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How's the Packer decision to go with Rodgers looking now? (2 Viewers)

zDragon said:
Seems regardless of how the defense plays if the lose it's the defenses fault in you mind. Not closing out the game today for example. Sure they gave up 14 in the 4th. How many did they give up the entire game 20. The offense blew it yet you still find room to down the defense. The defense is not much worse or last years much better. This years is slightly worse.I DO NOT BLAME THE OFFENSE FOR ALL PROBLEMS THIS YEAR. MY POINT IS THE OFFENSE IS NOT MUCH WORSE THAN IT WAS LAST YEAR.And yes sho as long as I post to you I will keep the above tag. Since you used to like to point out I never blame the defense for anything. Want to make sure we stay on point.
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Umm...your first line is laughable. Since its the other way around. Regardless of what the defense does, to you its all the offense.Nowhere did I claim the loss this week, or even last week was just the defenses fault. So why do you keep acting as if I did.The offense did not play the best...they struggled...I said this.But yes...when the team has a lead with 5 minutes left...I have to down the defense for allowing an 80 yard TD drive. To excuse that would be ridiculous.That they are not much worse to you is great. But they are. Slightly? No. Last year's defense did not allow drives like today, or against Houston, or Carolina all that often. This defense has done it 3 weeks in a row.That is not excusing the offense for not doing more. But you have to put some of that on the D...you cannot keep just blaming the offense (and then put that line in the bottom of your posts and think it means anything).I used to point that out...because it was true.
 
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Since people are comparing the quality of the Packers and Jets defenses, let's look at the numbers. Since this week is in progress, these are the numbers through last week.Yards allowed per game:Jets - #18 in NFL - 334.6 ypgPackers - #23 in NFL - 346.2 ypgWe know the Jets gave up 306 today, which will lower their average to 332.6 ypg. We know the Packers gave up 323 today, which will lower their average to 344.5 ypg.Points allowed per game:Jets - #19 in NFL - 22.5 ppgPackers - #22 in NFL - 24.5 ppgWe know the Jets gave up 27 today, which will raise their average to 22.8 ppg. We know the Packers gave up 20 today, which will lower their average to 24.2 ppg.So... the Packers give up ~12 more yards and ~1.4 more points per game. Green Bay is 5-9 and the Jets are 9-5. Obviously, there is a lot more to it than the difference in their defenses.ETA: Entering this week, the Packers had 24 takeaways and the Jets had 23.
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So?I don't see too many people claiming the Jets defense is just great.They got the job done late today when their offense could not do anything.But Id like to see 3rd down efficiency if you really want to compare. Then compare the 2 teams to what they had last year.I also don't see people just saying its due to the 2 defenses being different.Obviously, today, the Packers offense was bad, and their defense did not give them the help in the end either.Obviously today the Jets started out hot...but were bad in the 2nd half on offense. The defense was good in the first half, bad in the 2nd, but in the end made the big play and turned out to be the play that won the game.It surely was not Favre's 1/7 for 5 yards in the 4th quarter.
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The point is, the Packers defense is not so bad as to prevent the Packers from having a better record. The Jets defense is barely better, and yet their team has a great chance to win its division and host a playoff game.Oh, and by the way, here are the 3rd down efficiency numbers you asked for (through last week):Green Bay - allowed 66 conversions in 169 attempts (39.1%)Jets - allowed 67 conversions in 170 attempts (39.4%)Somehow I don't think that is what you expected...
 
Just Win Baby said:
The point is, the Packers defense is not so bad as to prevent the Packers from having a better record. The Jets defense is barely better, and yet their team has a great chance to win its division and host a playoff game.Oh, and by the way, here are the 3rd down efficiency numbers you asked for (through last week):Green Bay - allowed 66 conversions in 169 attempts (39.1%)Jets - allowed 67 conversions in 170 attempts (39.4%)Somehow I don't think that is what you expected...
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No, on its own its not preventing them from having a better record...but surely not helping them.Compare it to last year.Im not worried about the differences between the Jets and Packers in that respect...but the differences in the Packers of 2008 and the Packers of 2007.
 
And for a poster who enjoyed the 3rd down efficiency last week...this week they were 10/16 for the offense...and still lost.

 
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zDragon said:
Seems regardless of how the defense plays if the lose it's the defenses fault in you mind. Not closing out the game today for example. Sure they gave up 14 in the 4th. How many did they give up the entire game 20. The offense blew it yet you still find room to down the defense. The defense is not much worse or last years much better. This years is slightly worse.I DO NOT BLAME THE OFFENSE FOR ALL PROBLEMS THIS YEAR. MY POINT IS THE OFFENSE IS NOT MUCH WORSE THAN IT WAS LAST YEAR.And yes sho as long as I post to you I will keep the above tag. Since you used to like to point out I never blame the defense for anything. Want to make sure we stay on point.
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Umm...your first line is laughable. Since its the other way around. Regardless of what the defense does, to you its all the offense.Nowhere did I claim the loss this week, or even last week was just the defenses fault. So why do you keep acting as if I did.The offense did not play the best...they struggled...I said this.But yes...when the team has a lead with 5 minutes left...I have to down the defense for allowing an 80 yard TD drive. To excuse that would be ridiculous.That they are not much worse to you is great. But they are. Slightly? No. Last year's defense did not allow drives like today, or against Houston, or Carolina all that often. This defense has done it 3 weeks in a row.That is not excusing the offense for not doing more. But you have to put some of that on the D...you cannot keep just blaming the offense (and then put that line in the bottom of your posts and think it means anything).I used to point that out...because it was true.
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No see. I'm stating the fact in every post to you that I do not entirely blame the offense.See here you go again. Defense gives up a drive when they'd had stop after stop the offense did not score on yet it's the defense being pointed out.Yawn. It's old and boring seeing this argument again when you don't look at the underlying reasons or ignore them.Yes you are and you continue to do so.Yes I put the line at the bottom of my posts so you understand what my point is yet you ignore it.I AM NOT ENTIRELY BLAMING THE OFFENSE BUT MY POINT IS THAT THE DEFENSE IS NOT MUCH WORSE THAN IT WAS LAST YEAR.I AM NOT ENTIRELY BLAMING THE OFFENSE BUT MY POINT IS THAT THE DEFENSE IS NOT MUCH WORSE THAN IT WAS LAST YEAR.I AM NOT ENTIRELY BLAMING THE OFFENSE BUT MY POINT IS THAT THE DEFENSE IS NOT MUCH WORSE THAN IT WAS LAST YEAR.Maybe you'll quit misstating my stance if I put it in three times since you don't seem to understand.
 
zDragon said:
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zDragon said:
Seems regardless of how the defense plays if the lose it's the defenses fault in you mind. Not closing out the game today for example. Sure they gave up 14 in the 4th. How many did they give up the entire game 20. The offense blew it yet you still find room to down the defense. The defense is not much worse or last years much better. This years is slightly worse.I DO NOT BLAME THE OFFENSE FOR ALL PROBLEMS THIS YEAR. MY POINT IS THE OFFENSE IS NOT MUCH WORSE THAN IT WAS LAST YEAR.And yes sho as long as I post to you I will keep the above tag. Since you used to like to point out I never blame the defense for anything. Want to make sure we stay on point.
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Umm...your first line is laughable. Since its the other way around. Regardless of what the defense does, to you its all the offense.Nowhere did I claim the loss this week, or even last week was just the defenses fault. So why do you keep acting as if I did.The offense did not play the best...they struggled...I said this.But yes...when the team has a lead with 5 minutes left...I have to down the defense for allowing an 80 yard TD drive. To excuse that would be ridiculous.That they are not much worse to you is great. But they are. Slightly? No. Last year's defense did not allow drives like today, or against Houston, or Carolina all that often. This defense has done it 3 weeks in a row.That is not excusing the offense for not doing more. But you have to put some of that on the D...you cannot keep just blaming the offense (and then put that line in the bottom of your posts and think it means anything).I used to point that out...because it was true.
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No see. I'm stating the fact in every post to you that I do not entirely blame the offense.See here you go again. Defense gives up a drive when they'd had stop after stop the offense did not score on yet it's the defense being pointed out.Yawn. It's old and boring seeing this argument again when you don't look at the underlying reasons or ignore them.Yes you are and you continue to do so.Yes I put the line at the bottom of my posts so you understand what my point is yet you ignore it.I AM NOT ENTIRELY BLAMING THE OFFENSE BUT MY POINT IS THAT THE DEFENSE IS NOT MUCH WORSE THAN IT WAS LAST YEAR.I AM NOT ENTIRELY BLAMING THE OFFENSE BUT MY POINT IS THAT THE DEFENSE IS NOT MUCH WORSE THAN IT WAS LAST YEAR.I AM NOT ENTIRELY BLAMING THE OFFENSE BUT MY POINT IS THAT THE DEFENSE IS NOT MUCH WORSE THAN IT WAS LAST YEAR.Maybe you'll quit misstating my stance if I put it in three times since you don't seem to understand.
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You state that at the end...but throughout your entire posts you blame the offense.I have not misstated your stance...its actually you have have kept doing that to me for the past 2 games now.Regardless of the way your end your posts...you are consistently excusing the defensive play and putting nearly all of the blame on the offense.The defense is pointed out because of the instance in where it happened...and I have said numerous times now for the past 2 games that the offense has come up short and cannot do certain things (like taking the sack last week, and not converting 3rd downs...to the 3 attempts to get one yard and settling on FGs this week).The underlying the defense gave up the opening TD drive and the last 80 yard drive to give up the lead in the last 2 minutes of a game was because of the offense? No. Neither of those drives can be blamed on the offense.And my specific point is that the defense last year simply did not allow such things like they have this year. That was the point of the article I posted earlier in the week (which I did not comment on as I did not think it was that great other than pointing out one of the big differences this year vs. last).I understand the point of your last lines...its so you can keep blaming the offense but feel like you are not totally blaming them.Eventhough anytime anyone mentions the defense you make an excuse for them.
 
I can't believe this thread has reached 38 pages! It was the correct call, I think it's fairly obvious at this point Rodgers is legit starting QB in the NFL.

 
What is Rodgers record now? What were the Packers with FAVRE last season, i forget?

Face it TT jock sniffers, Rodgers sucks! :)

 
teamroc said:
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And for a poster who enjoyed the 3rd down efficiency last week...this week they were 10/16 for the offense...and still lost.
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The Packers are just missing something. Might be leadership. What's your take?
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I agree...and they are missing it on both sides of the ball.They are also missing consistency on both sides...is that the youth? I don't know.But it shows each week...big plays followed by crap. On D, Hawk gets a big sack, followed by what...a 17 yard pickup by the Jags.Offense gets some big passes...followed by blah.I have said this over and over and it still rings true, the defense has not had a leader since Butler retired.Somebody needs to step up...whether its Woodson, Barnett, Kampman...somebody.Obviously on offense it has to be Rodgers.
 
Chachi said:
What is Rodgers record now? What were the Packers with FAVRE last season, i forget? Face it TT jock sniffers, Rodgers sucks! :bye:
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Yawn...more nonsense in this thread from you.Is this team playing just the same as last year? No.Is that all because of Favre? Not in the least bit.With the way this team is playing, it has proven to be the correct decision.And no, Rodgers does not suck.
 
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Chachi said:
What is Rodgers record now? What were the Packers with FAVRE last season, i forget? Face it TT jock sniffers, Rodgers sucks! :bye:
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Yawn...more nonsense in this thread from you.Is this team playing just the same as last year? No.Is that all because of Favre? Not in the least bit.With the way this team is playing, it has proven to be the correct decision.And no, Rodgers does not suck.
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You know even if you're right that with Favre this year the Packers would still be so bad they wouldn't have had a shot at winning a playoff game, but I think the evidence shows that without Favre last year the team would have had another losing season.
 
ScottyFargo said:
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Chachi said:
What is Rodgers record now? What were the Packers with FAVRE last season, i forget? Face it TT jock sniffers, Rodgers sucks! :bye:
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Yawn...more nonsense in this thread from you.Is this team playing just the same as last year? No.Is that all because of Favre? Not in the least bit.With the way this team is playing, it has proven to be the correct decision.And no, Rodgers does not suck.
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You know even if you're right that with Favre this year the Packers would still be so bad they wouldn't have had a shot at winning a playoff game, but I think the evidence shows that without Favre last year the team would have had another losing season.
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What does last year without Favre have to do with the decision?
 
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ScottyFargo said:
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Chachi said:
What is Rodgers record now? What were the Packers with FAVRE last season, i forget? Face it TT jock sniffers, Rodgers sucks! :thumbup:
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Yawn...more nonsense in this thread from you.Is this team playing just the same as last year? No.Is that all because of Favre? Not in the least bit.With the way this team is playing, it has proven to be the correct decision.And no, Rodgers does not suck.
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You know even if you're right that with Favre this year the Packers would still be so bad they wouldn't have had a shot at winning a playoff game, but I think the evidence shows that without Favre last year the team would have had another losing season.
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What does last year without Favre have to do with the decision?
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His talent last year covered up some serious issues with the team that otherwise might have been addressed this offseason.
 
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zDragon said:
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zDragon said:
Seems regardless of how the defense plays if the lose it's the defenses fault in you mind. Not closing out the game today for example. Sure they gave up 14 in the 4th. How many did they give up the entire game 20. The offense blew it yet you still find room to down the defense. The defense is not much worse or last years much better. This years is slightly worse.I DO NOT BLAME THE OFFENSE FOR ALL PROBLEMS THIS YEAR. MY POINT IS THE OFFENSE IS NOT MUCH WORSE THAN IT WAS LAST YEAR.And yes sho as long as I post to you I will keep the above tag. Since you used to like to point out I never blame the defense for anything. Want to make sure we stay on point.
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Umm...your first line is laughable. Since its the other way around. Regardless of what the defense does, to you its all the offense.Nowhere did I claim the loss this week, or even last week was just the defenses fault. So why do you keep acting as if I did.The offense did not play the best...they struggled...I said this.But yes...when the team has a lead with 5 minutes left...I have to down the defense for allowing an 80 yard TD drive. To excuse that would be ridiculous.That they are not much worse to you is great. But they are. Slightly? No. Last year's defense did not allow drives like today, or against Houston, or Carolina all that often. This defense has done it 3 weeks in a row.That is not excusing the offense for not doing more. But you have to put some of that on the D...you cannot keep just blaming the offense (and then put that line in the bottom of your posts and think it means anything).I used to point that out...because it was true.
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No see. I'm stating the fact in every post to you that I do not entirely blame the offense.See here you go again. Defense gives up a drive when they'd had stop after stop the offense did not score on yet it's the defense being pointed out.Yawn. It's old and boring seeing this argument again when you don't look at the underlying reasons or ignore them.Yes you are and you continue to do so.Yes I put the line at the bottom of my posts so you understand what my point is yet you ignore it.I AM NOT ENTIRELY BLAMING THE OFFENSE BUT MY POINT IS THAT THE DEFENSE IS NOT MUCH WORSE THAN IT WAS LAST YEAR.I AM NOT ENTIRELY BLAMING THE OFFENSE BUT MY POINT IS THAT THE DEFENSE IS NOT MUCH WORSE THAN IT WAS LAST YEAR.I AM NOT ENTIRELY BLAMING THE OFFENSE BUT MY POINT IS THAT THE DEFENSE IS NOT MUCH WORSE THAN IT WAS LAST YEAR.Maybe you'll quit misstating my stance if I put it in three times since you don't seem to understand.
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You state that at the end...but throughout your entire posts you blame the offense.I have not misstated your stance...its actually you have have kept doing that to me for the past 2 games now.Regardless of the way your end your posts...you are consistently excusing the defensive play and putting nearly all of the blame on the offense.The defense is pointed out because of the instance in where it happened...and I have said numerous times now for the past 2 games that the offense has come up short and cannot do certain things (like taking the sack last week, and not converting 3rd downs...to the 3 attempts to get one yard and settling on FGs this week).The underlying the defense gave up the opening TD drive and the last 80 yard drive to give up the lead in the last 2 minutes of a game was because of the offense? No. Neither of those drives can be blamed on the offense.And my specific point is that the defense last year simply did not allow such things like they have this year. That was the point of the article I posted earlier in the week (which I did not comment on as I did not think it was that great other than pointing out one of the big differences this year vs. last).I understand the point of your last lines...its so you can keep blaming the offense but feel like you are not totally blaming them.Eventhough anytime anyone mentions the defense you make an excuse for them.
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Do i need to put it in 100 times for you to understand my only point is the defense is not as bad as people want to make it out to be?You once again misstate my position. Just because I'm pointing out what many do not like to hear does not mean I'm blaming the offense only.Your article was not a very good one and I'd take Football Outsiders information over that any day. I also pointed out he was not correct on all accounts.You once again do not understand my statement. It is there so you do not misstate what i'm saying and your still doing it. My one and only point is ....THAT THE DEFENSE IS NOT MUCH WORSE THAN IT WAS LAST YEAR.I AM NOT ENTIRELY BLAMING THE OFFENSE BUT MY POINT IS THAT THE DEFENSE IS NOT MUCH WORSE THAN IT WAS LAST YEAR.I AM NOT ENTIRELY BLAMING THE OFFENSE BUT MY POINT IS THAT THE DEFENSE IS NOT MUCH WORSE THAN IT WAS LAST YEAR.
 
zDragon said:
Do i need to put it in 100 times for you to understand my only point is the defense is not as bad as people want to make it out to be?You once again misstate my position. Just because I'm pointing out what many do not like to hear does not mean I'm blaming the offense only.Your article was not a very good one and I'd take Football Outsiders information over that any day. I also pointed out he was not correct on all accounts.You once again do not understand my statement. It is there so you do not misstate what i'm saying and your still doing it. My one and only point is ....THAT THE DEFENSE IS NOT MUCH WORSE THAN IT WAS LAST YEAR.I AM NOT ENTIRELY BLAMING THE OFFENSE BUT MY POINT IS THAT THE DEFENSE IS NOT MUCH WORSE THAN IT WAS LAST YEAR.I AM NOT ENTIRELY BLAMING THE OFFENSE BUT MY POINT IS THAT THE DEFENSE IS NOT MUCH WORSE THAN IT WAS LAST YEAR.
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You can post it as much as you want...it won't make it true.I did not misstate your position. I told you what it appears you say by your consistent refusal to put anything on the defense and your defending their play anytime someone criticizes it.I have given criticism to the offense...especially the last 2 games. But you act as if Im saying its all the defense. You are, in fact, doing exactly what you claim I am doing about you.Fantasy Outsiders info is great data for sure. The article I posted was simply posted as it gave some good information about how last year's defense would close some games out. This years is simply not doing that as well.I understand your statement. I have simply posted what it looks like by the way you deflect anything about the defense and just talk about the offense.And the defense is much worse than last year.
 
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zDragon said:
Do i need to put it in 100 times for you to understand my only point is the defense is not as bad as people want to make it out to be?You once again misstate my position. Just because I'm pointing out what many do not like to hear does not mean I'm blaming the offense only.Your article was not a very good one and I'd take Football Outsiders information over that any day. I also pointed out he was not correct on all accounts.You once again do not understand my statement. It is there so you do not misstate what i'm saying and your still doing it. My one and only point is ....THAT THE DEFENSE IS NOT MUCH WORSE THAN IT WAS LAST YEAR.I AM NOT ENTIRELY BLAMING THE OFFENSE BUT MY POINT IS THAT THE DEFENSE IS NOT MUCH WORSE THAN IT WAS LAST YEAR.I AM NOT ENTIRELY BLAMING THE OFFENSE BUT MY POINT IS THAT THE DEFENSE IS NOT MUCH WORSE THAN IT WAS LAST YEAR.
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Fantasy Outsiders info is great data for sure. The article I posted was simply posted as it gave some good information about how last year's defense would close some games out. This years is simply not doing that as well.
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I don't see the offense closing games out either.
 
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z, just let it go, this is what I am getting at. I think everyone can make their conclusions from this 'argument'

 
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zDragon said:
Do i need to put it in 100 times for you to understand my only point is the defense is not as bad as people want to make it out to be?You once again misstate my position. Just because I'm pointing out what many do not like to hear does not mean I'm blaming the offense only.Your article was not a very good one and I'd take Football Outsiders information over that any day. I also pointed out he was not correct on all accounts.You once again do not understand my statement. It is there so you do not misstate what i'm saying and your still doing it. My one and only point is ....THAT THE DEFENSE IS NOT MUCH WORSE THAN IT WAS LAST YEAR.I AM NOT ENTIRELY BLAMING THE OFFENSE BUT MY POINT IS THAT THE DEFENSE IS NOT MUCH WORSE THAN IT WAS LAST YEAR.I AM NOT ENTIRELY BLAMING THE OFFENSE BUT MY POINT IS THAT THE DEFENSE IS NOT MUCH WORSE THAN IT WAS LAST YEAR.
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You can post it as much as you want...it won't make it true.I did not misstate your position. I told you what it appears you say by your consistent refusal to put anything on the defense and your defending their play anytime someone criticizes it.I have given criticism to the offense...especially the last 2 games. But you act as if Im saying its all the defense. You are, in fact, doing exactly what you claim I am doing about you.Fantasy Outsiders info is great data for sure. The article I posted was simply posted as it gave some good information about how last year's defense would close some games out. This years is simply not doing that as well.I understand your statement. I have simply posted what it looks like by the way you deflect anything about the defense and just talk about the offense.And the defense is much worse than last year.
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Once a you twist my point and ignore what I have bolded and repeated. I have defended the defense of course. Why wouldn't I that's the point. I do not believe they are MUCH WORSE than they were last year. I've admitted they are not as good just not as bad as everyone makes them out to be. Yet you still say I only blame the offense.There I said it again. You keep saying the defense isn't closing out the games. That seems like your putting on the Defense to me. My point was the offense had a long time to close the game out but they kept putting up threes and not sevens. Sure in the end the blame goes on both but that's not the point I have been defending. So realize it and I'll quit bolding it.My one and only point is ....THAT THE DEFENSE IS NOT MUCH WORSE THAN IT WAS LAST YEAR.I AM NOT ENTIRELY BLAMING THE OFFENSE BUT MY POINT IS THAT THE DEFENSE IS NOT MUCH WORSE THAN IT WAS LAST YEAR.I AM NOT ENTIRELY BLAMING THE OFFENSE BUT MY POINT IS THAT THE DEFENSE IS NOT MUCH WORSE THAN IT WAS LAST YEAR
 
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z, just let it go, this is what I am getting at. I think everyone can make their conclusions from this 'argument'
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Ahh. Your correct in that. I just hate for the D to be smashed to bits because so many are stuck on the QB war between what Favre would've done versus what Rodgers is doing.
 
Phase of the Game said:
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zDragon said:
Do i need to put it in 100 times for you to understand my only point is the defense is not as bad as people want to make it out to be?You once again misstate my position. Just because I'm pointing out what many do not like to hear does not mean I'm blaming the offense only.Your article was not a very good one and I'd take Football Outsiders information over that any day. I also pointed out he was not correct on all accounts.You once again do not understand my statement. It is there so you do not misstate what i'm saying and your still doing it. My one and only point is ....THAT THE DEFENSE IS NOT MUCH WORSE THAN IT WAS LAST YEAR.I AM NOT ENTIRELY BLAMING THE OFFENSE BUT MY POINT IS THAT THE DEFENSE IS NOT MUCH WORSE THAN IT WAS LAST YEAR.I AM NOT ENTIRELY BLAMING THE OFFENSE BUT MY POINT IS THAT THE DEFENSE IS NOT MUCH WORSE THAN IT WAS LAST YEAR.
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Fantasy Outsiders info is great data for sure. The article I posted was simply posted as it gave some good information about how last year's defense would close some games out. This years is simply not doing that as well.
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I don't see the offense closing games out either.
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No...they are not.But they have put the team ahead 2 of the past 3 games late in the game...and the defense gave up TD drives coming with under 2 minutes left.
 
zDragon said:
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zDragon said:
Do i need to put it in 100 times for you to understand my only point is the defense is not as bad as people want to make it out to be?You once again misstate my position. Just because I'm pointing out what many do not like to hear does not mean I'm blaming the offense only.Your article was not a very good one and I'd take Football Outsiders information over that any day. I also pointed out he was not correct on all accounts.You once again do not understand my statement. It is there so you do not misstate what i'm saying and your still doing it. My one and only point is ....THAT THE DEFENSE IS NOT MUCH WORSE THAN IT WAS LAST YEAR.I AM NOT ENTIRELY BLAMING THE OFFENSE BUT MY POINT IS THAT THE DEFENSE IS NOT MUCH WORSE THAN IT WAS LAST YEAR.I AM NOT ENTIRELY BLAMING THE OFFENSE BUT MY POINT IS THAT THE DEFENSE IS NOT MUCH WORSE THAN IT WAS LAST YEAR.
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You can post it as much as you want...it won't make it true.I did not misstate your position. I told you what it appears you say by your consistent refusal to put anything on the defense and your defending their play anytime someone criticizes it.I have given criticism to the offense...especially the last 2 games. But you act as if Im saying its all the defense. You are, in fact, doing exactly what you claim I am doing about you.Fantasy Outsiders info is great data for sure. The article I posted was simply posted as it gave some good information about how last year's defense would close some games out. This years is simply not doing that as well.I understand your statement. I have simply posted what it looks like by the way you deflect anything about the defense and just talk about the offense.And the defense is much worse than last year.
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Once a you twist my point and ignore what I have bolded and repeated. I have defended the defense of course. Why wouldn't I that's the point. I do not believe they are MUCH WORSE than they were last year. I've admitted they are not as good just not as bad as everyone makes them out to be. Yet you still say I only blame the offense.There I said it again. You keep saying the defense isn't closing out the games. That seems like your putting on the Defense to me. My point was the offense had a long time to close the game out but they kept putting up threes and not sevens. Sure in the end the blame goes on both but that's not the point I have been defending. So realize it and I'll quit bolding it.My one and only point is ....THAT THE DEFENSE IS NOT MUCH WORSE THAN IT WAS LAST YEAR.I AM NOT ENTIRELY BLAMING THE OFFENSE BUT MY POINT IS THAT THE DEFENSE IS NOT MUCH WORSE THAN IT WAS LAST YEAR.I AM NOT ENTIRELY BLAMING THE OFFENSE BUT MY POINT IS THAT THE DEFENSE IS NOT MUCH WORSE THAN IT WAS LAST YEAR
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I have not twisted what you wrote. I am talking about your exact words and actions in these threads.And this thread is specifically about the decision to go with Rodgers in the first place. Your first statement on that was QB play has been far worse and not the defense (or something to that effect).Why wouldn't you defend this defense? Because they simply are not that good or playing that good.I don't still say you only blame the offense. I say you defend any criticism of the defense and mostly just talk about the offense. That early on you did just blame the offense and only recently added that little tag line. And that tag line is about the only time you even mention the defense other than to defend them.Yes, I keep saying the defense has not closed out games.Or did I just imagine 2 game winning TD drives coming with under 2 minutes left in the last 3 weeks? After the offense had put the team ahead late.Could the offense have done more to get a TD rather than a FG? Yes. Does that excuse the defense from giving up late TD drives? Not in the least.I am not putting it all on the defense at all...and have said that so many times yet you keep twisting it (funny given your accusation of me doing that to you).I specifically mentioned several times that they cannot just keep settling for FGs...so how is that me putting it all on the defense.Its not all on them at all. There are many factors to this (which has been my point since you entered this thread).
 
zDragon said:
wilked said:
z, just let it go, this is what I am getting at. I think everyone can make their conclusions from this 'argument'
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Ahh. Your correct in that. I just hate for the D to be smashed to bits because so many are stuck on the QB war between what Favre would've done versus what Rodgers is doing.
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Umm...the D should be smashed for how they have played.And we are stuck on the QB war because that is what this thread is about...the decision to go with Rodgers over Favre.
 
Keith Lewis said:
Poster Posts sho nuff 516 :loco: :)

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Thanks for the count...nobody had done that in a while.Im glad some of you are so obsessed with my post count.

 
This defense is a lot worse than last year, especially against the run. They are allowing almost a FULL YARD per carry more against the run than last year. When you allow 3.9 YPC one year, then 4.8 the next, that should tell you by itself that the defense is a lot worse. They also allowed 5 yards per offensive play last year. This year, they are allowing 5.5 yards per play. That is a significant increase. The Packers had 36 sacks last year. This year they only have 23.

The Packers have had a lot of injuries on defense and it shows, especially in their terrible run defense. There is no way you can go from 3.9 YPC allowed to 4.8 YPC allowed and say the defense is not much worse. It is a lot worse than last years defense. You just can't be that bad against the run and not be a bad defense. If you can't stop the run, you can't do much of anything to stop the other team. That is the difference between last year's defense and this year's.

 
Stinger Ray said:
The offense scored only 16 points yesterday.
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That they did...do you hear anyone excusing the offense yesterday?They sucked too. Cannot settle for FGs or take sacks at crucial times.And you have to be able to run the ball more consistently.As did the D.How does a team with Dennis Northcutt and Greg Estandia put up numbers agaisnt the defense.MJD should have been the only real worry.Im surprised they did not run more.
 
Anthony Borbely said:
This defense is a lot worse than last year, especially against the run. They are allowing almost a FULL YARD per carry more against the run than last year. When you allow 3.9 YPC one year, then 4.8 the next, that should tell you by itself that the defense is a lot worse. They also allowed 5 yards per offensive play last year. This year, they are allowing 5.5 yards per play. That is a significant increase. The Packers had 36 sacks last year. This year they only have 23.

The Packers have had a lot of injuries on defense and it shows, especially in their terrible run defense. There is no way you can go from 3.9 YPC allowed to 4.8 YPC allowed and say the defense is not much worse. It is a lot worse than last years defense. You just can't be that bad against the run and not be a bad defense. If you can't stop the run, you can't do much of anything to stop the other team. That is the difference between last year's defense and this year's.
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:thumbup: Yardage totals and point totals don't always paint an accurate picture. I suspect you'd also see a fairly significant decline in TOP, and drives per game....a natural result of a weak run Defense as teams play keep-away.

I think it's fair to say the team MAY HAVE won another game or two with Favre, but Favre certainly wouldn't have taken them far in the playoffs.

It's also fair to say that Rogers is not only a legit NFL starting QB, but has shown enough to believe he may be a very good one, a pro-bowl type for years to come. He steped into a massive pressure cooker and has responded very well.

While I can see how some would still disagree with the move, anyone who still wants to bash Rodgers and TT to any significant degree is delusional. It's obvious this team would go nowhere in the playoffs with Favre, who is, by the way, 39 years old. To move to a young up and coming QB and get a high pick for an (almost) over-the-hill QB is not exactly a move deserving of the kind of vitriolic criticism TT has received in this thread.

 
Agreed...there are plenty of things to criticize TT for...the Rodgers move does not appear to really have much merit in the bashing though.

 
Obviously the "Rodgers sucks/is injury prone" crowing has quieted. He's not great, not yet, and maybe the bar is higher now as some guys have recently enjoyed great success in their first starting season (Brady, Ben R., Ryan) but Rodgers is still doing well. If I thought this is as good as he can be, I'd be concerned, but why should anyone think that? He's improved greatly since August.

So regardless of the decision to "go with" Rodgers, how do the Packers look for being able to draft a franchise QB? Something the rest of the division and half the league remains unable to do. I mean I guess it would be much more gratifying for the gloaters if Rodgers were bad, but instead there is just this idea of a phantom championship opportunity that left town with Favre. Yawn.

 
Chicago Hooligan said:
Obviously the "Rodgers sucks/is injury prone" crowing has quieted. He's not great, not yet, and maybe the bar is higher now as some guys have recently enjoyed great success in their first starting season (Brady, Ben R., Ryan) but Rodgers is still doing well. If I thought this is as good as he can be, I'd be concerned, but why should anyone think that? He's improved greatly since August.So regardless of the decision to "go with" Rodgers, how do the Packers look for being able to draft a franchise QB? Something the rest of the division and half the league remains unable to do. I mean I guess it would be much more gratifying for the gloaters if Rodgers were bad, but instead there is just this idea of a phantom championship opportunity that left town with Favre. Yawn.
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:lmao: Somehow, this icon is far far short of how great this posting really is.
 
bcr8f said:
Keith Lewis said:
Packers

2008: 5-9

2007: 13-3

Jets

2008: 9-5

2007: 4-12

Nuff said (pardon the pun) :shrug:
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Hmmm. Didn't the Jets add a few players too?
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No doubt. Going from these extremes in wins/losses makes a great case that Favre is a winner and Rodgers isn't. I'm pretty sure the Jets upgraded the most important position in football with Favre, remember they weren't sure if they should roll with Kellen Clemens. I don't think the Jets would be 9-5 with Kellen Clemens, how about giving Favre the credit he deserves.
 
5 – 9 in the worst division in the NFL without a West in its title. Why don’t you all just agree that both the offense & defense suck, that last year was a fluke combination of an easy schedule & lucky bounces and just move on.

Check that, I am enjoying the cheesehead on cheesehead hate too much for it to stop now.

Carry on.

 
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