Hughes with a No-No through 6 (1 Viewer)

[Workhorse]

More fuel to the fire:

http://www.baseballamerica.com/blog/prospects/?p=184

Eiland, who also coached Hughes at Double-A Trenton last season, said he suggested a minor alteration to Hughes’ delivery that would allow his arm to reach its proper slot.

“He was drifting through the balance point of his delivery a little bit, and it wasn’t allowing him to be as sharp,” Eiland said. “The command and life on his fastball were still OK, but it wasn’t Phil Hughes-like. He worked on that between starts.”

Now, whether or not it's a coincidence that they changed his mechanics less than two weeks before his major league call-up is really open to debate. But it appears that they clearly have been tinkering with him.

 

[shadyridr]

Not sure how he got hurt...not like they rushed him up and put big expectations on him...

He hurt his hammy in his 2nd start

And in his first start, it appears that someone has been tinkering with his delivery:http://www.hardballtimes.com/main/article/...anical-changes/

Question is: Did the Yankees engineer this change in anticipation of Hughes call up to he big leagues? And did this change in his delivery cause the hamstring problem? Might not be that far of a stretch...

Sounds like a stretch to me. If the change in delivery caused the hamstring problem then whether he was pitching in the minors or the majors makes no difference.

It does if they tinkered with his delivery in anticipation of his call-up. According to that article, the video from Hughes first start looked different from his motion earlier this year in AAA also.

No it doesnt. That video is comparing his 06 delivery with his 07 delivery. I SERIOUSLY doubt they would tinker with his delivery during the season before he was about to be called up.

Read the article again. The money quote:

Fast forward to Hughes' debut on April 26. Hmmm... That's not the Phil Hughes I remember seeing a few days ago.

While the video shows the '06 delivery compared to the '07 one with the Yankees for comparison's sake, the author seems to indicate that the changed delivery was VERY new.

YOU are the one who needs to read the article again. He specifically says

THT author John Beamer is currently working on an article on Phil Hughes. He asked me take a look at Hughes' mechanics. I had briefly seen Hughes pitch before, but I needed a closer look. So I went to YouTube, found some video, broke it down and got back to him.

I'm paraphrasing here, but what I told John was something like this:"He has good tempo, which I like. Excellent arm action: nice, short and elbowy. He seems to open up too early and seems very aggressive with his front side (shoulder problems?). His stuff is nasty, but I would worry about his durability."

Fast forward to Hughes' debut on April 26. Hmmm... That's not the Phil Hughes I remember seeing a few days ago. There's just something there that I don't like.

In other words he went to youtube to watch video on Hughes from 06. A few days later he watched Hughes' major league debut and noticed that the delivery was different than the delivery he witnessed a few days ago of his 06 delivery.

 

[shadyridr]

More fuel to the fire:

http://www.baseballamerica.com/blog/prospects/?p=184

Eiland, who also coached Hughes at Double-A Trenton last season, said he suggested a minor alteration to Hughes’ delivery that would allow his arm to reach its proper slot.

“He was drifting through the balance point of his delivery a little bit, and it wasn’t allowing him to be as sharp,” Eiland said. “The command and life on his fastball were still OK, but it wasn’t Phil Hughes-like. He worked on that between starts.”

Now, whether or not it's a coincidence that they changed his mechanics less than two weeks before his major league call-up is really open to debate. But it appears that they clearly have been tinkering with him.

You need to reread the article

 

[Workhorse]

More fuel to the fire:

http://www.baseballamerica.com/blog/prospects/?p=184

Eiland, who also coached Hughes at Double-A Trenton last season, said he suggested a minor alteration to Hughes’ delivery that would allow his arm to reach its proper slot.

“He was drifting through the balance point of his delivery a little bit, and it wasn’t allowing him to be as sharp,” Eiland said. “The command and life on his fastball were still OK, but it wasn’t Phil Hughes-like. He worked on that between starts.”

Now, whether or not it's a coincidence that they changed his mechanics less than two weeks before his major league call-up is really open to debate. But it appears that they clearly have been tinkering with him.

You need to reread the article

I did. They changed his delivery during the season.

 

[wilked]

lol at the Yankees managing to mess up a can't miss prospect

 

[Daywalker]

Can't imagine the Yanks would do anything differently with Hughes. Guy took a no-no into the 7th before a fluke injury. Doubt he'll change his delivery when he comes back.

This is silly.

 

[cobalt_27]

lol at the Yankees managing to mess up a can't miss prospect

Huh? He over-extended his delivery trying to nail down Teix with a freaking curveball. What did the Yankees do to mess things up? #### happens. There are a lot of things to blame the organization for. This prolly ain't one of them.

 

[ThisGuy]

lol at the Yankees managing to mess up a can't miss prospect

Huh? He over-extended his delivery trying to nail down Teix with a freaking curveball. What did the Yankees do to mess things up? #### happens. There are a lot of things to blame the organization for. This prolly ain't one of them.

Don't feed the animals.

 

[Billy Bats]

They now fear that he will be out 6-8 weeks.

 

[wilked]

lol at the Yankees managing to mess up a can't miss prospect

Huh? He over-extended his delivery trying to nail down Teix with a freaking curveball. What did the Yankees do to mess things up? #### happens. There are a lot of things to blame the organization for. This prolly ain't one of them.

Since you are confused, I will try a different angle. Why do you think in the preseason, Cashman was so adamant, promising that Hughes would not throw a big league pitch until after Memorial Day?

 

[wilked]

They now fear that he will be out 6-8 weeks.

no surprise there...these injuries tend to linger. The worst thing you can do is try to rush the rehab

 

[cobalt_27]

lol at the Yankees managing to mess up a can't miss prospect

Huh? He over-extended his delivery trying to nail down Teix with a freaking curveball. What did the Yankees do to mess things up? #### happens. There are a lot of things to blame the organization for. This prolly ain't one of them.

Since you are confused, I will try a different angle. Why do you think in the preseason, Cashman was so adamant, promising that Hughes would not throw a big league pitch until after Memorial Day?

Because, barring the absurd number of injuries that befell the first month of the season, that promise would have been kept. Cash and the Yankee brass didn't want to lay that much pressure on the kid, but they were sort of forced into that position, no?

 

[wilked]

Cash and the Yankee brass didn't want to lay that much pressure on the kid,

CorrectNext question:Why would they be worried about laying that pressure on the kid?

 

[Reaper]

Cash and the Yankee brass didn't want to lay that much pressure on the kid,

CorrectNext question:Why would they be worried about laying that pressure on the kid?

I think it's just the politically correct thing to say, AND hope for the optimal situation where you don't need him... But, in reality, as I posted before the season, there was a great chance we were going to see the kid closer to the allstar break.....You can't tell the kid that though - The only logical thing to get in his head is that he's pitching in the minors for the year......No big deal....... Plus they also knew he wasn't a frazzled young kid, but pretty composed.Freak injury that could have happened in the minors or whenever he came up as if Memorial Day was going to make the kid that much stronger and more ready?????

 

[shadyridr]

Cash and the Yankee brass didn't want to lay that much pressure on the kid,

CorrectNext question:Why would they be worried about laying that pressure on the kid?

Cuz hes 20 years old. Not because they were scared he'd get hurt which you seem to be implying.

 

[wilked]

Cash and the Yankee brass didn't want to lay that much pressure on the kid,

CorrectNext question:

Why would they be worried about laying that pressure on the kid?

Cuz hes 20 years old. Not because they were scared he'd get hurt which you seem to be implying.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=ip1zsUIosoAAll I am saying is the team was falling apart, so they called the kid up. Many use nicknames like 'The Future' and other stupid things, expectations are set...lot of pressure on him. It is not too farfetched to think he might be overthrowing a bit more then he would without all of the pressure.