How's the Packer decision to go with Rodgers looking now? (2 Viewers)

[sho nuff]

Umm...if you take away the 2 missed FGs...they would have had 2 wins in crunch time with drives the offense did lead.They would count as much as Favre and the Jets win against Buffalo and Indy's win a few weeks ago where the defense pulled the victory.And if you come up with Rodgers had nothing to do with it...we surely know you are full of it.

In the Minnesota game, Rodgers was given the ball at their own 41 with 2:15 left. He moved them 23 yards in 1:44. Getting them in position for a 50 plus yard FG is hardly impressive at all. The play-calling was a bit too conservative, but that probably had a lot to do with how ineffective Rodgers and the passing game had been for most of the day. In the Chicago game, thanks to a great special teams return and a bad penalty by the Bears, they started with the ball at the Chicago 35 with 3:05 left. Rodgers moved them a whole 15 yards in 2:40. Real impressive! Face it: He has sucked in crunch time this year, and the numbers quite clearly demonstrate that. You won't admit it, but they are there for everyone to see. Later.

That's the defenses fault. If they had gotten the ball to him on the 10 no way they don't score. A few picks would have helped also. Don't forget coaching. Oh yeah, don't forget the Special Teams was supposed to return the ball to inside the 10. Like I said earlier no way they don't score from there.

So you think defense was great all game?Special teams too?Do you put any blame anywhere but on Rodgers?

You left out the coaching excuse also that is used a lot to. Please don't forget it.Meh. They missed a few tackles but played pretty well for the conditions.

You are showing it is pointless trying to talk to you.You just won't answer simple and direct questions...youd rather just keep taking shots at Rodgers and me...while making excuses for everyone else.

 

[sho nuff]

Why wouldn't they exist as at least anonymous sources? I see it going the other way. Interesting you can't find any.What that you trying to make it look like your view is from the league and everyone else just the fans? So now the insult is I need to grow up. Nice, keep'em coming.

First of all, I did not make the statement as a fact like Stinger did claiming they lost alot of respect.I gave my opinion and nothing more.There will not always be sources and you are asking for links to prove a negative.As usual...jumping into something that had nothing to do with you...and the point going right over your head.And stop with the insult crap...you will know it if I decide to insult you.I tell you to grow up, because your posts are quite childish.

 

[sho nuff]

I think the Packers would be 5-10 or worse if Favre was still there. It's ridiculous blaming Rodgers for all this and thinking Favre would have made a difference, especially since Rodgers has played MUCH better than Favre this year.

You do understand they are in two different systems and have different experience levels in each.Favre is new to the system he is playing in and has to learn the system and get more of it on the fly. Rodgers has practiced and played in the Packers system for what 3 years now? Big difference so comparing the two's output just on that level alone isn't very productive.

This is pure spin...you whine about me spinning.But Favre is a 15 year vet...its week 17 coming up...when will the new system excuse be played out? He has been in the system for quite some time now...its time to give it up.No system out there is it ok for a QB to throw off his backfoot, across his body like Favre tried the other day. That was great when he was younger...not so much now. That...and for all the flack Rodgers has taken about holding the ball too long...did you see Favre in Seattle?Comparing a 1st year starter to a 15 year vet...the new system thing is pretty much a wash IMO.And Brett is a 3 time MVP... I think at this point he should be able to pick up a new system pretty quick and should not need the rest of you to make excuses for his poor play.

You just showed you lack of football knowledge and how the offensive systems are put in and work.

No, I think some of you make Favre to be so much...his leadership and experience means so much.

His leadership and experience did mean a lot to the Packers and that is one reasons that young team went 13-3 last year.Now you can't get back to doing everything you can to diminish Favre.

Sure...it was a reason, never have I denied this.The point remains...that continuing to make excuses for a 15 year vet not grasping the offense yet.When exactly will he get that throwing a duck off your back foot across your body and across the field is not a good thing?

You do not appear to understand what goes into putting an offensive system in takes. That's fine nothing wrong with that. Since when is learning an offensive system related to throwing a duck off your back foot? You realize the difference correct?

Umm...you do not appear to understand that its week 17 now...I think the guy should have grasped the system by now.His play has been bad...quit making excuses for him.

 

[sho nuff]

http://www.scoresreport.com/2008/07/31/did...o-stay-retired/

"the Packers have grossly mishandled the situation."

http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/08/06/...arthy-thompson/

"But given the manner in which McCarthy and Thompson have mishandled Favre’s attempt to return, some league insiders think that both men could be in danger, if the team tanks in 2008.

Said one team executive, “I can’t believe how the front office has ^&*$% up this thing. He is one of the two or three best all time players in franchise history. You can’t treat him like a piece of dirt. I would bet that this is going to end up costing a few people their jobs next January.”

http://m.si.com/news/sp/archive/detail/104...C8A.cnnsilive9i

"Green Bay general manager Ted Thompson may have mishandled this entire affair by being out of touch with Cook and virtually unreachable to Favre during the last three months."

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/2008/0...-tavern-talk-8/

"I was talking to a GM in the league today and even he was surprised that the Packers still refuse to bring in a veteran QB to back up and help Rodgers. I think it is a dangerous move and Green Bay needs to hope Rodgers can hold up. Risky business here."

Lets take these one by one.First one...how is that a source from around the league...its one guy's opinion who starts out with his bias of the "tried to bribe" him line. Funny how that "bribe" was offered to Favre before he even retired and Andrew Brandt knew about it even before he left the Packers.

First link...utter fail.

2nd one.

Hey, you found a team exec. One.

So...a pass for now.

3rd one.

"may have mishandled".

And Peter King is not "around the league".

Another utter fail.

4th link.

Not sure what you were linking to there...nothing like that in the actual article linked.

And...it was about not getting a backup...not even about the situation.

And even I said not having a backup was a mistake.

Worst fail of all.

Being generous that you actually found one...I will give you a 1-3.

Though, the one was just one exec...a far cry from your claim of how badly people around the league looked at the Packers Org.

Wrong....you missed this part.."But given the manner in which McCarthy and Thompson have mishandled Favre’s attempt to return, some league insiders think that both men could be in danger, if the team tanks in 2008.

That is more than one, sho.... but you just keep being in denial about this.

Like I said...I give you one out of 3.Thinking they mishandled it is also far and away from your original claim that they lost alot of respect around the league.

Even saying they mishandled it is not saying they lost alot of respect around the league.

So, Im no longer generous...you get an 0-4 and a complete and total fail in linking anything showing they have lost alot of respect around the league.

Please try again...no, better yet...please save us all the ridiculous spin you are about to bring.

So I see you still have not posted any useful information supporting your side.

I see you still don't get the point.My side is that I asked Stinger to back up his claim that they have lost alot of respect around the league and he has been unable to do so.

What kind of support do you expect me to post other than my asking him to back it up?

 

[sho nuff]

Here is a flaw with the anti-Favre crowd on trying to use his numbers with the Jets to state the Packers wouldn't have been better with him especially those clowns that think the Packers would have a WORSE record with Favre.If Thompson wanted Favre back and Favre knew that he would have been able to workout and train in the offseason so he would be more prepared to make it through the season.And again....it is common knowledge that Thompson DID NOT WANT FAVRE BACK so don't try and spin that.

There is one person claiming right now they would be worse.I claimed earlier in the season they would likely be worse if he played the way he had been playing.quit the had he wanted him back crap...seriously...if Favre wanted to come back and was committed to coming back instead of retiring, it would not matter one bit if Thompson wanted him or not.

 

[sho nuff]

This next part is unverified at this point...pulled it off another board...Id think it would keep a few of you quiet if true...but I doubt it...

In the 4th quarter of Jets games within 7 points (Jets winning by 7 or less, or losing by 7 or less), Favre's QB rating is 50 something

Instead just cue up the diminishing comments that are sure to come.

And you knock other people sources.I think everyone knows Favre has struggled lately and is an old man. Isn't that still a higher ranking than what they posted for Rodgers this week on MNF?

I stated specifically it was unverified.

 

[Mario Kart]

Wow, even on Christmas the fire is still going.

 

[Anthony Borbely]

I think the Packers would be 5-10 or worse if Favre was still there. It's ridiculous blaming Rodgers for all this and thinking Favre would have made a difference, especially since Rodgers has played MUCH better than Favre this year.

You do understand they are in two different systems and have different experience levels in each.Favre is new to the system he is playing in and has to learn the system and get more of it on the fly. Rodgers has practiced and played in the Packers system for what 3 years now? Big difference so comparing the two's output just on that level alone isn't very productive.

This is pure spin...you whine about me spinning.But Favre is a 15 year vet...its week 17 coming up...when will the new system excuse be played out? He has been in the system for quite some time now...its time to give it up.No system out there is it ok for a QB to throw off his backfoot, across his body like Favre tried the other day. That was great when he was younger...not so much now. That...and for all the flack Rodgers has taken about holding the ball too long...did you see Favre in Seattle?Comparing a 1st year starter to a 15 year vet...the new system thing is pretty much a wash IMO.And Brett is a 3 time MVP... I think at this point he should be able to pick up a new system pretty quick and should not need the rest of you to make excuses for his poor play.

You just showed you lack of football knowledge and how the offensive systems are put in and work.

No, I think some of you make Favre to be so much...his leadership and experience means so much.

His leadership and experience did mean a lot to the Packers and that is one reasons that young team went 13-3 last year.Now you can't get back to doing everything you can to diminish Favre.

Sure...it was a reason, never have I denied this.The point remains...that continuing to make excuses for a 15 year vet not grasping the offense yet.When exactly will he get that throwing a duck off your back foot across your body and across the field is not a good thing?

You do not appear to understand what goes into putting an offensive system in takes. That's fine nothing wrong with that. Since when is learning an offensive system related to throwing a duck off your back foot? You realize the difference correct?

Umm...you do not appear to understand that its week 17 now...I think the guy should have grasped the system by now.His play has been bad...quit making excuses for him.

 

[sho nuff]

Wow, even on Christmas the fire is still going.

It was Christmas eve...the kids were asleep, the wife was wrapping presents for me. And...um...well, you posted to...so what does that say about you.anyway...Merry Christmas to all.

 

[sho nuff]

I'll point to the Pro-bowl vote again as proof that Favre did not lose the respect most claim. Otherwise he would not be in on name alone. If he did lose respect then the voters put him in on his achievements on the field.

Good job...care to point out where most claim Favre lost respect?I believe it was one poster.

 

[sho nuff]

Favre haters thinks that. Rational people do not.

The word rational should not enter this thread. There isn't much rational thought coming from either side at this point with the Roger's haters being ahead down the backstretch by half a link on the mind numbing drivel being spewed about.

Where are those of us who really don't care one way or the other?

You don't care yet you are trying to catch my post count?Now, don't take that as hypocritical as I think counting posts is a bit out there.But obviously, as a Packer fan, I care about the topic. If you don't care...why are you till in here?

 

[Ookie Pringle]

I'll point to the Pro-bowl vote again as proof that Favre did not lose the respect most claim. Otherwise he would not be in on name alone. If he did lose respect then the voters put him in on his achievements on the field.

Good job...care to point out where most claim Favre lost respect?I believe it was one poster.

You really are a piece of work. All you have to do is read some of the posts in this forum since he retired to realize there is more than one poster that lost respect for him. Keep spinning, sho.

 

[Ookie Pringle]

That is the correct reaction to that post.

Not even close. Do you really think the reporters are going to use names of exectuives when they make those reports or make up things like that? I provide links and yet the Favre haters still try to diminish it. Give me break. You are fooling yourself if you think those reports are not true.

I meant your eyeroll was correct. I found it humorous that people were asking for links but what they REALLY want are the names...which for the very reason you listed would be impossible to get. We've ALL read those reports of NFL insiders bashing the handling in the offseason, but I guess some people have conveniently forgotten how ridiculous the whole saga was, what with the bribing and everything. I was simply posting before all the other hangers-on could deny those reports the same as they attempted to deny Favre's return as a rumor as well. It's the predictable response from posters who would dare to question your assertation in the first place. These requests for links to common knowledge gets pretty annoying, especially when the people who are requesting the links are telegraphing their denial way ahead of time.

Other than Scotty being completely incorrect.I did not want names...I wanted any bit of substance to support Stinger's point. He failed in that big time.We read a few reports of insiders saying they mishandled it (but that is not what was stated by Stinger).The Bribing is the dumbest one out there given when it was first brought up was before the guy even retired."they" attempted to deny Favre's return. No, Scotty is referring to me. Because Favre himself claimed it was a rumor when it first came out. At the time...its all it was. Reports that he might want to return...which he himself denied.I claimed it was a rumor (factually I might add) and wanted confirmation. When the confirmation came, people went nuts on the rumor comment. This is the predictable type reply from Scotty though.And no, it is not common knowledge that the Packers organization lost alot of respect around the league.If it was so common...someone would be able to post a single link saying so.Instead...we get one quote from an NFL exec talking about how they mishandled it...2 writer's opinion...and a guy talking about a veteran backup QB.Yet the usual suspects do their usual. simply because it was a response to one of my posts.

I guess you will dismiss the rant that Terry Bradshaw had on the FOX pregame show about Thompson and the mistake they made by running Favre out of Green Bay.

What team does Bradshaw work for or represent?He is no longer "around the league". He is an employee of Fox Sports.And again...him saying they made a mistake does not equal the organization losing alot of respect around the league.You are spinning around and around and not even coming close to the statement you made.

WTF are you talking about? Can you really sit there and believe that covering the NFL for FOX Sports and being a former NFL quarterback does not equate to Bradshaw being "around the league". He is around the league on a daily basis. You are nuts!

 

[Saints-Man]

...I was under the impression that the Packers front office was one of the most respected in the leauge.

They lost a lot of respect around the league for how they handled the Favre situation.

I have heard that from Packer fans, but not from 'around the league'.This was a difficult decision and I can understand that some Packer fans are unhappy with it.

 

[bcr8f]

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I was under the impression that the Packers front office was one of the most respected in the leauge.

They lost a lot of respect around the league for how they handled the Favre situation.

I have heard that from Packer fans, but not from 'around the league'.This was a difficult decision and I can understand that some Packer fans are unhappy with it.

Don't confuse media hype with that the team and league are saying.It seems in Wisconsin about half the fans backed up the decision. At a shareholders meeting in summer TT and McCarthy were given a huge vote of confidence.

I think the media(ESPN especially) were the ones against this trade. If a poll was done today most fans would be for it.

Most fans are team fans first and Favre fans second.

 

[Saints-Man]

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I was under the impression that the Packers front office was one of the most respected in the leauge.

They lost a lot of respect around the league for how they handled the Favre situation.

I have heard that from Packer fans, but not from 'around the league'.This was a difficult decision and I can understand that some Packer fans are unhappy with it.

Don't confuse media hype with that the team and league are saying.It seems in Wisconsin about half the fans backed up the decision. At a shareholders meeting in summer TT and McCarthy were given a huge vote of confidence.

I think the media(ESPN especially) were the ones against this trade. If a poll was done today most fans would be for it.

Most fans are team fans first and Favre fans second.

I agree. I can understand that this is a difficult decision for all concerned. When you root for a team, you identify with the individual players. I can understand that some portion of the Packer fan base identified Favre with solely the Packers and did not want him associated with another team. I understand the emotion.This does have its precedent. Neither Joe Montana, Jerry Rice, nor Ronnie Lott retired with the 49ers.

As a Saints fan, I was sad to see Archie Manning, Sam Mills, and Rickey Jackson play for other teams after their time with the Saints. The former two were a result of poor Saints' management decisions, and the latter was RJ's decision.

 

[sho nuff]

I'll point to the Pro-bowl vote again as proof that Favre did not lose the respect most claim. Otherwise he would not be in on name alone. If he did lose respect then the voters put him in on his achievements on the field.

Good job...care to point out where most claim Favre lost respect?I believe it was one poster.

You really are a piece of work. All you have to do is read some of the posts in this forum since he retired to realize there is more than one poster that lost respect for him. Keep spinning, sho.

Talk about spin...its not coming from me.He specifically stated "most claim".Reading that some posters lost respect for him is not what he was talking about.

 

[sho nuff]

That is the correct reaction to that post.

Not even close. Do you really think the reporters are going to use names of exectuives when they make those reports or make up things like that? I provide links and yet the Favre haters still try to diminish it. Give me break. You are fooling yourself if you think those reports are not true.

I meant your eyeroll was correct. I found it humorous that people were asking for links but what they REALLY want are the names...which for the very reason you listed would be impossible to get. We've ALL read those reports of NFL insiders bashing the handling in the offseason, but I guess some people have conveniently forgotten how ridiculous the whole saga was, what with the bribing and everything. I was simply posting before all the other hangers-on could deny those reports the same as they attempted to deny Favre's return as a rumor as well. It's the predictable response from posters who would dare to question your assertation in the first place. These requests for links to common knowledge gets pretty annoying, especially when the people who are requesting the links are telegraphing their denial way ahead of time.

Other than Scotty being completely incorrect.I did not want names...I wanted any bit of substance to support Stinger's point. He failed in that big time.We read a few reports of insiders saying they mishandled it (but that is not what was stated by Stinger).The Bribing is the dumbest one out there given when it was first brought up was before the guy even retired."they" attempted to deny Favre's return. No, Scotty is referring to me. Because Favre himself claimed it was a rumor when it first came out. At the time...its all it was. Reports that he might want to return...which he himself denied.I claimed it was a rumor (factually I might add) and wanted confirmation. When the confirmation came, people went nuts on the rumor comment. This is the predictable type reply from Scotty though.And no, it is not common knowledge that the Packers organization lost alot of respect around the league.If it was so common...someone would be able to post a single link saying so.Instead...we get one quote from an NFL exec talking about how they mishandled it...2 writer's opinion...and a guy talking about a veteran backup QB.Yet the usual suspects do their usual. simply because it was a response to one of my posts.

I guess you will dismiss the rant that Terry Bradshaw had on the FOX pregame show about Thompson and the mistake they made by running Favre out of Green Bay.

What team does Bradshaw work for or represent?He is no longer "around the league". He is an employee of Fox Sports.And again...him saying they made a mistake does not equal the organization losing alot of respect around the league.You are spinning around and around and not even coming close to the statement you made.

WTF are you talking about? Can you really sit there and believe that covering the NFL for FOX Sports and being a former NFL quarterback does not equate to Bradshaw being "around the league". He is around the league on a daily basis. You are nuts!

Yes, I really say that covering the NFL for Fox sports right now is not making his opinion as "around the league currently".Yes, he is a former QB. He no longer is an employee of the Steelers.

 

[Ookie Pringle]

That is the correct reaction to that post.

Not even close. Do you really think the reporters are going to use names of exectuives when they make those reports or make up things like that? I provide links and yet the Favre haters still try to diminish it. Give me break. You are fooling yourself if you think those reports are not true.

I meant your eyeroll was correct. I found it humorous that people were asking for links but what they REALLY want are the names...which for the very reason you listed would be impossible to get. We've ALL read those reports of NFL insiders bashing the handling in the offseason, but I guess some people have conveniently forgotten how ridiculous the whole saga was, what with the bribing and everything. I was simply posting before all the other hangers-on could deny those reports the same as they attempted to deny Favre's return as a rumor as well. It's the predictable response from posters who would dare to question your assertation in the first place. These requests for links to common knowledge gets pretty annoying, especially when the people who are requesting the links are telegraphing their denial way ahead of time.

Other than Scotty being completely incorrect.I did not want names...I wanted any bit of substance to support Stinger's point. He failed in that big time.We read a few reports of insiders saying they mishandled it (but that is not what was stated by Stinger).The Bribing is the dumbest one out there given when it was first brought up was before the guy even retired."they" attempted to deny Favre's return. No, Scotty is referring to me. Because Favre himself claimed it was a rumor when it first came out. At the time...its all it was. Reports that he might want to return...which he himself denied.I claimed it was a rumor (factually I might add) and wanted confirmation. When the confirmation came, people went nuts on the rumor comment. This is the predictable type reply from Scotty though.And no, it is not common knowledge that the Packers organization lost alot of respect around the league.If it was so common...someone would be able to post a single link saying so.Instead...we get one quote from an NFL exec talking about how they mishandled it...2 writer's opinion...and a guy talking about a veteran backup QB.Yet the usual suspects do their usual. simply because it was a response to one of my posts.

I guess you will dismiss the rant that Terry Bradshaw had on the FOX pregame show about Thompson and the mistake they made by running Favre out of Green Bay.

What team does Bradshaw work for or represent?He is no longer "around the league". He is an employee of Fox Sports.And again...him saying they made a mistake does not equal the organization losing alot of respect around the league.You are spinning around and around and not even coming close to the statement you made.

WTF are you talking about? Can you really sit there and believe that covering the NFL for FOX Sports and being a former NFL quarterback does not equate to Bradshaw being "around the league". He is around the league on a daily basis. You are nuts!

Yes, I really say that covering the NFL for Fox sports right now is not making his opinion as "around the league currently".Yes, he is a former QB. He no longer is an employee of the Steelers.

Like I said....you're nuts.

 

[renesauz]

Like I said....you're nuts.

He must be for carrying this fight on this long.Doesn't make him wrong though.I can't see how anyone could dstill attack the decision on the basis of performance. It's painfully obvious that Favre is nowhere close to his former self, and that Rodgers is a bonafide QB with an apparenty bright future.If you think it's wrong that TT "ran him out of town"...so be it. MANY will disagree with that assessment, with a boatload of facts to back them up.Either way...it's time to move on. Favre will never be a Packer again. Rodgers will be the face of the Packers franchise for the forseeable future. Since this fact was inevitable (whether last summer or this one), I think it's waaaaaaay past time to accept it and move on.

 

[bcr8f]

Like I said....you're nuts.

He must be for carrying this fight on this long.Doesn't make him wrong though.I can't see how anyone could dstill attack the decision on the basis of performance. It's painfully obvious that Favre is nowhere close to his former self, and that Rodgers is a bonafide QB with an apparenty bright future.If you think it's wrong that TT "ran him out of town"...so be it. MANY will disagree with that assessment, with a boatload of facts to back them up.Either way...it's time to move on. Favre will never be a Packer again. Rodgers will be the face of the Packers franchise for the forseeable future. Since this fact was inevitable (whether last summer or this one), I think it's waaaaaaay past time to accept it and move on.

Maybe he's tired of people trying to pass the same lies for truth. It's how we got in Iraq. While this isn't as impoirtant I get tired of media BS being accepted as truth too.Like whoever said the GB management lost it's credibility with the league. They didn't. They didn't lose the fans either. They just lose ESPN and some other Favre butt kissing reporters. That's all.

 

[hauser42]

I'll point to the Pro-bowl vote again as proof that Favre did not lose the respect most claim. Otherwise he would not be in on name alone. If he did lose respect then the voters put him in on his achievements on the field.

Good job...care to point out where most claim Favre lost respect?I believe it was one poster.

You really are a piece of work. All you have to do is read some of the posts in this forum since he retired to realize there is more than one poster that lost respect for him. Keep spinning, sho.

Favre was loosing respect with fans a couple of years ago. His hee hawing around with the retirement was starting to get on some fans. Favre getting into the Pro Bowl this year should not suprise anyone. He had a new fan base in New York voting for them and a base of Packer fans that still loved him. Like I have stated before the Pro Bowl is one of the biggest jokes in sports going right now. Half the players that get in are not deserving on that years performance and a good portion of players decide not to be in the game.Now if Favre is one and done in New York the Packers really mede the right move by getting a pick for him. And if his shoulder is in bad shape you have to wonder how it would have been playing for a Packer line that could not block well thie year.

 

[bcr8f]

Favre was loosing respect with fans a couple of years ago. His hee hawing around with the retirement was starting to get on some fans. Favre getting into the Pro Bowl this year should not suprise anyone. He had a new fan base in New York voting for them and a base of Packer fans that still loved him. Like I have stated before the Pro Bowl is one of the biggest jokes in sports going right now. Half the players that get in are not deserving on that years performance and a good portion of players decide not to be in the game.Now if Favre is one and done in New York the Packers really mede the right move by getting a pick for him. And if his shoulder is in bad shape you have to wonder how it would have been playing for a Packer line that could not block well thie year.

Yeah who knows. Rodgers has had a shoulder problem too and showed good toughness playing through it. The Pro Bowl's a weekly vacation and scrimmage. Most fans don't know good players vs bad in most cases and fantasy players like us would be better at choosing the rosters.

 

[Stinger Ray]

Like I said....you're nuts.

He must be for carrying this fight on this long.Doesn't make him wrong though.I can't see how anyone could dstill attack the decision on the basis of performance. It's painfully obvious that Favre is nowhere close to his former self, and that Rodgers is a bonafide QB with an apparenty bright future.If you think it's wrong that TT "ran him out of town"...so be it. MANY will disagree with that assessment, with a boatload of facts to back them up.Either way...it's time to move on. Favre will never be a Packer again. Rodgers will be the face of the Packers franchise for the forseeable future. Since this fact was inevitable (whether last summer or this one), I think it's waaaaaaay past time to accept it and move on.

Maybe he's tired of people trying to pass the same lies for truth. It's how we got in Iraq. While this isn't as impoirtant I get tired of media BS being accepted as truth too.Like whoever said the GB management lost it's credibility with the league. They didn't. They didn't lose the fans either. They just lose ESPN and some other Favre butt kissing reporters. That's all.

No one said that GB management lost it's credibility with the league. Also, what do you mean they didn't lose fans either? Are you nuts? Unfortunately any Packer fan has heard and read about the Packers losing supporters/fans due to the Favre situation. It is unfortunate but true, bcr8f.

 

[Stinger Ray]

Favre was loosing respect with fans a couple of years ago. His hee hawing around with the retirement was starting to get on some fans. Favre getting into the Pro Bowl this year should not suprise anyone. He had a new fan base in New York voting for them and a base of Packer fans that still loved him. Like I have stated before the Pro Bowl is one of the biggest jokes in sports going right now. Half the players that get in are not deserving on that years performance and a good portion of players decide not to be in the game.Now if Favre is one and done in New York the Packers really mede the right move by getting a pick for him. And if his shoulder is in bad shape you have to wonder how it would have been playing for a Packer line that could not block well thie year.

Most fans don't know good players vs bad in most cases and fantasy players like us would be better at choosing the rosters.

In this case you wouldn't qualify because you think the Packers have outscored the Jets this year.

 

[hauser42]

Like I said....you're nuts.

He must be for carrying this fight on this long.Doesn't make him wrong though.I can't see how anyone could dstill attack the decision on the basis of performance. It's painfully obvious that Favre is nowhere close to his former self, and that Rodgers is a bonafide QB with an apparenty bright future.If you think it's wrong that TT "ran him out of town"...so be it. MANY will disagree with that assessment, with a boatload of facts to back them up.Either way...it's time to move on. Favre will never be a Packer again. Rodgers will be the face of the Packers franchise for the forseeable future. Since this fact was inevitable (whether last summer or this one), I think it's waaaaaaay past time to accept it and move on.

Maybe he's tired of people trying to pass the same lies for truth. It's how we got in Iraq. While this isn't as impoirtant I get tired of media BS being accepted as truth too.Like whoever said the GB management lost it's credibility with the league. They didn't. They didn't lose the fans either. They just lose ESPN and some other Favre butt kissing reporters. That's all.

No one said that GB management lost it's credibility with the league. Also, what do you mean they didn't lose fans either? Are you nuts? Unfortunately any Packer fan has heard and read about the Packers losing supporters/fans due to the Favre situation. It is unfortunate but true, bcr8f.

Those fans that got off the Packer wagon will be junping back on when the team starts winning next year. This happens to every team has fans jump off and on during the lean times. We all know this so it should be no big deal that some of the fan base is upset and not backing the team or the front office at this time.

 

[Stinger Ray]

Like I said....you're nuts.

He must be for carrying this fight on this long.Doesn't make him wrong though.I can't see how anyone could dstill attack the decision on the basis of performance. It's painfully obvious that Favre is nowhere close to his former self, and that Rodgers is a bonafide QB with an apparenty bright future.If you think it's wrong that TT "ran him out of town"...so be it. MANY will disagree with that assessment, with a boatload of facts to back them up.Either way...it's time to move on. Favre will never be a Packer again. Rodgers will be the face of the Packers franchise for the forseeable future. Since this fact was inevitable (whether last summer or this one), I think it's waaaaaaay past time to accept it and move on.

Maybe he's tired of people trying to pass the same lies for truth. It's how we got in Iraq. While this isn't as impoirtant I get tired of media BS being accepted as truth too.Like whoever said the GB management lost it's credibility with the league. They didn't. They didn't lose the fans either. They just lose ESPN and some other Favre butt kissing reporters. That's all.

No one said that GB management lost it's credibility with the league. Also, what do you mean they didn't lose fans either? Are you nuts? Unfortunately any Packer fan has heard and read about the Packers losing supporters/fans due to the Favre situation. It is unfortunate but true, bcr8f.

Those fans that got off the Packer wagon will be junping back on when the team starts winning next year. This happens to every team has fans jump off and on during the lean times. We all know this so it should be no big deal that some of the fan base is upset and not backing the team or the front office at this time.

Agreed...that is why this quote from bcr8f is so funny..."They didn't lose fans either". They did lose fans and not all of them may come back. It is unfortunate.

 

[Anthony Borbely]

Like I said....you're nuts.

He must be for carrying this fight on this long.Doesn't make him wrong though.I can't see how anyone could dstill attack the decision on the basis of performance. It's painfully obvious that Favre is nowhere close to his former self, and that Rodgers is a bonafide QB with an apparenty bright future.If you think it's wrong that TT "ran him out of town"...so be it. MANY will disagree with that assessment, with a boatload of facts to back them up.Either way...it's time to move on. Favre will never be a Packer again. Rodgers will be the face of the Packers franchise for the forseeable future. Since this fact was inevitable (whether last summer or this one), I think it's waaaaaaay past time to accept it and move on.

Maybe he's tired of people trying to pass the same lies for truth. It's how we got in Iraq. While this isn't as impoirtant I get tired of media BS being accepted as truth too.Like whoever said the GB management lost it's credibility with the league. They didn't. They didn't lose the fans either. They just lose ESPN and some other Favre butt kissing reporters. That's all.

No one said that GB management lost it's credibility with the league. Also, what do you mean they didn't lose fans either? Are you nuts? Unfortunately any Packer fan has heard and read about the Packers losing supporters/fans due to the Favre situation. It is unfortunate but true, bcr8f.

Those fans that got off the Packer wagon will be junping back on when the team starts winning next year. This happens to every team has fans jump off and on during the lean times. We all know this so it should be no big deal that some of the fan base is upset and not backing the team or the front office at this time.

Agreed...that is why this quote from bcr8f is so funny..."They didn't lose fans either". They did lose fans and not all of them may come back. It is unfortunate.

If they lost "fans" because of this...they were not real fans to begin with. No player is bigger than the team.

 

[Stinger Ray]

Like I said....you're nuts.

He must be for carrying this fight on this long.Doesn't make him wrong though.I can't see how anyone could dstill attack the decision on the basis of performance. It's painfully obvious that Favre is nowhere close to his former self, and that Rodgers is a bonafide QB with an apparenty bright future.If you think it's wrong that TT "ran him out of town"...so be it. MANY will disagree with that assessment, with a boatload of facts to back them up.Either way...it's time to move on. Favre will never be a Packer again. Rodgers will be the face of the Packers franchise for the forseeable future. Since this fact was inevitable (whether last summer or this one), I think it's waaaaaaay past time to accept it and move on.

Maybe he's tired of people trying to pass the same lies for truth. It's how we got in Iraq. While this isn't as impoirtant I get tired of media BS being accepted as truth too.Like whoever said the GB management lost it's credibility with the league. They didn't. They didn't lose the fans either. They just lose ESPN and some other Favre butt kissing reporters. That's all.

No one said that GB management lost it's credibility with the league. Also, what do you mean they didn't lose fans either? Are you nuts? Unfortunately any Packer fan has heard and read about the Packers losing supporters/fans due to the Favre situation. It is unfortunate but true, bcr8f.

Those fans that got off the Packer wagon will be junping back on when the team starts winning next year. This happens to every team has fans jump off and on during the lean times. We all know this so it should be no big deal that some of the fan base is upset and not backing the team or the front office at this time.

Agreed...that is why this quote from bcr8f is so funny..."They didn't lose fans either". They did lose fans and not all of them may come back. It is unfortunate.

If they lost "fans" because of this...they were not real fans to begin with. No player is bigger than the team.

I agree to an extent. However, this is a very unique situation since Favre was successful for so many years in GB and then how the divorce went that would cause some REAL fans to be very upset. I highly doubt any of us will ever see anything like this again in the NFL.

 

[parasaurolophus]

who has the right to decide what a real fan is?

 

[Mario Kart]

If they lost "fans" because of this...they were not real fans to begin with. No player is bigger than the team.

Here we go again. Your statement is laughable and on the verge of being idiotic. "If citizens say something bad about the President, they aren't real Americans." Same thought, just as laughable.

 

[Sabertooth]

If they lost "fans" because of this...they were not real fans to begin with. No player is bigger than the team.

Here we go again. Your statement is laughable and on the verge of being idiotic. "If citizens say something bad about the President, they aren't real Americans." Same thought, just as laughable.

I think you have it backwards. Which further proves the point.

 

[Sabertooth]

who has the right to decide what a real fan is?

Everybody does. I think that it's a personal perception.

 

[bcr8f]

If they lost "fans" because of this...they were not real fans to begin with. No player is bigger than the team.

Exactly right.The Packer are one of those teams that go way way back. So are the Bears and the Lions. Our grandfathers were fans(most fans can't remember when family members weren't Packer fans) and we won many championships before Favre was born.Most are fans of the team first, Favre second.2 years ago when the defense stunk is very similar to this year, but they will give up even more points this year. Last year was the aberation.

 

[hauser42]

Like I said....you're nuts.

He must be for carrying this fight on this long.Doesn't make him wrong though.I can't see how anyone could dstill attack the decision on the basis of performance. It's painfully obvious that Favre is nowhere close to his former self, and that Rodgers is a bonafide QB with an apparenty bright future.If you think it's wrong that TT "ran him out of town"...so be it. MANY will disagree with that assessment, with a boatload of facts to back them up.Either way...it's time to move on. Favre will never be a Packer again. Rodgers will be the face of the Packers franchise for the forseeable future. Since this fact was inevitable (whether last summer or this one), I think it's waaaaaaay past time to accept it and move on.

Maybe he's tired of people trying to pass the same lies for truth. It's how we got in Iraq. While this isn't as impoirtant I get tired of media BS being accepted as truth too.Like whoever said the GB management lost it's credibility with the league. They didn't. They didn't lose the fans either. They just lose ESPN and some other Favre butt kissing reporters. That's all.

No one said that GB management lost it's credibility with the league. Also, what do you mean they didn't lose fans either? Are you nuts? Unfortunately any Packer fan has heard and read about the Packers losing supporters/fans due to the Favre situation. It is unfortunate but true, bcr8f.

Those fans that got off the Packer wagon will be junping back on when the team starts winning next year. This happens to every team has fans jump off and on during the lean times. We all know this so it should be no big deal that some of the fan base is upset and not backing the team or the front office at this time.

Agreed...that is why this quote from bcr8f is so funny..."They didn't lose fans either". They did lose fans and not all of them may come back. It is unfortunate.

If they lost "fans" because of this...they were not real fans to begin with. No player is bigger than the team.

Your post could not be more correct. The issue with the Packers and Favre is that there is a generation of fans out there the only know Favre as a Packer and what he was part of in Packer history. You have fans in Late 20s and younger that grew up watching Favre and the Packers winning and never knowing any thing else. Now their idol was taken from them and they want to blame someone or dont care as much about the Packers.

 

[Underachievers]

Like I said....you're nuts.

He must be for carrying this fight on this long.Doesn't make him wrong though.I can't see how anyone could dstill attack the decision on the basis of performance. It's painfully obvious that Favre is nowhere close to his former self, and that Rodgers is a bonafide QB with an apparenty bright future.If you think it's wrong that TT "ran him out of town"...so be it. MANY will disagree with that assessment, with a boatload of facts to back them up.Either way...it's time to move on. Favre will never be a Packer again. Rodgers will be the face of the Packers franchise for the forseeable future. Since this fact was inevitable (whether last summer or this one), I think it's waaaaaaay past time to accept it and move on.

Maybe he's tired of people trying to pass the same lies for truth. It's how we got in Iraq. While this isn't as impoirtant I get tired of media BS being accepted as truth too.Like whoever said the GB management lost it's credibility with the league. They didn't. They didn't lose the fans either. They just lose ESPN and some other Favre butt kissing reporters. That's all.

No one said that GB management lost it's credibility with the league. Also, what do you mean they didn't lose fans either? Are you nuts? Unfortunately any Packer fan has heard and read about the Packers losing supporters/fans due to the Favre situation. It is unfortunate but true, bcr8f.

Those fans that got off the Packer wagon will be junping back on when the team starts winning next year. This happens to every team has fans jump off and on during the lean times. We all know this so it should be no big deal that some of the fan base is upset and not backing the team or the front office at this time.

Agreed...that is why this quote from bcr8f is so funny..."They didn't lose fans either". They did lose fans and not all of them may come back. It is unfortunate.

If they lost "fans" because of this...they were not real fans to begin with. No player is bigger than the team.

Your post could not be more correct. The issue with the Packers and Favre is that there is a generation of fans out there the only know Favre as a Packer and what he was part of in Packer history. You have fans in Late 20s and younger that grew up watching Favre and the Packers winning and never knowing any thing else. Now their idol was taken from them and they want to blame someone or dont care as much about the Packers.

I loved watching Steve Odom play....so your theory is not entirely accurate.

 

[Phase of the Game]

Like I said....you're nuts.

He must be for carrying this fight on this long.Doesn't make him wrong though.I can't see how anyone could dstill attack the decision on the basis of performance. It's painfully obvious that Favre is nowhere close to his former self, and that Rodgers is a bonafide QB with an apparenty bright future.If you think it's wrong that TT "ran him out of town"...so be it. MANY will disagree with that assessment, with a boatload of facts to back them up.Either way...it's time to move on. Favre will never be a Packer again. Rodgers will be the face of the Packers franchise for the forseeable future. Since this fact was inevitable (whether last summer or this one), I think it's waaaaaaay past time to accept it and move on.

Maybe he's tired of people trying to pass the same lies for truth. It's how we got in Iraq. While this isn't as impoirtant I get tired of media BS being accepted as truth too.Like whoever said the GB management lost it's credibility with the league. They didn't. They didn't lose the fans either. They just lose ESPN and some other Favre butt kissing reporters. That's all.

No one said that GB management lost it's credibility with the league. Also, what do you mean they didn't lose fans either? Are you nuts? Unfortunately any Packer fan has heard and read about the Packers losing supporters/fans due to the Favre situation. It is unfortunate but true, bcr8f.

Those fans that got off the Packer wagon will be junping back on when the team starts winning next year. This happens to every team has fans jump off and on during the lean times. We all know this so it should be no big deal that some of the fan base is upset and not backing the team or the front office at this time.

Agreed...that is why this quote from bcr8f is so funny..."They didn't lose fans either". They did lose fans and not all of them may come back. It is unfortunate.

If they lost "fans" because of this...they were not real fans to begin with. No player is bigger than the team.

Your post could not be more correct. The issue with the Packers and Favre is that there is a generation of fans out there the only know Favre as a Packer and what he was part of in Packer history. You have fans in Late 20s and younger that grew up watching Favre and the Packers winning and never knowing any thing else. Now their idol was taken from them and they want to blame someone or dont care as much about the Packers.

And if they want to feel that way no one should judge them as not being real fans. You said it......they grew up watching Favre and the Packers winning. If they were supporting the Packers and Favre during that time they were real fans. If they now choose to not care as much about the Packers that is there prerogative. You guys that want to be so quick to judge those fans are diminishing what a huge story this has been in Packer history. Considering how everything took place with Favre leaving of course it will have a dramatic impact on fans feelings one way or the other as you can see here and if you read any of the Packer message boards.

 

[Phurfur]

Like I said....you're nuts.

He must be for carrying this fight on this long.Doesn't make him wrong though.

I can't see how anyone could dstill attack the decision on the basis of performance. It's painfully obvious that Favre is nowhere close to his former self, and that Rodgers is a bonafide QB with an apparenty bright future.

If you think it's wrong that TT "ran him out of town"...so be it. MANY will disagree with that assessment, with a boatload of facts to back them up.

Either way...it's time to move on. Favre will never be a Packer again. Rodgers will be the face of the Packers franchise for the forseeable future. Since this fact was inevitable (whether last summer or this one), I think it's waaaaaaay past time to accept it and move on.

Maybe he's tired of people trying to pass the same lies for truth. It's how we got in Iraq. While this isn't as impoirtant I get tired of media BS being accepted as truth too.Like whoever said the GB management lost it's credibility with the league. They didn't. They didn't lose the fans either. They just lose ESPN and some other Favre butt kissing reporters. That's all.

No one said that GB management lost it's credibility with the league. Also, what do you mean they didn't lose fans either? Are you nuts? Unfortunately any Packer fan has heard and read about the Packers losing supporters/fans due to the Favre situation. It is unfortunate but true, bcr8f.

Those fans that got off the Packer wagon will be junping back on when the team starts winning next year. This happens to every team has fans jump off and on during the lean times. We all know this so it should be no big deal that some of the fan base is upset and not backing the team or the front office at this time.

Agreed...that is why this quote from bcr8f is so funny..."They didn't lose fans either". They did lose fans and not all of them may come back. It is unfortunate.

If they lost "fans" because of this...they were not real fans to begin with. No player is bigger than the team.

Your post could not be more correct. The issue with the Packers and Favre is that there is a generation of fans out there the only know Favre as a Packer and what he was part of in Packer history. You have fans in Late 20s and younger that grew up watching Favre and the Packers winning and never knowing any thing else. Now their idol was taken from them and they want to blame someone or dont care as much about the Packers.

And if they want to feel that way no one should judge them as not being real fans. You said it......they grew up watching Favre and the Packers winning. If they were supporting the Packers and Favre during that time they were real fans. If they now choose to not care as much about the Packers that is there prerogative. You guys that want to be so quick to judge those fans are diminishing what a huge story this has been in Packer history. Considering how everything took place with Favre leaving of course it will have a dramatic impact on fans feelings one way or the other as you can see here and if you read any of the Packer message boards.

I see your problem; you do not understand the meaning of the phrase "true Packer fan". You are describing football fans that change their allegiance with the wind. There is nothing wrong with this; it is the way fans have adjusted to football since it became a business.

 

[Mario Kart]

If they lost "fans" because of this...they were not real fans to begin with. No player is bigger than the team.

Here we go again. Your statement is laughable and on the verge of being idiotic. "If citizens say something bad about the President, they aren't real Americans." Same thought, just as laughable.

I think you have it backwards. Which further proves the point.

You think your statements are 100% factual when they are subjective and 0% factual. Keep arguing what a "real fan" is because all you are doing is continuing to be a part of the problem. But, carry on.

 

[bcr8f]

If they lost "fans" because of this...they were not real fans to begin with. No player is bigger than the team.

Here we go again. Your statement is laughable and on the verge of being idiotic. "If citizens say something bad about the President, they aren't real Americans." Same thought, just as laughable.

I think you have it backwards. Which further proves the point.

You think your statements are 100% factual when they are subjective and 0% factual. Keep arguing what a "real fan" is because all you are doing is continuing to be a part of the problem. But, carry on.

OK genius. Prove what a real fan is.

 

[parasaurolophus]

people dont realize how important it is for this team to win, and win consistently. It is freakin Green Bay. There is no other team in a remotely similar situation.

they also dont realize how important classy treatment of players is.

Who ever wants to go to green bay? What player wants to live there? The reason GB has been able to compete is because of the class act our organization was and because they were winners year in and year out. If we have a few year slump and have a GM that has the perception of running icons out of town, that few years can turn into 15 years.

It is the GM's responsibility to handle these issues and handle them well. This situation was not handled well. The fact this thread is 49 pages is pretty decent proof of that.

I like the packers. I like Rodgers. He has handled this very well. I have only known the packers with Favre. I moved here right when Favre came here. If the Packers end up sucking for a bunch of years, I will probably not really stay as big of a fan. I dont care if in some yoyos eyes that means I am not a real fan.

I like to enjoy watching my team and rooting for my team. I dont enjoy looking torward the next season every year. I have the brewers for that.

 

[Phase of the Game]

Like I said....you're nuts.

He must be for carrying this fight on this long.Doesn't make him wrong though.

I can't see how anyone could dstill attack the decision on the basis of performance. It's painfully obvious that Favre is nowhere close to his former self, and that Rodgers is a bonafide QB with an apparenty bright future.

If you think it's wrong that TT "ran him out of town"...so be it. MANY will disagree with that assessment, with a boatload of facts to back them up.

Either way...it's time to move on. Favre will never be a Packer again. Rodgers will be the face of the Packers franchise for the forseeable future. Since this fact was inevitable (whether last summer or this one), I think it's waaaaaaay past time to accept it and move on.

Maybe he's tired of people trying to pass the same lies for truth. It's how we got in Iraq. While this isn't as impoirtant I get tired of media BS being accepted as truth too.Like whoever said the GB management lost it's credibility with the league. They didn't. They didn't lose the fans either. They just lose ESPN and some other Favre butt kissing reporters. That's all.

No one said that GB management lost it's credibility with the league. Also, what do you mean they didn't lose fans either? Are you nuts? Unfortunately any Packer fan has heard and read about the Packers losing supporters/fans due to the Favre situation. It is unfortunate but true, bcr8f.

Those fans that got off the Packer wagon will be junping back on when the team starts winning next year. This happens to every team has fans jump off and on during the lean times. We all know this so it should be no big deal that some of the fan base is upset and not backing the team or the front office at this time.

Agreed...that is why this quote from bcr8f is so funny..."They didn't lose fans either". They did lose fans and not all of them may come back. It is unfortunate.

If they lost "fans" because of this...they were not real fans to begin with. No player is bigger than the team.

Your post could not be more correct. The issue with the Packers and Favre is that there is a generation of fans out there the only know Favre as a Packer and what he was part of in Packer history. You have fans in Late 20s and younger that grew up watching Favre and the Packers winning and never knowing any thing else. Now their idol was taken from them and they want to blame someone or dont care as much about the Packers.

And if they want to feel that way no one should judge them as not being real fans. You said it......they grew up watching Favre and the Packers winning. If they were supporting the Packers and Favre during that time they were real fans. If they now choose to not care as much about the Packers that is there prerogative. You guys that want to be so quick to judge those fans are diminishing what a huge story this has been in Packer history. Considering how everything took place with Favre leaving of course it will have a dramatic impact on fans feelings one way or the other as you can see here and if you read any of the Packer message boards.

I see your problem; you do not understand the meaning of the phrase "true Packer fan". You are describing football fans that change their allegiance with the wind. There is nothing wrong with this; it is the way fans have adjusted to football since it became a business.

I understand completely. There were some "true Packer fans" that changed their minds after Favre left just like how some fans have turned on Favre.That happens. True Packer fans doesn't mean someone will be a Packer fan for life. I am sure there are some true Lions fans that are no longer fans as well. Some of you also want to think a true Packer fan can't question anything the team does.

 

[Mario Kart]

If they lost "fans" because of this...they were not real fans to begin with. No player is bigger than the team.

Here we go again. Your statement is laughable and on the verge of being idiotic. "If citizens say something bad about the President, they aren't real Americans." Same thought, just as laughable.

I think you have it backwards. Which further proves the point.

You think your statements are 100% factual when they are subjective and 0% factual. Keep arguing what a "real fan" is because all you are doing is continuing to be a part of the problem. But, carry on.

OK genius. Prove what a real fan is.

The "proof" you are looking for is something you have to provide with empirical evidence through peer reviewed studies. You and a few others are claiming to "know" what a "true fan" is, hence it is your distinction that needs to be proved. I will be waiting for the newsletter. TIA

 

[Phase of the Game]

If they lost "fans" because of this...they were not real fans to begin with. No player is bigger than the team.

Here we go again. Your statement is laughable and on the verge of being idiotic. "If citizens say something bad about the President, they aren't real Americans." Same thought, just as laughable.

I think you have it backwards. Which further proves the point.

You think your statements are 100% factual when they are subjective and 0% factual. Keep arguing what a "real fan" is because all you are doing is continuing to be a part of the problem. But, carry on.

OK genius. Prove what a real fan is.

1. They would have to know that the Packers have not scored more points than the Jets this season. That disqualifies you.

 

[Stinger Ray]

If they lost "fans" because of this...they were not real fans to begin with. No player is bigger than the team.

Here we go again. Your statement is laughable and on the verge of being idiotic. "If citizens say something bad about the President, they aren't real Americans." Same thought, just as laughable.

I think you have it backwards. Which further proves the point.

You think your statements are 100% factual when they are subjective and 0% factual. Keep arguing what a "real fan" is because all you are doing is continuing to be a part of the problem. But, carry on.

OK genius. Prove what a real fan is.

1. They would have to know that the Packers have not scored more points than the Jets this season. That disqualifies you.

 

[Thorpe]

I'll point to the Pro-bowl vote again as proof that Favre did not lose the respect most claim. Otherwise he would not be in on name alone. If he did lose respect then the voters put him in on his achievements on the field.

Good job...care to point out where most claim Favre lost respect?I believe it was one poster.

The Pro Bowl means nothing after Jason Peters got in this year. The Bills O Line was better this year when he was holding out.

 

[zDragon]

That said...watching him play recently...Im not exactly sad that he is not in GB.

More sad that he even tried to come back.

Hoping for a good game against Miami so he can at least go out on a good note if he does call it quits for good this time.

As bad as the memory of his last pass against NY was...I think it might be worse to go out just looking like a shell of his former self.

You do anything you can to spin about Favre. He made the Pro Bowl this year and was one of the reasons the Jets increased to 9 wins. Yet....you still spin even though you claim you never try to diminish Favre. Almost everything you do here is somehow tied to knocking Favre. That is why you post so much...anything you see about Favre you feel you have to respond to put a negative spin on it!!!

Have you watched the guy play this year? Im not diminishing his play...he has been bad the past few weeks. He talks about his arm being sore and not having much on it (or something to that effect).Yes...he got voted into the probowl...a vote that most people feel was complete crap given how he has played recently.

Yes, he was one of the reasons they got where they did. Read the jets collapse thread...the jets fans know he was part of it...but some don't even feel he was the biggest part...and they say his play has been terrible too. I guess they are just diminishing him and are Favre haters.

You just can't take the fact that Brett is not playing well right now. It burns you up that this thread is alive and well because the decision at this point, based on Favre's play, looks like the right one.

Almost everything I do is tied to knocking him? Not at all. In this thread it has been about Favre vs. Rodgers...so yes, negative things about Favre's play are going to come up.

But his play in recent weeks has been bad...some of the worst of his career. At least in 2005 he was playing bad, but trying to do too much on his own because of injuries to his WRs and RBs and he needed to go for it far more. He has more support now. Some of its poor coaching in NY...some of it is Brett being wreckless and at 39 he may just not be able to do as much as he thought he could.

Sorry you can't see that and just think its to diminish him.

As I have posted, I hope if he is going to retire for good, that he has a good game Sunday and goes out looking like the Brett of old rather than how he has looked the past several weeks.

You stated "a vote that most people feel was complete crap given how he has played recently." about the pro-bowl vote. Can you link or show where this is fact? To me the fact he was voted into the pro-bowl shows most people feel he deserves it.Just going to ignore the rest of the junk you wrote.

Can I link it?Just look around...read the threads here...read the numerous articles stating the same thing...listen to nearly any talk radio.

You can keep asking...but most around here and on the radio and in articles have mirrored my thought.

Do you feel Favre deserved to be in? Quit bringing up the vote and tell me...do you believe he deserved to be in?

Lets see looking around.......see nothing.....oh wait pro-bowl voters voted him in. Threads here yeah right.

Once again with your numbers...most around here. What do you consider most 90% or higher. So I'll assume you live in Wisconsin. So you have talked to most of the 5,000,000 or so people that live in the state and they agree with you. I could assume wrong and you mean the US. Your one busy man.

Weren't you the one knocking "The fan" who happened to have a radio show earlier. Now you want me to listen to him? Truth fully I've heard both sides on our radio and no serious ragging on the decision of the "VOTERS".

Why are you trying to steer the discussion away from your fabricated statement? Why would I stop bringing up the Vote when it shows that most do not agree with you. If they did he would not have been voted into the Pro-bowl right? Show me another large sampling that proves otherwise.

I fabricated nothing...you are simply living with your head in the sand about this one.Again...do you think he deserved to be in...quit all the whining about links...and answer the simple question.

Many others on this site can answer that...why can't you?

So you have no backing information. Just say that versus all the other stuff.Why do you keep steering the direction away from what you stated?

You stated "a vote that most people feel was complete crap given how he has played recently.". I simply asked for proof because pro-bowl voting disagrees with your statement.

What I think is irrelevant to your statement. I'll wake for you to prove it is correct.

 

[zDragon]

So instead of beginning with an insult you end with one nice. Lets see Rodgers makes a mistake but to you it doesn't matter because lee might not have caught it anyway. See how you continue to move any type of blame from Rodgers. RODGERS failed inside the red zone as the coach states. You try to marginalize it.

If you think those were insults...you need to grow a thicker skin.I never claimed it does not matter to me...I stated it was bad.I stated the offense needed to do more.Unlike you, I have placed the blame on the entire team....even including Rodgers. But you don't want to see that...you just want to bash...you just want to make excuses for other aspects of the game and put it nearly all on Rodgers.You have been doing so from your first posts on this topic.You think adding the one line to the end of your posts before made it all better. But out of the two of us...only one has been able to spread blame around...and it is not you.

Yep. There you go again. Can't help put throw the negative comment in or insult.I've always placed blame on the team just debunked the ones who tried to make Rodgers look better than he is.

 

[zDragon]

That is the correct reaction to that post.

Not even close. Do you really think the reporters are going to use names of exectuives when they make those reports or make up things like that? I provide links and yet the Favre haters still try to diminish it. Give me break. You are fooling yourself if you think those reports are not true.

I meant your eyeroll was correct. I found it humorous that people were asking for links but what they REALLY want are the names...which for the very reason you listed would be impossible to get. We've ALL read those reports of NFL insiders bashing the handling in the offseason, but I guess some people have conveniently forgotten how ridiculous the whole saga was, what with the bribing and everything. I was simply posting before all the other hangers-on could deny those reports the same as they attempted to deny Favre's return as a rumor as well. It's the predictable response from posters who would dare to question your assertation in the first place. These requests for links to common knowledge gets pretty annoying, especially when the people who are requesting the links are telegraphing their denial way ahead of time.

Other than Scotty being completely incorrect.I did not want names...I wanted any bit of substance to support Stinger's point. He failed in that big time.We read a few reports of insiders saying they mishandled it (but that is not what was stated by Stinger).The Bribing is the dumbest one out there given when it was first brought up was before the guy even retired."they" attempted to deny Favre's return. No, Scotty is referring to me. Because Favre himself claimed it was a rumor when it first came out. At the time...its all it was. Reports that he might want to return...which he himself denied.I claimed it was a rumor (factually I might add) and wanted confirmation. When the confirmation came, people went nuts on the rumor comment. This is the predictable type reply from Scotty though.And no, it is not common knowledge that the Packers organization lost alot of respect around the league.If it was so common...someone would be able to post a single link saying so.Instead...we get one quote from an NFL exec talking about how they mishandled it...2 writer's opinion...and a guy talking about a veteran backup QB.Yet the usual suspects do their usual. simply because it was a response to one of my posts.

I guess you will dismiss the rant that Terry Bradshaw had on the FOX pregame show about Thompson and the mistake they made by running Favre out of Green Bay.

Link? More info?If true I'm sure it's written off as Bradshaw is stupid or some such.

 

[Neil Beaufort Zod]

Assuming Rodgers would struggle a bit in his first year, I'd say it's good they got it out of the way this season. If they hadn't, they would have gotten a mediocre Favre AND had to deal with Rodgers' growing pains next year. Seems to me that they saved a year by doing so.

Plus, if Favre gets the Jets to the playoffs, even if they're one-and-done...he's a hero to them. Kind of a win-win.