How would you settle this tie? (1 Viewer)

[The_Fonz]

So I am in a 3 way tie for 7th place. The winner of the 3 way tie will make playoffs.

Each team is 1-1 against the other two.

One team got into this tie due to one owner basically giving up and not setting his lineup since the Texan's bye week - so Arian Foster was on his bench and that team lost allowing the other team into the 3 way tie.

Of the three teams I am the highest in total points.

I would assume that I will get in unless the commish steps in. The person that most likely would have beaten me in a 2 way tiebreak has complained on the message board that it hurts the integrity of the league. I have a hard time arguing against that but then I would be eliminated.

I am torn because it isn't the league commissioner's responsibility to keep everyone interested when they have a terrible record.

Interested in the thoughts of the Shark Pool.

Thanks,

 

[Ignoratio Elenchi]

I am torn because it isn't the league commissioner's responsibility to keep everyone interested when they have a terrible record.

Yes it is. You've had a team tanking since halfway through the season, that's unacceptable.To answer your question, you're in a three-way tiebreaker situation. Doesn't matter at this point how you got there. Break the tie by whatever process is defined in your rules. I'd find a new commissioner pronto.

 

[Chaka]

How are they (ties) defined in your league rules?

Is this a H2H league? Do you have divisions?

Why would you have trouble arguing against the team that is complaining on the message board? If you sincerely can't argue against it you should argue for it, because doing the right thing is more important than making the playoffs yourself.

 

[Chaka]

I am torn because it isn't the league commissioner's responsibility to keep everyone interested when they have a terrible record.

Yes it is. You've had a team tanking since halfway through the season, that's unacceptable.To answer your question, you're in a three-way tiebreaker situation. Doesn't matter at this point how you got there. Break the tie by whatever process is defined in your rules. I'd find a new commissioner pronto.

Are you suggesting that the commish set lineups for other owners?The rules should have provisions to keep players interested, e.g. a weekly payout for highest scoring team, but I would never want a commish who set other teams lineups.Owners should know their responsibility, if they are quitters boot them out of the league.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

The person that most likely would have beaten me in a 2 way tiebreak has complained on the message board that it hurts the integrity of the league. I have a hard time arguing against that but then I would be eliminated.

I am torn because it isn't the league commissioner's responsibility to keep everyone interested when they have a terrible record.

He should have spoke up sooner and the commish should never have allowed it to happen. Since neither are the case, there is now a 3 way tie and whatever rules are in place must be followed for breaking the three way tie. The league really can't go back retroactively and correct scores from a few weeks ago.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

I am torn because it isn't the league commissioner's responsibility to keep everyone interested when they have a terrible record.

Yes it is. You've had a team tanking since halfway through the season, that's unacceptable.To answer your question, you're in a three-way tiebreaker situation. Doesn't matter at this point how you got there. Break the tie by whatever process is defined in your rules. I'd find a new commissioner pronto.

Are you suggesting that the commish set lineups for other owners?The rules should have provisions to keep players interested, e.g. a weekly payout for highest scoring team, but I would never want a commish who set other teams lineups.Owners should know their responsibility, if they are quitters boot them out of the league.

The commish should have contacted the owner that wasn't setting his line-up and asked him to do so. If the team is "abandoned" (meaning that owner states he's no longer interested) then the commish should step in and set the line-up. It's not fair that owners later in the season get to face teams starting injured/bye week players.

 

[Ignoratio Elenchi]

Are you suggesting that the commish set lineups for other owners?

No.

The rules should have provisions to keep players interested, e.g. a weekly payout for highest scoring team, but I would never want a commish who set other teams lineups.

I agree.

Owners should know their responsibility, if they are quitters boot them out of the league.

I agree with this as well.There was a known problem with an owner weeks ago. Commissioner should have done something about it then, not ignore it for weeks and end up with a league dispute now.

 

[Chaka]

The person that most likely would have beaten me in a 2 way tiebreak has complained on the message board that it hurts the integrity of the league. I have a hard time arguing against that but then I would be eliminated.

I am torn because it isn't the league commissioner's responsibility to keep everyone interested when they have a terrible record.

He should have spoke up sooner and the commish should never have allowed it to happen. Since neither are the case, there is now a 3 way tie and whatever rules are in place must be followed for breaking the three way tie. The league really can't go back retroactively and correct scores from a few weeks ago.

This is what happens with poorly defined rules.One option to prevent the non-submisson of lineups (or submission of incomplete lineups) is to have the starting lineup default to the last valid lineup that team submitted. Since he did not set a lineup during the Texans bye week his starting lineup would default to the one from the week before.

 

[Chaka]

I am torn because it isn't the league commissioner's responsibility to keep everyone interested when they have a terrible record.

Yes it is. You've had a team tanking since halfway through the season, that's unacceptable.To answer your question, you're in a three-way tiebreaker situation. Doesn't matter at this point how you got there. Break the tie by whatever process is defined in your rules. I'd find a new commissioner pronto.

Are you suggesting that the commish set lineups for other owners?The rules should have provisions to keep players interested, e.g. a weekly payout for highest scoring team, but I would never want a commish who set other teams lineups.Owners should know their responsibility, if they are quitters boot them out of the league.

The commish should have contacted the owner that wasn't setting his line-up and asked him to do so. If the team is "abandoned" (meaning that owner states he's no longer interested) then the commish should step in and set the line-up. It's not fair that owners later in the season get to face teams starting injured/bye week players.

There are better ways to accomplish this than giving a commish dictatorial authority.

 

[Chaka]

I still want to know why the OP can't really argue against the other team making the playoffs. If that's truly the case, then problem solved.

 

[Ignoratio Elenchi]

There are lots of ways to keep owners interested throughout the season, and if those don't work there are ways to handle abandoned/tanking teams. We can discuss them all and this league should implement them for next season, but unfortunately, the commissioner failed to do any of these things this year.

 

[Chaka]

There are lots of ways to keep owners interested throughout the season, and if those don't work there are ways to handle abandoned/tanking teams. We can discuss them all and this league should implement them for next season, but unfortunately, the commissioner failed to do any of these things this year.

Truth

 

[The_Fonz]

The league has payouts for highest score for one week and a second place as well as total points payouts. One year I won total points even though i lost in the first round of playoffs. So there is incentive to continue although not a weekly thing every week.

I have a hard time arguing against the other team getting into the playoffs because I just lost to him last week....badly but I still have more points.

There are no divisions but head to head play every week.

 

[The_Fonz]

The person that most likely would have beaten me in a 2 way tiebreak has complained on the message board that it hurts the integrity of the league. I have a hard time arguing against that but then I would be eliminated.

I am torn because it isn't the league commissioner's responsibility to keep everyone interested when they have a terrible record.

He should have spoke up sooner and the commish should never have allowed it to happen. Since neither are the case, there is now a 3 way tie and whatever rules are in place must be followed for breaking the three way tie. The league really can't go back retroactively and correct scores from a few weeks ago.

This seems like the fairest thing to do but I am biased because I will get into the playoffs. I am no so sure that "doing the right thing" and bowing out is my responsibility(again I am biased)...The commish was asleep at the wheel....also had no shot of making playoffs.Some very good thoughts here...even the ones that don't get me into the playoffs....

 

[Chaka]

The person that most likely would have beaten me in a 2 way tiebreak has complained on the message board that it hurts the integrity of the league. I have a hard time arguing against that but then I would be eliminated.

I am torn because it isn't the league commissioner's responsibility to keep everyone interested when they have a terrible record.

He should have spoke up sooner and the commish should never have allowed it to happen. Since neither are the case, there is now a 3 way tie and whatever rules are in place must be followed for breaking the three way tie. The league really can't go back retroactively and correct scores from a few weeks ago.

This seems like the fairest thing to do but I am biased because I will get into the playoffs. I am no so sure that "doing the right thing" and bowing out is my responsibility(again I am biased)...The commish was asleep at the wheel....also had no shot of making playoffs.Some very good thoughts here...even the ones that don't get me into the playoffs....

In life doing the right thing is always your responsibility.ETA: Just be certain it's the right thing before you fall on your sword.

 

[The_Fonz]

The person that most likely would have beaten me in a 2 way tiebreak has complained on the message board that it hurts the integrity of the league. I have a hard time arguing against that but then I would be eliminated.

I am torn because it isn't the league commissioner's responsibility to keep everyone interested when they have a terrible record.

He should have spoke up sooner and the commish should never have allowed it to happen. Since neither are the case, there is now a 3 way tie and whatever rules are in place must be followed for breaking the three way tie. The league really can't go back retroactively and correct scores from a few weeks ago.

This seems like the fairest thing to do but I am biased because I will get into the playoffs. I am no so sure that "doing the right thing" and bowing out is my responsibility(again I am biased)...The commish was asleep at the wheel....also had no shot of making playoffs.Some very good thoughts here...even the ones that don't get me into the playoffs....

In life doing the right thing is always your responsibility.ETA: Just be certain it's the right thing before you fall on your sword.

I like to think I always do the right thing in life generally speaking. But this is fantasy football.

 

[Warhogs]

An owner not submitting lineups should have been addressed during the season. At this point you have to follow your tie breaker rules and none of the reasons why someone may have won or lost a game during the season matters.

 

[Chaka]

The person that most likely would have beaten me in a 2 way tiebreak has complained on the message board that it hurts the integrity of the league. I have a hard time arguing against that but then I would be eliminated.

I am torn because it isn't the league commissioner's responsibility to keep everyone interested when they have a terrible record.

He should have spoke up sooner and the commish should never have allowed it to happen. Since neither are the case, there is now a 3 way tie and whatever rules are in place must be followed for breaking the three way tie. The league really can't go back retroactively and correct scores from a few weeks ago.

This seems like the fairest thing to do but I am biased because I will get into the playoffs. I am no so sure that "doing the right thing" and bowing out is my responsibility(again I am biased)...The commish was asleep at the wheel....also had no shot of making playoffs.Some very good thoughts here...even the ones that don't get me into the playoffs....

In life doing the right thing is always your responsibility.ETA: Just be certain it's the right thing before you fall on your sword.

I like to think I always do the right thing in life generally speaking. But this is fantasy football.

Considering there are other real humans involved I fail to see the distinction. Now if we're talking about a video game I'm completely on board. If you know it's the wrong thing and go on to win the championship you will always know that you won something you did not deserve. Even worse if the person who got shafted would have performed well enough to win the championship.I know it seems silly to talk like this about something like FF but right is right regardless of the scale.

But like I said be certain it's the right thing, you don't have to do the nice thing.

 

[Chaka]

What are the tie breaker rules?

 

[The_Fonz]

The person that most likely would have beaten me in a 2 way tiebreak has complained on the message board that it hurts the integrity of the league. I have a hard time arguing against that but then I would be eliminated.

I am torn because it isn't the league commissioner's responsibility to keep everyone interested when they have a terrible record.

He should have spoke up sooner and the commish should never have allowed it to happen. Since neither are the case, there is now a 3 way tie and whatever rules are in place must be followed for breaking the three way tie. The league really can't go back retroactively and correct scores from a few weeks ago.

This seems like the fairest thing to do but I am biased because I will get into the playoffs. I am no so sure that "doing the right thing" and bowing out is my responsibility(again I am biased)...The commish was asleep at the wheel....also had no shot of making playoffs.Some very good thoughts here...even the ones that don't get me into the playoffs....

In life doing the right thing is always your responsibility.ETA: Just be certain it's the right thing before you fall on your sword.

I like to think I always do the right thing in life generally speaking. But this is fantasy football.

Considering there are other real humans involved I fail to see the distinction. Now if we're talking about a video game I'm completely on board. If you know it's the wrong thing and go on to win the championship you will always know that you won something you did not deserve. Even worse if the person who got shafted would have performed well enough to win the championship.I know it seems silly to talk like this about something like FF but right is right regardless of the scale.

But like I said be certain it's the right thing, you don't have to do the nice thing.

i like this distinction...it would be the nice thing to do for sure....right or wrong? I'm going to leave it up to the commish and not argue with his decision.

 

[The_Fonz]

What are the tie breaker rules?

Just found this....now I have a little math to do....For playoff seedings, first tie breaker will be head to head then head to head point differential (even if 3 or more are tied) then overall points scored. If the seeds are not determined with that, a coin flip procedure will be used.

 

[texasheat]

Total points /thread

You draft players based on how many points you think they can score, you did the best job of that. Congrats.

 

[Chaka]

What are the tie breaker rules?

Just found this....now I have a little math to do....For playoff seedings, first tie breaker will be head to head then head to head point differential (even if 3 or more are tied) then overall points scored. If the seeds are not determined with that, a coin flip procedure will be used.

Looks like you have a system in place. Right or wrong doesn't matter at this point. Good luck.

 

[The_Fonz]

OK of I figured this correctly.

I (team A)lost to team B team by 49

I beat Team C by 55

When those two played each other team C won over team A by 10.

So based on this I should get into the playoffs if the commish doesn't intercede.

And I will have no guilt

 

[Chaka]

OK of I figured this correctly.I (team A)lost to team B team by 49I beat Team C by 55When those two played each other team C won over team A by 10.So based on this I should get into the playoffs if the commish doesn't intercede.And I will have no guilt

If you have done your math correctly there is no reason for the commish to intercede, if he does then it is time to consider getting a new commish or a new league.

 

[belljr]

H2H point differential - What in holy hell

 

[eric rymer]

H2H point differential - What in holy hell

agreed....I like total points scored much better.

 

[BroadwayG]

In the Thunderdome

 

[Mr. Know-It-All]

OK of I figured this correctly.I (team A)lost to team B team by 49I beat Team C by 55When those two played each other team C won over team A by 10.So based on this I should get into the playoffs if the commish doesn't intercede.And I will have no guilt

Assuming there is a typo and C beat B by 10. In that case I agree with you that you dominated C more that B dominated you, and C squeaked by B. You are 1-1, C is 1-1 and B is 1-1. Truly - it should come to total points at this point (not total points in shared games...total overall points).

 

[Topes]

OK of I figured this correctly.

I (team A)lost to team B team by 49

I beat Team C by 55

When those two played each other team C won over team A by 10.

So based on this I should get into the playoffs if the commish doesn't intercede.

And I will have no guilt

1) Did you model that after your league's definition of "head to head point differential"?The phrase "head to head point differential" seems ambiguous to the uninitiated (me).

2) The bolded part does not seem to add up.

B defeated A (OP) by 49

A (OP) defeated C by 55

C defeated A (OP) by 10

I don't see B playing C at all. It's not an even number of games. A played C twice.

 

[glumpy]

An owner not submitting lineups should have been addressed during the season. At this point you have to follow your tie breaker rules and none of the reasons why someone may have won or lost a game during the season matters.

This has been mentioned already and is my thought as well. Every owner in the league had to have noticed that Arian Foster was sitting on the bench and kept mum about it, including the commish, and including the owner who is complaining now.eta--no comment on how that tiebreaker system might play out when it's posted correctly.

 

[Mr. Know-It-All]

If you are willing to think outside of the box, another excellent tiebreaker would be dueling with pistols.

 

[The_Fonz]

OK of I figured this correctly.

I (team A)lost to team B team by 49

I beat Team C by 55

When those two played each other team C won over team A by 10.

So based on this I should get into the playoffs if the commish doesn't intercede.

And I will have no guilt

1) Did you model that after your league's definition of "head to head point differential"?The phrase "head to head point differential" seems ambiguous to the uninitiated (me).

2) The bolded part does not seem to add up.

B defeated A (OP) by 49

A (OP) defeated C by 55

C defeated A (OP) by 10

I don't see B playing C at all. It's not an even number of games. A played C twice.

I screwed that up when B played C there was a 10 pt differential. C won by 10.

 

[The_Fonz]

H2H point differential - What in holy hell

Yeah, I think it is kind of stupid but rules is rules. I think it should be decided by total points but I win either way so no need for me to stress over it now. Might bring it up for next year though.

 

[The_Fonz]

OK of I figured this correctly.I (team A)lost to team B team by 49I beat Team C by 55When those two played each other team C won over team A by 10.So based on this I should get into the playoffs if the commish doesn't intercede.And I will have no guilt

Assuming there is a typo and C beat B by 10. In that case I agree with you that you dominated C more that B dominated you, and C squeaked by B. You are 1-1, C is 1-1 and B is 1-1. Truly - it should come to total points at this point (not total points in shared games...total overall points).

I are in agreeance

 

[Chaka]

An owner not submitting lineups should have been addressed during the season. At this point you have to follow your tie breaker rules and none of the reasons why someone may have won or lost a game during the season matters.

This has been mentioned already and is my thought as well. Every owner in the league had to have noticed that Arian Foster was sitting on the bench and kept mum about it, including the commish, and including the owner who is complaining now.eta--no comment on how that tiebreaker system might play out when it's posted correctly.

I don't think every owner would have noticed. I don't check every other teams lineup to make sure they are starting what I consider to be the best players. In fact I imagine it is the norm to only check your lineup and, perhaps, the lineup of your weekly opponent.

 

[The_Fonz]

An owner not submitting lineups should have been addressed during the season. At this point you have to follow your tie breaker rules and none of the reasons why someone may have won or lost a game during the season matters.

This has been mentioned already and is my thought as well. Every owner in the league had to have noticed that Arian Foster was sitting on the bench and kept mum about it, including the commish, and including the owner who is complaining now.eta--no comment on how that tiebreaker system might play out when it's posted correctly.

I don't think every owner would have noticed. I don't check every other teams lineup to make sure they are starting what I consider to be the best players. In fact I imagine it is the norm to only check your lineup and, perhaps, the lineup of your weekly opponent.

The same owner played Foster when he was a late scratch in week 3 or 4 against me. If he would have played JStew on his bench he would have beaten me by 2. I guess I owe this guy a Christmas card or something...and NO! none of you can join my league! His excuse for letting things go was that he is in two other leagues where he is in first place or in the playoffs....Thanks again for all of your input here. This site rocks!

 

[chitlins3]

OK of I figured this correctly.

I (team A)lost to team B team by 49

I beat Team C by 55

When those two played each other team C won over team A by 10.

So based on this I should get into the playoffs if the commish doesn't intercede.

And I will have no guilt

1) Did you model that after your league's definition of "head to head point differential"?The phrase "head to head point differential" seems ambiguous to the uninitiated (me).

2) The bolded part does not seem to add up.

B defeated A (OP) by 49

A (OP) defeated C by 55

C defeated A (OP) by 10

I don't see B playing C at all. It's not an even number of games. A played C twice.

I screwed that up when B played C there was a 10 pt differential. C won by 10.

Wouldn't team B have the best point differential? Team B is +39 (49-10); Team A is +6 (55-49); Team C is -45 (10-55). Or am I looking at this wrong?

 

[The_Fonz]

OK of I figured this correctly.

I (team A)lost to team B team by 49

I beat Team C by 55

When those two played each other team C won over team A by 10.

So based on this I should get into the playoffs if the commish doesn't intercede.

And I will have no guilt

1) Did you model that after your league's definition of "head to head point differential"?The phrase "head to head point differential" seems ambiguous to the uninitiated (me).

2) The bolded part does not seem to add up.

B defeated A (OP) by 49

A (OP) defeated C by 55

C defeated A (OP) by 10

I don't see B playing C at all. It's not an even number of games. A played C twice.

I screwed that up when B played C there was a 10 pt differential. C won by 10.

Wouldn't team B have the best point differential? Team B is +39 (49-10); Team A is +6 (55-49); Team C is -45 (10-55). Or am I looking at this wrong?

I am still not sure ....I do hope you are looking at it wrong. I see what you did there but I dont think the commish meant it like that byt adding the point differentials from both games.

 

[firstseason1988]

At beginning of the season I started a thread to warn of these types of scenarios. it was deleted in 5 minutes. Sorry you didn't see it during that time. trying to help and fbgs had some issue with it.

 

[chitlins3]

OK of I figured this correctly.

I (team A)lost to team B team by 49

I beat Team C by 55

When those two played each other team C won over team A by 10.

So based on this I should get into the playoffs if the commish doesn't intercede.

And I will have no guilt

1) Did you model that after your league's definition of "head to head point differential"?The phrase "head to head point differential" seems ambiguous to the uninitiated (me).

2) The bolded part does not seem to add up.

B defeated A (OP) by 49

A (OP) defeated C by 55

C defeated A (OP) by 10

I don't see B playing C at all. It's not an even number of games. A played C twice.

I screwed that up when B played C there was a 10 pt differential. C won by 10.

Wouldn't team B have the best point differential? Team B is +39 (49-10); Team A is +6 (55-49); Team C is -45 (10-55). Or am I looking at this wrong?

I am still not sure ....I do hope you are looking at it wrong. I see what you did there but I dont think the commish meant it like that byt adding the point differentials from both games.

Right, what I did might be wrong but like posters above said head to head point differential is pretty ambiguous. It makes sense if you are taking the point differential of two teams that played each other twice, but with three teams it is unclear. Let us know what happens.

 

[The_Fonz]

I'll definitely fill you all in when I get the verdict.

 

[letnry]

OK of I figured this correctly.

I (team A)lost to team B team by 49

I beat Team C by 55

When those two played each other team C won over team A by 10.

So based on this I should get into the playoffs if the commish doesn't intercede.

And I will have no guilt

1) Did you model that after your league's definition of "head to head point differential"?The phrase "head to head point differential" seems ambiguous to the uninitiated (me).

2) The bolded part does not seem to add up.

B defeated A (OP) by 49

A (OP) defeated C by 55

C defeated A (OP) by 10

I don't see B playing C at all. It's not an even number of games. A played C twice.

I screwed that up when B played C there was a 10 pt differential. C won by 10.

Wouldn't team B have the best point differential? Team B is +39 (49-10); Team A is +6 (55-49); Team C is -45 (10-55). Or am I looking at this wrong?

I agree, this seems like the most logical way of doing a point differential to me. Team B had a dominate win, and a close loss. Team A had a dominate win and a dominate loss. Team C had a close win and a dominate loss. Not sure how else you can define point differential.

 

[killrobotkill]

I don't see what else "head to head point differential" *could* mean for a three-way tie. chitlins3 is right - Team B has the best "head to head point differential" of the three teams, so under these rules, they should get the playoff spot.

I would definitely push to change these tiebreaker rules for next season though. Total points is definitely the best tiebreaker for fantasy football.

 

[Ignoratio Elenchi]

I don't see what else "head to head point differential" *could* mean for a three-way tie. chitlins3 is right - Team B has the best "head to head point differential" of the three teams, so under these rules, they should get the playoff spot.

There's really no other way to interpret it.

 

[Chaka]

Uh oh. Things aren't looking good for The Fonz.

 

[Tony Jabroni]

The person that most likely would have beaten me in a 2 way tiebreak has complained on the message board that it hurts the integrity of the league. I have a hard time arguing against that but then I would be eliminated.

I am torn because it isn't the league commissioner's responsibility to keep everyone interested when they have a terrible record.

He should have spoke up sooner and the commish should never have allowed it to happen. Since neither are the case, there is now a 3 way tie and whatever rules are in place must be followed for breaking the three way tie. The league really can't go back retroactively and correct scores from a few weeks ago.

This seems like the fairest thing to do but I am biased because I will get into the playoffs. I am no so sure that "doing the right thing" and bowing out is my responsibility(again I am biased)...The commish was asleep at the wheel....also had no shot of making playoffs.Some very good thoughts here...even the ones that don't get me into the playoffs....

In life doing the right thing is always your responsibility.ETA: Just be certain it's the right thing before you fall on your sword.

I like to think I always do the right thing in life generally speaking. But this is fantasy football.

Great point. KILL HIM!

 

[The_Fonz]

I don't see what else "head to head point differential" *could* mean for a three-way tie. chitlins3 is right - Team B has the best "head to head point differential" of the three teams, so under these rules, they should get the playoff spot. I would definitely push to change these tiebreaker rules for next season though. Total points is definitely the best tiebreaker for fantasy football.

I think you are right and my season has jumped the shark! Total points from both games means I lose. Also if the point differential is taken from both games then I also lose. I think total points for the season should be third after record and head to head. Nothing has been finalized but I'd bet I'm done. Frankly, my team blows anyway

 

[The_Fonz]

Update for those who posted in this thread. I am not in the playoffs. Lost by point differential as we all figured out. Funny yhting is tha before the matchups were set, my team was shown in 7th at the top of the 3 way tie. I wonder if the league website automatically defaulted to the best deciding factor IMHO which is total points.

Oh well....Now I can watch the games without worrying about fantasy....that is always a nice relief and is why I never play in playoff leagues