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Lot of young ones on third board aren't going to remember the hated Raiders of decades past. It's nice to see there are on the mend. Lots of talent on that team - but they still need help.

Probably not going to get them too far in 2011 - but high hopes for future years.

And I hated the Raiders.

 
NFL is really a league of parity. Last week they got punched in the mouth by the Tebow-led Broncos, at home.
Yes, but I bet that they won't be the only team to be punched in the mouth by the Tebow-led Broncos. It is nice to see the Raiders doing well since I have to watch them every week. This team is really a couple of players away from being a potential SB team. If they had an elite QB, they would be there. They Do continue to make dumb mistakes though that shoot them in the foot--watch the Denver game and you will see time and again where a dumb penalty puts them deep in a hole or keeps a Denver drive alive.
 
Kudos to Al Davis for building this team. He's been the punchline to way too many jokes. Its always bothered me the lack of respect that people have been showing towards coach Davis during the past ten years. He's more than earned my respect with his lifetime of achievement in the NFL. Really looking forward to the show on NFL Network tonight. LINK

 
Yes cheating and penalties are undervalued tools in the NFL. :unsure:

You mean the Al Davis that took Heyward Bey over Crabtree and Hakeen Nicks? The guy that traded a high first round pick for Seymour and gave Jeff george what a $30-40 million cointract?

If you are going to pat him on the back please look at him long term. HGe's made some good moves but is also a reason the team suffered without a top GM/HC for so long to.

 
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'cr8f said:
Yes cheating and penalties are undervalued tools in the NFL. :unsure:You mean the Al Davis that took Heyward Bey over Crabtree and Hakeen Nicks? The guy that traded a high first round pick for Seymour and gave Jeff george what a $30-40 million cointract?If you are going to pat him on the back please look at him long term. HGe's made some good moves but is also a reason the team suffered without a top GM/HC for so long to.
You're right, the Raiders would be much better off with Crabtree. He's really lighting it up...
 
'cr8f said:
Yes cheating and penalties are undervalued tools in the NFL. :unsure:You mean the Al Davis that took Heyward Bey over Crabtree?
Heyward Bey has more receiving yards then Crabtree this year, and is avergaing 6 more YPC then Crabtree....Nicks is good in hindsight, but I don't recall anyone saying at the time of the draft Nicks should have gone that high....
 
'cr8f said:
Yes cheating and penalties are undervalued tools in the NFL. :unsure:You mean the Al Davis that took Heyward Bey over Crabtree and Hakeen Nicks? The guy that traded a high first round pick for Seymour and gave Jeff george what a $30-40 million cointract?If you are going to pat him on the back please look at him long term. HGe's made some good moves but is also a reason the team suffered without a top GM/HC for so long to.
:fishing:
 
'cr8f said:
Yes cheating and penalties are undervalued tools in the NFL. :unsure:You mean the Al Davis that took Heyward Bey over Crabtree and Hakeen Nicks? The guy that traded a high first round pick for Seymour and gave Jeff george what a $30-40 million cointract?If you are going to pat him on the back please look at him long term. HGe's made some good moves but is also a reason the team suffered without a top GM/HC for so long to.
:fishing:
Yes, but if you pull the "Crabtree" comment out of the post, he is right. I am old enough (37) to understand what Davis did for the league, but if you look at not the moves he has made but the utter lack of trust in his management team and coaches, his recent track record is Mike Brown-ish...and by recent record, I mean last 20+ years. You pull out that two year swing where he traded his coach and replaced his spot with with Callahan, this team is a consistent 3-4 spot in the division. He had an eye for talent...will never take that away from him, but he also never understood where to acquire said talent (in terms of value) and also whiffed on some to an extent where it looked as though he was just trying to make waves. He was a "maverick", and that is cool, but it does not mean it is "good" either. Palmer is getting his "sea" legs now and doing well...EVERYONE has stated he would have never made this deal...knowing "Recent AL', he would have jammed Pryor down our throats and that would not have gone well. jackson has (not may have) given up too much for Palmer, but he is in the midst of salavaging the season after Campbell got hurt. Al would have incorrectly gone to the "hip" backup and that is the epitome of Davis in the past couple of decades. I respect him, but can't embrace a man who does not recognize his faults (not paying Shanny, trading Gruden, and firing a coach over a decision to go with Rusell. We all make mistakes, but only a weak man cannot admit those mistakes.
 
'cr8f said:
Yes cheating and penalties are undervalued tools in the NFL. :unsure:

You mean the Al Davis that took Heyward Bey over Crabtree and Hakeen Nicks? The guy that traded a high first round pick for Seymour and gave Jeff george what a $30-40 million cointract?

If you are going to pat him on the back please look at him long term. HGe's made some good moves but is also a reason the team suffered without a top GM/HC for so long to.
:fishing:
Yes, but if you pull the "Crabtree" comment out of the post, he is right. I am old enough (37) to understand what Davis did for the league, but if you look at not the moves he has made but the utter lack of trust in his management team and coaches, his recent track record is Mike Brown-ish...and by recent record, I mean last 20+ years. You pull out that two year swing where he traded his coach and replaced his spot with with Callahan, this team is a consistent 3-4 spot in the division. He had an eye for talent...will never take that away from him, but he also never understood where to acquire said talent (in terms of value) and also whiffed on some to an extent where it looked as though he was just trying to make waves. He was a "maverick", and that is cool, but it does not mean it is "good" either. Palmer is getting his "sea" legs now and doing well...EVERYONE has stated he would have never made this deal...knowing "Recent AL', he would have jammed Pryor down our throats and that would not have gone well. jackson has (not may have) given up too much for Palmer, but he is in the midst of salavaging the season after Campbell got hurt. Al would have incorrectly gone to the "hip" backup and that is the epitome of Davis in the past couple of decades.

I respect him, but can't embrace a man who does not recognize his faults (not paying Shanny, trading Gruden, and firing a coach over a decision to go with Rusell. We all make mistakes, but only a weak man cannot admit those mistakes.
All kinds of wrong.1st, you take Crabtree out, and the post is still wrong. See the word "cheating" there? And how it just kind of vaguely refers to it, like it's assumed we all know Al cheated? Frankly, that right there makes that abortion of a post not worth even quoting.

2nd, make sure you give credit where it is due, and don't take it away when it shouldn't. Al didn't trade away Gruden because he was being a maverick. When the Tampa job came up, Al asked Gruden about it, and Gru said he wanted to leave to take the job. Al was such a dummy, he took a coach that didn't want to stay, and got 4 top picks for him. The crappy part is, if any team except those Bucs had made the Super Bowl that year, the Raiders win.

3rd, I know EVERYONE said Al wouldn't have done the Palmer trade. Yes, yes, Al has never made a big trade for a veteran before. Certainly not like him at all. And certainly not for a veteran QB. Are you kidding me? Is there an owner in the history of the league more likely to make that trade?

Man, the guy is dead, and his team is playing well. I don't expect people to stop posting nonsense about him after he is dead, but lordy, at least be close to a fact. Or stick to stuff that people cannot refute, like "Al would have shoved Pryor down our throats".

 
'cr8f said:
Yes cheating and penalties are undervalued tools in the NFL. :unsure:You mean the Al Davis that took Heyward Bey over Crabtree and Hakeen Nicks? The guy that traded a high first round pick for Seymour and gave Jeff george what a $30-40 million cointract?If you are going to pat him on the back please look at him long term. HGe's made some good moves but is also a reason the team suffered without a top GM/HC for so long to.
if you're gonna rip the deceased, at least pick better examples than these
 

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