How's the Packer decision to go with Rodgers looking now? (1 Viewer)

[sho nuff]

http://www.scoresreport.com/2008/07/31/did...o-stay-retired/

"the Packers have grossly mishandled the situation."

http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/08/06/...arthy-thompson/

"But given the manner in which McCarthy and Thompson have mishandled Favre’s attempt to return, some league insiders think that both men could be in danger, if the team tanks in 2008.

Said one team executive, “I can’t believe how the front office has ^&*$% up this thing. He is one of the two or three best all time players in franchise history. You can’t treat him like a piece of dirt. I would bet that this is going to end up costing a few people their jobs next January.”

http://m.si.com/news/sp/archive/detail/104...C8A.cnnsilive9i

"Green Bay general manager Ted Thompson may have mishandled this entire affair by being out of touch with Cook and virtually unreachable to Favre during the last three months."

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/2008/0...-tavern-talk-8/

"I was talking to a GM in the league today and even he was surprised that the Packers still refuse to bring in a veteran QB to back up and help Rodgers. I think it is a dangerous move and Green Bay needs to hope Rodgers can hold up. Risky business here."

Lets take these one by one.First one...how is that a source from around the league...its one guy's opinion who starts out with his bias of the "tried to bribe" him line. Funny how that "bribe" was offered to Favre before he even retired and Andrew Brandt knew about it even before he left the Packers.

First link...utter fail.

2nd one.

Hey, you found a team exec. One.

So...a pass for now.

3rd one.

"may have mishandled".

And Peter King is not "around the league".

Another utter fail.

4th link.

Not sure what you were linking to there...nothing like that in the actual article linked.

And...it was about not getting a backup...not even about the situation.

And even I said not having a backup was a mistake.

Worst fail of all.

Being generous that you actually found one...I will give you a 1-3.

Though, the one was just one exec...a far cry from your claim of how badly people around the league looked at the Packers Org.

:denial:

Just linking to writers giving an opinion is not a view of the how people around the league are viewing the organization.

SPIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Spin is you passing off a quote from one exec saying they mishandled the Favre situation as proof that they lost respect around the league.Spin is you passing off a quote about not getting a veteran backup as proof that they lost respect around the league.

Spin is you giving the opinion of 2 writers about them mishandling the situation as proof they lost respect around the league.

Not one of your links said anything about anyone around the league losing respect for the Green Bay Packers organization.

And you have the nerve to claim I am spinning something right now?

 

[sho nuff]

http://www.scoresreport.com/2008/07/31/did...o-stay-retired/

"the Packers have grossly mishandled the situation."

http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/08/06/...arthy-thompson/

"But given the manner in which McCarthy and Thompson have mishandled Favre’s attempt to return, some league insiders think that both men could be in danger, if the team tanks in 2008.

Said one team executive, “I can’t believe how the front office has ^&*$% up this thing. He is one of the two or three best all time players in franchise history. You can’t treat him like a piece of dirt. I would bet that this is going to end up costing a few people their jobs next January.”

http://m.si.com/news/sp/archive/detail/104...C8A.cnnsilive9i

"Green Bay general manager Ted Thompson may have mishandled this entire affair by being out of touch with Cook and virtually unreachable to Favre during the last three months."

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/2008/0...-tavern-talk-8/

"I was talking to a GM in the league today and even he was surprised that the Packers still refuse to bring in a veteran QB to back up and help Rodgers. I think it is a dangerous move and Green Bay needs to hope Rodgers can hold up. Risky business here."

Lets take these one by one.First one...how is that a source from around the league...its one guy's opinion who starts out with his bias of the "tried to bribe" him line. Funny how that "bribe" was offered to Favre before he even retired and Andrew Brandt knew about it even before he left the Packers.

First link...utter fail.

2nd one.

Hey, you found a team exec. One.

So...a pass for now.

3rd one.

"may have mishandled".

And Peter King is not "around the league".

Another utter fail.

4th link.

Not sure what you were linking to there...nothing like that in the actual article linked.

And...it was about not getting a backup...not even about the situation.

And even I said not having a backup was a mistake.

Worst fail of all.

Being generous that you actually found one...I will give you a 1-3.

Though, the one was just one exec...a far cry from your claim of how badly people around the league looked at the Packers Org.

Wrong....you missed this part.."But given the manner in which McCarthy and Thompson have mishandled Favre’s attempt to return, some league insiders think that both men could be in danger, if the team tanks in 2008.

That is more than one, sho.... but you just keep being in denial about this.

Like I said...I give you one out of 3.Thinking they mishandled it is also far and away from your original claim that they lost alot of respect around the league.

Even saying they mishandled it is not saying they lost alot of respect around the league.

So, Im no longer generous...you get an 0-4 and a complete and total fail in linking anything showing they have lost alot of respect around the league.

Please try again...no, better yet...please save us all the ridiculous spin you are about to bring.

I think Favre lost more respect than GB did.What an egomaniac.

Favre haters thinks that. Rational people do not.

Let us know when you or anyone agreeing with you in this thread begin to be rational people.

 

[Phurfur]

http://www.scoresreport.com/2008/07/31/did...o-stay-retired/

"the Packers have grossly mishandled the situation."

http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/08/06/...arthy-thompson/

"But given the manner in which McCarthy and Thompson have mishandled Favre’s attempt to return, some league insiders think that both men could be in danger, if the team tanks in 2008.

Said one team executive, “I can’t believe how the front office has ^&*$% up this thing. He is one of the two or three best all time players in franchise history. You can’t treat him like a piece of dirt. I would bet that this is going to end up costing a few people their jobs next January.”

http://m.si.com/news/sp/archive/detail/104...C8A.cnnsilive9i

"Green Bay general manager Ted Thompson may have mishandled this entire affair by being out of touch with Cook and virtually unreachable to Favre during the last three months."

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/2008/0...-tavern-talk-8/

"I was talking to a GM in the league today and even he was surprised that the Packers still refuse to bring in a veteran QB to back up and help Rodgers. I think it is a dangerous move and Green Bay needs to hope Rodgers can hold up. Risky business here."

Lets take these one by one.First one...how is that a source from around the league...its one guy's opinion who starts out with his bias of the "tried to bribe" him line. Funny how that "bribe" was offered to Favre before he even retired and Andrew Brandt knew about it even before he left the Packers.

First link...utter fail.

2nd one.

Hey, you found a team exec. One.

So...a pass for now.

3rd one.

"may have mishandled".

And Peter King is not "around the league".

Another utter fail.

4th link.

Not sure what you were linking to there...nothing like that in the actual article linked.

And...it was about not getting a backup...not even about the situation.

And even I said not having a backup was a mistake.

Worst fail of all.

Being generous that you actually found one...I will give you a 1-3.

Though, the one was just one exec...a far cry from your claim of how badly people around the league looked at the Packers Org.

Wrong....you missed this part.."But given the manner in which McCarthy and Thompson have mishandled Favre’s attempt to return, some league insiders think that both men could be in danger, if the team tanks in 2008.

That is more than one, sho.... but you just keep being in denial about this.

Like I said...I give you one out of 3.Thinking they mishandled it is also far and away from your original claim that they lost alot of respect around the league.

Even saying they mishandled it is not saying they lost alot of respect around the league.

So, Im no longer generous...you get an 0-4 and a complete and total fail in linking anything showing they have lost alot of respect around the league.

Please try again...no, better yet...please save us all the ridiculous spin you are about to bring.

I think Favre lost more respect than GB did.What an egomaniac.

Favre haters thinks that. Rational people do not.

I am not a Favre hater. His #4 GB Home Jersey is the one and only jersey I will ever own. But he is an egomaniac.

 

[PizzaDeliveryGuy]

Favre haters thinks that. Rational people do not.

The word rational should not enter this thread. There isn't much rational thought coming from either side at this point with the Roger's haters being ahead down the backstretch by half a link on the mind numbing drivel being spewed about.

 

[BeaverCleaver]

http://www.scoresreport.com/2008/07/31/did...o-stay-retired/

"the Packers have grossly mishandled the situation."

http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/08/06/...arthy-thompson/

"But given the manner in which McCarthy and Thompson have mishandled Favre’s attempt to return, some league insiders think that both men could be in danger, if the team tanks in 2008.

Said one team executive, “I can’t believe how the front office has ^&*$% up this thing. He is one of the two or three best all time players in franchise history. You can’t treat him like a piece of dirt. I would bet that this is going to end up costing a few people their jobs next January.”

http://m.si.com/news/sp/archive/detail/104...C8A.cnnsilive9i

"Green Bay general manager Ted Thompson may have mishandled this entire affair by being out of touch with Cook and virtually unreachable to Favre during the last three months."

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/2008/0...-tavern-talk-8/

"I was talking to a GM in the league today and even he was surprised that the Packers still refuse to bring in a veteran QB to back up and help Rodgers. I think it is a dangerous move and Green Bay needs to hope Rodgers can hold up. Risky business here."

Lets take these one by one.First one...how is that a source from around the league...its one guy's opinion who starts out with his bias of the "tried to bribe" him line. Funny how that "bribe" was offered to Favre before he even retired and Andrew Brandt knew about it even before he left the Packers.

First link...utter fail.

2nd one.

Hey, you found a team exec. One.

So...a pass for now.

3rd one.

"may have mishandled".

And Peter King is not "around the league".

Another utter fail.

4th link.

Not sure what you were linking to there...nothing like that in the actual article linked.

And...it was about not getting a backup...not even about the situation.

And even I said not having a backup was a mistake.

Worst fail of all.

Being generous that you actually found one...I will give you a 1-3.

Though, the one was just one exec...a far cry from your claim of how badly people around the league looked at the Packers Org.

:denial:

Just linking to writers giving an opinion is not a view of the how people around the league are viewing the organization.

What are you talking about? Where is this an opinion of a writer?...Said one team executive, “I can’t believe how the front office has &$%@* up this thing. He is one of the two or three best all time players in franchise history. You can’t treat him like a piece of dirt. I would bet that this is going to end up costing a few people their jobs next January.”

 

[Stinger Ray]

I ran across this today and forgot about it. It was a great read by Jason Whitlock

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/8422668...office-politics

The next time we think to rip Terrell Owens, Manny Ramirez or any professional athlete for an act of selfishness and defiance, we should remind ourselves of what just happened to Brett Favre.

He was overthrown in Green Bay because he tried to play nice, attempted to accommodate the very bosses who plotted his coup d'etat.

In February and early March, when Ted Thompson and Mike McCarthy pressured Favre for a retirement decision by pretending the Packers couldn't move forward without knowing Favre's 2008 status a month before the draft, four months before training camp and five months before kickoff, that's when Brett should've played the Favre-being-Favre card.

"I'm Brett Favre. I've played quarterback in Green Bay for 16 years. I don't miss games. I'll announce my 2008 plans when I'm good and ready. I'll be in Mississippi hunting and fishing. Don't call me. I'll call you."

Rather than a tearful, forced goodbye in March, long before the emotions of a heartbreaking loss to the Giants had subsided, Favre should've told Packers management that he'd earned the right to be incredibly selfish and do what's right for Brett.

But coaches, with ample assistance from the media, specialize in brainwashing athletes that they should always do what's best for the team while the organization never considers what's best for the athlete.

So Brett, in a moment of weakness, bought the b.s. that the Packers couldn't win in September unless they knew what Brett was going to do in March. Yeah, Mike McCarthy's train left last winter and it can't slow down this summer to pick up Brett Favre, a three-time league MVP, the MVP runner-up last season.

But Jon Gruden, Lovie Smith, Brad Childress and Eric Mangini were all willing to back up their trains to take on Brett Favre's baggage. The Jets plan on letting Favre power their train deep into the playoffs this season.

Someone is lying, and it's not Brett Favre, a man so media-friendly and naively transparent that he poured his heart out to Greta Van Susteren, Chris Mortensen, Peter King, Ed Werder, Wendi Nix and Oprah Winfrey.

I'm joking about Oprah. But there's still time for him to sort this whole mess out on The Couch.

If it happens, I hope I'm invited. I get the feeling Brett still hasn't put it together how Ted Thompson and Mike McCarthy ran him out of the franchise and state he owned for nearly two decades.

Thompson and McCarthy are superior at office politics. Following a 13-3 regular season and a run to the NFC Championship, they both quickly inked five-year contract extensions and decided it was the perfect time to play hardball with an iconic quarterback who spent too much time campaigning for Randy Moss rather than pointing the spotlight toward Thompson's and McCarthy's brilliance.

You've seen this on your job. It goes on in every workplace.

New bosses come in and they look for their opportunity to diminish anything that happened before they arrived and champion their hires.

Ted Thompson drafted Aaron Rodgers in 2005, and a year later while ignoring Favre's calls for Steve Mariucci, he hired McCarthy to lead the Packers.

Thompson desperately wants Rodgers to be the quarterback of the Green Bay Packers.

Thompson and McCarthy don't get credit for Brett Favre's success. And as long as Favre was in Green Bay, Thompson and McCarthy could never be viewed the way Bill Belichick and Scott Pioli or Bill Walsh and Eddie Debartolo are.

Brett Favre is going down in history by himself. Mike Holmgren and Ron Wolf will get mentions at Favre's Hall of Fame induction. Thompson and McCarthy want to write their own history, and they want to do it now while the Packers have on paper "the best young roster in the league."

So Aaron Rodgers can do no wrong in their eyes. His fragile body, weak resume and shoddy performance in a recent scrimmage can all be explained away. He's Thompson's first hire, the new employee with the freedom to do whatever the hell he wants.

I know you've seen this on your job.

Favre was completely outflanked politically inside Packers headquarters. Thompson has been laying the ground work for Favre's ouster for three years. Favre spends the offseason and every free moment bunkered in Mississippi away from the "office."

Thompson, McCarthy and team president Mark Murphy see each other and talk constantly in Green Bay. They can form a circle of jerks at anytime and tell each other how great they are. They've talked so much they really believe they're better off without Brett Favre, and they think Rodgers, with the right help, can do what Favre did a season ago.

Good luck with it. I hope it blows up in their faces.

Favre was far from perfect. But he gave everything he could to the organization for 16 straight years. He lost a battle of office politics because he tried to play the game nicely. He should've called Manny Ramirez for some advice. Manny knows how to be Manny, and being Manny got him exactly what he wanted.

 

[Pipes]

fwiw Rodgers is 7th in the NFL in passing yards and 6th in TD's. Not bad for a 1st year starter who's been playing a large chunk of the year with a bad throwing shoulder.

Yes he doesn't have the wins it seems like poor line play (both offensive and defensive), bad special teams and untimely penalties have as much if not more to do with that than the play of Rodgers. Thompson and McCarthy deserve much of the criticism for this season. They had their mulligan and better shore things up next year or they should start sending out their resumes.

 

[sho nuff]

http://www.scoresreport.com/2008/07/31/did...o-stay-retired/

"the Packers have grossly mishandled the situation."

http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/08/06/...arthy-thompson/

"But given the manner in which McCarthy and Thompson have mishandled Favre’s attempt to return, some league insiders think that both men could be in danger, if the team tanks in 2008.

Said one team executive, “I can’t believe how the front office has ^&*$% up this thing. He is one of the two or three best all time players in franchise history. You can’t treat him like a piece of dirt. I would bet that this is going to end up costing a few people their jobs next January.”

http://m.si.com/news/sp/archive/detail/104...C8A.cnnsilive9i

"Green Bay general manager Ted Thompson may have mishandled this entire affair by being out of touch with Cook and virtually unreachable to Favre during the last three months."

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/2008/0...-tavern-talk-8/

"I was talking to a GM in the league today and even he was surprised that the Packers still refuse to bring in a veteran QB to back up and help Rodgers. I think it is a dangerous move and Green Bay needs to hope Rodgers can hold up. Risky business here."

Lets take these one by one.First one...how is that a source from around the league...its one guy's opinion who starts out with his bias of the "tried to bribe" him line. Funny how that "bribe" was offered to Favre before he even retired and Andrew Brandt knew about it even before he left the Packers.

First link...utter fail.

2nd one.

Hey, you found a team exec. One.

So...a pass for now.

3rd one.

"may have mishandled".

And Peter King is not "around the league".

Another utter fail.

4th link.

Not sure what you were linking to there...nothing like that in the actual article linked.

And...it was about not getting a backup...not even about the situation.

And even I said not having a backup was a mistake.

Worst fail of all.

Being generous that you actually found one...I will give you a 1-3.

Though, the one was just one exec...a far cry from your claim of how badly people around the league looked at the Packers Org.

:denial:

Just linking to writers giving an opinion is not a view of the how people around the league are viewing the organization.

What are you talking about? Where is this an opinion of a writer?...Said one team executive, “I can’t believe how the front office has &$%@* up this thing. He is one of the two or three best all time players in franchise history. You can’t treat him like a piece of dirt. I would bet that this is going to end up costing a few people their jobs next January.”

I guess you missed where I gave him that one huh?Nice try.

 

[sho nuff]

I ran across this today and forgot about it. It was a great read by Jason Whitlock

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/8422668...office-politics

The next time we think to rip Terrell Owens, Manny Ramirez or any professional athlete for an act of selfishness and defiance, we should remind ourselves of what just happened to Brett Favre.

He was overthrown in Green Bay because he tried to play nice, attempted to accommodate the very bosses who plotted his coup d'etat.

I stopped right there.Should have stopped as soon as I saw it was Whitlock.

He tried to play nice?

Playing the whole thing out to the media, calling his boss a liar, his agent putting out trade feelers in April is playing nice?

 

[BeaverCleaver]

http://www.scoresreport.com/2008/07/31/did...o-stay-retired/

"the Packers have grossly mishandled the situation."

http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/08/06/...arthy-thompson/

"But given the manner in which McCarthy and Thompson have mishandled Favre’s attempt to return, some league insiders think that both men could be in danger, if the team tanks in 2008.

Said one team executive, “I can’t believe how the front office has ^&*$% up this thing. He is one of the two or three best all time players in franchise history. You can’t treat him like a piece of dirt. I would bet that this is going to end up costing a few people their jobs next January.”

http://m.si.com/news/sp/archive/detail/104...C8A.cnnsilive9i

"Green Bay general manager Ted Thompson may have mishandled this entire affair by being out of touch with Cook and virtually unreachable to Favre during the last three months."

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/2008/0...-tavern-talk-8/

"I was talking to a GM in the league today and even he was surprised that the Packers still refuse to bring in a veteran QB to back up and help Rodgers. I think it is a dangerous move and Green Bay needs to hope Rodgers can hold up. Risky business here."

Lets take these one by one.First one...how is that a source from around the league...its one guy's opinion who starts out with his bias of the "tried to bribe" him line. Funny how that "bribe" was offered to Favre before he even retired and Andrew Brandt knew about it even before he left the Packers.

First link...utter fail.

2nd one.

Hey, you found a team exec. One.

So...a pass for now.

3rd one.

"may have mishandled".

And Peter King is not "around the league".

Another utter fail.

4th link.

Not sure what you were linking to there...nothing like that in the actual article linked.

And...it was about not getting a backup...not even about the situation.

And even I said not having a backup was a mistake.

Worst fail of all.

Being generous that you actually found one...I will give you a 1-3.

Though, the one was just one exec...a far cry from your claim of how badly people around the league looked at the Packers Org.

:denial:

Just linking to writers giving an opinion is not a view of the how people around the league are viewing the organization.

What are you talking about? Where is this an opinion of a writer?...Said one team executive, “I can’t believe how the front office has &$%@* up this thing. He is one of the two or three best all time players in franchise history. You can’t treat him like a piece of dirt. I would bet that this is going to end up costing a few people their jobs next January.”

I guess you missed where I gave him that one huh?Nice try.

I guess you missed where you then took it back..."So, Im no longer generous...you get an 0-4 and a complete and total fail in linking anything showing they have lost alot of respect around the league."

 

[sho nuff]

In February and early March, when Ted Thompson and Mike McCarthy pressured Favre for a retirement decision by pretending the Packers couldn't move forward without knowing Favre's 2008 status a month before the draft, four months before training camp and five months before kickoff, that's when Brett should've played the Favre-being-Favre card."I'm Brett Favre. I've played quarterback in Green Bay for 16 years. I don't miss games. I'll announce my 2008 plans when I'm good and ready. I'll be in Mississippi hunting and fishing. Don't call me. I'll call you."Rather than a tearful, forced goodbye in March, long before the emotions of a heartbreaking loss to the Giants had subsided, Favre should've told Packers management that he'd earned the right to be incredibly selfish and do what's right for Brett.Someone is lying, and it's not Brett Favre, a man so media-friendly and naively transparent that he poured his heart out to Greta Van Susteren, Chris Mortensen, Peter King, Ed Werder, Wendi Nix and Oprah Winfrey.

For some reason I decided to keep going...this is where I stopped this time for god.First...they pressured him for a decision...because yes, they did have to actually prepare for a draft and a football season.Just about everyone knows this is not just a September to January sport anymore. There was no pretending...they needed to know. And only one time had he even taken close to the draft to give the decision.Next...the don't call me, Ill call you part he used there. Funny, given how people here think one phone call from Ted Thompson would have done the trick to get him to stay.Forced goodbye? Nobody forced him to say good bye in March. He did that himself.Saying Brett Favre did no lying...sorry...I don't believe that (I don't believe TT and McCarthy have not lied some too).Though, it was a break from the usual racial angles Whitlock takes.

 

[sho nuff]

http://www.scoresreport.com/2008/07/31/did...o-stay-retired/

"the Packers have grossly mishandled the situation."

http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/08/06/...arthy-thompson/

"But given the manner in which McCarthy and Thompson have mishandled Favre’s attempt to return, some league insiders think that both men could be in danger, if the team tanks in 2008.

Said one team executive, “I can’t believe how the front office has ^&*$% up this thing. He is one of the two or three best all time players in franchise history. You can’t treat him like a piece of dirt. I would bet that this is going to end up costing a few people their jobs next January.”

http://m.si.com/news/sp/archive/detail/104...C8A.cnnsilive9i

"Green Bay general manager Ted Thompson may have mishandled this entire affair by being out of touch with Cook and virtually unreachable to Favre during the last three months."

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/2008/0...-tavern-talk-8/

"I was talking to a GM in the league today and even he was surprised that the Packers still refuse to bring in a veteran QB to back up and help Rodgers. I think it is a dangerous move and Green Bay needs to hope Rodgers can hold up. Risky business here."

Lets take these one by one.First one...how is that a source from around the league...its one guy's opinion who starts out with his bias of the "tried to bribe" him line. Funny how that "bribe" was offered to Favre before he even retired and Andrew Brandt knew about it even before he left the Packers.

First link...utter fail.

2nd one.

Hey, you found a team exec. One.

So...a pass for now.

3rd one.

"may have mishandled".

And Peter King is not "around the league".

Another utter fail.

4th link.

Not sure what you were linking to there...nothing like that in the actual article linked.

And...it was about not getting a backup...not even about the situation.

And even I said not having a backup was a mistake.

Worst fail of all.

Being generous that you actually found one...I will give you a 1-3.

Though, the one was just one exec...a far cry from your claim of how badly people around the league looked at the Packers Org.

:denial:

Just linking to writers giving an opinion is not a view of the how people around the league are viewing the organization.

What are you talking about? Where is this an opinion of a writer?...Said one team executive, “I can’t believe how the front office has &$%@* up this thing. He is one of the two or three best all time players in franchise history. You can’t treat him like a piece of dirt. I would bet that this is going to end up costing a few people their jobs next January.”

I guess you missed where I gave him that one huh?Nice try.

I guess you missed where you then took it back..."So, Im no longer generous...you get an 0-4 and a complete and total fail in linking anything showing they have lost alot of respect around the league."

I took it back because it said nothing about showing them losing alot of respect around the league.Try and keep up with what is actually being said before you start arguing next time.

Maybe you and Stinger should just stick to posting after someone else posts some spin.

 

[BeaverCleaver]

In February and early March, when Ted Thompson and Mike McCarthy pressured Favre for a retirement decision by pretending the Packers couldn't move forward without knowing Favre's 2008 status a month before the draft, four months before training camp and five months before kickoff, that's when Brett should've played the Favre-being-Favre card."I'm Brett Favre. I've played quarterback in Green Bay for 16 years. I don't miss games. I'll announce my 2008 plans when I'm good and ready. I'll be in Mississippi hunting and fishing. Don't call me. I'll call you."Rather than a tearful, forced goodbye in March, long before the emotions of a heartbreaking loss to the Giants had subsided, Favre should've told Packers management that he'd earned the right to be incredibly selfish and do what's right for Brett.Someone is lying, and it's not Brett Favre, a man so media-friendly and naively transparent that he poured his heart out to Greta Van Susteren, Chris Mortensen, Peter King, Ed Werder, Wendi Nix and Oprah Winfrey.

For some reason I decided to keep going

We are not surprised at this.

 

[sho nuff]

In February and early March, when Ted Thompson and Mike McCarthy pressured Favre for a retirement decision by pretending the Packers couldn't move forward without knowing Favre's 2008 status a month before the draft, four months before training camp and five months before kickoff, that's when Brett should've played the Favre-being-Favre card."I'm Brett Favre. I've played quarterback in Green Bay for 16 years. I don't miss games. I'll announce my 2008 plans when I'm good and ready. I'll be in Mississippi hunting and fishing. Don't call me. I'll call you."Rather than a tearful, forced goodbye in March, long before the emotions of a heartbreaking loss to the Giants had subsided, Favre should've told Packers management that he'd earned the right to be incredibly selfish and do what's right for Brett.Someone is lying, and it's not Brett Favre, a man so media-friendly and naively transparent that he poured his heart out to Greta Van Susteren, Chris Mortensen, Peter King, Ed Werder, Wendi Nix and Oprah Winfrey.

For some reason I decided to keep going

We are not surprised at this.

Nor is anyone surprised you parsed my quote and had nothing of actual substance to add to the thread...just another attempted bashing of me.

 

[BeaverCleaver]

That is the correct reaction to that post.

Not even close. Do you really think the reporters are going to use names of exectuives when they make those reports or make up things like that? I provide links and yet the Favre haters still try to diminish it. Give me break. You are fooling yourself if you think those reports are not true.

I meant your eyeroll was correct. I found it humorous that people were asking for links but what they REALLY want are the names...which for the very reason you listed would be impossible to get. We've ALL read those reports of NFL insiders bashing the handling in the offseason, but I guess some people have conveniently forgotten how ridiculous the whole saga was, what with the bribing and everything. I was simply posting before all the other hangers-on could deny those reports the same as they attempted to deny Favre's return as a rumor as well. It's the predictable response from posters who would dare to question your assertation in the first place. These requests for links to common knowledge gets pretty annoying, especially when the people who are requesting the links are telegraphing their denial way ahead of time.

 

[BeaverCleaver]

In February and early March, when Ted Thompson and Mike McCarthy pressured Favre for a retirement decision by pretending the Packers couldn't move forward without knowing Favre's 2008 status a month before the draft, four months before training camp and five months before kickoff, that's when Brett should've played the Favre-being-Favre card."I'm Brett Favre. I've played quarterback in Green Bay for 16 years. I don't miss games. I'll announce my 2008 plans when I'm good and ready. I'll be in Mississippi hunting and fishing. Don't call me. I'll call you."Rather than a tearful, forced goodbye in March, long before the emotions of a heartbreaking loss to the Giants had subsided, Favre should've told Packers management that he'd earned the right to be incredibly selfish and do what's right for Brett.Someone is lying, and it's not Brett Favre, a man so media-friendly and naively transparent that he poured his heart out to Greta Van Susteren, Chris Mortensen, Peter King, Ed Werder, Wendi Nix and Oprah Winfrey.

For some reason I decided to keep going

We are not surprised at this.

just another attempted bashing of me.

You make it so fun and easy!

 

[sho nuff]

That is the correct reaction to that post.

Not even close. Do you really think the reporters are going to use names of exectuives when they make those reports or make up things like that? I provide links and yet the Favre haters still try to diminish it. Give me break. You are fooling yourself if you think those reports are not true.

I meant your eyeroll was correct. I found it humorous that people were asking for links but what they REALLY want are the names...which for the very reason you listed would be impossible to get. We've ALL read those reports of NFL insiders bashing the handling in the offseason, but I guess some people have conveniently forgotten how ridiculous the whole saga was, what with the bribing and everything. I was simply posting before all the other hangers-on could deny those reports the same as they attempted to deny Favre's return as a rumor as well. It's the predictable response from posters who would dare to question your assertation in the first place. These requests for links to common knowledge gets pretty annoying, especially when the people who are requesting the links are telegraphing their denial way ahead of time.

Other than Scotty being completely incorrect.I did not want names...I wanted any bit of substance to support Stinger's point. He failed in that big time.We read a few reports of insiders saying they mishandled it (but that is not what was stated by Stinger).The Bribing is the dumbest one out there given when it was first brought up was before the guy even retired."they" attempted to deny Favre's return. No, Scotty is referring to me. Because Favre himself claimed it was a rumor when it first came out. At the time...its all it was. Reports that he might want to return...which he himself denied.I claimed it was a rumor (factually I might add) and wanted confirmation. When the confirmation came, people went nuts on the rumor comment. This is the predictable type reply from Scotty though.And no, it is not common knowledge that the Packers organization lost alot of respect around the league.If it was so common...someone would be able to post a single link saying so.Instead...we get one quote from an NFL exec talking about how they mishandled it...2 writer's opinion...and a guy talking about a veteran backup QB.Yet the usual suspects do their usual. simply because it was a response to one of my posts.

 

[ScottyFargo]

That is the correct reaction to that post.

Not even close. Do you really think the reporters are going to use names of exectuives when they make those reports or make up things like that? I provide links and yet the Favre haters still try to diminish it. Give me break. You are fooling yourself if you think those reports are not true.

I meant your eyeroll was correct. I found it humorous that people were asking for links but what they REALLY want are the names...which for the very reason you listed would be impossible to get. We've ALL read those reports of NFL insiders bashing the handling in the offseason, but I guess some people have conveniently forgotten how ridiculous the whole saga was, what with the bribing and everything. I was simply posting before all the other hangers-on could deny those reports the same as they attempted to deny Favre's return as a rumor as well. It's the predictable response from posters who would dare to question your assertation in the first place. These requests for links to common knowledge gets pretty annoying, especially when the people who are requesting the links are telegraphing their denial way ahead of time.

Other than Scotty being completely incorrect.I did not want names...I wanted any bit of substance to support Stinger's point. He failed in that big time.We read a few reports of insiders saying they mishandled it (but that is not what was stated by Stinger).The Bribing is the dumbest one out there given when it was first brought up was before the guy even retired."they" attempted to deny Favre's return. No, Scotty is referring to me. Because Favre himself claimed it was a rumor when it first came out. At the time...its all it was. Reports that he might want to return...which he himself denied.I claimed it was a rumor (factually I might add) and wanted confirmation. When the confirmation came, people went nuts on the rumor comment. This is the predictable type reply from Scotty though.And no, it is not common knowledge that the Packers organization lost alot of respect around the league.If it was so common...someone would be able to post a single link saying so.Instead...we get one quote from an NFL exec talking about how they mishandled it...2 writer's opinion...and a guy talking about a veteran backup QB.Yet the usual suspects do their usual. simply because it was a response to one of my posts.

The situation was mishandled and it has been discussed to death in the media and executives from numerous teams were quoted anonymously throughout the offseason about what a mistake it was. You didn't miss any of them, there's no plausable deniability here. It would be impossible for the Packers FO to not lose respect with how they handled it, shamefully trying to buy Favre out of his career. Who could possibly respect that tactic?Favre has always been an egomaniac. The only people who lost their respect for Favre would be people who only realized this after he took "retiring" to the extreme this offseason. Those of us who recognized him for what he was don't begrudge him his playing time.

 

[CalBear]

This next part is unverified at this point...pulled it off another board...Id think it would keep a few of you quiet if true...but I doubt it...

In the 4th quarter of Jets games within 7 points (Jets winning by 7 or less, or losing by 7 or less), Favre's QB rating is 50 something

Instead just cue up the diminishing comments that are sure to come.

I'm using up/down by 8: Favre is 46/77 for 426 yards, with 2 TD and 3 INT in those situations, which makes his rating 67.3. Rodgers is 43/71 for 566 yards, with 3 TD and 4 INT, which makes his rating 76.4.Neither has done particularly well in those situations this year, but Rodgers has done noticeably better than Favre.

 

[zDragon]

ed part of an implosion. See I could give you the Saints and the Panthers but the fact your including the last two is just silly. Then again the Steelers just gave up 31 to the Titans who only scored 19 on the Packers. Wow guess you take offense to having your simple math questioned. What question would you like me to answer from your post attached to this?

Moran

..............

 

[zDragon]

The Packers could have taken one more shot...but if they fall short, would that have been a good thing?

And I think most would agree they would have fallen short.

There was no guarantee they could still extend Rodgers...and then you have a GM possibly extending him without seeing what he can do at all as a starter (and there would have been plenty who would bash him for that, plenty bashed him enough for extending him so early this year...eventhough it was done to eat up a good chunk of this year's cap before it went away and from that standpoint alone was a good move).

If they would have taken one more shot and fallen short, yes, I would be happy with that, and so would all the other fans that feel alienated right now. There is now a huge rift that needs to be healed for many Packer fans that did not need to be created. It is going to take time (years) for that to heal completely, and for enthusiasm for going to the games (many resellers had to dump their tickets for below face value this year) and merchandise sales to pick up again.

I guess the only good thing to come out of this is I might start moving up more than 100 spots per year on the season ticket waiting list, which might allow me to get tickets in my lifetime. But I would still prefer to have a team that was not run by the 3 stooges.

I was under the impression that the Packers front office was one of the most respected in the leauge.

They lost a lot of respect around the league for how they handled the Favre situation.

Link?

http://www.scoresreport.com/2008/07/31/did...o-stay-retired/"the Packers have grossly mishandled the situation."

http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/08/06/...arthy-thompson/

"But given the manner in which McCarthy and Thompson have mishandled Favre’s attempt to return, some league insiders think that both men could be in danger, if the team tanks in 2008.

Said one team executive, “I can’t believe how the front office has ^&*$% up this thing. He is one of the two or three best all time players in franchise history. You can’t treat him like a piece of dirt. I would bet that this is going to end up costing a few people their jobs next January.”

http://m.si.com/news/sp/archive/detail/104...C8A.cnnsilive9i

"Green Bay general manager Ted Thompson may have mishandled this entire affair by being out of touch with Cook and virtually unreachable to Favre during the last three months."

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/2008/0...-tavern-talk-8/

"I was talking to a GM in the league today and even he was surprised that the Packers still refuse to bring in a veteran QB to back up and help Rodgers. I think it is a dangerous move and Green Bay needs to hope Rodgers can hold up. Risky business here."

UNLESS YOU HAVE NAMES THESE ARE ONLY RUMORS

I'm with you on the

 

[bcr8f]

This next part is unverified at this point...pulled it off another board...Id think it would keep a few of you quiet if true...but I doubt it...

In the 4th quarter of Jets games within 7 points (Jets winning by 7 or less, or losing by 7 or less), Favre's QB rating is 50 something

Instead just cue up the diminishing comments that are sure to come.

I'm using up/down by 8: Favre is 46/77 for 426 yards, with 2 TD and 3 INT in those situations, which makes his rating 67.3. Rodgers is 43/71 for 566 yards, with 3 TD and 4 INT, which makes his rating 76.4.Neither has done particularly well in those situations this year, but Rodgers has done noticeably better than Favre.

You're right. Neither has but Rodgers is a first year player.

 

[zDragon]

That said...watching him play recently...Im not exactly sad that he is not in GB.

More sad that he even tried to come back.

Hoping for a good game against Miami so he can at least go out on a good note if he does call it quits for good this time.

As bad as the memory of his last pass against NY was...I think it might be worse to go out just looking like a shell of his former self.

You do anything you can to spin about Favre. He made the Pro Bowl this year and was one of the reasons the Jets increased to 9 wins. Yet....you still spin even though you claim you never try to diminish Favre. Almost everything you do here is somehow tied to knocking Favre. That is why you post so much...anything you see about Favre you feel you have to respond to put a negative spin on it!!!

Have you watched the guy play this year? Im not diminishing his play...he has been bad the past few weeks. He talks about his arm being sore and not having much on it (or something to that effect).Yes...he got voted into the probowl...a vote that most people feel was complete crap given how he has played recently.

Yes, he was one of the reasons they got where they did. Read the jets collapse thread...the jets fans know he was part of it...but some don't even feel he was the biggest part...and they say his play has been terrible too. I guess they are just diminishing him and are Favre haters.

You just can't take the fact that Brett is not playing well right now. It burns you up that this thread is alive and well because the decision at this point, based on Favre's play, looks like the right one.

Almost everything I do is tied to knocking him? Not at all. In this thread it has been about Favre vs. Rodgers...so yes, negative things about Favre's play are going to come up.

But his play in recent weeks has been bad...some of the worst of his career. At least in 2005 he was playing bad, but trying to do too much on his own because of injuries to his WRs and RBs and he needed to go for it far more. He has more support now. Some of its poor coaching in NY...some of it is Brett being wreckless and at 39 he may just not be able to do as much as he thought he could.

Sorry you can't see that and just think its to diminish him.

As I have posted, I hope if he is going to retire for good, that he has a good game Sunday and goes out looking like the Brett of old rather than how he has looked the past several weeks.

You stated "a vote that most people feel was complete crap given how he has played recently." about the pro-bowl vote. Can you link or show where this is fact? To me the fact he was voted into the pro-bowl shows most people feel he deserves it.Just going to ignore the rest of the junk you wrote.

Can I link it?Just look around...read the threads here...read the numerous articles stating the same thing...listen to nearly any talk radio.

You can keep asking...but most around here and on the radio and in articles have mirrored my thought.

Do you feel Favre deserved to be in? Quit bringing up the vote and tell me...do you believe he deserved to be in?

Lets see looking around.......see nothing.....oh wait pro-bowl voters voted him in. Threads here yeah right.

Once again with your numbers...most around here. What do you consider most 90% or higher. So I'll assume you live in Wisconsin. So you have talked to most of the 5,000,000 or so people that live in the state and they agree with you. I could assume wrong and you mean the US. Your one busy man.

Weren't you the one knocking "The fan" who happened to have a radio show earlier. Now you want me to listen to him? Truth fully I've heard both sides on our radio and no serious ragging on the decision of the "VOTERS".

Why are you trying to steer the discussion away from your fabricated statement? Why would I stop bringing up the Vote when it shows that most do not agree with you. If they did he would not have been voted into the Pro-bowl right? Show me another large sampling that proves otherwise.

 

[zDragon]

Mason Crosby was a much better kicker when Favre was there...they should have kept Favre!

Rodgers and McCarthy both agree that the QB blew it, not the kicker

The game might not have come down to Crosby's kick had the Packers cashed in on a first-and-goal from the Chicago 5-yard line earlier in the fourth quarter, when Rodgers didn't see a wide-open Donald Lee in the right corner of the end zone and threw incomplete to the opposite side.

Asked if he should have seen Lee, McCarthy replied, "Yes."

"I didn't see him," Rodgers said. "Looked for him, couldn't see him. You throw a touchdown there — by the look on his face as he ran off the field, he was wide open — that puts us up by 11, a two-score game. Disappointing."

Rodgers was taken down for a 5-yard loss on the next play, then threw incomplete on third down, forcing the Packers to settle for a 28-yard Crosby field goal to make it 17-10 with 12:58 left.

"Offensively we didn't cash in on our opportunities. You have to get touchdowns when it's first-and-goal," Rodgers said. "I mean, the amount of yards we put up and the efficiency with which we moved the ball, we've got to get more points than 17. ... We didn't score enough points on offense to win the game."

Here is something too that really pisses me off about McCarthy.... this is from JSOnline today

The Packers forced the Bears into third and 9, but a flat pass to Matt Forte gained 14 when McCarthy said linebacker A.J. Hawk was picked.

WTF is McCarthy talking about? Hawk slipped on that play and I didn't see a pick? He needs to stop making excuses for his team!

Yes, Rodgers shares some blame...can't always see every guy and no guarantees Lee catches it either.But nowhere do they just say Rodgers was to blame...that is classic spin by HK.

I would not say he was picked...he was rubbed by his own guy I think before making the turn and slipping and was out of position on the play.

Knew you could spin it. Good job.

I don't think you understand the word spin.The point is...Rodgers did not see him. Can't see every guy all the time. It was a mistake and a bad one.

Sorry you don't like that.

Lets see start with an insult. Guess I should have expected it since I don't agree with you.Interesting the coach disagrees with you on that point. Then again he's only the coach of the team and knows exactly what was called, how it should have been run, and has a team of people telling him. No way he would have more insight on that play.

Start with an insult?I stated you don't seem to understand the word.

Its not an insult...its an observation based on you calling what I said spin.

The coach disagrees with me? Link to the coach stating he should see him every time or hit the guy every time?

He stated he did not see him...it was his first read and he missed it. As I said, it was a mistake and a bad one.

You are again full of it.

So instead of beginning with an insult you end with one nice. Lets see Rodgers makes a mistake but to you it doesn't matter because lee might not have caught it anyway. See how you continue to move any type of blame from Rodgers. RODGERS failed inside the red zone as the coach states. You try to marginalize it.

 

[zDragon]

I think the Packers would be 5-10 or worse if Favre was still there. It's ridiculous blaming Rodgers for all this and thinking Favre would have made a difference, especially since Rodgers has played MUCH better than Favre this year.

You do understand they are in two different systems and have different experience levels in each.Favre is new to the system he is playing in and has to learn the system and get more of it on the fly. Rodgers has practiced and played in the Packers system for what 3 years now? Big difference so comparing the two's output just on that level alone isn't very productive.

This is pure spin...you whine about me spinning.But Favre is a 15 year vet...its week 17 coming up...when will the new system excuse be played out? He has been in the system for quite some time now...its time to give it up.No system out there is it ok for a QB to throw off his backfoot, across his body like Favre tried the other day. That was great when he was younger...not so much now. That...and for all the flack Rodgers has taken about holding the ball too long...did you see Favre in Seattle?Comparing a 1st year starter to a 15 year vet...the new system thing is pretty much a wash IMO.And Brett is a 3 time MVP... I think at this point he should be able to pick up a new system pretty quick and should not need the rest of you to make excuses for his poor play.

You just showed you lack of football knowledge and how the offensive systems are put in and work.

You claim me saying I don't think you know the meaning of the word spin is an insult...but come back with this one?No, I think some of you make Favre to be so much...his leadership and experience means so much.But after 16 weeks are still making excuses for the guy playing poorly.Its completely ridiculous.

No I was stating a fact. You showed a lack of football knowledge in the statement especially at the NFL level.What on earth does learning a new system have to do with the leadership stuff again? Once again trying to move the conversation away from the original point.Once again your just showing a lack of football knowledge and what it takes to put in a full offensive or defensive system if you think a QB goes in and learns a completely new system right out of the box. Sure he knows more of it but nothing like he did the GB system or Rodgers being in the GB system for 3 years. The difference between being a vet and semi-rookie is how you execute the parts of the system you know.

 

[zDragon]

http://www.scoresreport.com/2008/07/31/did...o-stay-retired/

"the Packers have grossly mishandled the situation."

http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/08/06/...arthy-thompson/

"But given the manner in which McCarthy and Thompson have mishandled Favre’s attempt to return, some league insiders think that both men could be in danger, if the team tanks in 2008.

Said one team executive, “I can’t believe how the front office has ^&*$% up this thing. He is one of the two or three best all time players in franchise history. You can’t treat him like a piece of dirt. I would bet that this is going to end up costing a few people their jobs next January.”

http://m.si.com/news/sp/archive/detail/104...C8A.cnnsilive9i

"Green Bay general manager Ted Thompson may have mishandled this entire affair by being out of touch with Cook and virtually unreachable to Favre during the last three months."

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/2008/0...-tavern-talk-8/

"I was talking to a GM in the league today and even he was surprised that the Packers still refuse to bring in a veteran QB to back up and help Rodgers. I think it is a dangerous move and Green Bay needs to hope Rodgers can hold up. Risky business here."

Lets take these one by one.First one...how is that a source from around the league...its one guy's opinion who starts out with his bias of the "tried to bribe" him line. Funny how that "bribe" was offered to Favre before he even retired and Andrew Brandt knew about it even before he left the Packers.

First link...utter fail.

2nd one.

Hey, you found a team exec. One.

So...a pass for now.

3rd one.

"may have mishandled".

And Peter King is not "around the league".

Another utter fail.

4th link.

Not sure what you were linking to there...nothing like that in the actual article linked.

And...it was about not getting a backup...not even about the situation.

And even I said not having a backup was a mistake.

Worst fail of all.

Being generous that you actually found one...I will give you a 1-3.

Though, the one was just one exec...a far cry from your claim of how badly people around the league looked at the Packers Org.

So these guys are less reliable than looking around...threads in this forum...or radio?

 

[BeaverCleaver]

This next part is unverified at this point...pulled it off another board...Id think it would keep a few of you quiet if true...but I doubt it...

In the 4th quarter of Jets games within 7 points (Jets winning by 7 or less, or losing by 7 or less), Favre's QB rating is 50 something

Instead just cue up the diminishing comments that are sure to come.

I'm using up/down by 8: Favre is 46/77 for 426 yards, with 2 TD and 3 INT in those situations, which makes his rating 67.3. Rodgers is 43/71 for 566 yards, with 3 TD and 4 INT, which makes his rating 76.4.Neither has done particularly well in those situations this year, but Rodgers has done noticeably better than Favre.

You're right. Neither has but Rodgers is a first year player.

This is his 4th year with the Packers.

 

[BeaverCleaver]

That is the correct reaction to that post.

Not even close. Do you really think the reporters are going to use names of exectuives when they make those reports or make up things like that? I provide links and yet the Favre haters still try to diminish it. Give me break. You are fooling yourself if you think those reports are not true.

I meant your eyeroll was correct. I found it humorous that people were asking for links but what they REALLY want are the names...which for the very reason you listed would be impossible to get. We've ALL read those reports of NFL insiders bashing the handling in the offseason, but I guess some people have conveniently forgotten how ridiculous the whole saga was, what with the bribing and everything. I was simply posting before all the other hangers-on could deny those reports the same as they attempted to deny Favre's return as a rumor as well. It's the predictable response from posters who would dare to question your assertation in the first place. These requests for links to common knowledge gets pretty annoying, especially when the people who are requesting the links are telegraphing their denial way ahead of time.

Other than Scotty being completely incorrect.I did not want names...I wanted any bit of substance to support Stinger's point. He failed in that big time.We read a few reports of insiders saying they mishandled it (but that is not what was stated by Stinger).The Bribing is the dumbest one out there given when it was first brought up was before the guy even retired."they" attempted to deny Favre's return. No, Scotty is referring to me. Because Favre himself claimed it was a rumor when it first came out. At the time...its all it was. Reports that he might want to return...which he himself denied.I claimed it was a rumor (factually I might add) and wanted confirmation. When the confirmation came, people went nuts on the rumor comment. This is the predictable type reply from Scotty though.And no, it is not common knowledge that the Packers organization lost alot of respect around the league.If it was so common...someone would be able to post a single link saying so.Instead...we get one quote from an NFL exec talking about how they mishandled it...2 writer's opinion...and a guy talking about a veteran backup QB.Yet the usual suspects do their usual. simply because it was a response to one of my posts.

I guess you will dismiss the rant that Terry Bradshaw had on the FOX pregame show about Thompson and the mistake they made by running Favre out of Green Bay.

 

[zDragon]

Umm...if you take away the 2 missed FGs...they would have had 2 wins in crunch time with drives the offense did lead.They would count as much as Favre and the Jets win against Buffalo and Indy's win a few weeks ago where the defense pulled the victory.And if you come up with Rodgers had nothing to do with it...we surely know you are full of it.

In the Minnesota game, Rodgers was given the ball at their own 41 with 2:15 left. He moved them 23 yards in 1:44. Getting them in position for a 50 plus yard FG is hardly impressive at all. The play-calling was a bit too conservative, but that probably had a lot to do with how ineffective Rodgers and the passing game had been for most of the day. In the Chicago game, thanks to a great special teams return and a bad penalty by the Bears, they started with the ball at the Chicago 35 with 3:05 left. Rodgers moved them a whole 15 yards in 2:40. Real impressive! Face it: He has sucked in crunch time this year, and the numbers quite clearly demonstrate that. You won't admit it, but they are there for everyone to see. Later.

That's the defenses fault. If they had gotten the ball to him on the 10 no way they don't score. A few picks would have helped also. Don't forget coaching. Oh yeah, don't forget the Special Teams was supposed to return the ball to inside the 10. Like I said earlier no way they don't score from there.

So you think defense was great all game?Special teams too?Do you put any blame anywhere but on Rodgers?

You left out the coaching excuse also that is used a lot to. Please don't forget it.Meh. They missed a few tackles but played pretty well for the conditions.

 

[BeaverCleaver]

Mason Crosby was a much better kicker when Favre was there...they should have kept Favre!

Rodgers and McCarthy both agree that the QB blew it, not the kicker

The game might not have come down to Crosby's kick had the Packers cashed in on a first-and-goal from the Chicago 5-yard line earlier in the fourth quarter, when Rodgers didn't see a wide-open Donald Lee in the right corner of the end zone and threw incomplete to the opposite side.

Asked if he should have seen Lee, McCarthy replied, "Yes."

"I didn't see him," Rodgers said. "Looked for him, couldn't see him. You throw a touchdown there — by the look on his face as he ran off the field, he was wide open — that puts us up by 11, a two-score game. Disappointing."

Rodgers was taken down for a 5-yard loss on the next play, then threw incomplete on third down, forcing the Packers to settle for a 28-yard Crosby field goal to make it 17-10 with 12:58 left.

"Offensively we didn't cash in on our opportunities. You have to get touchdowns when it's first-and-goal," Rodgers said. "I mean, the amount of yards we put up and the efficiency with which we moved the ball, we've got to get more points than 17. ... We didn't score enough points on offense to win the game."

Here is something too that really pisses me off about McCarthy.... this is from JSOnline today

The Packers forced the Bears into third and 9, but a flat pass to Matt Forte gained 14 when McCarthy said linebacker A.J. Hawk was picked.

WTF is McCarthy talking about? Hawk slipped on that play and I didn't see a pick? He needs to stop making excuses for his team!

Yes, Rodgers shares some blame...can't always see every guy and no guarantees Lee catches it either.But nowhere do they just say Rodgers was to blame...that is classic spin by HK.

I would not say he was picked...he was rubbed by his own guy I think before making the turn and slipping and was out of position on the play.

Knew you could spin it. Good job.

I don't think you understand the word spin.The point is...Rodgers did not see him. Can't see every guy all the time. It was a mistake and a bad one.

Sorry you don't like that.

Lets see start with an insult. Guess I should have expected it since I don't agree with you.Interesting the coach disagrees with you on that point. Then again he's only the coach of the team and knows exactly what was called, how it should have been run, and has a team of people telling him. No way he would have more insight on that play.

You are again full of it.

 

[zDragon]

The Packers could have taken one more shot...but if they fall short, would that have been a good thing?

And I think most would agree they would have fallen short.

There was no guarantee they could still extend Rodgers...and then you have a GM possibly extending him without seeing what he can do at all as a starter (and there would have been plenty who would bash him for that, plenty bashed him enough for extending him so early this year...eventhough it was done to eat up a good chunk of this year's cap before it went away and from that standpoint alone was a good move).

If they would have taken one more shot and fallen short, yes, I would be happy with that, and so would all the other fans that feel alienated right now. There is now a huge rift that needs to be healed for many Packer fans that did not need to be created. It is going to take time (years) for that to heal completely, and for enthusiasm for going to the games (many resellers had to dump their tickets for below face value this year) and merchandise sales to pick up again.

I guess the only good thing to come out of this is I might start moving up more than 100 spots per year on the season ticket waiting list, which might allow me to get tickets in my lifetime. But I would still prefer to have a team that was not run by the 3 stooges.

I was under the impression that the Packers front office was one of the most respected in the leauge.

They lost a lot of respect around the league for how they handled the Favre situation.

Link?

Agreed, I expect most of the league thinks the Packers handled the Favre situation pretty well and probably sympathizes with the position GB's mgmt was placed in by Favre's retirement reversal.If GB hadn't had to handle Favre with kid gloves due to his iconic status, they just could have told him to enjoy his retirement and changed the phone number when he decided he wanted to un-retire.

Im sure some around the league did not like it...but others actually in the league (and that is what I am trying to separate...the difference between the league and the fans). IMO, Stinger and others are stuck more on the fan reaction.

Care to post some facts to support this? Maybe a link like you requested earlier?

You want me to link to articles not existing?You have got to be kidding with this...seriously...get a grip...and grow up.

Why wouldn't they exist as at least anonymous sources? I see it going the other way. Interesting you can't find any.What that you trying to make it look like your view is from the league and everyone else just the fans?

So now the insult is I need to grow up. Nice, keep'em coming.

 

[zDragon]

http://www.scoresreport.com/2008/07/31/did...o-stay-retired/

"the Packers have grossly mishandled the situation."

http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/08/06/...arthy-thompson/

"But given the manner in which McCarthy and Thompson have mishandled Favre’s attempt to return, some league insiders think that both men could be in danger, if the team tanks in 2008.

Said one team executive, “I can’t believe how the front office has ^&*$% up this thing. He is one of the two or three best all time players in franchise history. You can’t treat him like a piece of dirt. I would bet that this is going to end up costing a few people their jobs next January.”

http://m.si.com/news/sp/archive/detail/104...C8A.cnnsilive9i

"Green Bay general manager Ted Thompson may have mishandled this entire affair by being out of touch with Cook and virtually unreachable to Favre during the last three months."

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/2008/0...-tavern-talk-8/

"I was talking to a GM in the league today and even he was surprised that the Packers still refuse to bring in a veteran QB to back up and help Rodgers. I think it is a dangerous move and Green Bay needs to hope Rodgers can hold up. Risky business here."

Lets take these one by one.First one...how is that a source from around the league...its one guy's opinion who starts out with his bias of the "tried to bribe" him line. Funny how that "bribe" was offered to Favre before he even retired and Andrew Brandt knew about it even before he left the Packers.

First link...utter fail.

2nd one.

Hey, you found a team exec. One.

So...a pass for now.

3rd one.

"may have mishandled".

And Peter King is not "around the league".

Another utter fail.

4th link.

Not sure what you were linking to there...nothing like that in the actual article linked.

And...it was about not getting a backup...not even about the situation.

And even I said not having a backup was a mistake.

Worst fail of all.

Being generous that you actually found one...I will give you a 1-3.

Though, the one was just one exec...a far cry from your claim of how badly people around the league looked at the Packers Org.

Wrong....you missed this part.."But given the manner in which McCarthy and Thompson have mishandled Favre’s attempt to return, some league insiders think that both men could be in danger, if the team tanks in 2008.

That is more than one, sho.... but you just keep being in denial about this.

I'm waiting for the evidence of the other side from Sho. Should be nice to see both side of the story from the league perspective.

 

[zDragon]

I think the Packers would be 5-10 or worse if Favre was still there. It's ridiculous blaming Rodgers for all this and thinking Favre would have made a difference, especially since Rodgers has played MUCH better than Favre this year.

You do understand they are in two different systems and have different experience levels in each.Favre is new to the system he is playing in and has to learn the system and get more of it on the fly. Rodgers has practiced and played in the Packers system for what 3 years now? Big difference so comparing the two's output just on that level alone isn't very productive.

This is pure spin...you whine about me spinning.But Favre is a 15 year vet...its week 17 coming up...when will the new system excuse be played out? He has been in the system for quite some time now...its time to give it up.No system out there is it ok for a QB to throw off his backfoot, across his body like Favre tried the other day. That was great when he was younger...not so much now. That...and for all the flack Rodgers has taken about holding the ball too long...did you see Favre in Seattle?Comparing a 1st year starter to a 15 year vet...the new system thing is pretty much a wash IMO.And Brett is a 3 time MVP... I think at this point he should be able to pick up a new system pretty quick and should not need the rest of you to make excuses for his poor play.

You just showed you lack of football knowledge and how the offensive systems are put in and work.

No, I think some of you make Favre to be so much...his leadership and experience means so much.

His leadership and experience did mean a lot to the Packers and that is one reasons that young team went 13-3 last year.Now you can't get back to doing everything you can to diminish Favre.

Sure...it was a reason, never have I denied this.The point remains...that continuing to make excuses for a 15 year vet not grasping the offense yet.When exactly will he get that throwing a duck off your back foot across your body and across the field is not a good thing?

You do not appear to understand what goes into putting an offensive system in takes. That's fine nothing wrong with that. Since when is learning an offensive system related to throwing a duck off your back foot? You realize the difference correct?

 

[zDragon]

http://www.scoresreport.com/2008/07/31/did...o-stay-retired/

"the Packers have grossly mishandled the situation."

http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/08/06/...arthy-thompson/

"But given the manner in which McCarthy and Thompson have mishandled Favre’s attempt to return, some league insiders think that both men could be in danger, if the team tanks in 2008.

Said one team executive, “I can’t believe how the front office has ^&*$% up this thing. He is one of the two or three best all time players in franchise history. You can’t treat him like a piece of dirt. I would bet that this is going to end up costing a few people their jobs next January.”

http://m.si.com/news/sp/archive/detail/104...C8A.cnnsilive9i

"Green Bay general manager Ted Thompson may have mishandled this entire affair by being out of touch with Cook and virtually unreachable to Favre during the last three months."

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/2008/0...-tavern-talk-8/

"I was talking to a GM in the league today and even he was surprised that the Packers still refuse to bring in a veteran QB to back up and help Rodgers. I think it is a dangerous move and Green Bay needs to hope Rodgers can hold up. Risky business here."

Lets take these one by one.First one...how is that a source from around the league...its one guy's opinion who starts out with his bias of the "tried to bribe" him line. Funny how that "bribe" was offered to Favre before he even retired and Andrew Brandt knew about it even before he left the Packers.

First link...utter fail.

2nd one.

Hey, you found a team exec. One.

So...a pass for now.

3rd one.

"may have mishandled".

And Peter King is not "around the league".

Another utter fail.

4th link.

Not sure what you were linking to there...nothing like that in the actual article linked.

And...it was about not getting a backup...not even about the situation.

And even I said not having a backup was a mistake.

Worst fail of all.

Being generous that you actually found one...I will give you a 1-3.

Though, the one was just one exec...a far cry from your claim of how badly people around the league looked at the Packers Org.

Wrong....you missed this part.."But given the manner in which McCarthy and Thompson have mishandled Favre’s attempt to return, some league insiders think that both men could be in danger, if the team tanks in 2008.

That is more than one, sho.... but you just keep being in denial about this.

Like I said...I give you one out of 3.Thinking they mishandled it is also far and away from your original claim that they lost alot of respect around the league.

Even saying they mishandled it is not saying they lost alot of respect around the league.

So, Im no longer generous...you get an 0-4 and a complete and total fail in linking anything showing they have lost alot of respect around the league.

Please try again...no, better yet...please save us all the ridiculous spin you are about to bring.

So I see you still have not posted any useful information supporting your side.

 

[BeaverCleaver]

Here is a flaw with the anti-Favre crowd on trying to use his numbers with the Jets to state the Packers wouldn't have been better with him especially those clowns that think the Packers would have a WORSE record with Favre.

If Thompson wanted Favre back and Favre knew that he would have been able to workout and train in the offseason so he would be more prepared to make it through the season.

And again....it is common knowledge that Thompson DID NOT WANT FAVRE BACK so don't try and spin that.

 

[zDragon]

This next part is unverified at this point...pulled it off another board...Id think it would keep a few of you quiet if true...but I doubt it...

In the 4th quarter of Jets games within 7 points (Jets winning by 7 or less, or losing by 7 or less), Favre's QB rating is 50 something

Instead just cue up the diminishing comments that are sure to come.

And you knock other people sources.I think everyone knows Favre has struggled lately and is an old man. Isn't that still a higher ranking than what they posted for Rodgers this week on MNF?

 

[zDragon]

http://www.scoresreport.com/2008/07/31/did...o-stay-retired/

"the Packers have grossly mishandled the situation."

http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/08/06/...arthy-thompson/

"But given the manner in which McCarthy and Thompson have mishandled Favre’s attempt to return, some league insiders think that both men could be in danger, if the team tanks in 2008.

Said one team executive, “I can’t believe how the front office has ^&*$% up this thing. He is one of the two or three best all time players in franchise history. You can’t treat him like a piece of dirt. I would bet that this is going to end up costing a few people their jobs next January.”

http://m.si.com/news/sp/archive/detail/104...C8A.cnnsilive9i

"Green Bay general manager Ted Thompson may have mishandled this entire affair by being out of touch with Cook and virtually unreachable to Favre during the last three months."

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/2008/0...-tavern-talk-8/

"I was talking to a GM in the league today and even he was surprised that the Packers still refuse to bring in a veteran QB to back up and help Rodgers. I think it is a dangerous move and Green Bay needs to hope Rodgers can hold up. Risky business here."

Lets take these one by one.First one...how is that a source from around the league...its one guy's opinion who starts out with his bias of the "tried to bribe" him line. Funny how that "bribe" was offered to Favre before he even retired and Andrew Brandt knew about it even before he left the Packers.

First link...utter fail.

2nd one.

Hey, you found a team exec. One.

So...a pass for now.

3rd one.

"may have mishandled".

And Peter King is not "around the league".

Another utter fail.

4th link.

Not sure what you were linking to there...nothing like that in the actual article linked.

And...it was about not getting a backup...not even about the situation.

And even I said not having a backup was a mistake.

Worst fail of all.

Being generous that you actually found one...I will give you a 1-3.

Though, the one was just one exec...a far cry from your claim of how badly people around the league looked at the Packers Org.

Wrong....you missed this part.."But given the manner in which McCarthy and Thompson have mishandled Favre’s attempt to return, some league insiders think that both men could be in danger, if the team tanks in 2008.

That is more than one, sho.... but you just keep being in denial about this.

Like I said...I give you one out of 3.Thinking they mishandled it is also far and away from your original claim that they lost alot of respect around the league.

Even saying they mishandled it is not saying they lost alot of respect around the league.

So, Im no longer generous...you get an 0-4 and a complete and total fail in linking anything showing they have lost alot of respect around the league.

Please try again...no, better yet...please save us all the ridiculous spin you are about to bring.

I think Favre lost more respect than GB did.What an egomaniac.

If that's the case why we he be voted into the Pro-bowl only on his name alone as some have suggested. If he truly lost more respect than GB did wouldn't fans NOT want him in the Pro-bowl?

 

[zDragon]

http://www.scoresreport.com/2008/07/31/did...o-stay-retired/

"the Packers have grossly mishandled the situation."

http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/08/06/...arthy-thompson/

"But given the manner in which McCarthy and Thompson have mishandled Favre’s attempt to return, some league insiders think that both men could be in danger, if the team tanks in 2008.

Said one team executive, “I can’t believe how the front office has ^&*$% up this thing. He is one of the two or three best all time players in franchise history. You can’t treat him like a piece of dirt. I would bet that this is going to end up costing a few people their jobs next January.”

http://m.si.com/news/sp/archive/detail/104...C8A.cnnsilive9i

"Green Bay general manager Ted Thompson may have mishandled this entire affair by being out of touch with Cook and virtually unreachable to Favre during the last three months."

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/2008/0...-tavern-talk-8/

"I was talking to a GM in the league today and even he was surprised that the Packers still refuse to bring in a veteran QB to back up and help Rodgers. I think it is a dangerous move and Green Bay needs to hope Rodgers can hold up. Risky business here."

Lets take these one by one.First one...how is that a source from around the league...its one guy's opinion who starts out with his bias of the "tried to bribe" him line. Funny how that "bribe" was offered to Favre before he even retired and Andrew Brandt knew about it even before he left the Packers.

First link...utter fail.

2nd one.

Hey, you found a team exec. One.

So...a pass for now.

3rd one.

"may have mishandled".

And Peter King is not "around the league".

Another utter fail.

4th link.

Not sure what you were linking to there...nothing like that in the actual article linked.

And...it was about not getting a backup...not even about the situation.

And even I said not having a backup was a mistake.

Worst fail of all.

Being generous that you actually found one...I will give you a 1-3.

Though, the one was just one exec...a far cry from your claim of how badly people around the league looked at the Packers Org.

Wrong....you missed this part.."But given the manner in which McCarthy and Thompson have mishandled Favre’s attempt to return, some league insiders think that both men could be in danger, if the team tanks in 2008.

That is more than one, sho.... but you just keep being in denial about this.

Like I said...I give you one out of 3.Thinking they mishandled it is also far and away from your original claim that they lost alot of respect around the league.

Even saying they mishandled it is not saying they lost alot of respect around the league.

So, Im no longer generous...you get an 0-4 and a complete and total fail in linking anything showing they have lost alot of respect around the league.

Please try again...no, better yet...please save us all the ridiculous spin you are about to bring.

I think Favre lost more respect than GB did.What an egomaniac.

Favre haters thinks that. Rational people do not.

Let us know when you or anyone agreeing with you in this thread begin to be rational people.

I'll point to the Pro-bowl vote again as proof that Favre did not lose the respect most claim. Otherwise he would not be in on name alone. If he did lose respect then the voters put him in on his achievements on the field.

 

[zDragon]

Favre haters thinks that. Rational people do not.

The word rational should not enter this thread. There isn't much rational thought coming from either side at this point with the Roger's haters being ahead down the backstretch by half a link on the mind numbing drivel being spewed about.

Where are those of us who really don't care one way or the other?

 

[zDragon]

That is the correct reaction to that post.

Not even close. Do you really think the reporters are going to use names of exectuives when they make those reports or make up things like that? I provide links and yet the Favre haters still try to diminish it. Give me break. You are fooling yourself if you think those reports are not true.

I meant your eyeroll was correct. I found it humorous that people were asking for links but what they REALLY want are the names...which for the very reason you listed would be impossible to get. We've ALL read those reports of NFL insiders bashing the handling in the offseason, but I guess some people have conveniently forgotten how ridiculous the whole saga was, what with the bribing and everything. I was simply posting before all the other hangers-on could deny those reports the same as they attempted to deny Favre's return as a rumor as well. It's the predictable response from posters who would dare to question your assertation in the first place. These requests for links to common knowledge gets pretty annoying, especially when the people who are requesting the links are telegraphing their denial way ahead of time.

Other than Scotty being completely incorrect.I did not want names...I wanted any bit of substance to support Stinger's point. He failed in that big time.We read a few reports of insiders saying they mishandled it (but that is not what was stated by Stinger).The Bribing is the dumbest one out there given when it was first brought up was before the guy even retired."they" attempted to deny Favre's return. No, Scotty is referring to me. Because Favre himself claimed it was a rumor when it first came out. At the time...its all it was. Reports that he might want to return...which he himself denied.I claimed it was a rumor (factually I might add) and wanted confirmation. When the confirmation came, people went nuts on the rumor comment. This is the predictable type reply from Scotty though.And no, it is not common knowledge that the Packers organization lost alot of respect around the league.If it was so common...someone would be able to post a single link saying so.Instead...we get one quote from an NFL exec talking about how they mishandled it...2 writer's opinion...and a guy talking about a veteran backup QB.Yet the usual suspects do their usual. simply because it was a response to one of my posts.

Where's your link to support they have not? I say the evidence given shows that your on the wrong side on this one.

 

[BeaverCleaver]

http://www.scoresreport.com/2008/07/31/did...o-stay-retired/

"the Packers have grossly mishandled the situation."

http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/08/06/...arthy-thompson/

"But given the manner in which McCarthy and Thompson have mishandled Favre’s attempt to return, some league insiders think that both men could be in danger, if the team tanks in 2008.

Said one team executive, “I can’t believe how the front office has ^&*$% up this thing. He is one of the two or three best all time players in franchise history. You can’t treat him like a piece of dirt. I would bet that this is going to end up costing a few people their jobs next January.”

http://m.si.com/news/sp/archive/detail/104...C8A.cnnsilive9i

"Green Bay general manager Ted Thompson may have mishandled this entire affair by being out of touch with Cook and virtually unreachable to Favre during the last three months."

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/2008/0...-tavern-talk-8/

"I was talking to a GM in the league today and even he was surprised that the Packers still refuse to bring in a veteran QB to back up and help Rodgers. I think it is a dangerous move and Green Bay needs to hope Rodgers can hold up. Risky business here."

Lets take these one by one.First one...how is that a source from around the league...its one guy's opinion who starts out with his bias of the "tried to bribe" him line. Funny how that "bribe" was offered to Favre before he even retired and Andrew Brandt knew about it even before he left the Packers.

First link...utter fail.

2nd one.

Hey, you found a team exec. One.

So...a pass for now.

3rd one.

"may have mishandled".

And Peter King is not "around the league".

Another utter fail.

4th link.

Not sure what you were linking to there...nothing like that in the actual article linked.

And...it was about not getting a backup...not even about the situation.

And even I said not having a backup was a mistake.

Worst fail of all.

Being generous that you actually found one...I will give you a 1-3.

Though, the one was just one exec...a far cry from your claim of how badly people around the league looked at the Packers Org.

Wrong....you missed this part.."But given the manner in which McCarthy and Thompson have mishandled Favre’s attempt to return, some league insiders think that both men could be in danger, if the team tanks in 2008.

That is more than one, sho.... but you just keep being in denial about this.

Like I said...I give you one out of 3.Thinking they mishandled it is also far and away from your original claim that they lost alot of respect around the league.

Even saying they mishandled it is not saying they lost alot of respect around the league.

So, Im no longer generous...you get an 0-4 and a complete and total fail in linking anything showing they have lost alot of respect around the league.

Please try again...no, better yet...please save us all the ridiculous spin you are about to bring.

I think Favre lost more respect than GB did.What an egomaniac.

If that's the case why we he be voted into the Pro-bowl only on his name alone as some have suggested. If he truly lost more respect than GB did wouldn't fans NOT want him in the Pro-bowl?

 

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[Mario Kart]

ed part of an implosion. See I could give you the Saints and the Panthers but the fact your including the last two is just silly. Then again the Steelers just gave up 31 to the Titans who only scored 19 on the Packers. Wow guess you take offense to having your simple math questioned. What question would you like me to answer from your post attached to this?

Moran

If this was meant to be "moron" than that is definitely not being excellent on the eve of a great holy day. If this was meant to be "moran" as spelled... what does it mean?

 

[Mario Kart]

I think Favre lost more respect than GB did.What an egomaniac.

No chance.

 

[sho nuff]

That is the correct reaction to that post.

Not even close. Do you really think the reporters are going to use names of exectuives when they make those reports or make up things like that? I provide links and yet the Favre haters still try to diminish it. Give me break. You are fooling yourself if you think those reports are not true.

I meant your eyeroll was correct. I found it humorous that people were asking for links but what they REALLY want are the names...which for the very reason you listed would be impossible to get. We've ALL read those reports of NFL insiders bashing the handling in the offseason, but I guess some people have conveniently forgotten how ridiculous the whole saga was, what with the bribing and everything. I was simply posting before all the other hangers-on could deny those reports the same as they attempted to deny Favre's return as a rumor as well. It's the predictable response from posters who would dare to question your assertation in the first place. These requests for links to common knowledge gets pretty annoying, especially when the people who are requesting the links are telegraphing their denial way ahead of time.

Other than Scotty being completely incorrect.I did not want names...I wanted any bit of substance to support Stinger's point. He failed in that big time.We read a few reports of insiders saying they mishandled it (but that is not what was stated by Stinger).The Bribing is the dumbest one out there given when it was first brought up was before the guy even retired."they" attempted to deny Favre's return. No, Scotty is referring to me. Because Favre himself claimed it was a rumor when it first came out. At the time...its all it was. Reports that he might want to return...which he himself denied.I claimed it was a rumor (factually I might add) and wanted confirmation. When the confirmation came, people went nuts on the rumor comment. This is the predictable type reply from Scotty though.And no, it is not common knowledge that the Packers organization lost alot of respect around the league.If it was so common...someone would be able to post a single link saying so.Instead...we get one quote from an NFL exec talking about how they mishandled it...2 writer's opinion...and a guy talking about a veteran backup QB.Yet the usual suspects do their usual. simply because it was a response to one of my posts.

The situation was mishandled and it has been discussed to death in the media and executives from numerous teams were quoted anonymously throughout the offseason about what a mistake it was. You didn't miss any of them, there's no plausable deniability here. It would be impossible for the Packers FO to not lose respect with how they handled it, shamefully trying to buy Favre out of his career. Who could possibly respect that tactic?Favre has always been an egomaniac. The only people who lost their respect for Favre would be people who only realized this after he took "retiring" to the extreme this offseason. Those of us who recognized him for what he was don't begrudge him his playing time.

Thats great...if Stingers post just said that people around the league think they mishandled the situation.Problem for you and him is...he did not say that.Impossible for the Packers FO not to lose respect? Again...link to anyone claiming anything about losing respect.There are plenty of executives who think teams have mishandled things...does not equal a loss of respect. That is purely spin from you two.Who said anyone respected the supposed tactic. Not respecting one thing is again not the same as losing respect for the organization. And most execs at this point know the marketing deal was offered to him long before he decided he wanted to come back. I suggest you do some searches for what Andrew Brandt had to say about it.

 

[sho nuff]

That said...watching him play recently...Im not exactly sad that he is not in GB.

More sad that he even tried to come back.

Hoping for a good game against Miami so he can at least go out on a good note if he does call it quits for good this time.

As bad as the memory of his last pass against NY was...I think it might be worse to go out just looking like a shell of his former self.

You do anything you can to spin about Favre. He made the Pro Bowl this year and was one of the reasons the Jets increased to 9 wins. Yet....you still spin even though you claim you never try to diminish Favre. Almost everything you do here is somehow tied to knocking Favre. That is why you post so much...anything you see about Favre you feel you have to respond to put a negative spin on it!!!

Have you watched the guy play this year? Im not diminishing his play...he has been bad the past few weeks. He talks about his arm being sore and not having much on it (or something to that effect).Yes...he got voted into the probowl...a vote that most people feel was complete crap given how he has played recently.

Yes, he was one of the reasons they got where they did. Read the jets collapse thread...the jets fans know he was part of it...but some don't even feel he was the biggest part...and they say his play has been terrible too. I guess they are just diminishing him and are Favre haters.

You just can't take the fact that Brett is not playing well right now. It burns you up that this thread is alive and well because the decision at this point, based on Favre's play, looks like the right one.

Almost everything I do is tied to knocking him? Not at all. In this thread it has been about Favre vs. Rodgers...so yes, negative things about Favre's play are going to come up.

But his play in recent weeks has been bad...some of the worst of his career. At least in 2005 he was playing bad, but trying to do too much on his own because of injuries to his WRs and RBs and he needed to go for it far more. He has more support now. Some of its poor coaching in NY...some of it is Brett being wreckless and at 39 he may just not be able to do as much as he thought he could.

Sorry you can't see that and just think its to diminish him.

As I have posted, I hope if he is going to retire for good, that he has a good game Sunday and goes out looking like the Brett of old rather than how he has looked the past several weeks.

You stated "a vote that most people feel was complete crap given how he has played recently." about the pro-bowl vote. Can you link or show where this is fact? To me the fact he was voted into the pro-bowl shows most people feel he deserves it.Just going to ignore the rest of the junk you wrote.

Can I link it?Just look around...read the threads here...read the numerous articles stating the same thing...listen to nearly any talk radio.

You can keep asking...but most around here and on the radio and in articles have mirrored my thought.

Do you feel Favre deserved to be in? Quit bringing up the vote and tell me...do you believe he deserved to be in?

Lets see looking around.......see nothing.....oh wait pro-bowl voters voted him in. Threads here yeah right.

Once again with your numbers...most around here. What do you consider most 90% or higher. So I'll assume you live in Wisconsin. So you have talked to most of the 5,000,000 or so people that live in the state and they agree with you. I could assume wrong and you mean the US. Your one busy man.

Weren't you the one knocking "The fan" who happened to have a radio show earlier. Now you want me to listen to him? Truth fully I've heard both sides on our radio and no serious ragging on the decision of the "VOTERS".

Why are you trying to steer the discussion away from your fabricated statement? Why would I stop bringing up the Vote when it shows that most do not agree with you. If they did he would not have been voted into the Pro-bowl right? Show me another large sampling that proves otherwise.

I fabricated nothing...you are simply living with your head in the sand about this one.Again...do you think he deserved to be in...quit all the whining about links...and answer the simple question.

Many others on this site can answer that...why can't you?

 

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So instead of beginning with an insult you end with one nice. Lets see Rodgers makes a mistake but to you it doesn't matter because lee might not have caught it anyway. See how you continue to move any type of blame from Rodgers. RODGERS failed inside the red zone as the coach states. You try to marginalize it.

If you think those were insults...you need to grow a thicker skin.I never claimed it does not matter to me...I stated it was bad.I stated the offense needed to do more.Unlike you, I have placed the blame on the entire team....even including Rodgers. But you don't want to see that...you just want to bash...you just want to make excuses for other aspects of the game and put it nearly all on Rodgers.You have been doing so from your first posts on this topic.You think adding the one line to the end of your posts before made it all better. But out of the two of us...only one has been able to spread blame around...and it is not you.

 

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I think the Packers would be 5-10 or worse if Favre was still there. It's ridiculous blaming Rodgers for all this and thinking Favre would have made a difference, especially since Rodgers has played MUCH better than Favre this year.

You do understand they are in two different systems and have different experience levels in each.Favre is new to the system he is playing in and has to learn the system and get more of it on the fly. Rodgers has practiced and played in the Packers system for what 3 years now? Big difference so comparing the two's output just on that level alone isn't very productive.

This is pure spin...you whine about me spinning.But Favre is a 15 year vet...its week 17 coming up...when will the new system excuse be played out? He has been in the system for quite some time now...its time to give it up.No system out there is it ok for a QB to throw off his backfoot, across his body like Favre tried the other day. That was great when he was younger...not so much now. That...and for all the flack Rodgers has taken about holding the ball too long...did you see Favre in Seattle?Comparing a 1st year starter to a 15 year vet...the new system thing is pretty much a wash IMO.And Brett is a 3 time MVP... I think at this point he should be able to pick up a new system pretty quick and should not need the rest of you to make excuses for his poor play.

You just showed you lack of football knowledge and how the offensive systems are put in and work.

You claim me saying I don't think you know the meaning of the word spin is an insult...but come back with this one?No, I think some of you make Favre to be so much...his leadership and experience means so much.But after 16 weeks are still making excuses for the guy playing poorly.Its completely ridiculous.

No I was stating a fact. You showed a lack of football knowledge in the statement especially at the NFL level.What on earth does learning a new system have to do with the leadership stuff again? Once again trying to move the conversation away from the original point.Once again your just showing a lack of football knowledge and what it takes to put in a full offensive or defensive system if you think a QB goes in and learns a completely new system right out of the box. Sure he knows more of it but nothing like he did the GB system or Rodgers being in the GB system for 3 years. The difference between being a vet and semi-rookie is how you execute the parts of the system you know.

Im blad you think you have so much football knowledge...though, you have yet to show it.I was never trying to move any conversation away...you are full of spin (as usual).So...when will he learn a new system?When did I say right out of the box...its freakin week 17 coming up. When will he learn?And in what system is throwing the ball the way he did the other day a good thing? Please enlighten me oh king of football knowledge.Being a Vet...he should have a better grasp of basic concepts, the speed of the game, reading defenses...making his experience even in a new system pretty close to a first year starter who already knows the system.Using it as an excuse when the guy has played flat out bad for the past few weeks is weak...very weak. The guy is a 3 time MVP...does he need any more excuses made for playing like crap?

 

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http://www.scoresreport.com/2008/07/31/did...o-stay-retired/

"the Packers have grossly mishandled the situation."

http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/08/06/...arthy-thompson/

"But given the manner in which McCarthy and Thompson have mishandled Favre’s attempt to return, some league insiders think that both men could be in danger, if the team tanks in 2008.

Said one team executive, “I can’t believe how the front office has ^&*$% up this thing. He is one of the two or three best all time players in franchise history. You can’t treat him like a piece of dirt. I would bet that this is going to end up costing a few people their jobs next January.”

http://m.si.com/news/sp/archive/detail/104...C8A.cnnsilive9i

"Green Bay general manager Ted Thompson may have mishandled this entire affair by being out of touch with Cook and virtually unreachable to Favre during the last three months."

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/2008/0...-tavern-talk-8/

"I was talking to a GM in the league today and even he was surprised that the Packers still refuse to bring in a veteran QB to back up and help Rodgers. I think it is a dangerous move and Green Bay needs to hope Rodgers can hold up. Risky business here."

Lets take these one by one.First one...how is that a source from around the league...its one guy's opinion who starts out with his bias of the "tried to bribe" him line. Funny how that "bribe" was offered to Favre before he even retired and Andrew Brandt knew about it even before he left the Packers.

First link...utter fail.

2nd one.

Hey, you found a team exec. One.

So...a pass for now.

3rd one.

"may have mishandled".

And Peter King is not "around the league".

Another utter fail.

4th link.

Not sure what you were linking to there...nothing like that in the actual article linked.

And...it was about not getting a backup...not even about the situation.

And even I said not having a backup was a mistake.

Worst fail of all.

Being generous that you actually found one...I will give you a 1-3.

Though, the one was just one exec...a far cry from your claim of how badly people around the league looked at the Packers Org.

So these guys are less reliable than looking around...threads in this forum...or radio?

And you claim I want to steer a conversation away from the point? Hah!!!This was about a statement Stinger made that the team had lost alot of respect around the league.

At least post something close to the point being made rather than an attempted...and poorly attempted at that...bash.

 

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That is the correct reaction to that post.

Not even close. Do you really think the reporters are going to use names of exectuives when they make those reports or make up things like that? I provide links and yet the Favre haters still try to diminish it. Give me break. You are fooling yourself if you think those reports are not true.

I meant your eyeroll was correct. I found it humorous that people were asking for links but what they REALLY want are the names...which for the very reason you listed would be impossible to get. We've ALL read those reports of NFL insiders bashing the handling in the offseason, but I guess some people have conveniently forgotten how ridiculous the whole saga was, what with the bribing and everything. I was simply posting before all the other hangers-on could deny those reports the same as they attempted to deny Favre's return as a rumor as well. It's the predictable response from posters who would dare to question your assertation in the first place. These requests for links to common knowledge gets pretty annoying, especially when the people who are requesting the links are telegraphing their denial way ahead of time.

Other than Scotty being completely incorrect.I did not want names...I wanted any bit of substance to support Stinger's point. He failed in that big time.We read a few reports of insiders saying they mishandled it (but that is not what was stated by Stinger).The Bribing is the dumbest one out there given when it was first brought up was before the guy even retired."they" attempted to deny Favre's return. No, Scotty is referring to me. Because Favre himself claimed it was a rumor when it first came out. At the time...its all it was. Reports that he might want to return...which he himself denied.I claimed it was a rumor (factually I might add) and wanted confirmation. When the confirmation came, people went nuts on the rumor comment. This is the predictable type reply from Scotty though.And no, it is not common knowledge that the Packers organization lost alot of respect around the league.If it was so common...someone would be able to post a single link saying so.Instead...we get one quote from an NFL exec talking about how they mishandled it...2 writer's opinion...and a guy talking about a veteran backup QB.Yet the usual suspects do their usual. simply because it was a response to one of my posts.

I guess you will dismiss the rant that Terry Bradshaw had on the FOX pregame show about Thompson and the mistake they made by running Favre out of Green Bay.

What team does Bradshaw work for or represent?He is no longer "around the league". He is an employee of Fox Sports.And again...him saying they made a mistake does not equal the organization losing alot of respect around the league.You are spinning around and around and not even coming close to the statement you made.