I thought Ted Thompson was a "Genuis" (1 Viewer)

[CaptMLM]

The packers look like classic case of a one man team to me...

 

[yellowdog]

What is a "GENUIS"?

 

[IheartGuinness]

:IBTL:

 

[Kitrick Taylor]

This troll thread is off to a great start.

 

[msommer]

Gen-U-Is

Even if this is txt write, and the grammar is corrected, gen you are doesn't make it clearer

Genuine?

 

[Doug B]

The packers look like classic case of a one man team to me...

As Seattle and San Francisco (probably) will soon find out ... you can pay for a great QB or you can pay for great depth. You cannot do both.

 

[Braktastic]

The packers look like classic case of a one man team to me...

As Seattle and San Francisco (probably) will soon find out ... you can pay for a great QB or you can pay for great depth. You cannot do both.

Fixed. And I'm a Niners fan.

 

[Doug B]

Fixed. And I'm a Niners fan.

SF might actually be able to sign Kaepernick to a reasonable second contract (maybe $12M/yr) if he continues to play the way he's played this season. Six months ago, he was looking like an eventual $20M/yr QB.

 

[ConnSKINS26]

Is this bad shtick? You can't even spell genius..

 

[ShockTheMonkey]

Wait...it's not "genious"???

 

[massraider]

This is a rough way to find out you aren't very bright.

 

[Doug B]

Haven't any of you genusses checked out a Trivial Pursuit box? Jeesh.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

who's tim topson?

 

[Soulfly3]

what a homo.... genus

 

[Eminence]

The packers look like classic case of a one man team to me...

That would be the Saints.

 

[Mile High]

Haven't we gone over this before? The better the QB the smarter the coach.

 

[Doug B]

The packers look like classic case of a one man team to me...

That would be the Saints.

And Broncos. Probably the 2013 Patriots, too, though Belichick did go 11-5 with Matt Cassel.

Any team with an elite QB takes a huge blow if that QB is hurt Not rocket surgery here.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

The packers look like classic case of a one man team to me...

That would be the Saints.

And Broncos. Probably the 2013 Patriots, too, though Belichick did go 11-5 with Matt Cassel.

Any team with an elite QB takes a huge blow if that QB is hurt Not rocket surgery here.

yeah, the pats would be struggling without that td every week.

 

[KellysHeroes]

The packers look like classic case of a one man team to me...

That would be the Saints.

And Broncos. Probably the 2013 Patriots, too, though Belichick did go 11-5 with Matt Cassel.

Any team with an elite QB takes a huge blow if that QB is hurt Not rocket surgery here.

agreed that u can't take Brady or Manning away from their teams and expect them to not feel the pinch but at least those teams have guys on their squads that have been learning the system for a couple of yrs now. Green Bay has not had a good back up in yrs but what do expect when you only use 7th rounders on them and sign washed up Vets days before the season starts. Thompson should get flack for this mess, questionable O-line with a questionable defense and the excuse he couldn't back up the most important position on the team was because of $$... not buying it. This team never spends money on FA and while that sounds good and looks good on paper when you win, it looks terrible when a situation like this comes around.

Is he a good GM, yes better than half the GMs in the league; but he does one part of the job. Great GMs draft good players, acquire good players though Free Agency and take other GMs up the river with trades.

 

[CaptMLM]

I could not have picked a better word to misspell. Glad you all had your fun...I deserved it.

Back to the point. How is it being a troll if I point out that the packers are a lower tier team without their superstar QB? The Pats won 11 games when Brady was out. The Bears are doing just fine with McCown (small sample size). If people want to crown Thompson as one of the best GMs, they need to be willing to look a little deeper than the simple fact that his QB is perhaps the best player in the league.

 

[Joe Summer]

Is this all just a setup to trick us into hearing your MLM pitch?

 

[Interseptopus]

The packers look like classic case of a one man team to me...

That would be the Saints.

And Broncos. Probably the 2013 Patriots, too, though Belichick did go 11-5 with Matt Cassel.

Any team with an elite QB takes a huge blow if that QB is hurt Not rocket surgery here.

agreed that u can't take Brady or Manning away from their teams and expect them to not feel the pinch but at least those teams have guys on their squads that have been learning the system for a couple of yrs now. Green Bay has not had a good back up in yrs but what do expect when you only use 7th rounders on them and sign washed up Vets days before the season starts. Thompson should get flack for this mess, questionable O-line with a questionable defense and the excuse he couldn't back up the most important position on the team was because of $$... not buying it. This team never spends money on FA and while that sounds good and looks good on paper when you win, it looks terrible when a situation like this comes around.Is he a good GM, yes better than half the GMs in the league; but he does one part of the job. Great GMs draft good players, acquire good players though Free Agency and take other GMs up the river with trades.

Ummmmm.... He's come right out and said, "if the backup QB situation fails, that's on me"

I don't know how much flack you can ask a guy to take than when he comes right out and says, yeah I screwed up.

Furthermore, what would you like them to do, pay a good QB 8 million a year to sit behind the starter and maybe one day okay 3 games? For the last 20+ years we've had only three starting QBs (favre, Flynn one game, and Rodgers) before this season.

Get a grip

 

[Interseptopus]

I could not have picked a better word to misspell. Glad you all had your fun...I deserved it.

Back to the point. How is it being a troll if I point out that the packers are a lower tier team without their superstar QB? The Pats won 11 games when Brady was out. The Bears are doing just fine with McCown (small sample size). If people want to crown Thompson as one of the best GMs, they need to be willing to look a little deeper than the simple fact that his QB is perhaps the best player in the league.

If you want the packers brass to waste millions of dollars on a capable backup, then great. Say goodbye to BJ Raji then, that salary needs to pay the backup QBGive me a break, what elite team doesn't suffer when their star QB goes down? You mention NE. Sure, if you're video taping your opponents practices and you know their defensive calls, you can cheat your way to success. And the bears this year... It's the bears. You want to know why they still suck? Because they makes sure to have a good backup QB. And of course they have to, when cutler can strain his v a g i n a muscle by dropping back to pass, you need a good backup.

Rodgers has missed less games than the average starter IMO. We as packer fans are spoiled rotten when it comes to not needing backup QBs. We haven't seen a backup QB start more than one game in decades. And it shows by the fans reactions

 

[sho nuff]

I could not have picked a better word to misspell. Glad you all had your fun...I deserved it.

Back to the point. How is it being a troll if I point out that the packers are a lower tier team without their superstar QB? The Pats won 11 games when Brady was out. The Bears are doing just fine with McCown (small sample size). If people want to crown Thompson as one of the best GMs, they need to be willing to look a little deeper than the simple fact that his QB is perhaps the best player in the league.

Few things.

First...Thompson/McCarthy erred in the offseason. Though, the error was in believing 2 players that had shown improvements before...would continue to improve (Coleman and Harrell) and that at least one of them would turn into a competent backup.

That was not the case...they tried Vince Young...but he is not very bright.

So when the start of the season came...they found a seasoned Vet who could handle things for probably half a game maybe...and was good with the starter as far as pointing out what they are seeing on the field between possessions.

It has smacked them in the face.

Of course they and several other teams with elite QBs are mostly a one man team.

But you also fail to point out the other injuries that have been hampering this team (Matthews just now coming back...Cobb, despite your opinion that Boykin is just as good...Finley...then the OL).

They definitely rely on Rodgers a ton as the defense has simply not played well this year and needs a lot of work.

Sure...Cassell did ok while Brady was out...the Pats still did what?

What happened to the Colts when Manning was out?

Probably the same that would happen to the Broncos and Saints if Brees was out.

That is what you get in the salary cap era where these QBs are taking up a huge chunk of the cap. Add in what Matthews makes and then take out Cobb too and at one time the Packers were without probably their 3 best players...maybe 3 of the top 4 if you want to put Nelson in there ahead of Cobb.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

I always point to the cassel year when I'm bragging on bb or the organization, but what would've happened if cassel got knocked out after one game?

not to mention the fact, as has already been pointed out, that they lost more than just one guy.

stop crying

 

[ghostguy123]

I could not have picked a better word to misspell. Glad you all had your fun...I deserved it.

Back to the point. How is it being a troll if I point out that the packers are a lower tier team without their superstar QB? The Pats won 11 games when Brady was out. The Bears are doing just fine with McCown (small sample size). If people want to crown Thompson as one of the best GMs, they need to be willing to look a little deeper than the simple fact that his QB is perhaps the best player in the league.

If it's not being a troll, then it's just being stupid.

 

[ConnSKINS26]

Oof.

 

[ghostguy123]

The Shark Pool is a better place when you make quality analysis out of even the most inane original posts. The methodology to make the Shark Pool excellent isn't to egg on the OP for his premise, it's to fill every thread with the kind of quality that his kind of posts should make him feel ashamed he brought weak sauce in a room full of legit beef eaters.

So you are saying we should feed the troll?

I think people should have to earn special priviliges to be able to post threads on here.

Hell, maybe even to be able to post anything at all. I wish there was some sort of filter where we had the ability to alter that would only show us posts from members who have met some sort of "score" or something. You could choose to see every post, or just posts from certain people and/or people with certain scores. Incorportate a facebook style LIKE button for the score or something, I don't know.

Just a thought.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

what if they did the inverse -- incorporate a function that blocks posts from posters you don't like, leaving only posters you like visible?

how would that work out for you?

 

[fatness]

What is a "GENUIS"?

First book of the Bilbe.

 

[Eminence]

what if they did the inverse -- incorporate a function that blocks posts from posters you don't like, leaving only posters you like visible?

how would that work out for you?

Don't do him like that Kool-Aid Larry!

 

[Kitrick Taylor]

I could not have picked a better word to misspell. Glad you all had your fun...I deserved it.

Back to the point. How is it being a troll if I point out that the packers are a lower tier team without their superstar QB? The Pats won 11 games when Brady was out. The Bears are doing just fine with McCown (small sample size). If people want to crown Thompson as one of the best GMs, they need to be willing to look a little deeper than the simple fact that his QB is perhaps the best player in the league.

The Packers also did what they had to do this offseason and paid big money to their two superstars, Aaron Rodgers and Clay Matthews. When you pay huge money to a QB, you have to make concessions elsewhere.

Others have mentioned the injury thing, and that is a big part of why the Packers are struggling right now. Rodgers was good enough to cover up for some losses in personnel. Tolzien is not. Losing Cobb, Finley, Bulaga for the season has hampered ths offense. The offensive line was really staring to play well, then Lang and Barclay got hurt. Now they are playing Newhouse at RT, and he stinks.

On defense, their best player is Matthews, and he's been hurt, and then largely ineffective since his return. Turns out you need two hands to play OLB. Casey Hayward is their best CB. He's missed most of the season with hammy troubles.

The reality is that the Packers have sustained a lot of injuries this year, and it's been to their very best players on both sides of the ball.

 

[Warrior]

The packers look like classic case of a one man team to me...

As Seattle and San Francisco (probably) will soon find out ... you can pay for a great QB or you can pay for great depth. You cannot do both.

IMHO, if you want to really break down the trade offs in the salary cap era and consider a legitimate "contender", most folks would be best served looking at the dynasty 92-96 Dallas Cowboys. I think Jimmie Johnson gets pretty underrated in terms of his impact as a logistics guy and strategist, in part because of his short stay in Dallas relative to most esteemed coaches, the disappointment in Miami ( plus leaving Wannesteadt there as a legacy) and his coaching tree ( your legacy sort of takes a hit when you inflict Butch Davis onto the NFL circuit)

When you are rebuilding, you draft for talent, because you have legitimate holes in your roster everywhere.

When you are on the cusp, or perceived to be on the cusp of contending or in your "window" of championship opportunity, most likely your roster has good talent on it, and your mode of operation forces you to draft for need.

As I've said a ton of times before, if you want to build a contender, with a legit 2-3 operating window for a ring, you need at least 3 consecutive deep and excellent draft classes in a row. If you want to hold that run 2-3 more years longer, you need to hit on your draft choices for depth ( cheap labor) despite the market forces pushing you to draft for need instead of best talent available given your drafting slot.

Look at the NY Giants, won a few rings there, but instead of the kind of drafting they did before ( which was BPA on a team that was hurting), they tried to plug holes in the roster to try to extend their "run" Of course this all makes it more difficult when you are one of the better teams in the league and your draft position falls to the back end of each round.

"Need" based drafting is a very tricky thing to do and many GMs simply can't do it well or consistently. Often it exposes the general limitations of the front office in place and where it has developmental weaknesses. For someone like Andy Reid, it would developing wide receivers ( Yes, Maclin and Jackson panned out, but there was a lot of bloodshed before that) For Belichick, it hurts the franchise that Angry Bill keeps missing on cornerbacks, no matter how much money and draft choices he throws at the problem. The unit deficiency was probably there in the first place because the staff and coaches in place simply can't coach up or develop or properly evaluate talent for that unit. And then trying to keep plugging that hole only compounds the problem because each failure costs you time, time in which your other blue chip players are aging. The failures of Darius Butler and Ras Dowling and Terrence Wheatley and Jon Wilhite and Brandon Merriweather all burn out time on the prime careers of a Brady or a Mankins or a Gronkowski.

Inexpensive veteran signings are best suited to fill "gaps" in your roster, but not try to plug legitimate "holes" within in. A solid inexpensive veteran, his value is giving you experience at the cost of age ( increase risk of injury, limited snaps, outside their physical prime) However you fail at your drafting, and you are forced to over expose those veterans. This is why some of the linebacker failures for the Patriots, whether it be free agents that didn't really pan out or draft choices, forced a guy like Junior Seau to play a little too much and in too many critical situations past his prime.

Currently a team on the cusp, that has this problem, for the first time in a long time is the Cincinnati Bengals. For a long time, they were thin in the scouting department, now after amassing a lot of talent, often using analysis and research outside their own sources/databases, they are in a situation where they have specific holes in their roster instead of what seemed like decades of holes everywhere. They just reupped Geno Atkins and he blew out his ACL. Their top corner has been hurt and lost for the year, two years in a row. The limitation on their offense is their QB1.

IMHO, the Bengals are a better franchise for an immediate test case on how the resource management issue for NFL front offices wrangle the "need" versus "best talent" issue when dealing with a hard cap. The Packers have won a ring, I don't think Ted Thompson needs to be defended here, his ring is his vindication. His team is simply pushing outside it's effective contending window ( Same as the Texans, except the Texans went into a total free fall)

The Shark Pool is a better place when you make quality analysis out of even the most inane original posts. The methodology to make the Shark Pool excellent isn't to egg on the OP for his premise, it's to fill every thread with the kind of quality that his kind of posts should make him feel ashamed he brought weak sauce in a room full of legit beef eaters.

Coaches/GMs get eaten alive when they draft based on BPA instead of filling holes. It's because most fans are morons.

Look at what Shanahan/Allen did recently. After taking over a horrible team, they drafted Cousins early on, AFTER trading the farm for RG3's pick. Then this past draft they took Jordan Reed despite most ppl thinking TE was a position of strength with Fred Davis coming back.

The media HAMMERED them for both of these picks, much more for Cousins.

So far, Cousins has looked like one of the best backup QBs in the league, behind a starter who is a big injury risk. And Jordan Reed looks like a future elite TE talent while Fred Davis is a regular gameday inactive.

Sure, the 'Skins regressed this year, but thats mainly because they played well above their heads last season. They're building a very solid core of talent and what is the result? Fans are calling for heads to roll because of one bad season after a division-winning 2012.

Like I said, most NFL fans are morons.

 

[KellysHeroes]

why is it so hard to admit that this year has exposed some holes in his GM style?

 

[Kitrick Taylor]

why is it so hard to admit that this year has exposed some holes in his GM style?

Drafting players that can get hurt?

 

[Polka King]

B

 

[sho nuff]

why is it so hard to admit that this year has exposed some holes in his GM style?

I think many years have exposed that.

His failures on the Oline for one.

I don't think this year proves anything more than they ####ed up in thinking Harrell or Coleman would improve enough to be a capable #2.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

notice how he put "genuis" in quotes, so it's attributable to someone else

that's actually smart

 

[KellysHeroes]

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/gnb/draft.htm

why is it so hard to admit that this year has exposed some holes in his GM style?

Drafting players that can get hurt?

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/gnb/draft.htm

going back to The Rodgers' draft, its not really an impressive list. And I know I'll get h@ll for this, but the reason they drafted Rodgers was because 23 other teams passed on him. Wasn't like they made some high risk trade to get him because they knew he going to be a stud, they simply sat back and watched him fall into their laps... but they were good enough to not let him go any farther even though that had Farve for a couple of more years.

 

[CletiusMaximus]

The Packers aren't losing because of their back up QB. They are losing due to terrible play by the defense and special teams. Blame the players, injuries, the head coach or his assistants if you must, but the current losing streak is not on Thompson. Not remotely. This year's Packer team is the best McCarthy has had in 8 years. Truly an amazing job by Thompson putting this team together and keeping it intact over the years.

 

[CletiusMaximus]

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/gnb/draft.htm

why is it so hard to admit that this year has exposed some holes in his GM style?

Drafting players that can get hurt?

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/gnb/draft.htmgoing back to The Rodgers' draft, its not really an impressive list. And I know I'll get h@ll for this, but the reason they drafted Rodgers was because 23 other teams passed on him. Wasn't like they made some high risk trade to get him because they knew he going to be a stud, they simply sat back and watched him fall into their laps... but they were good enough to not let him go any farther even though that had Farve for a couple of more years.

Lol. How many of those teams that passed on Rodgers had Brett Favre as their starting QB? It was a genius pick, one that he paid a massive price for making and for which he'll never really be vindicated, but a bold, massively successful draft pick without question.

 

[Vector]

I could not have picked a better word to misspell. Glad you all had your fun...I deserved it.

Back to the point. How is it being a troll if I point out that the packers are a lower tier team without their superstar QB? The Pats won 11 games when Brady was out. The Bears are doing just fine with McCown (small sample size). If people want to crown Thompson as one of the best GMs, they need to be willing to look a little deeper than the simple fact that his QB is perhaps the best player in the league.

If you want the packers brass to waste millions of dollars on a capable backup, then great. Say goodbye to BJ Raji then, that salary needs to pay the backup QBGive me a break, what elite team doesn't suffer when their star QB goes down? You mention NE. Sure, if you're video taping your opponents practices and you know their defensive calls, you can cheat your way to success. And the bears this year... It's the bears. You want to know why they still suck? Because they makes sure to have a good backup QB. And of course they have to, when cutler can strain his v a g i n a muscle by dropping back to pass, you need a good backup.

Rodgers has missed less games than the average starter IMO. We as packer fans are spoiled rotten when it comes to not needing backup QBs. We haven't seen a backup QB start more than one game in decades. And it shows by the fans reactions

Is this a sub-troll? Or maybe a trolling troll? A troll wrapped within a troll?

eta: A diversionary troll or a tangential troll (ohhh, I like that)

 

[Kitrick Taylor]

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/gnb/draft.htm

why is it so hard to admit that this year has exposed some holes in his GM style?

Drafting players that can get hurt?

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/gnb/draft.htmgoing back to The Rodgers' draft, its not really an impressive list. And I know I'll get h@ll for this, but the reason they drafted Rodgers was because 23 other teams passed on him. Wasn't like they made some high risk trade to get him because they knew he going to be a stud, they simply sat back and watched him fall into their laps... but they were good enough to not let him go any farther even though that had Farve for a couple of more years.

You may want to check those drafts over again.

-dating back to 2009, TT has drafted 44 players. Best I can tell, 40 of them are still in the NFL. The 4 that's are on the street are all 6/7 rounders. If you don't think that's impressive check some other teams.

-from 2006-2009, TT drafted 6 pro bowlers. That list may grow to 7 this year with Jordy Nelson. Most teams are happy to get 2-3 starters per draft. He was drafting 1.5-2 pro bowlers per draft.

-from 2010-2013 There aren't any pro bowlers as of yet. But Randall Cobb, Bryan Bulaga and Morgan Burnett may develop into that level of player. From the 2012 and 2013 classes, Hayward and Lacy seem to have the best chance at this point. Still too early to really say on a lot of those guys though.

 

[fatness]

notice how he put "genuis" in quotes, so it's attributable to someone else

that's actually smart

Genuis move.

 

[Underachievers]

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/gnb/draft.htm

why is it so hard to admit that this year has exposed some holes in his GM style?

Drafting players that can get hurt?

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/gnb/draft.htmgoing back to The Rodgers' draft, its not really an impressive list. And I know I'll get h@ll for this, but the reason they drafted Rodgers was because 23 other teams passed on him. Wasn't like they made some high risk trade to get him because they knew he going to be a stud, they simply sat back and watched him fall into their laps... but they were good enough to not let him go any farther even though that had Farve for a couple of more years.

You may want to check those drafts over again.

-dating back to 2009, TT has drafted 44 players. Best I can tell, 40 of them are still in the NFL. The 4 that's are on the street are all 6/7 rounders. If you don't think that's impressive check some other teams.

-from 2006-2009, TT drafted 6 pro bowlers. That list may grow to 7 this year with Jordy Nelson. Most teams are happy to get 2-3 starters per draft. He was drafting 1.5-2 pro bowlers per draft.

-from 2010-2013 There aren't any pro bowlers as of yet. But Randall Cobb, Bryan Bulaga and Morgan Burnett may develop into that level of player. From the 2012 and 2013 classes, Hayward and Lacy seem to have the best chance at this point. Still too early to really say on a lot of those guys though.

When was the last time that the Pro Bowl counted for anything? Gotten to the point that a player has to almost suck to not make a pro bowl at some point.

 

[KellysHeroes]

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/gnb/draft.htm

why is it so hard to admit that this year has exposed some holes in his GM style?

Drafting players that can get hurt?

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/gnb/draft.htmgoing back to The Rodgers' draft, its not really an impressive list. And I know I'll get h@ll for this, but the reason they drafted Rodgers was because 23 other teams passed on him. Wasn't like they made some high risk trade to get him because they knew he going to be a stud, they simply sat back and watched him fall into their laps... but they were good enough to not let him go any farther even though that had Farve for a couple of more years.

You may want to check those drafts over again.

-dating back to 2009, TT has drafted 44 players. Best I can tell, 40 of them are still in the NFL. The 4 that's are on the street are all 6/7 rounders. If you don't think that's impressive check some other teams.

Most of them are on the Packers since they don't sign Free Agents, they have to keep those players around for depth

-from 2006-2009, TT drafted 6 pro bowlers. That list may grow to 7 this year with Jordy Nelson. Most teams are happy to get 2-3 starters per draft. He was drafting 1.5-2 pro bowlers per draft.

Thats pretty good, but as stated above the Pro Bowl is more of a popularity contest. If you team is successful then you'll have a bunch of players voted to the pro bowl.

-from 2010-2013 There aren't any pro bowlers as of yet. But Randall Cobb, Bryan Bulaga and Morgan Burnett may develop into that level of player. From the 2012 and 2013 classes, Hayward and Lacy seem to have the best chance at this point. Still too early to really say on a lot of those guys though.

I think you have to admit that the past 3 yrs have been a little sub-par. Lacy is looking like a great Pick and Hyde looks to be a steal... but again Lacy fell to them at the end of the 2nd round when he was projected to be a 1st, the other RB needy teams passed on him and the Pack was there to clean up. The O-Line has been a mess for yrs now, you give a QB the biggest contract extension the NFL has ever seen and you don't protect him.

 

[Sabertooth]

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/gnb/draft.htm

why is it so hard to admit that this year has exposed some holes in his GM style?

Drafting players that can get hurt?

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/gnb/draft.htm

going back to The Rodgers' draft, its not really an impressive list. And I know I'll get h@ll for this, but the reason they drafted Rodgers was because 23 other teams passed on him. Wasn't like they made some high risk trade to get him because they knew he going to be a stud, they simply sat back and watched him fall into their laps... but they were good enough to not let him go any farther even though that had Farve for a couple of more years.

I agree with all of this. Outside of the Rodgers and Raji/Matthews drafts, he hasn't done much with those first rounders.

 

[Verminator]

So, you are not impressed with the fact that 50 of the 53 players on the Packers roster (as of the beginning of Nov) had never played for another NFL team?

And any team would struggle if the majority of their top players had suffered injuries.

 

[Verminator]

why is it so hard to admit that this year has exposed some holes in his GM style?

I guess this means that the Broncos wouldn't have missed a beat if they had to sustain multi-week injuries to Peyton Manning, Wes Welker, Julius Thomas, Von Miller, and several other key linemen and defensive backs?

 

[KingPrawn]

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/gnb/draft.htm

why is it so hard to admit that this year has exposed some holes in his GM style?

Drafting players that can get hurt?

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/gnb/draft.htmgoing back to The Rodgers' draft, its not really an impressive list. And I know I'll get h@ll for this, but the reason they drafted Rodgers was because 23 other teams passed on him. Wasn't like they made some high risk trade to get him because they knew he going to be a stud, they simply sat back and watched him fall into their laps... but they were good enough to not let him go any farther even though that had Farve for a couple of more years.

You may want to check those drafts over again.

-dating back to 2009, TT has drafted 44 players. Best I can tell, 40 of them are still in the NFL. The 4 that's are on the street are all 6/7 rounders. If you don't think that's impressive check some other teams.

Most of them are on the Packers since they don't sign Free Agents, they have to keep those players around for depth

-from 2006-2009, TT drafted 6 pro bowlers. That list may grow to 7 this year with Jordy Nelson. Most teams are happy to get 2-3 starters per draft. He was drafting 1.5-2 pro bowlers per draft.

Thats pretty good, but as stated above the Pro Bowl is more of a popularity contest. If you team is successful then you'll have a bunch of players voted to the pro bowl.

-from 2010-2013 There aren't any pro bowlers as of yet. But Randall Cobb, Bryan Bulaga and Morgan Burnett may develop into that level of player. From the 2012 and 2013 classes, Hayward and Lacy seem to have the best chance at this point. Still too early to really say on a lot of those guys though.

I think you have to admit that the past 3 yrs have been a little sub-par. Lacy is looking like a great Pick and Hyde looks to be a steal... but again Lacy fell to them at the end of the 2nd round when he was projected to be a 1st, the other RB needy teams passed on him and the Pack was there to clean up. The O-Line has been a mess for yrs now, you give a QB the biggest contract extension the NFL has ever seen and you don't protect him.

So your saying the team is successful under his watch then?