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Hype Train has Fallen off the Tracks - Kenbrell Thompkins (1 Viewer)

take away Dobson's wide open catch (blow coverage?) for the TD and he looked like a heaping steaming pile of dung. Lost count on the number of drops Dobson had...
I agree they both look awful, but the coaches clearly liked him better.... Why else would he be the guy in 2 WR sets in the 4th quarter - There is no answer outside of the staff liking how he played better.
Thompkins was out there in the 4th quarter. Thompkins was blanketed by Cromartie much of the game, and only had one drop. He didn't play bad. Dobson had three drops, and ran some wrong routes. He certainly did not play better than Thompkins.
Go watch the replay, their last 3 possesions it was Dobson in two WR sets - Not even worth responding, go watch the film.

 
When the wall hits, it just hits. There usually is no sign of it coming. We might be seeing the end of the line for Brady here. I don't know because he's a great competitor and knows the games so well but everyone gets old. No stopping it otherwise Favre would still be playing.
Yeah, Brady has looked quite poor these two games. It would be silly to cut KT, he has shown some promising flashes. Frustrating how close he has been to getting a couple TDs. I can't see myself starting him for a while though.
I said it after the Buffalo game but nobody wants to hear it. Everyone wants to just blame the young WRs. That excuse is providing excellent cover for Brady's declining arm strength and lack of accuracy on longer throws. Everything to the sideline is at least a touch off target and stuff downfield is scattershot. Dobson missed some passes deep, but none of them were really well placed balls and some were totally uncatchable.
Awful.
:confused:

He is right. I have watched a great deal of both games, Brady is making some terrible throws.
That is one way to look at it, or we can blaim the rookie WRs for runnning bad routes, not having the timing down, not knowing when to look for the ball, not knowing its a back shoulder, etc... I would say that is more then likely instead of blaiming one of the best QBs to ever play.
This. And there were at least two balls that Dobson flat out missed that went through his hands including the deep ball where he had two steps on the defender down the right hash.

 
This was worth a new thread.
Considering the other thread is locked, I guess so. Why was the other thread even locked in the first place?? No clue. I can only guess its because RN made the most liked post in the history of FBGs
I completely missed that.

I just looked it up and it was on 99 likes. I made it an even 100.
It doesn't look good for the message board administrators that the most popular post in this board's history led to the thread being locked. Their system is clearly flawed.

 
When the wall hits, it just hits. There usually is no sign of it coming. We might be seeing the end of the line for Brady here. I don't know because he's a great competitor and knows the games so well but everyone gets old. No stopping it otherwise Favre would still be playing.
Yeah, Brady has looked quite poor these two games. It would be silly to cut KT, he has shown some promising flashes. Frustrating how close he has been to getting a couple TDs. I can't see myself starting him for a while though.
I said it after the Buffalo game but nobody wants to hear it. Everyone wants to just blame the young WRs. That excuse is providing excellent cover for Brady's declining arm strength and lack of accuracy on longer throws. Everything to the sideline is at least a touch off target and stuff downfield is scattershot. Dobson missed some passes deep, but none of them were really well placed balls and some were totally uncatchable.
Awful.
:confused:

He is right. I have watched a great deal of both games, Brady is making some terrible throws.
That is one way to look at it, or we can blaim the rookie WRs for runnning bad routes, not having the timing down, not knowing when to look for the ball, not knowing its a back shoulder, etc... I would say that is more then likely instead of blaiming one of the best QBs to ever play.
I have a hard time blaming the WR when Brady misses them by throwing out of bounds or overthrowing a wide open guy. Sure, there were some drops. Dobson had a ton of them last night. But just as often Brady's throws were terrible.

 
It doesn't look good for the message board administrators that the most popular post in this board's history led to the thread being locked. Their system is clearly flawed.
Phenix drops trow and pisses in every thread he visits for months and months with no consequence, and when the board finds a grass roots way to do something about it they close the thread.

A reordering of priorities might be in order.

 
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I have a hard time blaming the WR when Brady misses them by throwing out of bounds or overthrowing a wide open guy. Sure, there were some drops. Dobson had a ton of them last night. But just as often Brady's throws were terrible.
If Brady had so much as Brian Hartline, Davone Bess, Brent Celek, & Cecil Shorts out there, this isn't a conversation... They win by 21

 
What are we missing here? How could he go from looking so good in preseason(he could catch), to playing so badly now in the regular season? I have to believe that by midseason thompkins and dobson will be much better. Buy low

 
When the wall hits, it just hits. There usually is no sign of it coming. We might be seeing the end of the line for Brady here. I don't know because he's a great competitor and knows the games so well but everyone gets old. No stopping it otherwise Favre would still be playing.
Yeah, Brady has looked quite poor these two games. It would be silly to cut KT, he has shown some promising flashes. Frustrating how close he has been to getting a couple TDs. I can't see myself starting him for a while though.
I said it after the Buffalo game but nobody wants to hear it. Everyone wants to just blame the young WRs. That excuse is providing excellent cover for Brady's declining arm strength and lack of accuracy on longer throws. Everything to the sideline is at least a touch off target and stuff downfield is scattershot. Dobson missed some passes deep, but none of them were really well placed balls and some were totally uncatchable.
Awful.
:confused:

He is right. I have watched a great deal of both games, Brady is making some terrible throws.
That is one way to look at it, or we can blaim the rookie WRs for runnning bad routes, not having the timing down, not knowing when to look for the ball, not knowing its a back shoulder, etc... I would say that is more then likely instead of blaiming one of the best QBs to ever play.
This. And there were at least two balls that Dobson flat out missed that went through his hands including the deep ball where he had two steps on the defender down the right hash.
Dobson should have made that catch, but it still would have been a case of a WR making a great catch rather than Brady making a great throw. Even if Dobson catches that, he almost certainly goes to ground after stretching out so far and being off balance. A throw that is a foot and a half to two feet shorter hits him in stride and doesn't force him to stretch out so far.

 
I'm not sure this is nearly as complicated as everyone seems to be making it out to be. Brady and Thompkins (and Dobson) aren't on the same page yet. A rookie WR running against a veteran corner is going to take his lumps. Timing is off. Expectations aren't on the same page. Brady could simply LOOK at a veteran WR and they'd know what he was thinking and adjust with nary a word spoken or hand signal made. Panic all you want, just trade me Thompkins before you toss him on the WW so I don't have to hope I get him with my #6 waiver priority.

 
I'm not sure this is nearly as complicated as everyone seems to be making it out to be. Brady and Thompkins (and Dobson) aren't on the same page yet. A rookie WR running against a veteran corner is going to take his lumps. Timing is off. Expectations aren't on the same page. Brady could simply LOOK at a veteran WR and they'd know what he was thinking and adjust with nary a word spoken or hand signal made. Panic all you want, just trade me Thompkins before you toss him on the WW so I don't have to hope I get him with my #6 waiver priority.
Nobody else will use their waiver on him, just let him get to FA...

If they do use their Waiver priority, consider it a blessing.

 
Seems like it would have been more surprising if he'd jumped right out of the gate as a viable Top 24 WR. Pre-season games are just a different animal, and we've seen plenty of examples in the past in which someone shines in pre-season, then they either go nowhere or it takes them a while to build a reliable chemistry in regular games.

I think KT can win the battle at the line of scrimmage often enough to be useful on the Patriots. The main problem appears to be getting on the same page with Brady about routes and ball placement. That's the big question mark and only time will tell. He's still a lottery ticket if you have room, but definitely not a starter at the moment.

 
Dobson should have made that catch, but it still would have been a case of a WR making a great catch rather than Brady making a great throw. Even if Dobson catches that, he almost certainly goes to ground after stretching out so far and being off balance. A throw that is a foot and a half to two feet shorter hits him in stride and doesn't force him to stretch out so far.
:confused: He wasn't laid out to catch it. Even if he was laid out and doing a double backfilp, an NFL receiver should catch a ball that goes between his two hands. And that was just one example. Is it possible Brady is less accurate and has less velocity? Sure. I'll even grant that he hasn't looked great on some throws this year and may not be as good as he was a couple years ago. But he's not Brandon Weeden out there.

What are we missing here? How could he go from looking so good in preseason(he could catch), to playing so badly now in the regular season?
Is this a serious post? He's a rookie, undrafted receiver from an offense that had a limited route tree. I expect him to get better and I love the position he is in but two weeks in to his first season (including a game where one half was played in the rain) is not really the time to evaluate the guy. Anyone expecting top-24 at any point before Halloween is fooling themselves.

 
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So, to summarize, if a rookie WR doesn't average 5+ and 100+ in his first two NFL games, he will be out of the league the following year.

 
When the wall hits, it just hits. There usually is no sign of it coming. We might be seeing the end of the line for Brady here. I don't know because he's a great competitor and knows the games so well but everyone gets old. No stopping it otherwise Favre would still be playing.
Yeah, Brady has looked quite poor these two games. It would be silly to cut KT, he has shown some promising flashes. Frustrating how close he has been to getting a couple TDs. I can't see myself starting him for a while though.
I said it after the Buffalo game but nobody wants to hear it. Everyone wants to just blame the young WRs. That excuse is providing excellent cover for Brady's declining arm strength and lack of accuracy on longer throws. Everything to the sideline is at least a touch off target and stuff downfield is scattershot. Dobson missed some passes deep, but none of them were really well placed balls and some were totally uncatchable.
Awful.
:confused:

He is right. I have watched a great deal of both games, Brady is making some terrible throws.
+1 ... long-time Brady backer and own him this year in fantasy. He has played like crap by his standards. Some of these excuses are silly. This stuff isn't chess. A couple times the WRs have run straight by corners on a 9 route and he over or underthrew it. The TD that Thompkins had taken away was a ball that Brady normally lays in there in stride. In this case, he made his WR lay out.

I think he is better at firing the ball between the numbers and that is why his slot/TE guys get some many receptions. With no real TE, they're trying to push things outside more and he just isn't that good at it IMO.
I agree with the comment on the Thompkins reversed TD.

That was a nice stab by Thompkins but a good throw would have made it a clean TD.

 
When the wall hits, it just hits. There usually is no sign of it coming. We might be seeing the end of the line for Brady here. I don't know because he's a great competitor and knows the games so well but everyone gets old. No stopping it otherwise Favre would still be playing.
Yeah, Brady has looked quite poor these two games. It would be silly to cut KT, he has shown some promising flashes. Frustrating how close he has been to getting a couple TDs. I can't see myself starting him for a while though.
I said it after the Buffalo game but nobody wants to hear it. Everyone wants to just blame the young WRs. That excuse is providing excellent cover for Brady's declining arm strength and lack of accuracy on longer throws. Everything to the sideline is at least a touch off target and stuff downfield is scattershot. Dobson missed some passes deep, but none of them were really well placed balls and some were totally uncatchable.
Awful.
:confused:

He is right. I have watched a great deal of both games, Brady is making some terrible throws.
+1 ... long-time Brady backer and own him this year in fantasy. He has played like crap by his standards. Some of these excuses are silly. This stuff isn't chess. A couple times the WRs have run straight by corners on a 9 route and he over or underthrew it. The TD that Thompkins had taken away was a ball that Brady normally lays in there in stride. In this case, he made his WR lay out.

I think he is better at firing the ball between the numbers and that is why his slot/TE guys get some many receptions. With no real TE, they're trying to push things outside more and he just isn't that good at it IMO.
I agree with the comment on the Thompkins reversed TD.

That was a nice stab by Thompkins but a good throw would have made it a clean TD.
I disagree on this. Brady did make a good throw here, as Thompkins really didn't have any separation. Brady put this one (not talking about others, cause there were others which WERE bad throws) exactly where it needed to be for his guy and only his guy to have a shot. KT almost made a terrific catch. There is still potential here, and clearly there is still opportunity, keep holding if you can...

 
Why don't Brady and the WRs talk at all? They're clearly not on the same page, and all that we see is Brady yelling at the sky while the WRs sulk. Even back on the sidelines, Brady is throwing a hissy fit and yelling at no one in particular while the WRs are 25 yards away on the bench just sitting there.

If they're not on the same page, especially after they just have a mis-communication, why is Brady not getting together with them and telling him what he was expecting them to do? How are they supposed to ever get on the same page if they don't even talk about it?

 
I just don't understand what people expected. No matter what you guys thought, Thompkins was never going to be AJ Green or Julio Jones. He was a freaking UDFA for a reason. him putting up 50/800/3 would be a ridiculous season for him IMO. Anything above those numbers is icing on the cake. He was never going to be anything more than a bye week injury replacement flex player, the exact kind of guy you drop for a Joique Bell. I don't know why anyone thought otherwise in redraft

 
I just don't understand what people expected. No matter what you guys thought, Thompkins was never going to be AJ Green or Julio Jones. He was a freaking UDFA for a reason. him putting up 50/800/3 would be a ridiculous season for him IMO. Anything above those numbers is icing on the cake. He was never going to be anything more than a bye week injury replacement flex player, the exact kind of guy you drop for a Joique Bell. I don't know why anyone thought otherwise in redraft
Correct because the choices are AJ Green or bye week filler. Wait were talking about a 4 team league right?

 
He's worse than having Brandon Lloyd
Yea, I'm having bad flashbacks to last year w/ another NE #85 sitting on my bench. I'm going to hold for another couple of weeks to see if the rapport between KT and Brady improves. To those pimping Dobson, why? His drops last week were brutal. Not that 4 out of 14 for KT in week 1 is anything to get excited about, but let's give KT a pass for last week w/ Cromartie (sp) all over him.

As someone mentioned above, the bigger concern is that w/o Gronk and DA - Tompkins is likely to draw the tougher coverage corners.

 
Since the KT thread is still broken...

I don't know where people had Thompkins on their draft menu but I had him right about as a fallback if I could not get Gordon and maybe Givens. I felt good about getting him afterwards because that's just what happened.

I still feel pretty good about it because I know this has to work. If I was willing to wait 3 weeks for Gordon I should be for Thompkins as well. Brady cannot continue as a 70 QBR, sub-300 yard passer. Impossible, this cannot be.

Thompkins has yet another tough matchup in the Bucs this weekend. I guess he could get Revis. Revis seemed to be on Stills and Moore for the Saints game and Jimmy went crazy while they did almost nada. Amendola, Vereen, Gronkowski and Thompkins should have been the 2013 passing stars of this team, maybe it can still come to pass.

TB

@ATL

@CIN

NO

@NYJ

MIA

 
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Prisco also said Ponder was gonna be the next Joe Montana.
Well ya gotta love someone willing to write and show diagrams of plays to illustrate his points. It was probably two Pats plays? three? obviously not the entire game but it's something more than we usually get from writers and I appreciated it.

 
Is KT even the starter over Dobson?
No one could possibly know this, based on performance yes, based on utilization yes.

KT is sitting on 21 targets for 6 receptions. Dobson is sitting on 10 targets for 3 receptions.
Seemed like KT got benched near the end of the match vs. Jets last week.
After playing 80% of the game as the WR2, there can't possibly be any way hes in the dog house anymore than Dobson is. Dobson dropped like 7 passes that were right to him and he was uncovered. KT got a TD taken from him and 1 reception taken from him and another dislodged by a helmet to the back.

That being said, I still have no idea why KT was replaced near the end of the game there was no mention or speculation.

Thompkins had little trouble getting separation from Cromartie, I still think he sees Revis.

 
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Thompkins is solidly on my bench today. You'd have to be extremely banged up to consider starting him. But I wouldn't drop him yet. Dobson either.

 
I heard on one of the sports channels today that Brady isn't as satisfied with the WR situation as management is. They said that Brady has personally contacted Branch and Lloyd to see about their availability.

 
I heard on one of the sports channels today that Brady isn't as satisfied with the WR situation as management is. They said that Brady has personally contacted Branch and Lloyd to see about their availability.
Brady should spend more time working with these WRs on the sideline and less time #####ing.

 

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