How's the Packer decision to go with Rodgers looking now? (1 Viewer)

[deep vacuum]

One thing I didn't see in this thread is something I heard listening to one of the games a few weeks ago. When Favre was QB the Packers felt they had to max protect him all the time hence all the short drops by Favre and very high YAC by the receivers. With Rodgers at QB the Packers feel more willing to try things they wouldn't feel comfortable letting Favre do. I think the announcers said the reason had to do with Rodgers being a more mobile QB and thus the Packers were willing to take more risks down field with Rodgers at QB. I think it's going to take some time for the offense and Rodgers to find their comfort zone.

Some announcers may have said this, but I call on the bolded parts. This completely contradicts what I have seen on the field over the years, so I looked it up.In his last 5 seasons for the Packers, 12.6% of Favre's passing attempts went 21+ yards in the air. I expect that either led the league or was very close to doing so.

Just looking at last year, Favre attempted 50 passes that went 21+ yards in the air - 3.1 per game and 9.3% of his attempts. So far this year, Rodgers has attempted 12 such passes in 5 games - 2.4 per game and 7.4% of his attempts. So the Packers are not "taking more risks down field" with Rodgers.

As for measuring "max protect," I'm not as certain which splits apply. But on 454 of Favre's 535 attempts last year (85%), there was either no TE or 1 TE. So they weren't max protecting him with multiple TEs. 400 of his attempts last season (75%) were with 3-4 WRs. 338 of his attempts last season (63%) were from the shotgun. I'm not sure if any of these definitively measure how often they used max protect for Favre, but none of them are strong indicators.

And just as importantly, Favre has been the most durable QB in history, whereas Rodgers has more of a reputation of being injury prone, deserved or not. It is not intuitive that the Packers would have felt compelled to protect Favre more than Rodgers.

I want to say I heard this 1-2 weeks ago from the network tv announcers who were covering the game. I'm not sure of the context that they were refering to but I'm positive that they mentioned that the Packers coaches felt that they could do more Rodgers than with Favre because of Rodgers mobility and having to protect Favre more. Possibly they were refering to the # of steps per drop back, ie; a 2 step drop vs. a 5 step drop. Favre is nowhere near as mobile a QB as Rodgers is but his pocket awaresness is much better right now than Rodgers due to experience. It also wouldn't surprise me at all to find out that many of Favres longer pass attempts/completions were either audibles or playground type plays that he made up as he scanned the field. Favre audibles so much that many of his completions were not the called offensive play.

 

[renesauz]

I don't understand why this is still such a heated topic.

What adds to my confusion even more is the fact that no reasonable person could lay blame for the Packer's record at the feet of Rodgers. Favre has better pocket awareness, sure enough. 18 years starting vs. what, 6 games? I bet Bart Starr would have better pocket awareness then Rodgers also...maybe we chould bring him out of retirement also?

Rodgers has played very, very well, and has handled the absurd amount of pressure on him better then most would. He's made mostly smart decisions with the ball and is NOT the reason for the losses.

 

[smackdaddies]

My first contribution to this post that has some good postings and a whole bunch of bickering and other crap. As a Packer fan I am more than pleased at the transition of the QB position from favre to Rodgers. Favre was awesome and I really did not understand why they did not allow him to come back and assume the starting job but Rodgers to this point has exceeded my expectations. The decision to go with Rodgers looks to be an OK decision at this point.It seems the biggest problem the Packers are having right now are on defense. Some of this is understandable with the loss of Jenkins, Hawk being banged up, Harris out and Bigby being out. They have lost quite a few key components and hopefully they can get things together soon.

exactly

 

[sho nuff]

I don't understand why this is still such a heated topic.What adds to my confusion even more is the fact that no reasonable person could lay blame for the Packer's record at the feet of Rodgers. Favre has better pocket awareness, sure enough. 18 years starting vs. what, 6 games? I bet Bart Starr would have better pocket awareness then Rodgers also...maybe we chould bring him out of retirement also?Rodgers has played very, very well, and has handled the absurd amount of pressure on him better then most would. He's made mostly smart decisions with the ball and is NOT the reason for the losses.

Because some people would rather snipe at others who have said just the same things as you.You will be called a blind TT loving homer and so on.

 

[Aaronstory]

It seems the biggest problem the Packers are having right now are on defense. Some of this is understandable with the loss of Jenkins, Hawk being banged up, Harris out and Bigby being out. They have lost quite a few key components and hopefully they can get things together soon.

This is very true, but there is enough talent remaining (Woodson, Kampman, Pickett, Collins etc) that a competent defensive coordinator could put together a defense that could at least compete. But the Packers don't have a competent defensive coordinator. They have a defensive line coach who got lucky and that was in the right place at the right time.

 

[Bl Deep]

i don't think anyone can make a semblance of an argument that the Pack wouldn't be better this year with Favre. Team could have been good enough to win the division and make a playoff run.... But that was sacrificed to appease making poor Aaron-boy sad...

He might have cried because he wouldn't start... And that would be sad, TT doesn't like Sad.... TT liikes happy.

Falcons>GB

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAAHAHHAHAHAHAAHAHHAHAAHHAAHA

Enjoy.

 

[Bl Deep]

I don't understand why this is still such a heated topic.What adds to my confusion even more is the fact that no reasonable person could lay blame for the Packer's record at the feet of Rodgers. Favre has better pocket awareness, sure enough. 18 years starting vs. what, 6 games? I bet Bart Starr would have better pocket awareness then Rodgers also...maybe we chould bring him out of retirement also?Rodgers has played very, very well, and has handled the absurd amount of pressure on him better then most would. He's made mostly smart decisions with the ball and is NOT the reason for the losses.

Ummmm, your statement twists the truth....Rodgers starting is the REASON that Brett isn't starting, and Brett not starting means the team is worse, and quite possible (probably certainly) lost games they would have won...So in a vacuum, your statement holds true, Rodgers isn't the only one to blame for the losses, but the fact that he is there lends means the team is worse, so who gets the blame?

 

[Tau837]

One thing I didn't see in this thread is something I heard listening to one of the games a few weeks ago. When Favre was QB the Packers felt they had to max protect him all the time hence all the short drops by Favre and very high YAC by the receivers. With Rodgers at QB the Packers feel more willing to try things they wouldn't feel comfortable letting Favre do. I think the announcers said the reason had to do with Rodgers being a more mobile QB and thus the Packers were willing to take more risks down field with Rodgers at QB. I think it's going to take some time for the offense and Rodgers to find their comfort zone.

Some announcers may have said this, but I call on the bolded parts. This completely contradicts what I have seen on the field over the years, so I looked it up.In his last 5 seasons for the Packers, 12.6% of Favre's passing attempts went 21+ yards in the air. I expect that either led the league or was very close to doing so.

Just looking at last year, Favre attempted 50 passes that went 21+ yards in the air - 3.1 per game and 9.3% of his attempts. So far this year, Rodgers has attempted 12 such passes in 5 games - 2.4 per game and 7.4% of his attempts. So the Packers are not "taking more risks down field" with Rodgers.

As for measuring "max protect," I'm not as certain which splits apply. But on 454 of Favre's 535 attempts last year (85%), there was either no TE or 1 TE. So they weren't max protecting him with multiple TEs. 400 of his attempts last season (75%) were with 3-4 WRs. 338 of his attempts last season (63%) were from the shotgun. I'm not sure if any of these definitively measure how often they used max protect for Favre, but none of them are strong indicators.

And just as importantly, Favre has been the most durable QB in history, whereas Rodgers has more of a reputation of being injury prone, deserved or not. It is not intuitive that the Packers would have felt compelled to protect Favre more than Rodgers.

I want to say I heard this 1-2 weeks ago from the network tv announcers who were covering the game. I'm not sure of the context that they were refering to but I'm positive that they mentioned that the Packers coaches felt that they could do more Rodgers than with Favre because of Rodgers mobility and having to protect Favre more. Possibly they were refering to the # of steps per drop back, ie; a 2 step drop vs. a 5 step drop. Favre is nowhere near as mobile a QB as Rodgers is but his pocket awaresness is much better right now than Rodgers due to experience. It also wouldn't surprise me at all to find out that many of Favres longer pass attempts/completions were either audibles or playground type plays that he made up as he scanned the field. Favre audibles so much that many of his completions were not the called offensive play.

Audibles or not, Favre went downfield as much or more than any QB in football, and was very good at it. It sounds absurd to me to think that the Packers' coaches didn't know that going downfield was a strength for Favre, and thus called all YAC-oriented throws and forced Favre to audible into the longer throws... that just makes the Packers coaching staff sound stupid IMO. And I don't think that is the case. I think they understood that downfield throws were a strength for Favre and called plays accordingly.

Either there was some other context for their statement, or those announcers didn't know what they were talking about IMO.

 

[renesauz]

I don't understand why this is still such a heated topic.What adds to my confusion even more is the fact that no reasonable person could lay blame for the Packer's record at the feet of Rodgers. Favre has better pocket awareness, sure enough. 18 years starting vs. what, 6 games? I bet Bart Starr would have better pocket awareness then Rodgers also...maybe we chould bring him out of retirement also?Rodgers has played very, very well, and has handled the absurd amount of pressure on him better then most would. He's made mostly smart decisions with the ball and is NOT the reason for the losses.

Ummmm, your statement twists the truth....Rodgers starting is the REASON that Brett isn't starting, and Brett not starting means the team is worse, and quite possible (probably certainly) lost games they would have won...So in a vacuum, your statement holds true, Rodgers isn't the only one to blame for the losses, but the fact that he is there lends means the team is worse, so who gets the blame?

I twisted nothing. Rodgers has played well...period. It's bordering on assinine to assume that ANY QB, even a HOF QB, could take over for a QB who's played at a pro-bowl caliber level, and somehow eek another win or two out of it.And that's the gist of it. Has Favre played better then Rodgers this year? Not really. His stats are marginally better, but they're skewed a bit by a fluky 6 TD day. We may never settle the debate about whether letting Favre go was the right move, but I do know this. With Favre under center, the Pack would most likely have the same record they do now.

 

[FavreCo]

 

[jurrassic]

I don't understand why this is still such a heated topic.What adds to my confusion even more is the fact that no reasonable person could lay blame for the Packer's record at the feet of Rodgers. Favre has better pocket awareness, sure enough. 18 years starting vs. what, 6 games? I bet Bart Starr would have better pocket awareness then Rodgers also...maybe we chould bring him out of retirement also?Rodgers has played very, very well, and has handled the absurd amount of pressure on him better then most would. He's made mostly smart decisions with the ball and is NOT the reason for the losses.

Couldn't agree more. If you actually watch the Packers play game in and game out, Rodgers is one of the reason they have won 2 games and in were in the other 3. 3 things are holding this team back.1.) The Offensive line. This group has not performed well all season. There were injuries and line shuffling at the beginning of the year, but in the last 3 games they have allowed 10 sacks and probably close to 20 pressures. In an offense that relies on timing, this is not helping2.) Lack of a consistent running game. Once again, the offensive line plays a big part in this, but Grant's training camp hold out and injury have thrown off his timing and conditioning. I know some people love Jackson, but I don't think he is anything more than a #2 back3.) The Defense. The Packers initial plan was to rely on its defense as the strength of the team. They are currently ranked in the mid-20's in the league, and can't get off the field on 3rd downs. They had virtually no pass rush on Sunday and the injuries are starting to mount. They gave up 27 points to Atlanta at homeIn addition to the defensive injuries, overall injuries and lack of experience (overall team youth) are all starting to show. In the 3rd quarter yesterday Crosby hit a 43 yard field goal that was called back due to a penalty on Jermichael Finley. The kick was re-attempted 53 yards out and missed. Finley was only in on the unit based on injuries to other players. The Packers ended up losing by 3 points. Rodgers ranks at the qb position in the NFL are:6th in passing6th in td's10th in qb rating 10th in att/game15th in completion percentage

 

[puckalicious]

i don't think anyone can make a semblance of an argument that the Pack wouldn't be better this year with Favre. Team could have been good enough to win the division and make a playoff run.... But that was sacrificed to appease making poor Aaron-boy sad...He might have cried because he wouldn't start... And that would be sad, TT doesn't like Sad.... TT liikes happy. Falcons>GBHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAAHAHHAHAHAHAAHAHHAHAAHHAAHAEnjoy.

Wow. All I can say is just wow. I had no idea Favre could have prevented the injuries on defense. I know he's God and all, but seriously. You'd think Favre never lost a game, or wasn't the starting QB in 2006.

 

[Bl Deep]

I don't understand why this is still such a heated topic.

What adds to my confusion even more is the fact that no reasonable person could lay blame for the Packer's record at the feet of Rodgers. Favre has better pocket awareness, sure enough. 18 years starting vs. what, 6 games? I bet Bart Starr would have better pocket awareness then Rodgers also...maybe we chould bring him out of retirement also?

Rodgers has played very, very well, and has handled the absurd amount of pressure on him better then most would. He's made mostly smart decisions with the ball and is NOT the reason for the losses.

Ummmm, your statement twists the truth....Rodgers starting is the REASON that Brett isn't starting, and Brett not starting means the team is worse, and quite possible (probably certainly) lost games they would have won...

So in a vacuum, your statement holds true, Rodgers isn't the only one to blame for the losses, but the fact that he is there lends means the team is worse, so who gets the blame?

I twisted nothing. Rodgers has played well...period. It's bordering on assinine to assume that ANY QB, even a HOF QB, could take over for a QB who's played at a pro-bowl caliber level, and somehow eek another win or two out of it.And that's the gist of it. Has Favre played better then Rodgers this year? Not really. His stats are marginally better, but they're skewed a bit by a fluky 6 TD day.

We may never settle the debate about whether letting Favre go was the right move, but I do know this.With Favre under center, the Pack would most likely have the same record they do now.

So what you are saying is that you don't know.... Gotcha.... If the pack had the opportunity to make the switch right now with no reprocussions, they would do it.

 

[Bl Deep]

i don't think anyone can make a semblance of an argument that the Pack wouldn't be better this year with Favre. Team could have been good enough to win the division and make a playoff run.... But that was sacrificed to appease making poor Aaron-boy sad...He might have cried because he wouldn't start... And that would be sad, TT doesn't like Sad.... TT liikes happy. Falcons>GBHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAAHAHHAHAHAHAAHAHHAHAAHHAAHAEnjoy.

Wow. All I can say is just wow. I had no idea Favre could have prevented the injuries on defense. I know he's God and all, but seriously. You'd think Favre never lost a game, or wasn't the starting QB in 2006.

He is good enough to make the Jets very dangerous, having had FAR less time with the playbook than Rodgers has had in GB.... Jets would roll over the pack right now.

 

[sho nuff]

I don't understand why this is still such a heated topic.What adds to my confusion even more is the fact that no reasonable person could lay blame for the Packer's record at the feet of Rodgers. Favre has better pocket awareness, sure enough. 18 years starting vs. what, 6 games? I bet Bart Starr would have better pocket awareness then Rodgers also...maybe we chould bring him out of retirement also?Rodgers has played very, very well, and has handled the absurd amount of pressure on him better then most would. He's made mostly smart decisions with the ball and is NOT the reason for the losses.

Ummmm, your statement twists the truth....Rodgers starting is the REASON that Brett isn't starting, and Brett not starting means the team is worse, and quite possible (probably certainly) lost games they would have won...So in a vacuum, your statement holds true, Rodgers isn't the only one to blame for the losses, but the fact that he is there lends means the team is worse, so who gets the blame?

wow...just wow

 

[Chachi]

The only thing that matters here is Favre is better than Rodgers right now. The Packers kicked Favre to the curb out of pettiness on Ted Thompsons part. The Packers are 2-3 right now, Aaron Rodgers threw a horrible pick yesterday at the wrong time and they lost at home to the lowly Falcons. Favre has more TDS, A better record on a worse team. The Packers would have won yesterday with Favre, they were 13-3 last year and are now 2-3 with Rodgers this year, Rodgers is extremely injury prone and they have garbage backing him up. Ted Thompson put his ego ahead of his team, "Nuff said".

Why do you think they would have won yesterday with Favre?Why do some of you think that the all time INT leader in the NFL would not have thrown a pick late as well?

All pettiness on TT's part?

So extremely injury prone that he still played yesterday?

Or Favre also put his ego ahead of the team and clashed with the GM's ego. But some of you just won't ever admit that.

I've heard your opinion enough. Are you Ted Thompson?You hate Favre's guts and absolutly want to marry Aaron Rodgers.

We all get it dude, give it up already.

You're not a real Packers fan, you don't even WATCH the games, you realize listening to you talk about the games makes me ill.

You've admitted you don't live anywhere near here.

You've admitted you listen to the games on the radio.

I don't think you're qualified to speak on the packers behalf, all day, every day as if you know more than everyone else.

You'll probaly say, I'm spinning it. Seems you're the one spinning it since you don't even watch the gosh darn games.

We don't need your spin on every single post, we don't need rubuttals for every single post. Stop it already.

Can you spin and lie anymore?I hate Favre's guts? Lie

Want to marry Aaron Rodgers? Now that just sounds like an attempted slam...but a lie.

Im not a real Packers fan? hah!!!!!!!

I actually watch most of the games there chief...so another lie by you.

Yes, I don't live near there, I grew up there, have a ton of family and friends that do, listen to local sports talk from up there on the web, watch most every game and listen to the radio feed when I cannot watch.

I say you are spinning when you make outrageous claims.

What spin have I done?

Where do you think may analysis of the games has been wrong?

Perhaps you should focus on actually responding to the content of my post rather than you opinion of me and quit trying to make it personal.

Where are you watching most games there sporto? I'd like to know how you watch "most" games? Sunday ticket you can watch all games, computer you could watch all games.

You could watch all, my guess is you watch what's on national TV, like 2 games a year.

That would make you highly unqualified to have such strong opinions.

Spin it for me.

 

[sho nuff]

The only thing that matters here is Favre is better than Rodgers right now. The Packers kicked Favre to the curb out of pettiness on Ted Thompsons part. The Packers are 2-3 right now, Aaron Rodgers threw a horrible pick yesterday at the wrong time and they lost at home to the lowly Falcons. Favre has more TDS, A better record on a worse team. The Packers would have won yesterday with Favre, they were 13-3 last year and are now 2-3 with Rodgers this year, Rodgers is extremely injury prone and they have garbage backing him up. Ted Thompson put his ego ahead of his team, "Nuff said".

Why do you think they would have won yesterday with Favre?Why do some of you think that the all time INT leader in the NFL would not have thrown a pick late as well?

All pettiness on TT's part?

So extremely injury prone that he still played yesterday?

Or Favre also put his ego ahead of the team and clashed with the GM's ego. But some of you just won't ever admit that.

I've heard your opinion enough. Are you Ted Thompson?You hate Favre's guts and absolutly want to marry Aaron Rodgers.

We all get it dude, give it up already.

You're not a real Packers fan, you don't even WATCH the games, you realize listening to you talk about the games makes me ill.

You've admitted you don't live anywhere near here.

You've admitted you listen to the games on the radio.

I don't think you're qualified to speak on the packers behalf, all day, every day as if you know more than everyone else.

You'll probaly say, I'm spinning it. Seems you're the one spinning it since you don't even watch the gosh darn games.

We don't need your spin on every single post, we don't need rubuttals for every single post. Stop it already.

Can you spin and lie anymore?I hate Favre's guts? Lie

Want to marry Aaron Rodgers? Now that just sounds like an attempted slam...but a lie.

Im not a real Packers fan? hah!!!!!!!

I actually watch most of the games there chief...so another lie by you.

Yes, I don't live near there, I grew up there, have a ton of family and friends that do, listen to local sports talk from up there on the web, watch most every game and listen to the radio feed when I cannot watch.

I say you are spinning when you make outrageous claims.

What spin have I done?

Where do you think may analysis of the games has been wrong?

Perhaps you should focus on actually responding to the content of my post rather than you opinion of me and quit trying to make it personal.

Where are you watching most games there sporto? I'd like to know how you watch "most" games? Sunday ticket you can watch all games, computer you could watch all games.

You could watch all, my guess is you watch what's on national TV, like 2 games a year.

That would make you highly unqualified to have such strong opinions.

Spin it for me.

Sunday ticket some days...and they have these things called sports bars...maybe you have heard of those.some teams as popular as the Packers even have their own fan clubs in numerous towns.

Its evident the only unqualified one here is you trying to assume you know if I do or don't watch the games or how I do it.

Its also evident you are incapable of acting in a civilized manner and only want to get personal with me rather that rationally discussing any topic. Is there a reason for that?

 

[Chachi]

The only thing that matters here is Favre is better than Rodgers right now. The Packers kicked Favre to the curb out of pettiness on Ted Thompsons part. The Packers are 2-3 right now, Aaron Rodgers threw a horrible pick yesterday at the wrong time and they lost at home to the lowly Falcons. Favre has more TDS, A better record on a worse team. The Packers would have won yesterday with Favre, they were 13-3 last year and are now 2-3 with Rodgers this year, Rodgers is extremely injury prone and they have garbage backing him up. Ted Thompson put his ego ahead of his team, "Nuff said".

Why do you think they would have won yesterday with Favre?Why do some of you think that the all time INT leader in the NFL would not have thrown a pick late as well?

All pettiness on TT's part?

So extremely injury prone that he still played yesterday?

Or Favre also put his ego ahead of the team and clashed with the GM's ego. But some of you just won't ever admit that.

I've heard your opinion enough. Are you Ted Thompson?You hate Favre's guts and absolutly want to marry Aaron Rodgers.

We all get it dude, give it up already.

You're not a real Packers fan, you don't even WATCH the games, you realize listening to you talk about the games makes me ill.

You've admitted you don't live anywhere near here.

You've admitted you listen to the games on the radio.

I don't think you're qualified to speak on the packers behalf, all day, every day as if you know more than everyone else.

You'll probaly say, I'm spinning it. Seems you're the one spinning it since you don't even watch the gosh darn games.

We don't need your spin on every single post, we don't need rubuttals for every single post. Stop it already.

Can you spin and lie anymore?I hate Favre's guts? Lie

Want to marry Aaron Rodgers? Now that just sounds like an attempted slam...but a lie.

Im not a real Packers fan? hah!!!!!!!

I actually watch most of the games there chief...so another lie by you.

Yes, I don't live near there, I grew up there, have a ton of family and friends that do, listen to local sports talk from up there on the web, watch most every game and listen to the radio feed when I cannot watch.

I say you are spinning when you make outrageous claims.

What spin have I done?

Where do you think may analysis of the games has been wrong?

Perhaps you should focus on actually responding to the content of my post rather than you opinion of me and quit trying to make it personal.

Where are you watching most games there sporto? I'd like to know how you watch "most" games? Sunday ticket you can watch all games, computer you could watch all games.

You could watch all, my guess is you watch what's on national TV, like 2 games a year.

That would make you highly unqualified to have such strong opinions.

Spin it for me.

Sunday ticket some days...and they have these things called sports bars...maybe you have heard of those.some teams as popular as the Packers even have their own fan clubs in numerous towns.

Its evident the only unqualified one here is you trying to assume you know if I do or don't watch the games or how I do it.

Its also evident you are incapable of acting in a civilized manner and only want to get personal with me rather that rationally discussing any topic. Is there a reason for that?

So you have Sunday Ticket but instead sometimes listen on Internet radio. I call

 

[sho nuff]

The only thing that matters here is Favre is better than Rodgers right now. The Packers kicked Favre to the curb out of pettiness on Ted Thompsons part. The Packers are 2-3 right now, Aaron Rodgers threw a horrible pick yesterday at the wrong time and they lost at home to the lowly Falcons. Favre has more TDS, A better record on a worse team. The Packers would have won yesterday with Favre, they were 13-3 last year and are now 2-3 with Rodgers this year, Rodgers is extremely injury prone and they have garbage backing him up. Ted Thompson put his ego ahead of his team, "Nuff said".

Why do you think they would have won yesterday with Favre?Why do some of you think that the all time INT leader in the NFL would not have thrown a pick late as well?

All pettiness on TT's part?

So extremely injury prone that he still played yesterday?

Or Favre also put his ego ahead of the team and clashed with the GM's ego. But some of you just won't ever admit that.

I've heard your opinion enough. Are you Ted Thompson?You hate Favre's guts and absolutly want to marry Aaron Rodgers.

We all get it dude, give it up already.

You're not a real Packers fan, you don't even WATCH the games, you realize listening to you talk about the games makes me ill.

You've admitted you don't live anywhere near here.

You've admitted you listen to the games on the radio.

I don't think you're qualified to speak on the packers behalf, all day, every day as if you know more than everyone else.

You'll probaly say, I'm spinning it. Seems you're the one spinning it since you don't even watch the gosh darn games.

We don't need your spin on every single post, we don't need rubuttals for every single post. Stop it already.

Can you spin and lie anymore?I hate Favre's guts? Lie

Want to marry Aaron Rodgers? Now that just sounds like an attempted slam...but a lie.

Im not a real Packers fan? hah!!!!!!!

I actually watch most of the games there chief...so another lie by you.

Yes, I don't live near there, I grew up there, have a ton of family and friends that do, listen to local sports talk from up there on the web, watch most every game and listen to the radio feed when I cannot watch.

I say you are spinning when you make outrageous claims.

What spin have I done?

Where do you think may analysis of the games has been wrong?

Perhaps you should focus on actually responding to the content of my post rather than you opinion of me and quit trying to make it personal.

Where are you watching most games there sporto? I'd like to know how you watch "most" games? Sunday ticket you can watch all games, computer you could watch all games.

You could watch all, my guess is you watch what's on national TV, like 2 games a year.

That would make you highly unqualified to have such strong opinions.

Spin it for me.

Sunday ticket some days...and they have these things called sports bars...maybe you have heard of those.some teams as popular as the Packers even have their own fan clubs in numerous towns.

Its evident the only unqualified one here is you trying to assume you know if I do or don't watch the games or how I do it.

Its also evident you are incapable of acting in a civilized manner and only want to get personal with me rather that rationally discussing any topic. Is there a reason for that?

So you have Sunday Ticket but instead sometimes listen on Internet radio. I call

Not on internet radio...never claimed it was on internet radio.Its on my phone...spring nfl mobile. I get the GB audio which I prefer.

If I am watching the Titans at home I also listen to Mike Keith rather than the crapass crews tv generally gives.

But keep calling BS.

 

[Broadway Joe]

GB sucks this year first and foremost.

I think Farve wanted out of GB because he new last year was an over achievment. I dont blame the GB front office other than org publically handled it like village idiots (IMO)

GB would have been better with Farve this year but looks like 9-7 was their ceiling with him. Running game would help

Rogers has a small bit of Ryan Leaf in him but he has taken the ball each week. I think he will end up being regarding as somewhat of a fragile QB after it all said done.

 

[twistd]

I don't understand why this is still such a heated topic.What adds to my confusion even more is the fact that no reasonable person could lay blame for the Packer's record at the feet of Rodgers. Favre has better pocket awareness, sure enough. 18 years starting vs. what, 6 games? I bet Bart Starr would have better pocket awareness then Rodgers also...maybe we chould bring him out of retirement also?Rodgers has played very, very well, and has handled the absurd amount of pressure on him better then most would. He's made mostly smart decisions with the ball and is NOT the reason for the losses.

Bottom line, if the Packers are mediocre, and it looks like that may be the case, Rodgers gets a chunk of the blame. It may not be fair, but that will be the case in Packerland. The worrisome thing is that Rodgers has demonstrated a propensity to get injured. This season has done nothing to dispel that. Packer fans have to be concerned about that.

 

[jurrassic]

I don't understand why this is still such a heated topic.What adds to my confusion even more is the fact that no reasonable person could lay blame for the Packer's record at the feet of Rodgers. Favre has better pocket awareness, sure enough. 18 years starting vs. what, 6 games? I bet Bart Starr would have better pocket awareness then Rodgers also...maybe we chould bring him out of retirement also?Rodgers has played very, very well, and has handled the absurd amount of pressure on him better then most would. He's made mostly smart decisions with the ball and is NOT the reason for the losses.

Bottom line, if the Packers are mediocre, and it looks like that may be the case, Rodgers gets a chunk of the blame. It may not be fair, but that will be the case in Packerland. The worrisome thing is that Rodgers has demonstrated a propensity to get injured. This season has done nothing to dispel that. Packer fans have to be concerned about that.

I am in Packerland, and right now I don't put any of blame on him. Either does the media. He has shown a propensity to injured, I agree with that. They arent' really terrible injuries, the guy just gets nicked up. He may not be the most limber guy. He tends to get alot of sprains and pulls. Favre always just fell the right way.

 

[Aaronstory]

The only thing that matters here is Favre is better than Rodgers right now. The Packers kicked Favre to the curb out of pettiness on Ted Thompsons part. The Packers are 2-3 right now, Aaron Rodgers threw a horrible pick yesterday at the wrong time and they lost at home to the lowly Falcons. Favre has more TDS, A better record on a worse team. The Packers would have won yesterday with Favre, they were 13-3 last year and are now 2-3 with Rodgers this year, Rodgers is extremely injury prone and they have garbage backing him up. Ted Thompson put his ego ahead of his team, "Nuff said".

Why do you think they would have won yesterday with Favre?Why do some of you think that the all time INT leader in the NFL would not have thrown a pick late as well?

All pettiness on TT's part?

So extremely injury prone that he still played yesterday?

Or Favre also put his ego ahead of the team and clashed with the GM's ego. But some of you just won't ever admit that.

I've heard your opinion enough. Are you Ted Thompson?You hate Favre's guts and absolutly want to marry Aaron Rodgers.

We all get it dude, give it up already.

You're not a real Packers fan, you don't even WATCH the games, you realize listening to you talk about the games makes me ill.

You've admitted you don't live anywhere near here.

You've admitted you listen to the games on the radio.

I don't think you're qualified to speak on the packers behalf, all day, every day as if you know more than everyone else.

You'll probaly say, I'm spinning it. Seems you're the one spinning it since you don't even watch the gosh darn games.

We don't need your spin on every single post, we don't need rubuttals for every single post. Stop it already.

Can you spin and lie anymore?I hate Favre's guts? Lie

Want to marry Aaron Rodgers? Now that just sounds like an attempted slam...but a lie.

Im not a real Packers fan? hah!!!!!!!

I actually watch most of the games there chief...so another lie by you.

Yes, I don't live near there, I grew up there, have a ton of family and friends that do, listen to local sports talk from up there on the web, watch most every game and listen to the radio feed when I cannot watch.

I say you are spinning when you make outrageous claims.

What spin have I done?

Where do you think may analysis of the games has been wrong?

Perhaps you should focus on actually responding to the content of my post rather than you opinion of me and quit trying to make it personal.

Where are you watching most games there sporto? I'd like to know how you watch "most" games? Sunday ticket you can watch all games, computer you could watch all games.

You could watch all, my guess is you watch what's on national TV, like 2 games a year.

That would make you highly unqualified to have such strong opinions.

Spin it for me.

Sunday ticket some days...and they have these things called sports bars...maybe you have heard of those.some teams as popular as the Packers even have their own fan clubs in numerous towns.

Its evident the only unqualified one here is you trying to assume you know if I do or don't watch the games or how I do it.

Its also evident you are incapable of acting in a civilized manner and only want to get personal with me rather that rationally discussing any topic. Is there a reason for that?

So you have Sunday Ticket but instead sometimes listen on Internet radio. I call

Um, I do both every week. (TV commentators suck)

 

[Chachi]

The only thing that matters here is Favre is better than Rodgers right now. The Packers kicked Favre to the curb out of pettiness on Ted Thompsons part. The Packers are 2-3 right now, Aaron Rodgers threw a horrible pick yesterday at the wrong time and they lost at home to the lowly Falcons. Favre has more TDS, A better record on a worse team. The Packers would have won yesterday with Favre, they were 13-3 last year and are now 2-3 with Rodgers this year, Rodgers is extremely injury prone and they have garbage backing him up. Ted Thompson put his ego ahead of his team, "Nuff said".

Why do you think they would have won yesterday with Favre?Why do some of you think that the all time INT leader in the NFL would not have thrown a pick late as well?

All pettiness on TT's part?

So extremely injury prone that he still played yesterday?

Or Favre also put his ego ahead of the team and clashed with the GM's ego. But some of you just won't ever admit that.

I've heard your opinion enough. Are you Ted Thompson?You hate Favre's guts and absolutly want to marry Aaron Rodgers.

We all get it dude, give it up already.

You're not a real Packers fan, you don't even WATCH the games, you realize listening to you talk about the games makes me ill.

You've admitted you don't live anywhere near here.

You've admitted you listen to the games on the radio.

I don't think you're qualified to speak on the packers behalf, all day, every day as if you know more than everyone else.

You'll probaly say, I'm spinning it. Seems you're the one spinning it since you don't even watch the gosh darn games.

We don't need your spin on every single post, we don't need rubuttals for every single post. Stop it already.

Can you spin and lie anymore?I hate Favre's guts? Lie

Want to marry Aaron Rodgers? Now that just sounds like an attempted slam...but a lie.

Im not a real Packers fan? hah!!!!!!!

I actually watch most of the games there chief...so another lie by you.

Yes, I don't live near there, I grew up there, have a ton of family and friends that do, listen to local sports talk from up there on the web, watch most every game and listen to the radio feed when I cannot watch.

I say you are spinning when you make outrageous claims.

What spin have I done?

Where do you think may analysis of the games has been wrong?

Perhaps you should focus on actually responding to the content of my post rather than you opinion of me and quit trying to make it personal.

Where are you watching most games there sporto? I'd like to know how you watch "most" games? Sunday ticket you can watch all games, computer you could watch all games.

You could watch all, my guess is you watch what's on national TV, like 2 games a year.

That would make you highly unqualified to have such strong opinions.

Spin it for me.

Sunday ticket some days...and they have these things called sports bars...maybe you have heard of those.some teams as popular as the Packers even have their own fan clubs in numerous towns.

Its evident the only unqualified one here is you trying to assume you know if I do or don't watch the games or how I do it.

Its also evident you are incapable of acting in a civilized manner and only want to get personal with me rather that rationally discussing any topic. Is there a reason for that?

So you have Sunday Ticket but instead sometimes listen on Internet radio. I call

Um, I do both every week. (TV commentators suck)

I've done the same, what Sho Nuff is saying is that he doesn't actually watch the games, then proceeds to act like an expert, surely you don't do that!

 

[sho nuff]

GB sucks this year first and foremost. I think Farve wanted out of GB because he new last year was an over achievment. I dont blame the GB front office other than org publically handled it like village idiots (IMO)GB would have been better with Farve this year but looks like 9-7 was their ceiling with him. Running game would helpRogers has a small bit of Ryan Leaf in him but he has taken the ball each week. I think he will end up being regarding as somewhat of a fragile QB after it all said done.

Umm...Ryan Leaf?9-7 the ceiling with Favre?Wow...some odd statements.So fragile he played Sunday huh?

 

[sho nuff]

The only thing that matters here is Favre is better than Rodgers right now. The Packers kicked Favre to the curb out of pettiness on Ted Thompsons part. The Packers are 2-3 right now, Aaron Rodgers threw a horrible pick yesterday at the wrong time and they lost at home to the lowly Falcons. Favre has more TDS, A better record on a worse team. The Packers would have won yesterday with Favre, they were 13-3 last year and are now 2-3 with Rodgers this year, Rodgers is extremely injury prone and they have garbage backing him up. Ted Thompson put his ego ahead of his team, "Nuff said".

Why do you think they would have won yesterday with Favre?Why do some of you think that the all time INT leader in the NFL would not have thrown a pick late as well?

All pettiness on TT's part?

So extremely injury prone that he still played yesterday?

Or Favre also put his ego ahead of the team and clashed with the GM's ego. But some of you just won't ever admit that.

I've heard your opinion enough. Are you Ted Thompson?You hate Favre's guts and absolutly want to marry Aaron Rodgers.

We all get it dude, give it up already.

You're not a real Packers fan, you don't even WATCH the games, you realize listening to you talk about the games makes me ill.

You've admitted you don't live anywhere near here.

You've admitted you listen to the games on the radio.

I don't think you're qualified to speak on the packers behalf, all day, every day as if you know more than everyone else.

You'll probaly say, I'm spinning it. Seems you're the one spinning it since you don't even watch the gosh darn games.

We don't need your spin on every single post, we don't need rubuttals for every single post. Stop it already.

Can you spin and lie anymore?I hate Favre's guts? Lie

Want to marry Aaron Rodgers? Now that just sounds like an attempted slam...but a lie.

Im not a real Packers fan? hah!!!!!!!

I actually watch most of the games there chief...so another lie by you.

Yes, I don't live near there, I grew up there, have a ton of family and friends that do, listen to local sports talk from up there on the web, watch most every game and listen to the radio feed when I cannot watch.

I say you are spinning when you make outrageous claims.

What spin have I done?

Where do you think may analysis of the games has been wrong?

Perhaps you should focus on actually responding to the content of my post rather than you opinion of me and quit trying to make it personal.

Where are you watching most games there sporto? I'd like to know how you watch "most" games? Sunday ticket you can watch all games, computer you could watch all games.

You could watch all, my guess is you watch what's on national TV, like 2 games a year.

That would make you highly unqualified to have such strong opinions.

Spin it for me.

Sunday ticket some days...and they have these things called sports bars...maybe you have heard of those.some teams as popular as the Packers even have their own fan clubs in numerous towns.

Its evident the only unqualified one here is you trying to assume you know if I do or don't watch the games or how I do it.

Its also evident you are incapable of acting in a civilized manner and only want to get personal with me rather that rationally discussing any topic. Is there a reason for that?

So you have Sunday Ticket but instead sometimes listen on Internet radio. I call

Um, I do both every week. (TV commentators suck)

I've done the same, what Sho Nuff is saying is that he doesn't actually watch the games, then proceeds to act like an expert, surely you don't do that!

Where am I saying I don't actually watch the game.I have said, when I can't watch the games, I listen to them.

But never that I don't watch the game, I have missed one game this year.

You simply continue to lie and get personal rather than even try to discuss the topic or anything I have ACTUALLY said.

I think you just need to grow up.

 

[Ozymandias]

Rodgers is looking pretty good right now. He's only 40 passing yards behind the #2 spot (there are about 6 qb's with 40 yards of each other), tied for 3rd with 12 td's passing, 3-1 td's to int's ratio, 4th in qb rating with 98.8. He also has 3 rushing td's.

 

[sho nuff]

Rodgers is looking pretty good right now. He's only 40 passing yards behind the #2 spot (there are about 6 qb's with 40 yards of each other), tied for 3rd with 12 td's passing, 3-1 td's to int's ratio, 4th in qb rating with 98.8. He also has 3 rushing td's.

You must never watch games. LOL.I notice a few Ted Thompson's most critical posters on here are pretty quiet.Rodgers looking good, Grant getting better...Favre just so-so.

 

[GreenNGold]

Rodgers is looking pretty good right now. He's only 40 passing yards behind the #2 spot (there are about 6 qb's with 40 yards of each other), tied for 3rd with 12 td's passing, 3-1 td's to int's ratio, 4th in qb rating with 98.8. He also has 3 rushing td's.

You must never watch games. LOL.I notice a few Ted Thompson's most critical posters on here are pretty quiet.Rodgers looking good, Grant getting better...Favre just so-so.

I'll admit, Rodgers has been doing much better than I was expecting. I would still argue Favre is better than Rodgers, and it is hard to judge on a week by week basis, there is still a lot of football left. That being said, I wouldn't get too excited over the last couple weeks, the Packers are an average team this year, and they just beat 2 of the worst teams in the league over the last 2 weeks (Yes I am saying Indianapolis is one of the worst teams in the league... THIS YEAR). If Rodgers can stay healthy over his career I think he will definitely have an above-average career. But let's not annoint him yet, hopefully he doesn't follow the path of a Carson Palmer, etc...

 

[BigSteelThrill]

Rodgers is looking pretty good right now. He's only 40 passing yards behind the #2 spot (there are about 6 qb's with 40 yards of each other), tied for 3rd with 12 td's passing, 3-1 td's to int's ratio, 4th in qb rating with 98.8. He also has 3 rushing td's.

You must never watch games. LOL.I notice a few Ted Thompson's most critical posters on here are pretty quiet.

Rodgers looking good, Grant getting better...Favre just so-so.

I would still argue Favre is better than Rodgers,

dont think anyone really thought otherwise about just the 2 QBs - at the onset of the seaon. it still didnt make it a bad move. from a teams perspective.

and every single day and every single game... Rodgers closes the gap. and Favre gets even older.

 

[Phurfur]

Nice move by GB. They have their QB of the future and are the youngest team in the NFL. The future looks bright.

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

Rodgers has shown me alot. He has been above the fray when it comes to Favre. He has excellent command of a fairly complex offense. He is accurate and confident. He makes the big throw as well as all the little ones. He is tough, putting his team above his own pain.

This kid waited his turn, he endured ridicule for slipping in the draft, he was stoic as he was yearly critized in the press during preseason; I hope it all pays off for him.

 

[Man in the yellow hat]

Rodgers is looking pretty good right now. He's only 40 passing yards behind the #2 spot (there are about 6 qb's with 40 yards of each other), tied for 3rd with 12 td's passing, 3-1 td's to int's ratio, 4th in qb rating with 98.8. He also has 3 rushing td's.

You must never watch games. LOL.I notice a few Ted Thompson's most critical posters on here are pretty quiet.Rodgers looking good, Grant getting better...Favre just so-so.

I'll admit, Rodgers has been doing much better than I was expecting. I would still argue Favre is better than Rodgers, and it is hard to judge on a week by week basis, there is still a lot of football left. That being said, I wouldn't get too excited over the last couple weeks, the Packers are an average team this year, and they just beat 2 of the worst teams in the league over the last 2 weeks (Yes I am saying Indianapolis is one of the worst teams in the league... THIS YEAR). If Rodgers can stay healthy over his career I think he will definitely have an above-average career. But let's not annoint him yet, hopefully he doesn't follow the path of a Carson Palmer, etc...

Will the bar on this every remain in one place though? Those who didn't like the move will always point out the flaws. Last week, all we heard was that Seattle was terrible and that the game against the Colts would be a better test.Well, the team passed. Now we hear the Colts just suck and a better test is next game.What is the ultimate measure here? It seems to keep changing week to week.

 

[puckalicious]

Will the bar on this every remain in one place though? Those who didn't like the move will always point out the flaws. Last week, all we heard was that Seattle was terrible and that the game against the Colts would be a better test.Well, the team passed. Now we hear the Colts just suck and a better test is next game.What is the ultimate measure here? It seems to keep changing week to week.

Exactly. The detractors will continue to be so even in the face of facts to the contrary. There is a psychological reason for this, once the human brain forms an opinion and thinks it is "right" we continue to make up reasons to explain away the facts working against that opinion. And when directly challenged, some people react physically to the inability of their brain to change behavior. These people often refer to themselves as "conservatives".

 

[Ozymandias]

Will the bar on this every remain in one place though? Those who didn't like the move will always point out the flaws. Last week, all we heard was that Seattle was terrible and that the game against the Colts would be a better test.Well, the team passed. Now we hear the Colts just suck and a better test is next game.What is the ultimate measure here? It seems to keep changing week to week.

Exactly. The detractors will continue to be so even in the face of facts to the contrary. There is a psychological reason for this, once the human brain forms an opinion and thinks it is "right" we continue to make up reasons to explain away the facts working against that opinion. And when directly challenged, some people react physically to the inability of their brain to change behavior. These people often refer to themselves as "conservatives".

And others refer to them as "liberals".

 

[pigskinliquors]

Nice move by GB. They have their QB of the future and are the youngest team in the NFL. The future looks bright.

Unfortunately As a Bears fan, Rodgers at the helm pisses me off. With Favre, you knew he'd win them games, but over the last three years, he also was able to lose games for the Pack. Rodgers looks like the real-deal. IF he can stay healthy, it looks like the Pack again have a franchise QB :jealous:

 

[Phurfur]

Rodgers has shown me alot. He has been above the fray when it comes to Favre. He has excellent command of a fairly complex offense. He is accurate and confident. He makes the big throw as well as all the little ones. He is tough, putting his team above his own pain.This kid waited his turn, he endured ridicule for slipping in the draft, he was stoic as he was yearly critized in the press during preseason; I hope it all pays off for him.

That fact that he has spent every (3) off season in GB with the team says allot for him.

 

[Tau837]

I admit that I thought Green Bay should have brought Favre back, and Rodgers has been much better than I expected. I do think we need to see what his entire season performance looks like, and there is a ways to go to get there... but so far he has been very good, and it seems likely his full season performance will also look very good, even if he slides a bit from where he is right now.

 

[Ghost Rider]

Rodgers is looking pretty good right now. He's only 40 passing yards behind the #2 spot (there are about 6 qb's with 40 yards of each other), tied for 3rd with 12 td's passing, 3-1 td's to int's ratio, 4th in qb rating with 98.8. He also has 3 rushing td's.

You must never watch games. LOL.I notice a few Ted Thompson's most critical posters on here are pretty quiet.Rodgers looking good, Grant getting better...Favre just so-so.

Favre has played pretty well this year, not so-so. He is on pace to throw 33-34 TDs. That is awfully good. Plus, with him, through six games, the Jets already have 3/4 as many wins this year as they had last year, and you know Favre's presence has something to do with that. Now, Rodgers has played damn well, too, and I will give him props for toughing it out the last few weeks with that injured shoulder. The Packers have already lost as many games this year as they did last year, but that is not his fault. The defense hasn't been as good, and the running game is struggling. Ultimately, right now, the Favre to the Jets so Rodgers can start in GB deal looks like a win-win situation.

 

[scrumptrulescent]

Rodgers has shown me alot. He has been above the fray when it comes to Favre. He has excellent command of a fairly complex offense. He is accurate and confident. He makes the big throw as well as all the little ones. He is tough, putting his team above his own pain.This kid waited his turn, he endured ridicule for slipping in the draft, he was stoic as he was yearly critized in the press during preseason; I hope it all pays off for him.

He's easy to root for. Favre could probably take some lessons on character from this kid. Rodgers deserves to do well.

 

[sho nuff]

Rodgers is looking pretty good right now. He's only 40 passing yards behind the #2 spot (there are about 6 qb's with 40 yards of each other), tied for 3rd with 12 td's passing, 3-1 td's to int's ratio, 4th in qb rating with 98.8. He also has 3 rushing td's.

You must never watch games. LOL.I notice a few Ted Thompson's most critical posters on here are pretty quiet.Rodgers looking good, Grant getting better...Favre just so-so.

I'll admit, Rodgers has been doing much better than I was expecting. I would still argue Favre is better than Rodgers, and it is hard to judge on a week by week basis, there is still a lot of football left. That being said, I wouldn't get too excited over the last couple weeks, the Packers are an average team this year, and they just beat 2 of the worst teams in the league over the last 2 weeks (Yes I am saying Indianapolis is one of the worst teams in the league... THIS YEAR). If Rodgers can stay healthy over his career I think he will definitely have an above-average career. But let's not annoint him yet, hopefully he doesn't follow the path of a Carson Palmer, etc...

Im not saying Favre may not be doing better if in GB with those weapons.Just that so far...he really has not done that great in NY for any who really look at it.I don't think Indy is one of the worst teams this year. Certainly not consistent...but you don't dismantle the Ravens like the did on offense if you are one of the worst teams in the league.

 

[sho nuff]

Rodgers is looking pretty good right now. He's only 40 passing yards behind the #2 spot (there are about 6 qb's with 40 yards of each other), tied for 3rd with 12 td's passing, 3-1 td's to int's ratio, 4th in qb rating with 98.8. He also has 3 rushing td's.

You must never watch games. LOL.I notice a few Ted Thompson's most critical posters on here are pretty quiet.Rodgers looking good, Grant getting better...Favre just so-so.

Favre has played pretty well this year, not so-so. He is on pace to throw 33-34 TDs. That is awfully good. Plus, with him, through six games, the Jets already have 3/4 as many wins this year as they had last year, and you know Favre's presence has something to do with that. Now, Rodgers has played damn well, too, and I will give him props for toughing it out the last few weeks with that injured shoulder. The Packers have already lost as many games this year as they did last year, but that is not his fault. The defense hasn't been as good, and the running game is struggling. Ultimately, right now, the Favre to the Jets so Rodgers can start in GB deal looks like a win-win situation.

If you look closely at how he played though...come on...he put up big numbers against Arizona...great game for sure there.He put up great numbers late SD game after throwing some picks early on that put the Jets in a whole.Other than the half of the SD game and the Zona game.How well has he really played?Yesterday he was downright bad.And it was not just Favre who was added to this team.Sure, he has something to do with it...probably worth an extra 1-3 wins on a season. Maybe.

 

[Das Boot]

Rodgers has shown me alot. He has been above the fray when it comes to Favre. He has excellent command of a fairly complex offense. He is accurate and confident. He makes the big throw as well as all the little ones. He is tough, putting his team above his own pain.This kid waited his turn, he endured ridicule for slipping in the draft, he was stoic as he was yearly critized in the press during preseason; I hope it all pays off for him.

 

[sho nuff]

First time watching him while at a game...and the decision still looks good.

It was a loud loud crowd yesterday in Nashville, and he was calm and collected...he has total control of this offense and even while he said he did not throw it as well as he wanted too...he threw the ball pretty well.

Though, cannot overlook the turnovers...the fumble happens and he needs to protect that ball. The INT I kind of felt coming...2nd and 2 I knew they would take a shot deep and I just don't think Rodgers really saw the safety over the top there.

But he threw some nice balls yesterday...the deep pass to Jennings was beautiful....if only he could have hung on.

Meanwhile...yes, Favre's Jets have a nice record...but if anyone tries to make the case that he has played well the last 2 weeks in some ugly wins...they are sorely mistaken. He is still making bad bad decisions...and how many INTs has he had run back for TDs this year? That was at least the 3rd...maybe 4th yesterday.(I was happy as I had the Bills DST in a TD only league)

Unlike the past 2 years or so when McCarthy seemed to have a bit more control over Brett (like Holmgren used to)...Mangini just does not seem to reign him in enough.

 

[Phase of the Game]

http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packers/33733094.html

Bogged down by mistakes

Rodgers accepts blame for team's woes in the red zone

By Tom Silverstein of the Journal Sentinel

Posted: Nov. 2, 2008

Nashville, Tenn. - If you're going to come out and challenge the Tennessee Titans' jaw-rattling defense, you might as well finish what you started.

Being aggressive between the 20-yard lines was well and good for the Green Bay Packers on Sunday, but when it came to sticking the ball in the end zone or extending a drive a little bit farther, the day was pretty much a failure.

Able to score only one touchdown in their four trips inside the Titans' 20-yard line - three times inside the 10 - the Packers paid for their impotence with a devastating 19-16 overtime defeat to the Titans at LP Field.

When the game was over, the Packers had 390 yards - more than any other team has gained against Tennessee's fourth-rated defense - but just one touchdown.

"I felt we had a great game plan; we were very aggressive," said quarterback Aaron Rodgers, who ended one drive with an interception and another with a fumble.

"I just did not throw the ball as well as I wanted to. I'm disappointed in that. I had two turnovers. I'm very disappointed about the way I played."

Rodgers had about as uneven a day as one could imagine.

On the one hand, he threw for 314 yards and a touchdown, hitting the Titans' defense with six strikes of 20 or more yards, including big ones of 52 and 44. On the other hand, he was sacked four times, failed to convert a pair of fourth-down passes and went 2 for 7 in the red zone with a sack.

"I think you have to come in and play your game," coach Mike McCarthy said. "We came in and played aggressive.

"I thought that was evident. We were able to hit on some. But with two turnovers and four sacks, you have to give credit to the defense. We didn't make enough plays when it counted and that's the bottom line."

The Packers were up against a defense that generates terrific pressure from its front four and allows its defensive backs the freedom to watch the quarterback rather than the receiver, knowing he won't have much time to play games with his eyes.

There were times the Packers were able to exploit that style - mostly when protection was good enough for Rodgers to sit comfortably in the pocket - but there were several crucial times when the Titans got the best of them.

The worst of them:

Second and goal at the Titans' 5, second quarter: Rodgers threw a fade to tight end Jermichael Finley that went incomplete and then was forced to throw the ball at the feet of receiver Ruvell Martin on third down because he thought he had caught the Titans unprepared on defense, but they regrouped just in time.

"They were a little screwed up presnap," Rodgers said. "Right at the snap, I took my eyes to the left and out of the corner of my eye I saw a guy shooting there (to Martin) and so right about the time I was going to throw it, I kind of pulled it back. I should have gone to the front side."

Fourth and three at the Titans' 38, second quarter: With 26 seconds left, the Packers needed about 8 more yards for kicker Mason Crosby to have a shot at a tying field goal. The Titans dropped eight men into coverage and Rodgers' slant pass to receiver Greg Jennings was broken up by cornerback Cortland Finnegan.

"He just dove at me," Jennings said. "He practically ran the route for me. When I saw him break, I had to turn and go. He broke before I broke. I had to make sure I got underneath him."

Second and 2 at the Titans' 35, third quarter: Nearing field goal range, Rodgers thought the safety was too far away and went deep to Jennings running down the left side. He was wrong. Chris Hope had enough time to come over from his middle position and intercept the ball in the end zone.

"The shot play we took we'll have to watch that tomorrow and see what we think," offensive coordinator Joe Philbin said. "I don't know if it was a bad, bad decision. Maybe the ball held up in the air too long."

Third and 6 at the Packers' 31, third quarter: Rodgers took too much time and was sacked, fumbled and turned the ball over to the Titans at the 17. They kick a field goal to make it 16-10.

"Obviously, you'd love to protect the ball better on the fumble," Philbin said. "I'll have to look at what his options were, getting rid of the ball rather than getting sacked. That was disappointing."

Second and 10 at the Titans' 12, third quarter: The Packers thought they had a shot at a touchdown, but rookie guard Josh Sitton didn't pick up a stunt and Titans end Jacob Ford came in untouched for an 8-yard sack. They wound up with a field goal.

"We were taking a shot at the end zone potentially," Philbin said. "Aaron didn't like what he saw downfield and I think he was going to come down to the check-down and we had penetration. They just kind of made a play."

Having so many opportunities and so little to show for it pretty much summarized why the Packers left at 4-4 instead of 5-3. They pushed the Titans to the limit with their offense but when they were in sight of the goal line, they were not the better team.

"We had some big plays, both run game and the pass game," said Rodgers, who on Friday signed deal through 2014 estimated to be worth $65 million. "The line did a good job without Chad (Clifton) today. It's just disappointing to come up short after we played pretty well. The two turnovers, I put this one on myself. I'm very disappointed."

RODGERS BY THE NUMBERS

1 interception

11 yards rushing

22 completions

41 pass attempts

314 yards passing

 

[Ookie Pringle]

Jets 6-3

Packers 4-5

 

[sho nuff]

Jets 6-3Packers 4-5

Pretty sure GB could have killed the Rams too.But look at how each have played.The Packers would be worse than 4-5 with how Favre has played this year.

 

[Challenge Everything]

Jets 6-3

Packers 4-5

Pretty sure GB could have killed the Rams too.But look at how each have played.

The Packers would be worse than 4-5 with how Favre has played this year.

 

[Ookie Pringle]

Jets 6-3Packers 4-5

The Packers would be worse than 4-5 with how Favre has played this year.

WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Phase of the Game]

Jets 6-3Packers 4-5

The Packers would be worse than 4-5 with how Favre has played this year.

You're just whacked!