outside of the big 2.

 

[Pyramid Scheme]

Just the mention of Romo proves how short the list is. The guy hasn't won a play off game and you want him at #5?

Forget not winning a playoff game. The guy has 18 NFL starts. It's like saying that Adrian Peterson is on the short list of top running backs.

It seems everybody's standards are pretty low. If you can call a QB great after 18 games you haven't followed football very long. There are 3 great QBs playing now Brady, Manning and Favre. All the rest are wannabes and maybe great one day.

I see Romo as the only other QB playing in the league right now who's likely to join this list, but you're right: He has a lot to prove before he's on it. He plays with the same mix of qualities that these guys do, though: That cold intensity that learns from mistakes without dwelling on them, that absolute focus but easygoing, confident manner.... Hard to articulate, but I think he does have it.Although I can't point to it on the stats, I don't see Big Ben or Cutler or Brees or McNabb or Testaverde playing the game with the same passion as these guys. It's no knock on them: They are all good QB's, or have been in their time, or will be. They just won't be among the best to have ever played the game.

 

[Frenchy Fuqua]

Roethlisberger is severely underrated. Whether you look at W-L or individual stats he is currently the 3rd best QB in the NFL. He is five years younger than Brady and Manning but he's on a similar career path. His regular season record (35-13) and playoff record (5-1) puts him behind only Tom Brady in winning percentage. Some other interesting stats:

Career QB rating

Peyton Manning 94.7

Tom Brady 92.2

Ben Roethlisberger 91.9

Carson Palmer 91.4

Brett Favre 85.3

Career Yards per Pass Attempt

Ben Roethlisberger 8.28

Peyton Manning 7.70

Carson Palmer 7.39

Tom Brady 7.21

Brett Favre 7.02

The Yards per pass attempt is really his distinquishing characteristic. Ben's ability to extend plays both in and out of the pocket is a skill these other QBs (besides Favre) never possessed.

 

[SSOG]

And Im interested in any theories you may have as to why the overall level of QB play in the league seems to have dipped.

Jeff George, Browning Nagle, Hugh Millen, Mike Tomczak, Stan Humphries, Jay Schroeder, Stan Gelbaugh, Jim Harbaugh, Rodney Peete. Someone mentioned 1992 as the golden year for QBs, so that's a brief list of some teams' leading passers from that year. Of the 28 teams in the league, 17 (60%) did not feature a 3,000 yard passer. 10 of them (36%) did not even feature a 2000 yard passer. 5 of them (18%) did not feature a single player who passed for so much as FIFTEEN HUNDRED YARDS. To compare, last year only 6 franchises didn't feature a 2,000 yard passer, and even Bruce Gradkowski managed to break 1500.In other words, the reason why the level of QB play *SEEMS* to have dipped is because everyone forgets about the crappy players and only remembers the great players. The result is that you remember all of the great QBs of the 90s, and begin to think that they were indicative of the times. Trust me, there's not any more bad QBs right now than there was 15 years ago.

 

[bizkliz]

manning

brady

favre

roethlisberger

romo

-biz-

 

[Bri]

McNabb's fallen pretty quick. His game didn't get the respect around here it deserved IMO. He was real good for a good while. However, since QBs career's last so long it might not have been long enough.

Brees is the closest to Brady and Manning IMO. When he's hot, he's getting 400 not 300 yards passing. His touch is terrific, the long ball looks sweet.....he just looks great when the Saints are firing on all cylinders.

Palmer isn't far behind. However, he's looking like a stat guy like Bledsoe right now. He's gotta turn it into Ws and wining drives and all. I realize they have no D but that haunted Marino while he played too. I think he can, I think he will. He's a terrific young QB.

 

[Bri]

roethlisbergerromo

Romo's gotta do it longer. He's done it for one full season now? Choked in their biggest game too. I love his potential and have him in FF but it's too short for me.For me, Big Ben was "wow" "ewww" and now "wow" again. It seems he's the best passer in a long long time for the Steelers but I'm not sure that's saying too much.

 

[twitch]

Roethlisberger is severely underrated. Whether you look at W-L or individual stats he is currently the 3rd best QB in the NFL. He is five years younger than Brady and Manning but he's on a similar career path. His regular season record (35-13) and playoff record (5-1) puts him behind only Tom Brady in winning percentage. Some other interesting stats:

Career QB rating

Peyton Manning 94.7

Tom Brady 92.2

Ben Roethlisberger 91.9

Carson Palmer 91.4

Brett Favre 85.3

Career Yards per Pass Attempt

Ben Roethlisberger 8.28

Peyton Manning 7.70

Carson Palmer 7.39

Tom Brady 7.21

Brett Favre 7.02

The Yards per pass attempt is really his distinquishing characteristic. Ben's ability to extend plays both in and out of the pocket is a skill these other QBs (besides Favre) never possessed.

Fully agree. Ben's as hard to bring down as any QB Ive seen in a long time. In fact, I dont know who's ever been tougher. Maybe McNair in his prime. Possibly McNabb. But Ben takes hits, gets grabbed, yanked, nearly brought down and escapes and makes things happen. His ability to escape and complete is unmatched, imo. Now, having said that, he could put his health at risk sometimes with that style. But, its natural to him and he makes it look easy, and Im sure he'll learn better when to simply go down. He has the height, strength, arm, elusiveness. His football IQ, vision, patience, leadership will only continue to grow. And now he has Holmes to compliment Ward, as well as the TE and the running game. Complete O. Seems to have a head coach with full confidence who will not try and limit him, and who has more of an offensive mindset than Cowher. His curve just keeps climbing. Steelers fans are in for a good, long ride with Ben.

 

[SeniorVBDStudent]

Just the mention of Romo proves how short the list is. The guy hasn't won a play off game and you want him at #5?

I would take Romo at #3... maybe #4 out of respect to Favre. If I were the Cowboys, I wouldn't trade him for any QB other than maybe Peyton or Brady.

Do you think that Brady, Manning, Roethlisburger or even Favre would have thrown 5 picks in the Buffalo game?I don't.

 

[SSOG]

Just the mention of Romo proves how short the list is. The guy hasn't won a play off game and you want him at #5?

I would take Romo at #3... maybe #4 out of respect to Favre. If I were the Cowboys, I wouldn't trade him for any QB other than maybe Peyton or Brady.

Do you think that Brady, Manning, Roethlisburger or even Favre would have thrown 5 picks in the Buffalo game?I don't.

Tom Brady has had a 4-INT game every year for the past 4 years. Favre threw 29 INTs in 2005 (including a 4-INT and 5-INT game), and is the career INTs leader. Roethlisberger averages more INTs per pass attempt than Romo, even with Romo's 5-int game playing such an unnaturally large role because of the small sample size (22% of Romo's career INTs came in that one game).In other words, yeah, I think that Brady, Roethlisberger, or Favre might have thrown 5 picks in that Buffalo game. Not Manning, though.

 

[Tyrion]

roethlisberger

romo

Romo's gotta do it longer. He's done it for one full season now? Choked in their biggest game too. I love his potential and have him in FF but it's too short for me.For me, Big Ben was "wow" "ewww" and now "wow" again. It seems he's the best passer in a long long time for the Steelers but I'm not sure that's saying too much.

I wouldn't say he is a great holder but I would say he is a great QB. As a QB he put them in position to win that game. I tend to judge greatness by who I would take in his place. There are only 2 QBs that I would consider and I don't know if I would take them. The Cowboys have talent but Romo is the glue that hold's the team together, which is important when one of your most potent weapons is a powder keg.

 

[= Ice Man =]

Is there usually a long list?

There was a period of time in the NFL, from the mid-80s to the late-90s, where the overall talent was insane! The 1993 Pro Bowl roster, for instance, included the following future HOF'ers & near HOF'ers:AFCJohn ElwayJoe MontanaWarren MoonBoomer EsiasonNFCTroy AikmanBrett FavreSteve YoungWhen have you ever heard of a Pro Bowl roster having 6-7 future HOF'ers on it? As good as that roster was, it still did not include an injured Dan Marino or Randall Cunningham or a healthy Jim Kelly!!! There was a period in the 80s when you had Dan Fouts, John Elway, Joe Montana, Warren Moon, Boomer Esiason, Steve Young, Dan Marino, Randall Cunningham & Jim Kelly. Compared to today, there are 2 surefire HOF'ers (Payton Manning & Favre), 1 probable HOF'er (Tom Brady), & 3 potential HOF'ers who still have a long way to go to prove their candidacy (Romo, Palmer & Roethlisberger). That's a pretty weak list compared to the past.

 

[twitch]

Is there usually a long list?

There was a period of time in the NFL, from the mid-80s to the late-90s, where the overall talent was insane! The 1993 Pro Bowl roster, for instance, included the following future HOF'ers & near HOF'ers:AFCJohn ElwayJoe MontanaWarren MoonBoomer EsiasonNFCTroy AikmanBrett FavreSteve YoungWhen have you ever heard of a Pro Bowl roster having 6-7 future HOF'ers on it? As good as that roster was, it still did not include an injured Dan Marino or Randall Cunningham or a healthy Jim Kelly!!! There was a period in the 80s when you had Dan Fouts, John Elway, Joe Montana, Warren Moon, Boomer Esiason, Steve Young, Dan Marino, Randall Cunningham & Jim Kelly. Compared to today, there are 2 surefire HOF'ers (Payton Manning & Favre), 1 probable HOF'er (Tom Brady), & 3 potential HOF'ers who still have a long way to go to prove their candidacy (Romo, Palmer & Roethlisberger). That's a pretty weak list compared to the past.

probable. story of Brady's life.

 

[moleculo]

Just the mention of Romo proves how short the list is. The guy hasn't won a play off game and you want him at #5?

Forget not winning a playoff game. The guy has 18 NFL starts. It's like saying that Adrian Peterson is on the short list of top running backs.

It seems everybody's standards are pretty low. If you can call a QB great after 18 games you haven't followed football very long. There are 3 great QBs playing now Brady, Manning and Favre. All the rest are wannabes and maybe great one day.

By those standards Elway wasn't a great QB yet in '87 either.

1987 NFL MVP down?

 

[Ghost Rider]

Top 5:

Brady

Manning

Favre

Roethlisberger

Palmer

 

[Intergalactic Kegger]

Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, and Favre are the top 3. But I'm surprised at how much Carson Palmer's stock has dropped. I wouldn't hesitate to put him at #4. Palmer is in Marino's situation in that the team around him isn't that good. He has absolutely no defensive support just like Marino lacked. But he is still an extremely gifted QB.

 

[Ghost Rider]

Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, and Favre are the top 3. But I'm surprised at how much Carson Palmer's stock has dropped. I wouldn't hesitate to put him at #4. Palmer is in Marino's situation in that the team around him isn't that good. He has absolutely no defensive support just like Marino lacked. But he is still an extremely gifted QB.

Agreed. Palmer in the top 5 was a no-brainer. Those putting Romo ahead of him need to get a grip on reality.

 

[Blackadder]

At any time there should be only 3 or at most 4 "great" qbs or else your definition of great is pretty low. Top 10% or so is about right.

Regarding Romo and Roethlisberger longetivity does mater for qbs. A few years ago we would have been putting Warner on this list as his first few years were amazing (Super Bowl and league MVP). I have not seen anyone mention his name.

Manning, Brady, and Favre are it for now.