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HOW TO GET TO HEAVEN WHEN YOU DIE! Read This First Post, THEN Q & A Discussion! ASK QUESTIONS HERE! (1 Viewer)

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McGarnicle said:
Lot also banged both of his daughters, can't forget that.
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Ah, yes.  IIRC, the daughters got the old man sauced and had sex with him.  

I never understood why good, wholesome stories like this weren't included in our Sunday school lessons as children.  Had I only knew incest was ok...

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I was saved when I was 4. I was raised in church, but the churches that I attended were what I would consider legalistic. When I turned 18 I stopped going due to the legalism. As I remained out of God's will, I became more and more miserable. I tried to return to the Lord, but circumstances were as though the Lord wasn't going to allow that yet. He wanted to teach me something. The Lord never left me, but I felt like He was a million miles away at times. I went to college, but everything and I mean everything, Job, school, ect. all went against me. Nothing would work out for me. Way too many details to tell, but basically I felt like I had a curse on my life. I actually came to the point of suicide. I became so very hardened by just a ton of abuse that had happened to me. I told the Lord that if things didn't change, I was going to end it all. I could feel Him standing over me and lift His mighty hand away, just little. I met my wife and got married, had kids. On 9-9-2001 I turned 30. Two days later was 9-11, when the Twin Towers were attacked. I realized that the Lord was coming soon and did not want to remain where I was. He had already been dealing with me for a few years prior, but now it was time to go back. I searched for a church and visited one that was very legalistic. I filled out the visitor's card and they came out to visit on a wed. They asked me to come back. I said "How do I know that this is the church that God want's me to go to"? The man said "have you asked Him" I said "no" He said "Why don't you pray and ask Him and we'll get going". I prayed half heartedly for the Lord to let me know if that was where He wanted me. That night, about midnight, I laid in my bed, my wife facing the opposite way. I was thinking about whether I wanted to go back there or not and decided, No, I was not going to go back there. The very Moment that I made my decision, I felt God's Holy Spirit begin to slowly move through my wall and hover over my chest. He was in the form of a cloud. I felt His eyes look directly into mine and say "I want you to go back to that church" in a very mild, meek, soft voice, yet without any sound. It was crystal clear. I said "Ok, Lord, if that's where you want me to go I'll go back there. If that's what you want me to do I'll go back to that church". Then I broke down and told Him that I was sorry for my sins and that I would serve Him from now on. I had big issue with the pastor of that church. He was a very strict, breathe down your neck type of a person, yet God used him in my life. He discipled me and taught me how to do the music. The Lord kept opening doors there to serve in a huge way. They had a tract ministry there where they printed up millions of gospel tracts and a booklet called "The Baptist Bread". It's similar to "The Daily Bread".

 
Captain Cranks said:
My favorite Bible story is in Genesis when a crowd shows up to Lot's house because he's taken in two angels.  The crowd wants Lot to hand over the angels so they can have gay sexy time with them.  Lot does the honorable thing by denying access to the angels.  However, to keep the peace, he offers his daughters up to the crowd for a good, old-fashioned gang raping.  

Praise God.  He is good.  
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My favorite Genesis game was Sonic the Hedgehog, with Madden 94 being A close second.

 
Captain Cranks said:
My favorite Bible story is in Genesis when a crowd shows up to Lot's house because he's taken in two angels.  The crowd wants Lot to hand over the angels so they can have gay sexy time with them.  Lot does the honorable thing by denying access to the angels.  However, to keep the peace, he offers his daughters up to the crowd for a good, old-fashioned gang raping.  

Praise God.  He is good.  
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Maybe they were in to it?

 
Paddington, is there any way I could covert you to Islam?  If so, I'd like to start posting links for Islamic stuff for you to read.  

 
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Paddington said:
ARE YOU 100% SURE THAT IF YOU DIED TODAY THAT YOU WOULD GO TO HEAVEN? 
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I am 100% sure that I do not care. I am 100% sure that I'll never, ever, care.

My life is mine to live.......for me. I'm not basing my life and what I do with it on some fictional characters 2000 year old threats of hell or promises of heaven. Two distinct fantasy realms that I believe do not exist.

 
Paddington said:
I was saved when I was 4. I was raised in church, but the churches that I attended were what I would consider legalistic. When I turned 18 I stopped going due to the legalism. As I remained out of God's will, I became more and more miserable. I tried to return to the Lord, but circumstances were as though the Lord wasn't going to allow that yet. He wanted to teach me something. The Lord never left me, but I felt like He was a million miles away at times. I went to college, but everything and I mean everything, Job, school, ect. all went against me. Nothing would work out for me. Way too many details to tell, but basically I felt like I had a curse on my life. I actually came to the point of suicide. I became so very hardened by just a ton of abuse that had happened to me. I told the Lord that if things didn't change, I was going to end it all. I could feel Him standing over me and lift His mighty hand away, just little. I met my wife and got married, had kids. On 9-9-2001 I turned 30. Two days later was 9-11, when the Twin Towers were attacked. I realized that the Lord was coming soon and did not want to remain where I was. He had already been dealing with me for a few years prior, but now it was time to go back. I searched for a church and visited one that was very legalistic. I filled out the visitor's card and they came out to visit on a wed. They asked me to come back. I said "How do I know that this is the church that God want's me to go to"? The man said "have you asked Him" I said "no" He said "Why don't you pray and ask Him and we'll get going". I prayed half heartedly for the Lord to let me know if that was where He wanted me. That night, about midnight, I laid in my bed, my wife facing the opposite way. I was thinking about whether I wanted to go back there or not and decided, No, I was not going to go back there. The very Moment that I made my decision, I felt God's Holy Spirit begin to slowly move through my wall and hover over my chest. He was in the form of a cloud. I felt His eyes look directly into mine and say "I want you to go back to that church" in a very mild, meek, soft voice, yet without any sound. It was crystal clear. I said "Ok, Lord, if that's where you want me to go I'll go back there. If that's what you want me to do I'll go back to that church". Then I broke down and told Him that I was sorry for my sins and that I would serve Him from now on. I had big issue with the pastor of that church. He was a very strict, breathe down your neck type of a person, yet God used him in my life. He discipled me and taught me how to do the music. The Lord kept opening doors there to serve in a huge way. They had a tract ministry there where they printed up millions of gospel tracts and a booklet called "The Baptist Bread". It's similar to "The Daily Bread".
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That had to be a pretty kick-### first four years though.

 
2Th 2:7 For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only He who now restrains will do so until He is taken out of the way.8 And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord will consume with the breath of His mouth and destroy with the brightness of His coming.9 The coming of the lawless one is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders,10 and with all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved.11 And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie,12 that they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

 
Paddington said:
2Th 2:7 For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only He who now restrains will do so until He is taken out of the way.8 And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord will consume with the breath of His mouth and destroy with the brightness of His coming.9 The coming of the lawless one is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders,10 and with all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved.11 And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie,12 that they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
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I had the same feelings with regard to Trump's victories tonight too, Paddington.  You're not alone.  

 
Captain Cranks said:
Paddington, I really hope you study this so that you can enter heaven.  

How to get to heaven too
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Islam is a false religion because the Bible was written by the actual eyewitnesses to the events, the quran was not.  The quran was written hundreds of years after the Bible was completed by 1 man who contradicts the actual eyewitness accounts of the Bible.  The quran also contradicts the Secular historical writings of Christ's day.  The Bible does not.  Who knows better, those who were actually there, or some guy named mohammad who wasn't even born until hundreds of years later?  

 
Paddington said:
Islam is a false religion because the Bible was written by the actual eyewitnesses to the events, the quran was not.  The quran was written hundreds of years after the Bible was completed by 1 man who contradicts the actual eyewitness accounts of the Bible.  The quran also contradicts the Secular historical writings of Christ's day.  The Bible does not.  Who knows better, those who were actually there, or some guy named mohammad who wasn't even born until hundreds of years later?  
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Do you believe that Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John actually wrote the gospels?  Most historians do not and therefore conclude they were written by non-eyewitnesses.  What has led you to believe that they are written by eyewitnesses?

Also, there are countless contradictions within the Synoptic Gospels themselves.  Do you believe Jesus was born under the rule of King Herod or after his death?  Matthew and Luke seem to have different contradictory claims.  Luke 2:1-5  vs. Matthew 2:1.  

It would seem by the standards you mentioned above Christianity is also a false religion, so it sounds like we agree.   

 
Captain Cranks said:
Do you believe that Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John actually wrote the gospels?  Most historians do not and therefore conclude they were written by non-eyewitnesses.  What has led you to believe that they are written by eyewitnesses?

Also, there are countless contradictions within the Synoptic Gospels themselves.  Do you believe Jesus was born under the rule of King Herod or after his death?  Matthew and Luke seem to have different contradictory claims.  Luke 2:1-5  vs. Matthew 2:1.  

It would seem by the standards you mentioned above Christianity is also a false religion, so it sounds like we agree.   
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Most historians DO believe that they wrote the Gospels.  It's the minority, liberal scholars who don't.  The early Church writings and the early secular historical writings back up the gospels and the Bible.  No contradictions, just misunderstandings.  The two genealogies are Mary and Joseph's lineages.  

 
Zow said:
He was totally useless in helping me get with my high school crush, too. Instead of praying to Jesus about her I probably should have spent that time actually talking to her. Thanks, Jesus. 

Eta: oh yeah, I also literally struck out in a big spot in front of her in a game by missing a curve ball. 
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God had a better plan for your life.  

 
Paddington said:
Most historians DO believe that they wrote the Gospels.  It's the minority, liberal scholars who don't.  
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Most Christian historians believe they wrote the gospels. Pretty much every non-Christian historian believes we don't know who wrote them. 

Paddington said:
The early Church writings and the early secular historical writings back up the gospels and the Bible. 
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The gospels were written after most of the new testament books. What you are saying is like saying the original Star Wars movie, now known as episode IV backs up the stories of episodes 1 thru 3. Of course it does. Episodes 1 thru 3 were written to support Episode IV, just like the gospels were written to support Paul's writings. 

Paddington said:
 No contradictions, just misunderstandings.  
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Yeah I was taught by Catholic monks that, at the earliest, the gospel of mark was written in like 60 A.D.  So there's a slight chance the actual mark (the fast runner) actually wrote the book. But the others? No chance. 

 
Paddington said:
God had a better plan for your life.  
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I drive past a local church that has 'witty' banners in its front yard.  A couple of zingers of late...

"Humankind is funny.  They think God is dead but Elvis is alive."    

--- Looks like two great examples of humans training their minds to believe anything they want to believe regardless of reality. 

"Have good health?  Thank God.  It's because of Him."    

---  Cool.   What if I have cancer?  Curse him....or just attribute it to the devil...or just do mental gymnastics like Paddington did here which is to explain it away with "it's just part of God's plan."  

 
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Captain Cranks said:
I drive past a local church that has 'witty' banners in its front yard.  A couple of zingers of late...

"Humankind is funny.  They think God is dead but Elvis is alive."    

--- Looks like two great examples of humans training their minds to believe anything they want to believe regardless of reality. 

"Have good health?  Thank God.  It's because of Him."    

---  Cool.   What if I have cancer?  Curse him....or just attribute it to the devil...or just do mental gymnastics like Paddington did here which is to explain it away with "it's just part of God's plan."  
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One I saw the other day: "If God is your co-pilot you should switch seats."  In other words don't even try to think or live for yourself.

 
Paddy - if you heard God tell you to kill one of your kids?  Would you do it?

Which one would you pick AND WHY?  

ANSWER THE QUESTION!!!

 
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JoeSteeler said:
cant believe this didn't get any love...get it...bear...Paddington???
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I gave you a like, but it was more of a pity like for bumping your own post. Doesn't mean I don't like you, just means I'm probably only pretending to be busy reading when you try to make eye contact.

 
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Absolutely they either wrote it themselves or their scribe penned what they told them to.  Most historians DO believe that they wrote them.  Only liberal supposed scholars don't and they WERE written by the eyewitnesses.  The early Church writings confirm this.  Matthew and Luke have two different geneologies.  Joseph's and Mary's.  Historians placed Jesus birth around 4 B.C. when Herod was alive.  

 
I am 100% sure that when I die I will go exactly where I want to go. I've already bough the tickets.

 
Paddington said:
Absolutely they either wrote it themselves or their scribe penned what they told them to.  Most historians DO believe that they wrote them.  Only liberal supposed scholars don't and they WERE written by the eyewitnesses.  The early Church writings confirm this.  Matthew and Luke have two different geneologies.  Joseph's and Mary's.  Historians placed Jesus birth around 4 B.C. when Herod was alive.  
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Who is "they"?

None of the gospels contain any claim of authorship, nor do they claim to be eyewitness accounts. Both the authorship and belief they are eyewitness accounts come from tradition, and not from the gospels themselves.  

 
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